Tiger Boxer

[Bard]

I missing something, did the Thai Royal Police not switched in 2007 from individual purchase to centralized purchase for police motorcycles? And do police stations around the country now not get a yearly budget to keep the motorcycles running?

I was told that the handguns they carry are private property, and some cost easily the same as a new motorcycle...

It depends what Police we're talking about here.

The highway police or the ones who is allowed to nail you for speeding has centralized bike buy, and guess what bikes they bought in for 2009, Yamaha FJR 1300 so unless you're on something really insane they'll take you.

The constables are not given bikes, as they are not required to have one to "walk around patrolling there area" So they buy there own and are granted police signs on them.

Same goes for handguns, if they're in the SWAT team or in the Paramilitary force they are issued with weapons, the normal policeman is not required to carry one hence they buy themselves as they are allowed to carry them.

Yes this is expensive, and not required, so it's more a peer pressure for them to own one, and pay it from there meager salaries is impossible hence the problem with corruption.

Cheers Bard

[Bard]

I learned one thing from Thai men , They aren't bikers at all.

Ahem, Charlie, it seems you are painting our hosts with a pretty broad brush there... There are plenty of REAL Thai bikers. If you don't believe it go spend a day at a race track or check out the Thai stunters that show up at most bike weeks or go on a Yamaha or Kawasaki sponsored ride- some of these Thai guys are amazing bikers!

I'm going to agree with Kano here. While it's wrong to say there are NO Thai men who actually know about really biking (the prevelance of those gawd awful skinny tyres is proof enough), the minority is simply that, an extreme minority. Can you fault them for being more interested in bling-bling to get the chicks? Not if they're under say 25. However, it seems systematic of the Thai male to continue in this thought process, long after what most cultures would have forced an abandonment of it.

If we look at Thai male big bikers I'd say they're very good bikers with a good attitude for riding, safety and are very knowledgeable about bikes. Very very keen bikers indeed.

If we look at the small bikers less than 250cc I'd agree they're not really on top of it, this is also the biggest group so it's easy to generalize which is wrong.

I donno the % all I know is in Rayong city with what maybe 100k people there is right now about 50 Thai bigbikers I know of, probably the number is close to double of that so that is say 1% of the inhabitants, of the rest everyone has a bike even if they have a car, so the number is not that bad, plus the bigbikers are very actively involved in spreading there knowledge, and where I live we have had a increase in Thai BigBikers all the time. Hail to them and all the work they put in to spread knowledge, I meet up with them as often as I can, havin a beer in the clubhouse in Rayong just talking bike with my Thai buddies is great. Love it.

Cheers Bard

Cheers Bard

[Alter]

Alter. first of all if you read my post again you will see that "WHAT WAS INTERESTING IS THAT NO ONE WANTED TO TEST RIDE IT" meant that no one i spoke to at the KK show was interested in riding the Tiger. SO it's not a lie. you need to read the thread a bit clearer. as for telling you about a good 250, that's up to you to find.

I merely stated my opinions about the Tiger 250. it sounds like the Tiger250 you rode was the same red one i rode. interesting as that only had 168 km on the clock when i got it. i rode over 1300km's on varied roads so if you feel that my feed back isn't detailed enough then feel free to ask some more questions. BUT PLEASE READ THE POST CORRECTLY. as being called a liar does make me a little annoyed.

On your question about the other 400cc and up very expensive bikes. there is a huge difference between 'proper' Big Bikes and the Tiger 250. The Tiger is derived from a 20 year old Cagiva 125 design. That's why it is so small, but well suited to the Asian market. It is a low tech design made in Thailand. So i ask you WHY is it more expensive than a high tech Honda Cbr150....................

'For instance, I am sure that Tiger could improve the annoying trembling

of the front part and the seat comfort too.'

This is from your last post. Tiger have known about all the problems on the demonstrator for a long time but still nothing is done. it is not even the same mechanicals as the bikes that they currently sell( the exhaust and clocks bracket is different to name a few things)

In conclusion i would like to see Tiger prosper. I would like to see new and better bikes become available. but they have a lot of work ahead of them before that happens. As i stated the The Tiger 250 is not a bad bike. but it is let down by some bad detailing and the price is to high, for what you get. which is a reasonable but small, low tech air/oil cooled 232cc motorcycle.

Allan

Hi Thaicbr...

First of all I APOLOGIZE for calling you a lier.

