Shouldn't laugh ..... but did.... sorry.

A peaceful village ashamed of the sons who brought it infamy

THE residents of the small rural town of Tenggulun abhor terrorism. They are tolerant people and are angry that militants are using their home to push their violent agenda, village chief Abu Soleh says.

"None of the villagers share the same idea with Amrozi and their friends," Abu Soleh says.

"People who follow this 'pure' Islam … it is just one small group. In fact, it is just one family. So please, don't generalise. We disagree with them, spreading Islam through violence, through the hard way by applying violence and bombs. We disagree."

These are strange times for the people of Tenggulun, which has been overrun by media and Islamic extremists for the funeral of Bali bombers Amrozi and Mukhlas. The streets are clogged with cars and satellite dishes while hundreds of hardline Islamists are running their own security operation, shaking down journalists for money in exchange for dubious "accreditation" and holding noisy rallies.

Dressed provocatively in mujahideen chic, balaclavas or Arabic dress, they leave the villagers bemused, but also uneasy.

Many of them are members of the Islamic Defenders Front (FPI), a notorious organisation known for attacking members of other religions and violently disrupting peaceful rallies supporting tolerance and secularism.

"We don't have any problem with foreigners like Australians," Abu Soleh says. "What Tenggulun people worry about is the presence of outsiders such as FPI. For your information, they are not local people. They are from other areas.

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Oh no, not the 'blame religion for the worlds woes' brigade!

It was only a matter of time.

We all know that WW11 was all about Hitlers hatred of the Jews!!! Not

Moss

Maybe not, but he certainly hated and killed a great number of them - whatever his motives were for WW2!

Good point there about Hitler. However, religion was not the motivation for WW2. If you think about it, most of the countries invoved, certainly in Europe, were christian, same with WW1. The majority of wars are not religiously motivated. The biggest and most common reason was greed. And of course as cited in another thread, human nature, we just don't learn from our past mistakes.

Maybe not, but he certainly hated and killed a great number of them - whatever his motives were for WW2!

It's to the rest of Europe's eternal shame that they knew of the Nazi's treatment of the Jews and other "undesirables" and dissidents and did nothing until Hitler actually attacked them.

Imam Samudra's words from beyond the grave

DEAD Bali bomber Imam Samudra has urged from the grave that his Muslim brothers should educate their children to become terrorists and killers of non-believers.

The chilling words are from the last will of Samudra which was released in his home village in West Java where he was buried amid the awful spectacle of a hero’s funeral on the weekend. He declares the “war” is not over.

Always fiery and lacking in any remorse or guilt, Samudra urged his fellow Muslims to fill their lives with the murder of non-believers, saying the title of terrorist was more holy than the title of Ulama or Muslim scholar.

The will begins: “My brothers, this is my will to you and all Muslim people who have committed themselves to Jihad and martyrdom, to continue Jihad and fighting against the biggest evil, America and the cursed Jew”.

And he urges his like-minded the brotherhood: “For you who have committed yourself to fight against Kaffir dogs, remember the war is not over.”

He calls on others to fill their lives with murder of non-Muslims.

“Isn’t it Allah who has ordered us to kill them all, just like they have killed us and our family. Have a desire to become the slaughterer of Kaffir people. Educate your children and grandchildren to become terrorists and slaughterers of all Kaffir people.”

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Good point there about Hitler. However, religion was not the motivation for WW2. If you think about it, most of the countries invoved, certainly in Europe, were christian, same with WW1. The majority of wars are not religiously motivated. The biggest and most common reason was greed. And of course as cited in another thread, human nature, we just don't learn from our past mistakes.

In a historical context, before their push for power, most tribes divided along religious lines, pushed up a cross a crescent, or whatever and then pushed on in an to attempt to dominate their neighbours

Imam Samudra's words from beyond the grave

DEAD Bali bomber Imam Samudra has urged from the grave that his Muslim brothers should educate their children to become terrorists and killers of non-believers.

The chilling words are from the last will of Samudra which was released in his home village in West Java where he was buried amid the awful spectacle of a hero's funeral on the weekend. He declares the "war" is not over.

Always fiery and lacking in any remorse or guilt, Samudra urged his fellow Muslims to fill their lives with the murder of non-believers, saying the title of terrorist was more holy than the title of Ulama or Muslim scholar.

The will begins: "My brothers, this is my will to you and all Muslim people who have committed themselves to Jihad and martyrdom, to continue Jihad and fighting against the biggest evil, America and the cursed Jew".

And he urges his like-minded the brotherhood: "For you who have committed yourself to fight against Kaffir dogs, remember the war is not over."

He calls on others to fill their lives with murder of non-Muslims.

"Isn't it Allah who has ordered us to kill them all, just like they have killed us and our family. Have a desire to become the slaughterer of Kaffir people. Educate your children and grandchildren to become terrorists and slaughterers of all Kaffir people."

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and after that total rubbish he mumbled before his death to scare the frightened western media;

did you find or heard that any crowds were seen following and implanting his evil orders? I guess the indonaisan-muslims follow thei God and prophet ;not a late rotten criminal

Take note of my link in Post #62 in this topic.

Apparently the "smiling assasin" Amrozi was not laughing at the end.

He was reportedly pale and scared when he went to paradise.

Take note of my link in Post #62 in this topic.

I did . But ;at the same time, I think you'd have posted the two links in the same post to give a very clear view to the same story, and the members would understand it better; that the same ppl that the criminal was addressing ;they were feeling ashamed of his crimes.

