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Edited August 20Aug 20 by mistral53

4 minutes ago, mistral53 said:

Isn't the more common phrase 'ladyboy' in the LOS........lol

But I can forgive Denza that slip - it appears they are the first brand to bring in a fully fledged China spec car.......... with LIDAR! and H-NOA (Highway Navigation on Autopilot)

I suspect “rear view “ and “shemale” might be related.

I wonder how big the sensor of the shemale’s rear view is. Should I be jealous?

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

The interesting thing about Gasohol mixes, is they have a lower calorific value, so you have to correct for that in the cost.

Yes I prefer pure petrol but the government taxes it heavily and subsidises E20 now.

All Gasohol 95 and 91 users are especially being fleeced to subsidise dirty diesel and LPG through the Oil Fuel Fund.

3 minutes ago, matchar said:

Yes I prefer pure petrol but the government taxes it heavily and subsidises E20 now.

All Gasohol 95 and 91 users are especially being fleeced to subsidise dirty diesel and LPG through the Oil Fuel Fund.

E20 currently offers the lowest cost per unit of energy, followed closely by the two E10 grades.

• Pure gasoline is the most expensive on an energy basis (roughly 30–33% more costly per MJ than E20).

• E85 looks cheap per litre but loses much of its advantage once lower energy content is factored in; it is only practical in flex-fuel vehicles (FFVs) and typically yields 25–30% worse fuel economy.

On 8/19/2026 at 11:52 AM, mistral53 said:

Yours is the EV geek's perspective, but has very little to do with real world non-tech (or slightly tech impaired wives) - and I completely understand where she is coming from.

Wife did a similar trip up-country with her SL7 AWD, a little more than 1000 km, predictably frustrating for her, compared to her prior simple drive-in, wait for the low wage attendant to fill up, drive off experience on gas stations as plentiful as traffic-lights - compare that to searching for an EV charging station with a free pile on an app etc. To wit - she made a reservation in one place, mistook an EV charger 100m prior to hers, waits for 20 minutes, just to realize her mistake when her reservation expired while she waited at the wrong place - yes, 3 giggling chicks on a road-trip is no excuse, but even I have to admit it could happen to me, too.

EVs and the pathetic charging infrastructure in Thailand are not yet ready for prime time - and don't get me even started on the primitive low rent 120 kW chargers that sag to half if both piles are being used simultaneously.

And that is coming from a guy who bought 2 EVs in the last 15 months.

Seems like you can't use simple planning tools for your trip. Are you also complaining about non existent gas stations somewhere in Isaan or the remote North of Thailand?

10 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

E20 currently offers the lowest cost per unit of energy, followed closely by the two E10 grades.

• Pure gasoline is the most expensive on an energy basis (roughly 30–33% more costly per MJ than E20).

• E85 looks cheap per litre but loses much of its advantage once lower energy content is factored in; it is only practical in flex-fuel vehicles (FFVs) and typically yields 25–30% worse fuel economy.

Exactly, E85 is supposed to be 30% less energy, but compared to E20 it has 20% less energy.

So even if E85 becomes widely available, it will be no different from using E20, about the same cost per KM.

Today E20 has the lowest cost per MJ, or in other words, it delivers the most distance traveled per Baht spent.

Because Diesel powers Thailand's entire supply chain (logistics, pickup trucks, fishing vessels, public buses, etc) any spike in diesel aggressively drives up inflation and grocery prices.

So what government do, they intervene heavily via the Oil Fuel Fund and Excise Tax... so in the end Gasohol users effectively pay higher margins to keep logistics diesel artificially cheap.

I believe it's a reason EV is so popular now in Thailand, Thais are not dumb and they know what the gov is doing with oil prices.

