44 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

Well isn’t this just the best news to wake to…

Anyone know what type of ev it drives in Thailand ?

Some context would be useful

I just returned from a trip to Hanoi in Vietnam.

2 things stood out. In the city centre, EV's were everywhere - possibly 25% or more cars in Hanoi are EV's. This is far higher than I see in Pattaya where I'd estimate the range in the 10-15%-ish range.

In Hanoi, the local brand Vinfast is dominating. Probably 3 out of every 4 EV's are Vinfast. I wonder if they have any plans to export to the world and if so, how competitive they would be vs China?

It occurs that in an era where ASEAN countries are competing for business, having the full stack from design to service is really an advantage as, over time some Vinfast staff would make themselves available to other brands.

The other thing that stood out was that the Geely brand, Lynk and Co were on sale in Vietnam but are not available in Thailand.

1 hour ago, PakWhan said:

I wonder if they have any plans to export to the world and if so, how competitive they would be vs China?

The other thing that stood out was that the Geely brand, Lynk and Co were on sale in Vietnam but are not available in Thailand.

VinFast coming to, but postponed TH dealership openings, but at other markets

https://vinfast.co.th/en/vf5

Geely ...

https://www.thonburineustern.com/

Geely is parent company of Lynk & Co, sold as, or will be, under the Zeekr brand in TH, instead of Lynk branding. Or so I read.

Edited September 6Sep 6 by KhunLA

14 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I think you need to pay attention more, coming to, but postponed TH dealership openings, but at other markets

It's good to know a helpful board member will post AI Slop - I mean AI content when I relapse into not paying attention mode. Thanks.

12 minutes ago, PakWhan said:

It's good to know a helpful board member will post AI Slop - I mean AI content when I relapse into not paying attention mode. Thanks.

Yea, I did an edit ... you had that one open for while, before replying.

Sorry trying to be helpful, I'll try to ignore you post in the future. Have a nice day.

We travel a lot to Vietnam. There is only the VF3 which IMHO would appeal to the Thai market.

Chinese vehicles have competed against each other in their technological development. VinFast has developed in a vacuum and frankly, they are not that good.

4 hours ago, PakWhan said:

It's good to know a helpful board member will post AI Slop - I mean AI content when I relapse into not paying attention mode. Thanks.

I see people treating AI as a reliable source, but in my experience, it mostly produces confident answers that sound right, not answers that are right.

It looks polished and authoritative, but that’s the trap: these models are built to predict the most likely next word, not to verify facts.

That makes them excellent at sounding coherent and believable even when the information can be completely wrong.

On 9/6/2026 at 3:26 PM, LosLobo said:

I see people treating AI as a reliable source, but in my experience, it mostly produces confident answers that sound right, not answers that are right.

It looks polished and authoritative, but that’s the trap: these models are built to predict the most likely next word, not to verify facts.

That makes them excellent at sounding coherent and believable even when the information can be completely wrong.

OpenAI GPT-5.6 Sol had this to say:

That criticism is partly fair, but it’s also becoming rather outdated.

Yes, language models generate language through prediction, and yes, they can confidently produce incorrect information. Nobody sensible should treat an unsupported AI answer as automatically authoritative.

But “it predicts the next word” describes the underlying generation mechanism, not the full capability of a modern AI system. Current systems can search the web, retrieve primary sources, read technical documents, run calculations and code, compare multiple sources, and provide citations that you can independently check.

In fact, for something like EV specifications, battery chemistry, charging standards or Thailand’s electricity mix, I would much rather have AI locate and compare several sources and then verify the important claims myself than rely on one random forum poster confidently recalling something from memory.

The real distinction isn’t AI versus reliable information. It’s verified versus unverified information.

AI can be wrong. So can Google results, journalists, YouTubers, forum posters, manufacturers and, inconveniently, ourselves. The sensible approach is the same in every case: if the claim matters, check the evidence behind it.