Honestly, I do.

Secondly....I am not sure if I rode the same Tiger 250 that you did, for the one I got had about 5000km's on its

stand before I rooe my extra 1200km's.

And further....I am not sure I understand you when you say:

"....Tiger have known about all the problems on the demonstrator for a long time but still nothing is done. it is not even the same mechanicals as the bikes that they currently sell????????????????( the exhaust and clocks bracket is different to name a few things)"

Can you please say that with different words because, although I am not english native, my understanding/reading of english is

somewhat good.

Waiting for your reply.

Best, Frank

[Alter]

hi alter, I'm a bit surprised to read

(being on 2nd gear) would not pick up speed and switched off in the middle of the road. . I should rather say that the boxer is very torquey.

I never experienced these problems.In the contrary many thai boys try to take me on with their modified sonics etc. to no avail I all let them easily behind me braking off .On my way to um Phang many tried to follow me reckon me 80 kg GF 50 kg and 20 kg topcase my BOXER was the victor off the day only one bike past me (A ducati 600 cc not sure) not a shame he . I'm not a speed demon but I have a sporty riding style

Many of you are saying old TECHNOLOGY ... WHY....?

How many bikes are still produced ( Suzuki , Yamaha , Honda etc ) in the 250 cc range with carbu ......

Alter what fuel were you using ? E20? Gasohol 91 ? Tiger told me E20 is not that good for the engines power ....

MODIFICATIONS.

Tiger already redesigned the brackets and rubbers on the fairing and the cockpit.The vibrations is taken away there already .Let the engine thumping i like it.

The topcase holder is redesigned now the prototype is on my bike and holds a 20 kg topcase easily.

A larger windscreen for expats is available now .Again prototype is on my bike . is ready for production now.

TIGER is really listening to me , but i would like some of you to help me with that. Allan do me a favor send your report to PARIYA.

And others who had already a test ride make a constructive report and mail it to PARIYA. he is a nice guy to work with

Charlie

Charlie says:

(being on 2nd gear) would not pick up speed and switched off in the middle of the road. . I should rather say that the boxer is very torquey.

Alter:

Ok, let's put it like this...

I was not alone on the bike, so the kilo's did matter most of the time when starting off from a stand-still position.

Plus, I believe that the bike I was testing had been used by a few many that made a bit of a mess of it.

;-)

Best,

Alter

[Richard-BKK]

Lucky I not scared easy, but I serious thing a Yamaha XJR1300 will do better then a Toyota Corona which stopped me after following me for nearly 1 hour. What was mainly because I had to slowdown because I entered a more populated area. I seriously think that a Yamaha XJR1300 do any better then what the Highway Petrol now drive. If I pass at 200km/h as I did the last time... You serious believe that a 103 horsepower / 224 kilo (without extra police equipment of another 50 kilo) would be able to get up to speed before I move out of range of his vision?

Lucky they only bought a small amount .... It is a joke ... Even if a current bike like a Kawasaki ER6N rides by at a speed of 170km/h the police bike has a very small window of interception ...

This is not comparable why the Metropolitan Bangkok police selected the Tiger Boxer 200, which was able to overtake the "fastest" production motorcycle from standstill within less then a kilometer.

[Alter]

Lucky I not scared easy, but I serious thing a Yamaha XJR1300 will do better then a Toyota Corona which stopped me after following me for nearly 1 hour. What was mainly because I had to slowdown because I entered a more populated area. I seriously think that a Yamaha XJR1300 do any better then what the Highway Petrol now drive. If I pass at 200km/h as I did the last time... You serious believe that a 103 horsepower / 224 kilo (without extra police equipment of another 50 kilo) would be able to get up to speed before I move out of range of his vision?

Lucky they only bought a small amount .... It is a joke ... Even if a current bike like a Kawasaki ER6N rides by at a speed of 170km/h the police bike has a very small window of interception ...

This is not comparable why the Metropolitan Bangkok police selected the Tiger Boxer 200, which was able to overtake the "fastest" production motorcycle from standstill within less then a kilometer.

I am sorry to say Richard that I don't quite understand what you write.

I am getting confused.

No bad feelings though.

Be well.

Alter

[kano85]

hi to all of you,

First i would like to say i dont have to paint on any host here i had a few collisions already but i only like the truth and i hate wanke_rs .