When Thai people compare the day-to-day running costs of a gasoline car vs EV, the gap is massive! unless it's a very good Hybrid car like the Honda ones. (my in-law here gets 26 km/L on his brand new Honda City Hybrid, amazing, cheaper than my own EV car per KM)

Vehicle Type / Powertrain	Energy / Fuel Basis	Real-World Efficiency	Effective Cost per Km
PPV/SUV: Toyota Fortuner 2.8 (Diesel B7)	~฿33.00 / L	~12 km/L	฿2.75 / km
Standard ICE Sedan (Gasohol 95)	~฿38.00 / L	~14 km/L	฿2.71 / km
Standard ICE Sedan (Gasohol E20)	~฿33.00 / L	~13.5 km/L	฿2.44 / km
Hybrid: Honda HR-V e:HEV (Gasohol 95)	~฿38.00 / L	~21 km/L	฿1.81 / km
Hybrid: Honda HR-V e:HEV (Gasohol E20)	~฿33.00 / L	~20 km/L	฿1.65 / km
Pure EV (Public DC Fast Charger)	~฿7.50 / kWh	~6.5 km/kWh	฿1.15 / km
Pure EV (Home Standard Meter)	~฿4.20 / kWh	~6.5 km/kWh	฿0.65 / km
Pure EV (Home Off-Peak TOU Meter)	~฿2.60 / kWh	~6.5 km/kWh	฿0.40 / km

On 8/19/2026 at 11:52 AM, mistral53 said:

and don't get me even started on the primitive low rent 120 kW chargers that sag to half if both piles are being used simultaneously.

When you say "sag to half" are you referring to split power? as when a 120kW charger delivers 60KW to each Gun that is totally normal?

or you mean something else? that goes below that

I dont agres it's that bad as to say it's pathetic, Thailand is still a developing country and in Fact, Thailand is the leader in ASEAN, specially where every shopping mall has chargers, and Thais Looooove shopping mall. 🤣

For more accurate cost comparisons regarding the "EV cost per KWH when charging at home on the PEA/MEA grid (no solar and no TOU)" I would recommend using the "total/complete PEA/MEA home cost per KWH" which includes not just the base rate but also the Ft, meter fee, and VAT because that's what we actually pay versus only the base rate.

Incremental rates will vary just a little for everyone depending on how much they use per month. But for a home that say uses 1,000KWH per month "before they got their EV" but let's say 1,300KWH per month due to EV charging their incremental per KWH rate is going to be Bt4.90/KWH....that's what it is costing per KWH to charge their EV from the PEA/MEA grid.

Example: using the PEA (or MEA) cost calculator which "will" match a person's actual bill to the stang when using the correct calculator tariff selections a person using 1000KWH per month would receive a PEA/MEA electric bill of Bt4,689.44. But add-on another 300KWH to charge the EV your now 1300KWH/month usage will result in a Bt6,160.90 bill. That additional 300KWH/month works out to an incremental bill increase of Bt1,471.46 which is an incremental/marginal cost of Bt4.90/KWH. See snapshots are bottom

PEA and MEA Cost Calculators weblinks below....will match your actual bill to the stang assuming you use the correct tariff selection and your account is in your name vs using some landlord's most likely higher rate. The correct tariff selection for most folks should be 1.1.2 within the calculators...look at the calculators and it will make sense. Regardless of your monthly total home KWH usage as everyone uses a different amount, use the calculators to determine what EV charging will cost you per KWH. It will vary a little for everyone based on how much you use per month and also possibly change every 4 months when the Ft (fuel tariff) is updated by PEA/MEA. The MEA calculator provides more detail/breakout than the PEA calculator in how the final cost is reached but the total amounts come out exactly the same as the government controls both PEA and MEA rates/fees/taxes.

https://eservice.pea.co.th/EstimateBill/index.html#

https://www.mea.or.th/en/our-services/mea-service/e-service/electric-monthly-calculate

Example Snapshots Using PEA Calculator

1000KWH (units) per month of home use....let's say the home does "not" charge an EV.....resulting electric bill per month is Bt4,689.55

Now let's say the same home got an EV with a 100KWH battery, a home wall charger connected to the electric company grid (no solar being used) is used to refill that 100KWH electron tank fully 3 times per month...or said another uses an additional 300KWH per month....that brings home total home use to 1,300KWH/month...resulting in a

bill of B6,160.90. An increase of Bt1,471.46 for an additional 300KWH which represents a Bt4.90/KWH incremental rate.