Using AI as an unquestionable oracle is foolish. Using it as a research tool and checking its sources can be extremely effective.

In other words - your comment is about as outdated as the trope 'Chines companies just copy Western tech.........'

Fact: You can only get your EV repaired at only one place. I can take my Honda CRV to literally dozens of different repair facilities. I don't have to take it back to Honda. You only have one choice with an EV, taking it back to the manufacturer. Risky. ❓

7 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Fact: You can only get your EV repaired at only one place. I can take my Honda CRV to literally dozens of different repair facilities. I don't have to take it back to Honda. You only have one choice with an EV, taking it back to the manufacturer. Risky. ❓

Fact, buy one with a lifetime warranty, and you'll have to take it to 1 place, and cost virtually nothing .... ever. That if it ever needs repair in your lifetime.

I'm expectin 500+ kms, and the car will outlast me, and probably the wife. Live with you choice ... purchases.

They were, are trained specifically for that brand and kept current with any new proceedures. Why would I trust or take it any place eles, especially since dealers in TH are quite reasonalbly price. My experience anyway ... Y kms MV

Edited September 7Sep 7 by KhunLA

1 hour ago, mistral53 said:

OpenAI GPT-5.6 Sol had this to say:

That criticism is partly fair, but it’s also becoming rather outdated.

Yes, language models generate language through prediction, and yes, they can confidently produce incorrect information. Nobody sensible should treat an unsupported AI answer as automatically authoritative.

But “it predicts the next word” describes the underlying generation mechanism, not the full capability of a modern AI system. Current systems can search the web, retrieve primary sources, read technical documents, run calculations and code, compare multiple sources, and provide citations that you can independently check.

In fact, for something like EV specifications, battery chemistry, charging standards or Thailand’s electricity mix, I would much rather have AI locate and compare several sources and then verify the important claims myself than rely on one random forum poster confidently recalling something from memory.

The real distinction isn’t AI versus reliable information. It’s verified versus unverified information.

AI can be wrong. So can Google results, journalists, YouTubers, forum posters, manufacturers and, inconveniently, ourselves. The sensible approach is the same in every case: if the claim matters, check the evidence behind it.

Using AI as an unquestionable oracle is foolish. Using it as a research tool and checking its sources can be extremely effective.

In other words - your comment is about as outdated as the trope 'Chines companies just copy Western tech.........'

Firstly, using an AI system with a well-known tendency to defend its own position 'to the end' is a poor and illogical way to test my critique. You’re effectively asking the system to mark its own exam paper.

Interesting irony: your AI says, 'if the claim matters, check the evidence behind it', yet you accept its unsupported claim that my criticism is 'becoming rather outdated.' By your own standard, shouldn’t that claim be verified too?

What I find interesting is that most of your AI’s response actually reinforces my point. The conspicuous exception is that unsupported assertion — which then seems to provide the bridge to your oddly specific Chinese-tech analogy.

Edited September 7Sep 7 by LosLobo

3 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Fact: You can only get your EV repaired at only one place. I can take my Honda CRV to literally dozens of different repair facilities. I don't have to take it back to Honda. You only have one choice with an EV, taking it back to the manufacturer. Risky. ❓

Then you can be Happy with your Honda. They're great cars and I still have one.

You don't need to buy an EV, but if you want to buy one, you can get a Neta, so many shops can fix it now. I have two EVs with lifetime warranty, but I'll change it in not more than 10 years anyways.

Si se puede con seguridad! 🤣

You're complaining about AI for your research because you'rr using it wrong, you expect to chit chat with AI and get true answers, that's lame.

You use it in research mode with tools and skills, I can fetch data from multiple sources and the crunch and create results. Claude cowork is nice but claude code and Gemini pro in research mode is awesome.

You gotta pay for sure though.

On 8/29/2026 at 12:28 PM, Pib said:

Today I got around to installing a dashcam in my SL7 AWD. Easy....took about an hour of me taking it slow since it was my first time. I watched the videos below to get smart on how to do the replacement. The camera included the camera and USB box....the USB box that comes from the factory with the SL7 does not have a microSD memory card slot....the box in the kit includes a memory card slot.