Second anyone can say about the boxer what they want but one thing is for sure its torquey and fast. Even with a pillion driver the bike is still going strong. I had a discussion with an 80 kg policeman saying the boxer is slow and bad . I took him on my bike and broke off the line my style (im only an average biker ) and he squeezed his legs around me instantly. He said wow what a difference with the police bike . I said where is yours (200 cc police bike )same story .pffffff Thais have no idea sry to say that cause i love thai people ) not even talking about the rest whatever.

Third many accusing TIGER to be old Technology why ? i dont understand . aren't DUCATI and BMW maybe other brands still using air/oil cooler still the best engines i had these myself before . i STILL OWN a BMW 1957 500 cc with 300 k yes you read well 300 k on the clock and still going strong when. If you want to see picture as evidence i can post it .

awaiting some reactions,

Charlie

[Alter]

hi to all of you,

First i would like to say i dont have to paint on any host here i had a few collisions already but i only like the truth and i hate wanke_rs .

Second anyone can say about the boxer what they want but one thing is for sure its torquey and fast. Even with a pillion driver the bike is still going strong. I had a discussion with an 80 kg policeman saying the boxer is slow and bad . I took him on my bike and broke off the line my style (im only an average biker ) and he squeezed his legs around me instantly. He said wow what a difference with the police bike . I said where is yours (200 cc police bike )same story .pffffff Thais have no idea sry to say that cause i love thai people ) not even talking about the rest whatever.

Third many accusing TIGER to be old Technology why ? i dont understand . aren't DUCATI and BMW maybe other brands still using air/oil cooler still the best engines i had these myself before . i STILL OWN a BMW 1957 500 cc with 300 k yes you read well 300 k on the clock and still going strong when. If you want to see picture as evidence i can post it .

awaiting some reactions,

Charlie

Hello there Charlie.....

I think you are very lucky.

Lucky in that you must have had from Tiger the best model of Boxer that they ever manufactured.

I am sure that if you buy a brandnew one and yo treat "her" well and use the right gasoline, the Boxer can do wonders.

I am sure that this is the best 72.000,- THB value bike that one can get in this Country.

Of course I would buy a Suzuki 600GRX or a Yamaha Fazer if I could, but why complaining when

we can get enough thrills with much...far much less money that a Tiger Boxer 250RS can offer?

By the way... what bike have you had before you switched to the Boxer?

Best,

Alter

[kano85]

Hi Alter

I never compared a boxer to a 600 or more this should be very stupid from me of course these bikes are better . Look at my early posts here i said once a boxer is not like my BMW 1150 cc GS . 1000000 bht compared too 72 K (what do you expect)

What i am saying is OLD TECHNOLOGY some big brands are still using it too or not.

But for 72 k you cant buy a better bike ...That.s what i'm saying. B4 i bought the boxer i searched long time for a good 2nd hand SR 400 cc with registration i havent found one. Old rubbish(10-15 yrs old) with a registration more than 100 k come on ....????????? a + 10 yrs old transalp with registration 115 k and some other models too are very expensive here, and I'm so poor

Pls Tell me which better sporty cruiser 250 cc bike can you bike in the same category ???????????? Or maybe i m too stupid . one more time the boxers engine is very torquey and reliable.i have 10000 trouble free km on the clock.

Trust me if the problems should occur I will post it too

Today im at the factory for a 10 k check up. I asked TIGER for a smart cx 135 cc to test next month in Chiang Mai . Within a blink of an eye yes of course .which brand is giving the same service....... Is someone doesn't like the boxer after testing it it's ok for me . Anyone's choice ....

One thing i forgot. Before i ordered my Boxer i saw a very beautiful new zongshen 125 - 50 im not sure about the 50 125 cc cruiser what a nice finishing for a Chinese bike. test ride ....... nope never heard of it..... good marketing .......????????

[kano85]

by the way , I know its off topic, I have a Belgian friend he doesn't like the boxer he is looking for a YAMAHA SR 400 with disc brakes and registration for a bout 80 - 90 k.

If you know anything contact me [email protected]

I told him 2 months good luck m8 ............

Charlie

[tomartoh]

Hello Charlie

Hope you are getting the autocross for testing.

i saw a couple in a bike shop in CM but didnt have time to look them over.

Tiger dont have any info on the internet about them

Here in chiang khong i have seen a number of hondas etc converted to off road use.