And of course if you already have an EV but don't really know how many KWH/month your EV consumes just divide your total bill by total KWH used and that's your cost per KWH. Right now, mine is Bt4.8/KWH. Remember each person's incremental rate will vary "a little" based their total usage per month.

14 hours ago, marino28 said:

cuiros to see the price of the updated sealion 7 tomorrow

Just asking, when is the next "motor show" where promotions will be announced ?

3 minutes ago, khunphil said:

Just asking, when is the next "motor show" where promotions will be announced ?

Never mind , found it : The 43rd Thailand International Motor Expo 2026 / 02-13 December 2026

So, basically a person will pay Bt50K more for a SL7 AWD Ultimate with 800V architecture/91.3KWH battery/max 230KW charging compared to the SL7 AWD Performance with 400V architecture/82.5KWH battery/max 150KW charging.

I would have paid the extra Bt50K extra if this newest SL7 AWD Ultimate released today had been available three months ago/back in May 2026 when I bought my SL7 AWD. I would have even waited if I knew the Ultimate was coming out in a few more months but I came to the conclusion back in May an updated SL7 AWD would not arrive Thailand until sometime in 2027 (if even then). This ain't the first or last time I guessed wrong. Oh well.

By the way, I've now had my SL7 AWD Performance for a little over 3 months....zero issues...loving it....and it's getting along fine with my almost 3 year old Atto 3.

Any by the way, the Bt1,299,900 price for the SL7 AWD "Performance" has really been in effect since "at least" May 2026 when I bought mine. Although the BYD/Rever "website" would show a Bt65K higher price of B1,364,900 for the Performance the actual price when going to a dealership was Bt1,299,900 just like the latest-and-greatest pricing. And who knows, maybe if going to a dealership the price will actually be less. Lots of smoke and mirrors happens around pricing when updated models are released.

Snapshot of new pricing for SL7 Performance AWD...pricing that's not really new.

Snapshot from the Rever website 21 Aug at 12:07pm....a few minutes ago...still showing old SL7 Performance price....I expect the website may take a few days to update to the new pricing.

1 minute ago, Pib said:

So, basically a person will pay Bt50K more for a SL7 AWD Ultimate with 800V architecture/91.3KWH battery/max 230KW charging compared to the SL7 AWD Performance with 400V architecture/82.5KWH battery/max 150KW charging.

I would have paid the extra Bt50K extra if this newest SL7 AWD Ultimate released today had been available three months ago/back in May 2026 when I bought my SL7 AWD. I would have even waited if I knew the Ultimate was coming out in a few more months but I came to the conclusion back in May an updated SL7 AWD would not arrive Thailand until sometime in 2027 (if even then). This ain't the first or last time I guessed wrong. Oh well.

By the way, I've now had my SL7 AWD Performance for a little over 3 months....zero issues...loving it....and it's getting along fine with my almost 3 year old Atto 3.

Any by the way, the Bt1,299,900 price for the SL7 AWD "Performance" has really been in effect since "at least" May 2026 when I bought mine. Although the BYD/Rever "website" would show a Bt65K higher price of B1,364,900 for the Performance the actual price when going to a dealership was Bt1,299,900 just like the latest-and-greatest pricing. And who knows, maybe if going to a dealership the price will actually be less. Lots of smoke and mirrors happens around pricing when updated models are released.

Snapshot of new pricing for SL7 Performance AWD...pricing that's not really new.

Snapshot from the Rever website 21 Aug at 12:07pm....a few minutes ago...still showing old SL7 Performance price....I expect the website may take a few days to update to the new pricing.

I the new SL7 800V is priced very, VERY nicely. it will be a hit for sure.

that 50,000 baht is no brainer, pretty sure BYD will eventually stop the 400V AWD, it makes no sense.

I really love the SL7, sat on it last week and dang, that thing is very nice and very functional!

the nice thing about AWD is you get same tires front and back, which makes it very easy to buy and lets you rotate to last 2x longer without ability for rotating.