For a someone who has done this once before on their second try they could easily do the complete install in around 15 minutes if trying to go as fast as possible. Bottomline installing the the camera and USB box is pretty easy and quick. Once installed, start the car and then do a restart of the infotainment system and the DVD Dashcam app will then load in the Apps men....the app is already installed with the car's firmware/software but doesn't show in the App menu until a camera a dashcam is actually install....when a camera is detected the DashCam app appears.

Snapshot from the Shopee mobile app as of 29Aug2026, 12:04pm.

https://th.shp.ee/hNQ9pcyC

My total price was Bt2,196...took two days for delivery...seller is a Shopee vendor named VKing.

Camera installed.

Short video on how to replace USB box....only your finger tips are needed....the panel comes off pretty easily....pressing the tabs on the USB box to get it to come out of its holder takes some technique but not hard at all.

And here's a full video on how to install the camera and USB box. And there is no need to remove the small plastic piece of camera/rear view mirror cover which allows you to "completely" remove the camera cover as removing that "small piece" could take some effort...it wasn't coming off easy for me so I just left it installed which....the video at around the 2:08 minutes part talks this small piece. As mentioned, I left the small piece on as the camera cover drops low enough without removing the small piece allowing you to easily install the camera. A pair of "sharp nose" scissors will probably be needed to cut away the black tape holding/covering the camera connector and you may need to cut a plastic strap that hold the cabling to allow the cabling to reach/plug into the camera.

On 8/31/2026 at 6:40 PM, Pib said:

Well, unfortunately today I uninstalled the dashcam camera & USB (took about 15 minutes) and returned it for a refund via Shopee....got a full refund to my bank acct within approx 10 minutes of dropping the return package off at J&T/Flash. I had originally paid via PromptPay and that's the way it was refunded. First refund I have had to with Shopee...went smooth as silk......but my Lazada returns have also been smooth as silk.

The reason I retuned the dashcam is on an "intermittent" basis it would stop recording....additionally, sometime the screen would just be black. I noticed this on day 2 after the install. Had to turn off and on the Sealion 7 for the dashcam to work properly. It might work properly for hours and hours OR it might not work from the get-go. Even tried three different microSD memory cards (8, 32, and 64GB...all top quality SanDisk cards brought from SanDisk Official Store on Lazada and all three cards had worked 100% when in smartphones)....trying various memory cards didn't help. I gave up after trying various things today to include the very, very few settings in the DVR app. Nothing helped.

So, removed the camera and USB box and reinstalled the original USB box that came with the car....took about 15 minutes. After putting one of these dashcams in once then subsequent installs/removals is a piece of cake.

Still debating with myself whether I should order another identical dashcam from another Shopee/Lazada vendor because maybe the dashcam was causing the problem OR maybe the dashcam "use" to be fully compatible with the Sealion 7 up until the last Sealion 7 OTA update of 3.2.0 which occurred about 1 to 2 months ago. Or said another way, the BYD DVR app in the infotainment system maybe just can't get along with this particular dashcam all the time.

On 8/31/2026 at 10:00 PM, Pib said:

Any of you SL7 owners got a recommendation from personal experience of a dashcam "that fits into the SL7 camera assembly on the windshield" just like it came from the factory that way and properly integrates with the BYD infotainment system DVR app?

I really don't want to install a separate, stand alone, splices into the electrical system, uses separate software type dashcam. Would like a dashcam that looks like it came installed from the factory.

UPDATE on installing a dashcam in my Sealion 7: The above 29 and 31 Aug posts detailed my effort to install a dashcam....preferably a dashcam that fits into the car's electronics assembly in the top, center of the windshield/right behind the rearview mirror. Basically an OEM factory dashcam which the Sealion 7 does not come equipped with from the factory.....supposedly an optional feature....although I don't think the option is offered in Thailand.