There must be a market for a cheap off road bike,

[thaicbr]

Ok guys. The following is an E-mail i received from Pariya at Tiger.

Dear Allan

Thanks again for the comments. I informed my boss about your report, and he want me to ask you to advise us how to improve the seat. Or if you have any suggestion, we are very welcomed. Thanks again.

Best Regards,

Pariya

So any one who has ridden the bike, give me your ideas about how to improve the seat. I have a few ideas but would like your feedback before i post my ideas.

Thanks Allan

Edited February 28, 2009 by thaicbr

[tomartoh]

Alan.

It would be a shame to miss the opportunity whilst you are at it, to see if they can make a round headlight available and drop the price a bit

[Alter]

Hi Alter

I never compared a boxer to a 600 or more this should be very stupid from me of course these bikes are better . Look at my early posts here i said once a boxer is not like my BMW 1150 cc GS . 1000000 bht compared too 72 K (what do you expect)

What i am saying is OLD TECHNOLOGY some big brands are still using it too or not.

But for 72 k you cant buy a better bike ...That.s what i'm saying. B4 i bought the boxer i searched long time for a good 2nd hand SR 400 cc with registration i havent found one. Old rubbish(10-15 yrs old) with a registration more than 100 k come on ....????????? a + 10 yrs old transalp with registration 115 k and some other models too are very expensive here, and I'm so poor

Pls Tell me which better sporty cruiser 250 cc bike can you bike in the same category ???????????? Or maybe i m too stupid . one more time the boxers engine is very torquey and reliable.i have 10000 trouble free km on the clock.

Trust me if the problems should occur I will post it too

Today im at the factory for a 10 k check up. I asked TIGER for a smart cx 135 cc to test next month in Chiang Mai . Within a blink of an eye yes of course .which brand is giving the same service....... Is someone doesn't like the boxer after testing it it's ok for me . Anyone's choice ....

One thing i forgot. Before i ordered my Boxer i saw a very beautiful new zongshen 125 - 50 im not sure about the 50 125 cc cruiser what a nice finishing for a Chinese bike. test ride ....... nope never heard of it..... good marketing .......????????

To Charlie.....

I am sure that this is the best 72.000,- THB value bike that one can get in this Country.

Of course I would buy a Suzuki 600GRX or a Yamaha Fazer if I could, but why complaining when

we can get enough thrills with much...far much less money that a Tiger Boxer 250RS can offer?

Charlie, what I am saying is that I AM MORE THAN SATISFIED WITH THE BOXER.

I have the feeling that you misinterpreted my words.

;-)

So, let's go TIGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alter

[kano85]

maybe yeah im stupid.

I'm happy to read the reply from Pariya to allan. That proofes again what im saying here for 2 months already.nice guy nice company . period

c u all

Charlie

[kano85]

TIGER BOXER 125 Rs READY FOR SHIPMENT TO JAPAN

First

Yesterday I was at the factory and i was surprised again. Tiger was preparing their first shipment to JAPAN.

Tiger checked everything on my bike with 10000 trouble fee km on the clock. I have to be back on the 16 th March. The third generation fairing and cockpit brackets will be ready.

I was surprised to see the TIGER boxer 125 cc same bike as mine but only 125 cc i had a test ride on it and it was ok. A little less torque but still impressive for a 125 cc . WELL DONE TIGER

TIGER is taking part on a JAPANESE MOTORSHOW probably together with their sole agent.I'm sure more orders will follow. Too conclude TIGER is taking slowly but steadily an ever growing chunk out of the motorcycle market .

SECOND

I have been speaking to the engineer from TIGER he showed me the first test results from the 250 cc on E85. he told me this year their will be a kit available to ride the tiger on E85 which costs only around 15 baht. I dont know if E85 is already available in Thailand.

THIRD

I tested the tiger smart 135 cx it is a well balanced torquey bike going strong in any field. There is a dirt track at the back of the Tiger factory and i rode it there well i can say it surprised me. smooth absorbers and the high torque is usefull. The frame is very firm and stable.The extra bar in the middle helps it a lot.

Nice reception and service from TIGER again. I thin I become part of their furniture

thats all folks

Charlie

[HangDongRider]

http://www.boxermc.info/mediagallery/media...2736376&p=1

Hi,

on the boxermc I found this pic. Does anybody knows the 2nd bike in the lane. Looks like a enduro, but it´s not a CX. Seems like a boxer modified or what? Maybe an unknown model?