15 minutes ago, brfsa2 said:

I the new SL7 800V is priced very, VERY nicely. it will be a hit for sure.

that 50,000 baht is no brainer, pretty sure BYD will eventually stop the 400V AWD, it makes no sense.

I really love the SL7, sat on it last week and dang, that thing is very nice and very functional!

the nice thing about AWD is you get same tires front and back, which makes it very easy to buy and lets you rotate to last 2x longer without ability for rotating.

RWD has the same tyres front and back also.

I think you will find that different sizes on front and back, like on the IM5 , are often only on high performance cars of Porsche, BMW and Mercedes ilk.

35 minutes ago, Pib said:

By the way, I've now had my SL7 AWD Performance for a little over 3 months....zero issues...loving it....and it's getting along fine with my almost 3 year old Atto 3.

What kind of real world range are you getting from it.

If possible, please quote for around town and for road trips. And for road trips, do you typically stick to 90 KPH, 100, 110 etc?

2 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

RWD has the same tyres front and back also.

I think you will find that different sizes on front and back, like on the IM5 , are often only on high performance cars of Porsche, BMW and Mercedes ilk.

Are you sure about this?

From what I remember, the BYD SL 7 RWD has staggered tire sizes, also. 255's in the back, I believe.

5 hours ago, brfsa2 said:

"sag to half" are you referring to split power? as when a 120kW charger delivers 60KW

Affirmative - and I stand by my classification: pathetic!

As for the malls - I must confess I thought you ware a male.

49 minutes ago, mistral53 said:

Are you sure about this?

From what I remember, the BYD SL 7 RWD has staggered tire sizes, also. 255's in the back, I believe.

Yes, you are correct, my bad, I didn’t realise that .

I assumed it was same as the Seal.

https://www.reverautomotive.com/model/sealion7/tech-spec

4 hours ago, PakWhan said:

What kind of real world range are you getting from it.

If possible, please quote for around town and for road trips. And for road trips, do you typically stick to 90 KPH, 100, 110 etc?

Take a look at my below earlier posts on 24 and 30 May where I talk my SL7 AWD "real world" mileage.

4 hours ago, PakWhan said:

What kind of real world range are you getting from it.

If possible, please quote for around town and for road trips. And for road trips, do you typically stick to 90 KPH, 100, 110 etc?

it mainly depends on your driving style, but also on the weather, topography, aircon use, and so on.

based on my experience with my sl 7 awd after 30,000 km: i mostly drive in a rather defensive and controlled way, stick to the speed limits, and only drive more sportily from time to time. i’d estimate that around 75% of my driving is below 90 km/h and mainly in urban areas, while about 25% is at speeds above 90 km/h.

according to my byd display, my average consumption is 16.0 kwh/100 km over the total 30,000 km driven ... which is not too bad for a car with 530 hp .... the range in urban areas is close to 500 km ...

Here's my Accumulated Energy Consumption (AEC) of my SL7 AWD and Atto 3. Info/snapshots from the BYD app which mirrors what the car infotainment system reports. AEC reports average consumption since birth of the EV....average energy consumption per 100km over the total mileage accumulated.

SL7 AWD

Atto 3

Edited August 21Aug 21 by Pib

Regarding the BYD "AEC" metric it does "not" reflect total energy consumption by the car...like consumption while idling at a stop light, A/C usage while idling, etc. It pretty much only reflects consumption "while in motion."

Therefore, you can't use it to accurately determine real world mileage. And I expect BYD is not alone in how AEC is reported. But AEC is still a decent "in the ballpark" metric.

See below Google AI question and answer below.

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Question to Google AI:

byd accumulated energy consumption include consumption while parked or A/C usage?

Google AI answer:

BYD's accumulated average energy consumption tracking (shown in kWh/100km on the infotainment screen) primarily calculates power used while the vehicle is in motion, meaning it excludes extended periods of sitting parked with the air conditioning running.

How BYD Handles Energy Tracking

• Driving vs. Stationary: The trip computer calculates average efficiency based strictly on propulsion and active auxiliary loads tied to driving time.

• A/C and Climate Usage: While running the A/C or sitting in traffic draws instant power from the battery (roughly 1 kWh per hour once the cabin is cool), this stationary auxiliary drain is not accurately rolled into your long-term average kWh/100km metric.