In my 29 Aug post I talked the installation I did of supposedly an OEM factory dashcam I bought off Shopee....I also included several Youtubes of how to the install the dashcam.....not hard at all. HOWEVER, the dashcam would not always operate properly. Like sometimes not automatically record although the BYD DVR app would say recording is occurring but no video was actually being saved. Other times, the DVR app/camera displayed a solid black screen while also saying recording is underway which it really wasn't......and sometimes when recording did indeed occur and save the file for replay the file turned out to be corrupted.

Just a variety of" "intermittent" problems...a dashcam ain't much good if it only works properly "sometimes, most of the time, etc." I estimate it would work properly 70% of the time and the remaining 30% it did "not" work properly (i.e., not actually recording, black screen, corrupted file, etc). And I tried multiple, good quality microSD cards with negative results...a funky microSD was not causing these problems.

When checking/noticing the dashcam was not working properly it required turning off & on the car and/or resetting the infotainment system once or twice to get the dashcam fully working again. But once turning off the car and restarting later on the dashcam "intermittent" problem often returned.

The dashcam and car's DVR app/system simply could not get along...."not fully compatible." So, after 3 days of trying all kinds of things I returned the dashcam for refund thru Shopee...got the immediate/early refund once dropping the return shipment off at Flash.

I then decided to order another identical system but this time off Lazada and a different vendor. All the vendors on Shopee, Lazada, AliExpress, etc., show the exact same aftermarket factory dashcam. I receive the dashcam ordered off Lazada. Although it worked a little bit better, like worked properly 80% of the time and does not work properly the remaining 20%, if a dashcam does not work properly 100% of the time and you have to check each time you start the car to confirm whether it appears to be working properly makes such a dashcam pretty much useless.

Once again I tried a bunch of things over 2 days hoping to discover some secret trick that would make the dashcam and car get along 100% of the time....even tried 2 more SanDisk microSDs I had laying around...the microSDs didn't make anything better...the problem is not microSD related...the problem is just a compatibility problem between the dashcam and the car. Maybe the dashcam works 100% of the time for a Sealion 7 made for the "China market".....maybe the dashcam initially worked for any Sealion 7 worldwide but a vehicle OTA created a compatibility problem since there no way to update the dashcam's firmware, maybe ?????????

So, after 2 days of trying all kinds of things I returned the dashcam for refund thru Lazada....got the immediate/early refund once dropping the return shipment off at Flash. I love it when an early/immediate refund occurs....no need to wait days for the item to arrive back to the vendor/warehouse for a quality check before the refund is issued.

Based on those two failed attempts to get a supposedly factory/OEM aftermarket dashcam to work in the Sealion 7 and after researching dashcams for sale I bought a "70mai A810 Lite dashcam" which is small 4K front camera and 1080HD rear camera. I loving it so far....it's small and was quick & easy to install....only connection to the car is it 5V power adapter that plugs into the cars 12V adapter. And it's using one of the microSD cards I tried in the returned OEM dashcams talked above.

I bought the dashcam at a 70mai store close to me...had them install it also (only took them about 20 minutes to install/run the cables...one cable from the front camera to the rear camera and then one cable from the front camera to the car's 12V outlet.....no electrical "splicing" into the car's wiring....no use of any of the car's software like the BYD DVR app...just a completely separate dashcam system....no possible impact on the car's warranty. The dashcam comes with a 2 year warranty. The dashcam uses a 70mai mobile app so you can interface/connect to the dashcam to view/download/manage recordings, snapshots, change dashcam settings, update firmware (I did a dashcam update today), etc....the app works really well.

And right now during the Lazada and Shopee 9.9 sale the 70mai "official store" on both ecommerce platforms have some really good discounts on various 70mai dashcams although when bought off Lazada/Shopee only a 1 year warranty is provided.

