Just now, fredwiggy said:

But Trump was voted in.

coercion and i have yet to hear from a yank that has said voted for him on hear they all say the did not vote for him

Yes, a dictator can be elected. Many dictators come to power through legitimate elections, subsequently leveraging their position to undermine democratic institutions, suppress opposition, and change rules to consolidate power permanently

. This phenomenon is often termed an "elected dictatorship" or electoral authoritarianism. 

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

But Trump was voted in.

Unfortunately for the rest of the world!

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Instead of getting on America's case, why not target your anger against those who are terrorists, who are killing not only other country's citizens but the genocide of their own?

Again, America has saved the world many times, even if some think we keep losing wars, and if there was another valid way of eliminating terrorists and this type of regime, who set up close to civilian areas because they don't care about them, then it would be tried. Peace has to come at a cost if the other side doesn't fight fair, meaning soldier against soldier. If you were in the military, you should know how things are done, and they come with mistakes and bad decisions.

If only you were quite so forgiving of the mistakes of the people you call terrorists...

Just now, IsmeUno said:

If only you were quite so forgiving of the mistakes of the people you call terrorists...

Why would i forgive terrorists? Intentional genocide isn't a mistake.

4 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Unfortunately for the rest of the world!

In time we'll all see this. I never liked him, but his position can change things, and I'm hoping for the better.

6 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

coercion and i have yet to hear from a yank that has said voted for him on hear they all say the did not vote for him

Yes, a dictator can be elected. Many dictators come to power through legitimate elections, subsequently leveraging their position to undermine democratic institutions, suppress opposition, and change rules to consolidate power permanently

. This phenomenon is often termed an "elected dictatorship" or electoral authoritarianism. 

Trump isn't a dictator. Americans picked him because the other side was weak, and we didn't have any other legitimate choices. Half of my family likes and voted for him and the other half didn't. The daughter and son in law that voted now sees what I've been telling them for years, but are still hoping for the best.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

It doesn't matter what people think about America losing wars as they always pulled out before all the objectives were finished. If it would have continued in all cases, it would have been a lot more lives lost on both sides, mostly the opposite side. Terrorism has a basic definition which I listed. People can change whatever they like, which doesn't make it right.

People who are crazy rarely admit they are, so thinking the terrorists will is ludicrous. They are intentionally targeting civilians, and not in a war situation most times. They are planning to kill innocents every day.

The US wanted to negotiate with them decades ago. Other presidents didn't act. This one, along with others, did.

What country are you from? Did they ever kill civilians?

In the long run, what America does will make things more peaceful. This has been their intentions all along, even if some involved have other motives.

Tell me a bedtime story...

56 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Come on. This is just a leftist talking point. Sure that seems to have been a terrible fk up but you can't just say this without talking about how many civilians, including children, the Islamic fundamentalist regime has killed or sponsored to kill in the name of their interpretation of Allah. Sadly this aspect of reality seems not to be accepted or said by those on here that only post on this subject because of their irrational hatred of Trump.

Come on,you need to do better.

I was having great conversation with FredWiggi,no name calling.

Willing to have an honest debate with you to if you can refrain from using name calling,if not,have a great day.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Why would i forgive terrorists? Intentional genocide isn't a mistake.

you American should know all about intentional genocide you have committed it many times

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

The daughter and son in law that voted now sees what I've been telling them for years, but are still hoping for the best

She got that from you. I'm serious. Doesn't want to face reality.

Straight on to Hanoi, boys! When in doubt, call the Marines.

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Why would i forgive terrorists? Intentional genocide isn't a mistake.

Now apply that to Israel and the USA.

Just now, MikeandDow said:

you American should know all about intentional genocide you have committed it many times

Some Americans killed Indians for land and that was wrong. England did this to many countries as did Rome. All countries killed for their own land. I'm still waiting for anyone to tell a better way to stop terrorist actions without weapons. No one in their right minds would want Iranians killed for protesting for changes. That's where voting comes in and is a legitimate way to make changes. Suppressing and silencing those who talk isn't.

18 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Who told you this? Some seem to believe everything they hear, especially if they dislike Trump. And I do, though think this was a legitimate way to end a terrorist's rule, and eventually get someone in power who doesn't suppress his people and kill them if they protest for changes.

Like Trump and ICE?

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Trump isn't a dictator. Americans picked him because the other side was weak, and we didn't have any other legitimate choices. Half of my family likes and voted for him and the other half didn't. The daughter and son in law that voted now sees what I've been telling them for years, but are still hoping for the best.

Wait till the mid terms when he gets impeached he will not go even when his term is up he will not go sorry to say but by definition trump is a dictator like it or not you yanks have unleashed a madman on the world

1 minute ago, MikeandDow said:

Wait till the mid terms when he gets impeached he will not go even when his term is up he will not go sorry to say but by definition trump is a dictator like it or not you yanks have unleashed a madman on the world

An entirely valid perspective...