• Discrepancies: Owners frequently note that overall battery percentage drops while idling or parked with climate control on, but this consumed energy does not inflate the driving average history on the trip meter.

Then the SL7 RWD with staggered setup last much less, maybe not half, but considerably less than the AWD.

something like 35K on rear and 45K on front on the RWD

vs something like 60-70K on the AWD if.... you rotate every 10-15K, without rotation it will last 40,000 with extreme uneven wear.

3 hours ago, motdaeng said:

according to my byd display, my average consumption is 16.0 kwh/100 km over the total 30,000 km driven ... which is not too bad for a car with 530 hp .... the range in urban areas is close to 500 km ...

That's good, but I think not amazing, The Model Y should give much better when driving relaxed like you do.

I get 15 kWh/100Km driving under 100mk/h on the IM5.

and as low as 13 kwh/100km when under 90KM/h without hard acceleration.

I suspect the SL7 800V will be more efficient for sure.

the IM5 is very snappy when overtaking a car 100km/h you get to 130 on a blink without realizing it. but that doesnt affect the range really, I still get 15 kwh/100km even with occasional 130 over-taking.

we overtake highway pickup trucks or large lorries at least 10 times per trip here... LOL, the love to drive like a snail in the right.

Edited August 21Aug 21 by brfsa2

And here is the IM5 in purple, that color looks stunning! I'd go for it instead of Raphael Beige without hesitation.

https://autolifethailand.tv/official-price-mg-im5-exclusive-edition-ev-bev-morandi-purple/

Edited August 21Aug 21 by brfsa2
added link

37 minutes ago, brfsa2 said:

I'd go for it instead of Raphael Beige without hesitation.

actually after looking at that snow white interior, dang, that will get dirty really fast, ours already dirty with the kids around. we travel a lot with kids, so a good reason to cruise under 110.-115. km/h

The Riddara ECON L is here, at a decent price, cheaper than a Toyota or Ford pickup, https://autolifethailand.tv/official-price-geely-riddara-econ-l-ev-bev-pick-up-thailand-aug2026/

So, between the ECON / ECON L

ECON : 5,260 x 1,900 x 1,865 mm | Wheelbase 3,120 mm

ECON L : 5,500 x 1,900 x 1,865 mm | Wheelbase 3,310 mm

The ECON L is 240 mm longer than the standard model.

Tailgate Size:

ECON

Length x Width x Depth : 1,525 x 1,450 x 540 mm

Tailgate Capacity 1,200 L.

ECON L

Length x Width x Depth : 1,765 x 1,450 x 540 mm

Tailgate Capacity 1,350 L

Another added benefit is that the new geometry prevents excessive rear axle cantilever load.

Range is poor for sure, I think real world still on the 250 or 300 for both the 62 and 72kwh. NDEC range is so wrong! it is more like REAL_RANGE = 1/2 * NDEC_RANGE

if you carry 500 KG on that thing, range will be like 150km at most on the 62kwh battery. it is way too small pack for this heavy pickup. the 72kwh maybe 180km

Edited August 21Aug 21 by brfsa2

Big Motor Sale at Bitec Bangna (21-30 August).

A lot of people (on a Monday afternoon) showing interest in the Xpeng L03.

Denza Z9 GT looks nice but out of my price range.

New Deepal L07E seems a real bargain. It's the same technology as the Mazda e6 but for half the price (869k for the Deepal). The staff told me Deepal has imported only twenty units for showrooms to see the buyer interest.

Lepas L6 is a 1:1 design copy of the Porsche Cayenne. Not my cup of tea.

My personal favourite at the moment is the MG IM5. But I've heard not so good things about the driving experience and suspension compared to it's competitors.

17 hours ago, CLW said:

Denza Z9 GT looks nice but out of my price range.

I have not seen any announcements - for how much is it offered?

1 hour ago, mistral53 said:

I have not seen any announcements - for how much is it offered?

<3M THB
Autolife had a piece on it a while ago - 2 weeks to a month...about.