Different publication dates zaza, or I would have.

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Apparently the "smiling assasin" Amrozi was not laughing at the end.

He was reportedly pale and scared when he went to paradise.

He always came across as the weak link in the group Old Croc.

He even seemed to me to be a little simple. I think that if they had had another bomb he would have been the one with it strapped on.

Different publication dates zaza, or I would have.

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Apparently the "smiling assasin" Amrozi was not laughing at the end.

He was reportedly pale and scared when he went to paradise.

He always came across as the weak link in the group Old Croc.

He even seemed to me to be a little simple. I think that if they had had another bomb he would have been the one with it strapped on.

mai pen rai!

Those scum bags are more coward and weaker than anyone;thats why they enjoy killing from the first place!

Have you ever seen a picture of Saddam's face before he was executed? I think he was scared to hel_l from the paradise that waited him!

Understandable............It's all very well being surrounded by a thousand virgins, but that means there are a thousand fathers and possibly tens of thousands of brothers waiting to chop your gonads off if you touch them !!!.............................Purgatory well deserved.

Those that were scared in their final moments may have come to the realization that they were being executed for murder by fellow Muslims. Maybe they realized they were being executed not as heroes, but as criminals, and there wasn't going to be any Paradise or Virgins waiting for them on the other side (or that they themselves were going to be someone else's "virgins" for eternity).

In any event, these are but 3 of the many that were involved in the bombings. More are still in jail, though the alleged mastermind was released some time ago. Justice was served, to a degree.

It's scary to consider how many feel the same way as Imam Samudra, (My brothers, this is my will to you and all Muslim people who have committed themselves to Jihad and martyrdom, to continue Jihad and fighting against the biggest evil, America and the cursed Jew". )

Of those that are vocal in their support, many more are just as supportive, only quieter about it. It's as if Israel is the root of all the world's problems, and America is evil because it supports them (and prevents the Muslims from annihilating them). (I do find it a bit strange the Muslims the world over seem to harbour the same feelings. It is one of the few things they seem to all agree on, regardless of sect or location).

The victims in this particular case though, were primarily NOT Americans or Jews. As we know, Australians accounted for 88 of the 202 murdered, while 7 Americans, 24 from the UK, and 38 Indonesians made up the largest groups of victims, the other 42 came from 18 different countries (with 3 listed as "unknown).

These people were nothing more than murderers, and obviously didn't care who they killed. To them, anyone that doesn't follow their version of Islam is fair game. Hopefully their memory will fade away before it can influence too many more like them.

The whole trial was a propaganda circus for Islamic fanaticism. Every time they walked into that courtroom in front of the TV cameras dressed in spotless white, punching the air and screaming that God was great millions of little Muslim boys world wide looked on in admiration.

The media has a lot to answer for in the name of "people have a right to know".

I'm sure they never felt fear at the moment of their deaths. There are many eyewitness reports of Christian martyrs dying bravely; do you think these people are any less committed to their God?

Interesting point. They are not "committed" to their God at all. Islam is not a religion of hate, it has been hi-jacked by such scum and turned to their own twisted interpretations which inevitably lead ( they hope ) to fanatics taking power.........What does this have to do with committment to their God ?

OK, what they consider to be their commitment to their God and their religion.

A fanaticism more like the Christian Conquistadors slaughtering the pagan natives than those being fed to the lions.

Are you suggesting that the Koran is any less open to misinterpretation than the Bible?

Nope,

Murder committed by people waving both books above their heads still murder, and nothing to do with the fundamental teachings of both religions.

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It didn't take long. Soon after their deaths, photos of them in their shrouds have surfaced on the net, and one website displaying them calls them "Martyrs of the battle of Bali".

I won't post the pics, or the link to the pics (don't really want them on TV), but if anyone wants to google "Ar Rahmah" it comes up as the first hit.

On a positive note (sort of), it doesn't appear that there has been too much violence since the executions (violence related/linked/in support of the condemned). May their memory fade away quickly and quietly.

On a positive note (sort of), it doesn't appear that there has been too much violence since the executions (violence related/linked/in support of the condemned). May their memory fade away quickly and quietly.

That is what scares me the most, if there had been an immediate emotional backlash perhaps it may have quenched the thirst for retribution, however the silence is worrying.

As I am living/working in Indo now most Indo folks I have spoken to say it is not a matter of IF but WHEN something happens, and they are all certain it will be something big.

It is nice to see the concern from the local folks here, I am often asked where I come from and when I tell them Australia they tell me to be very careful, don't go here or don't go there and report anything suspicious to the Police, as they are all doing.

About 50 metres from my apartment is the burnt out shell of a Christian Church that was blown up on Xmas Eve in 2000, by Imam Samudra as it turns out. So it is widely known he has friends and sympathisers in the local area.

I hope nithing ever comes of this but I think that's a hope that will not be realised.

I really hope that I am wrong tuky, but Christmas will probably be the time for anything planned.

That is the word on the street Thad, like you I really hope nothing happens. The people here are really very nice, they come from all over Indo and are really only interested in taking care of their own loved ones.

Then there are the very few who think we all should die.

Actually I was talking to a girl the other night whilst we were watching Amrozi and the rest being interviewed on TV, they were urging everyone to kill the Kaffirs (us), my friend shouted out (To Amrozi) "You're the Kaffir" and all those (Indos) in the pub agreed with her.

Shame it only takes a few to cast a negative light on a couple of hundred million.