Anyway, I now have a dashcam installed in my SL7....front and rear cameras....a dashcam that works 100% of the time...I can now record idiots & A-holes driving in front and behind me!!!!!😁

17 hours ago, Pib said:

...

I bought the dashcam at a 70mai store close to me...had them install it also (only took them about 20 minutes to install/run the cables...one cable from the front camera to the rear camera and then one cable from the front camera to the car's 12V outlet.....no electrical "splicing" into the car's wiring....no use of any of the car's software like the BYD DVR app...just a completely separate dashcam system....no possible impact on the car's warranty. ...

i would have preferred an integrated dashcam solution like the one you tried to install, but i couldn’t find one that really worked properly (2025/02).

so i installed a 70mai a510 with a front and a rear cameras, powered through the 12v outlet. i also didn’t want to mess with the car’s electronics, as i was worried it could potentially cause warranty issues. so far, i’m quite happy with this setup ... 😄

I really didn't have a clue about various dashcam brands up until about a week ago when I started doing some serious research (i.e., googling and Youtubing) on various dashcam brands, dashcam specifications, etc. My research lead me to the "70mai" dashcam brand which is sold in many countries...including western countries. YouTube reviews of 70mai products are universally thumbs-up reviews. And fortunately for me I live within 5 minutes of a 70mai store here in Bangkok and could go get an up-close look, touch, smell, etc., of the various 70mai models. Lots of 70mai stores and partner stores around Thailand if a person wants to go look at 70mai dashcams. OR, buy 70mai camera from Lazada or Shopee online stores---I would recommend you use their Lazada/Shopee "official" stores....got some really good deals during the ongoing Lazada/Shopee 9.9 sale.

70mai website show location you can buy/have installed.

https://www.70mai.co.th/pages/store-location

70max official store on Lazada

https://s.lazada.co.th/s.Zj51gl?c=x

70mai official store on Shopee

https://th.shp.ee/BAiy3fqb

Edited September 10Sep 10 by Pib

We have 70mai too, great cameras.

Coming up to 3 years with my BYD Seal AWD Performance and time to consider some new tyres

The BYD Seal AWD Performance is not a "sensible" car and I don't drive it sensibly 🤫

I am not looking for an Eco tyres as my car is powered for free by my local nuclear fusion reactor

I am not looking for quiet tyres as my 2 year old's favourite track has to be played at max volume Imagine Dragons - Thunder

EV specific tyres are still quiet rare and expensive compared to a sport tyre

Any thoughts?

8 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

Coming up to 3 years with my BYD Seal AWD Performance and time to consider some new tyres

The BYD Seal AWD Performance is not a "sensible" car and I don't drive it sensibly 🤫

I am not looking for an Eco tyres as my car is powered for free by my local nuclear fusion reactor

I am not looking for quiet tyres as my 2 year old's favourite track has to be played at max volume Imagine Dragons - Thunder

EV specific tyres are still quiet rare and expensive compared to a sport tyre

Any thoughts?

My recommendation is go up in width one size. Use AI to get the best advice but Michelins are superb.

33 minutes ago, Pib said:

I really didn't have a clue about various dashcam brands up until about a week ago when I started doing some serious research (i.e., googling and Youtubing) on various dashcam brands, dashcam specifications, etc. My research lead me to the "70mai" dashcam brand which is sold in many countries...including western countries. YouTube reviews of 70mai products are universally thumbs-up reviews. And fortunately for me I live within 5 minutes of a 70mai store here in Bangkok and could go get an up-close look, touch, smell, etc., of the various 70mai models. Lots of 70mai stores and partner stores around Thailand if a person wants to go look at 70mai dashcams. OR, buy 70mai camera from Lazada or Shopee online stores---I would recommend you use their Lazada/Shopee "official" stores....got some really good deals during the ongoing Lazada/Shopee 9.9 sale.

I installed the the BYD camera but it's only front facing, always wanted a rear camera and the Neo looks good

26 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

Coming up to 3 years with my BYD Seal AWD Performance and time to consider some new tyres

Can I ask what your odometer reading is?