Venezuela went to Trump's head. Then the neocons and Zionists, and their Israeli masters, stepped in and stroked his ego some more.

Sir, one weekend is all it'll take. We'll regime-change those danged Airainians, put the Shah back in, then you can go in to a ticker-tape welcome in Tehran and meet with their oil CEOs. And Jared and Steve can started building on the Gulf coastline. Oh, and sir, we've already got bids to start carving your bust on Mt. Rushmore.

And the halfwit fell for it. But the Iranians didn't. Been 2 weeks now. Sure the US is blowing stuff up across Iran, schools, hospitals, police stations, and so forth. But the Iranians are blowing up the meaty stuff, US bases, radar sites, supply infra, most of the weaselly GCC and Israel. And they have yet to get going with their next gen missiles and hypersonics.

Kharg Island? So far the Iranian military has shown it's following a script and knows exactly what it's doing. If you think they aren't prepared for assaults on Kharg then I have a bridge across the Hormuz to sell.

Bottom line, those danged Airainians have Trump by his crinkly balls.

4 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

She got that from you. I'm serious. Doesn't want to face reality.

Yes, I told her all about Trump all along, but she had others telling her otherwise. Otherwise she's just like me, not taking crap from anyone and in a great relationship with a great guy, after i warned her about the other boyfriends she had I knew were no good. Something she eventually found out in time. It's called good advice .

Adding a shot to me not facing reality is again your way of assuming. You know nothing about me besides what I've said here, and always, and i mean always, turned that truth around to make yourself feel better, so stop the BS remarks, as you are looking quite the fool, sticking to the same lame rhetoric. If you want to talk like a normal adult here, stop acting like yourself.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No one in their right minds would want Iranians killed for protesting for changes

I think you should discuss that with some of your fellow Americans, who cheered the killing of Renee Good, Alex Pretti and Julio Sosa-Celis.

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Some Americans killed Indians for land and that was wrong. England did this to many countries as did Rome. All countries killed for their own land. I'm still waiting for anyone to tell a better way to stop terrorist actions without weapons. No one in their right minds would want Iranians killed for protesting for changes. That's where voting comes in and is a legitimate way to make changes. Suppressing and silencing those who talk isn't.

The word is centuries and more that some killed

the treatment of Native Americans by the United States government and settlers is widely characterized by historians as a genocide or a series of genocidal acts occurring over centuries

. Rather than a single event, scholars point to a prolonged, systematic campaign of violence, forced removal, cultural destruction, and massacres.

4 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Wait till the mid terms when he gets impeached he will not go even when his term is up he will not go sorry to say but by definition trump is a dictator like it or not you yanks have unleashed a madman on the world

Trump won't get impeached. Yes, he's a tad out there, but he isn't the one making all the ideas up as he has others along with him, and they all have their reasons for this war.

1 minute ago, MikeandDow said:

The word is centuries and more that some killed

the treatment of Native Americans by the United States government and settlers is widely characterized by historians as a genocide or a series of genocidal acts occurring over centuries

. Rather than a single event, scholars point to a prolonged, systematic campaign of violence, forced removal, cultural destruction, and massacres.

Yes, and most other countries have done much the same things.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

she's just like me, not taking crap from anyone and in a great relationship with a great guy

Are you in a relationship with a great guy? I sincerely hope that she's more intelligent than you.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Trump won't get impeached. Yes, he's a tad out there, but he isn't the one making all the ideas up as he has others along with him, and they all have their reasons for this war.

He's their president. He could say no. He's responsible.

7 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Like Trump and ICE?

And England for one country...............https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes

10 minutes ago, jvs said:

Come on,you need to do better.

I was having great conversation with FredWiggi,no name calling.

Willing to have an honest debate with you to if you can refrain from using name calling,if not,have a great day.

Name calling. Where? Maybe it's you that needs to do better.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

And England for one country...............https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes

Rather than concede, you try to change the subject.

Just now, IsmeUno said:

He's their president. He could say no. He's responsible.

If they didn't agree with what's going on, for reasons no one here fully understands, it wouldn't continue. Take away the hatred for Trump and I'm sure many wouldn't be looking at America the same way. Some believe it's all about oil, which it isn't. Of course some in the government have their agenda to see Iran fall, and some want Iran to have peace. Thinking this is about one thing or another is off, as it has many facets.

5 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Are you in a relationship with a great guy? I sincerely hope that she's more intelligent than you.

She's very smart and she got that from me, as her mother has a very low IQ. I did say stop making childish remarks, as you aren't intelligent enough to have a discussion without using those low self esteem put downs to make yourself feel better. You just can't resist, which does show not only a severe lack of restraint and common sense, but a propensity towards a mental illness, actually thinking you're smarter than someone who has made you out the fool for over a year.

7 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Rather than concede, you try to change the subject.

Why would i concede to someone who's always wrong? You put down the US and I showed you England has it's own share of mistakes through time. You are from England, unless you lied about that too.