[Richard-BKK]

The second motorcycle from the left is a Tiger Matrix 115E (113.5cc), this model is not available in Thailand..

Edited March 1, 2009 by Richard-BKK

[HangDongRider]

Thx Richard.

The Matrix looks good. With the 135cc engine it must be better than the CX. The fork looks much stronger. It seems to be a 4point fixed, not the 2point scooter fork.

[Richard-BKK]

The Tiger Matrix 115E and the Tiger CX135 series share the same front forks...

[HangDongRider]

http://www.boxermc.info/mediagallery/media...amp;i=0&p=0

Does not. maipenrai.

The fork is 4point fixed.

[HangDongRider]

http://www.boxermc.info/mediagallery/media...amp;i=0&p=0

Does not. maipenrai.

The fork is 4point fixed.

[Richard-BKK]

Aha I now see what you mean. You mean the the difference of Triple Clamp or also called the Yoke.

[kano85]

Hi handongrider,

I've tried the Smart 135 CX this is a very strong bike i jumped with it on the dirt track very firm bike. Than the thai test rider made a couple of rounds. i was amazed what he did with that bike a few jumps taking curves unbelievable for a little bike like the smart (with knob tires of course)

I think you can get the matrix they are all produced here in BKK.I saw them Saturday unfortunately i didn't take any pics . If i had known i would have taken some for your perusal.

there were lots of these bikes together with the Bulldog all for the philippines

I only don't know if you can register them here

Charlie

[HangDongRider]

Aha I now see what you mean. You mean the the difference of Triple Clamp or also called the Yoke.

Sorry my stupid try to explain it in english

[dave_boo]

Aha I now see what you mean. You mean the the difference of Triple Clamp or also called the Yoke.

Sorry my stupid try to explain it in english

There's some confusion here;  what Richard is talking about is the triple clamp, and you're talking about the total places the triple clamp holds on to the forks.  There's two triple clamps, one on the top and one on the bottom.  One part of the triple clamp goes around the headstem and the other two go around the fork.

Hope that eases some translation problems.

[Richard-BKK]

Indeed Dave, the Tiger Matrix has a dual triple clamp, while the Tiger CX has a single triple clamp (similar to what we see in bicycles). The question which setup is stronger? I belief that they both are strong enough to all crazy stuff a person would be able to do on both setups, I never hear of problems with the font forks in this regard. Personally I need to say that the dual triple clamp setup looks stronger...

[kano85]

Hi Can hte matrix be registered in Thailand ?

I'm looking for a second bike for my GF I'm doubting between the smart and the matrix .The smart is more ailround isn't it ?

charlie

[Alter]

Hi Can hte matrix be registered in Thailand ?

I'm looking for a second bike for my GF I'm doubting between the smart and the matrix .The smart is more ailround isn't it ?

charlie

Hi Charlie....

mmmhhh....if you are so good friends with Tiger, why don't you ask them?

I am sure they should know whether a Matrix can be registered in TH.

Alter

[Alter]

Hi Can hte matrix be registered in Thailand ?

I'm looking for a second bike for my GF I'm doubting between the smart and the matrix .The smart is more ailround isn't it ?

charlie

Hi Charlie....

mmmhhh....if you are so good friends with Tiger, why don't you ask them?

I am sure they should know whether a Matrix can be registered in TH.

Alter

Here my story on the Smart.

In 2006 I was in Koh Chang....

beautifully trying to escape from the hectic life of Bangkok.

As I arrived there, at the pier I was offered a Suzuki Best 125cc.

I took it as it seemed the easiest and "best" thing to do upon arriving in the night on an island like that.

(Do you all know how steepy the roads on Koh Chang are?)

;-)

Anyway...this "best" gave me the worst experience ever on a bike.

So, I took the "best" back to the rental centre and to my big surprise,

I was offered a weird and unknown brand of thai-made motorcycle.

It was a SMART 125cc. The rental woman told me:

"It is thai motorcycle. You like?" ...asking me in doubts and fears that I would refuse the offer.

But .....I accepted it after a quick test-ride and...

Woowwww....from that moment on going up and down the dangerous hills of Koh Chang was a smashing jolly-good experience.

This was my first ever close encounter with Tiger brand.

I will never forget it.

So Charlie...

If you are considering a bike for your gf...the SMART will beautifully do.

Good luck,

Alter