And are you changing tyres because they're worn and need changing or because 3 years is old enough?

4 minutes ago, EeeVee said:

Can I ask what your odometer reading is?

And are you changing tyres because they're worn and need changing or because 3 years is old enough?

early 30's from memory, although we are doing more driving now that my son is enrolled in a private school resulting in a 60km/day just for the school run.

I do chuck the car about quite a bit and the tyres are looking a bit scrubbed but I also wanted to see if sports tyres improved the handling any.

1 hour ago, Bandersnatch said:

early 30's from memory, although we are doing more driving now that my son is enrolled in a private school resulting in a 60km/day just for the school run.

I do chuck the car about quite a bit and the tyres are looking a bit scrubbed but I also wanted to see if sports tyres improved the handling any.

I think the problem is the vehicle weight. Not driving style.

It weighs about 2600 kgs which is more than a Ford Ranger Raptor pickup which cannot be any way described as "chuckable". Also the Seal is about the same size as a Camry but 500 kgs heavier. No one would describe a Camry as "chuckable".

Looks like you'll only get 30,000kms out of those new Michelins. Is there a dedicated BYD/Seal forum as there is for say MG/MG4

5 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

I installed the the BYD camera but it's only front facing, always wanted a rear camera and the Neo looks good

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5 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

I installed the the BYD camera but it's only front facing, always wanted a rear camera and the Neo looks good

Yes...thanks. I viewed your Youtube a year or so ago about installing the camera in your Seal...a very good video. I noticed in the Youtube discussion/comments area you included a link to the Lazada vendor you apparently used and the vendor's advertisement made a note that for a Sealion 7 the dashcam would not work unless having OTA Firmware version FW2412/FW 2503 (Dec 2024/Mar 2025). See snapshot at bottom.

I also saw similar comments (around a year old) in other forums like Facebook and Reddit of people having the exact same problems as me and how OTA firmware version "of at least" FW2412 was needed for the SL7. https://www.reddit.com/r/BYD/comments/1n7a4dx/sealion_7_oem_camera_recording_issue/

Now my SL7 is running OTA firmware version FW2603 (Mar 2026)....I think it would be normal for a person to assume that any firmware version later than FY2412 would also be fully compatible; HOWEVER, that could be a faulty assumption as each firmware/software update brings changes....usually good changes but sometimes changes that mess things up that were working perfectly fine before.

After trying two dashcam kits for the SL7...one bought from a Lazada vendor and another from a Shopee vendor and both kits not working in a fully compatible way I've come to the conclusion the compatibility issue is the current SL7 OTA firmware and dashcam's firmware no longer get along with each other all the time....no longer fully compatible which causes problems.

It also made me think back to May 2026 when I was buying my SL7 and how the BYD saleslady sent me a Shopee link to the dashcam that was supposedly OEM compatible and the BYD dealership would install it for Bt300 labor...made it sound like it something they do all the time. BUT the very next day the saleslady called my Thai wife to say "don't buy the item...cancel the order if already ordered." When asked why such a change of mind, the saleslady implied to the wife installing it may violate the warranty and the dealership no longer did such installs.

That explanation sounded a little fishy at the time and I now think the real reason might have been the dealership had stopped doing the dashcam installs because of compatibility problem....maybe customers ordering the dashcam, the dealership installing it, but then the customer bringing the SL7 back saying the dashcam had problems such as not recording all the time, black screen, vehicle restarts/resets to get the dashcam working again for a short while, etc.....just all the problems I experienced with my two dashcam installs....one from a Lazada vender and one for the Shopee vendor recommended by the BYD saleslady.

Oh well, that's all water under the bridge now since my 70mai dashcam is working like a charm and I got full, immediate/early refunds for my Shopee and Lazada dashcam orders. But part of me still wishes the 3rd party OEM factory dashcam had worked with my SL7.

Snapshot from Vendor's Ad....notice the comments about SL7 firmware version compatibility

Edited September 10Sep 10 by Pib

Will surely increase EV prices, especially imported EVs.

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19 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

I think the problem is the vehicle weight. Not driving style.

It weighs about 2600 kgs which is more than a Ford Ranger Raptor pickup which cannot be any way described as "chuckable". Also the Seal is about the same size as a Camry but 500 kgs heavier. No one would describe a Camry as "chuckable".

Looks like you'll only get 30,000kms out of those new Michelins. Is there a dedicated BYD/Seal forum as there is for say MG/MG4

The Seal is heavy, but it’s center of gravity is exceptionally low and it is indeed very chuckable

I occasionally did tricks in mine like power sliding and hanging the tail out with a quick blip on the throttle. BYD describe it as a sports saloon and suspension, weight distribution and power distribution tuned accordingly.

The most important things that make a car chuckable are the center of gravity and weight distribution.

Some Google AI responses as to why the Sealion 7 and other BYD models do not always come with a built-in factory dashcam. Expect Google AI would have given a similar response for some other brands besides just BYD. Now the built-in factory dashcam that came with my 2023 Atto 3 has never had any problems (knock on wood--my head)....always records properly, no black screens, no infotainment system resets required, just a 100% reliable built-in factory dashcam.

Anyway, below is what Google AI has to say about a couple of questions I posed to it. And you'll notice the Google AI responses use Reddit social media posts as source references....such social media references can often be excellent while other times can be clueless....oh well, that's the information world we now live in.

22 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

I think the problem is the vehicle weight. Not driving style.

It weighs about 2600 kgs which is more than a Ford Ranger Raptor pickup which cannot be any way described as "chuckable". Also the Seal is about the same size as a Camry but 500 kgs heavier. No one would describe a Camry as "chuckable".

You cannot compare gross weight for a Seal to the Kerb weight of other cars: The Gross Vehicle Mass (GVM) for the Ford Ranger Raptor is 3,130 kg

You definitely can't compare a BYD Seal AWD performance with either a Raptor or a Camry unless you have actually driven one

The Seal has:

523 bhp and 670 Nm of torque

0-100km/h in 3.8 seconds without spinning wheels 

perfect 50:50 weight distribution

extremely low center of gravity

drag coefficient of just 0.219 Cd

regenerative breaking means not having to use the brake pedal which means that going into a corner the car stays completely flat

adaptive suspension

the battery pack is a structural component, increasing torsional stiffness and so increasing handling limits

Torque vectoring which sends power to which wheel needs it most

it only has one gear  

very long wheel base

5 minutes ago, Pib said:

Some Google AI responses as to why the Sealion 7 and other BYD models do not always come with a built-in factory dashcam. Expect Google AI would have given a similar response for some other brands besides just BYD. Now the built-in factory dashcam that came with my 2023 Atto 3 has never had any problems (knock on wood--my head)....always records properly, no black screens, no infotainment system resets required, just a 100% reliable built-in factory dashcam.

Anyway, below is what Google AI has to say about a couple of questions I posed to it. And you'll notice the Google AI responses use Reddit social media posts as source references....such social media references can often be excellent while other times can be clueless....oh well, that's the information world we now live in.

That's super lame from BYD to remove both the camera, harness and SD card slot. Lidar removal is understandable, but cameras that cost almost nothing is just ridiculous.

Even the 2021 fortuner has built-in dual camera, one for the front and one at the back.

IM5 has built-in both front and back and it's great!

And just for those thinking about buying an BYD EV I don't want anyone to get the idea BYD vehicle don't come with a factory camera system as it does; however, this camera system is designed for and deeply integrated with the safety features & systems of the EV. These cameras are located on the front and rear bumper areas, under the side view mirrors, and for some models inside the cabin. But these external camera are not suitable (i.e., view-wise) for what a person generally wants a dashcam for which is "normal" views of an accident, being able to take a snapshot of a license plate, recording, etc.

Edited September 11Sep 11 by Pib