Lost Job And Work Permit. How Do I Stay Here Now?

[ukmaninthailand]

Hi im currently working for a company in bangkok and have recentley been told that it will close in the middle of next month and I will lose my job.

I am from the UK and am currently on a 1 year multiple entry non immigrant B visa which was issued in the UK and have a work permit.

I want to stay in Thailand as a tourist living on my current savings. I want to stay in Thailand for up to a year maybe more if my savings do not run out.

What happens now. Is my 1 year multiple entry non immigrant B visa cancelled if my work permit is cancelled?

Lots of help would be appreciated

Thanks

[EvilDrSomkid]

Also curious what the answer is.

I will potentially be in a very similar situation soon. I also have a WP and multi-non-immi B visa.

I read something about having to leave the country the same day the contract/employment finishes.

I could apply for a non-immi O visa based on marriage to Thai national, but that I need to do outside the country. What would be the best neighbouring country to do this from? Malaysia, Singapore?

Sorry for partially hi-jacking your thread ukman.

In anycase, my commiserations.

[ubonjoe]

What happens now. Is my 1 year multiple entry non immigrant B visa cancelled if my work permit is cancelled?

Thanks

Your visa will still be valid.

Only one year extensions are cancelled when work permit ends.

Remember that you can still use your B visa for entry uptil the last day of validity.

After that you can get a tourist visa to stay loneger.

[ubonjoe]

I could apply for a non-immi O visa based on marriage to Thai national, but that I need to do outside the country.

Married to a Thai you could apply for a for a one year extension.

You need to show 40,000 baht income per month. Which if you are working can be proved with tax payment reciepts. You can get the extension on the B visa you now have. You might want to do this before you loose your job. If still working you can keep your work permit with a marriage based extension.

Also your B visa will remain valid if you don't do the extension.

KL and Penang issue multiple entry O's.

[ukmaninthailand]

Ok, so when my multiple entry non immigrant B visa ends in April I have to get a tourist visa? Can i just keeping going across the border every 3 months to get my passport stamped for as long as I want?

Thanks

What happens now. Is my 1 year multiple entry non immigrant B visa cancelled if my work permit is cancelled?

Thanks

Your visa will still be valid.

Only one year extensions are cancelled when work permit ends.

Remember that you can still use your B visa for entry uptil the last day of validity.

After that you can get a tourist visa to stay loneger.

[thaicbr]

As Ubon said non imm 'b' can be extended. but also if you do a border run a few days BEFORE the expiry date you will get another 90 days so a 12 month becomes 15 month. dont forget that now you have to do a border run every 90 days.

also what about getting another job. i don't know what you do now but you could easily get a job teaching.

Allan

[ukmaninthailand]

I could apply for a non-immi O visa based on marriage to Thai national, but that I need to do outside the country.

Married to a Thai you could apply for a for a one year extension.

You need to show 40,000 baht income per month. Which if you are working can be proved with tax payment reciepts. You can get the extension on the B visa you now have. You might want to do this before you loose your job. If still working you can keep your work permit with a marriage based extension.

Also your B visa will remain valid if you don't do the extension.

KL and Penang issue multiple entry O's.

Me and my fiancee are also planning to get married very shortly. So could I apply for a 1 year extension on my multiple entry non imm B visa which runs out in April. Do I need a non immigrant O visa to do this or just proof like marriage certificate etc?

Thanks

[BangkokBP]

Sorry to hear about your situation.

You could apply for a educational visa, either studying Thai language or some other subject, like thai boxing.

The muay thai school where i study offers assistance in applying for 1 year educational visas provided you study there two times a week.

Regards,

bbp

[ubonjoe]

Ok, so when my multiple entry non immigrant B visa ends in April I have to get a tourist visa? Can i just keeping going across the border every 3 months to get my passport stamped for as long as I want?

Thanks

When your B visa expires in April you can do a border run the day before it expires and get another 90 days.

After that makie a trip to Vientiane and get a 2 entry 60 day tourist visa which can be extended for 30 days at immigration. After 90 days make a border run and repeat repeat the 60 +30. After that will have to get a new visa again.

[PhilHarries]

Ok, so when my multiple entry non immigrant B visa ends in April I have to get a tourist visa? Can i just keeping going across the border every 3 months to get my passport stamped for as long as I want?

Thanks

I believe that you can get back to back tourist visas pretty well unlimited but occassionally we hear of a particular consulate getting uppity about "long term" tourists.

btw you are lucky when I found mysef in the same position a few years back I was on an extension so received seven days notice to quit the country.

[Lite Beer]

Me and my fiancee are also planning to get married very shortly. So could I apply for a 1 year extension on my multiple entry non imm B visa which runs out in April. Do I need a non immigrant O visa to do this or just proof like marriage certificate etc?

Thanks

You will need proof of a family monthly income of 40,000 Baht plus a few other things.

For income from abroad you need a letter from you embassy.

For income from inside Thailand you need tax payment receipts as proof.

It can be your income, your wife's or a combination of the two.

[ukmaninthailand]

As Ubon said non imm 'b' can be extended. but also if you do a border run a few days BEFORE the expiry date you will get another 90 days so a 12 month becomes 15 month. dont forget that now you have to do a border run every 90 days.

also what about getting another job. i don't know what you do now but you could easily get a job teaching.

Allan

So just before my visa runs out in April i should do a border run to extend it for another 90 days? And after that i can keep on doing border runs every 90 days on this visa?

Ok my job is in computing. Yeah i would'nt mind teaching but not sure where i would look to find a teaching job. I also don't speak thai. Only very basic.

Thanks

[ubonjoe]

Me and my fiancee are also planning to get married very shortly. So could I apply for a 1 year extension on my multiple entry non imm B visa which runs out in April. Do I need a non immigrant O visa to do this or just proof like marriage certificate etc?

Thanks

As soon as you get married you can go to immigration with your marriage certificate and get a 1 year extension using your B visa.

See page 8 clause 7.17 of the police order for requirements.

Link to police order: http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/2notice/rtp606EN.pdf

The only requirement not detailed is proof that the marriage is de facto. Thie can be done with photos of you and your wife in your residence together and a photo of the two of you together near the house or room number.

[ubonjoe]

As Ubon said non imm 'b' can be extended. but also if you do a border run a few days BEFORE the expiry date you will get another 90 days so a 12 month becomes 15 month. dont forget that now you have to do a border run every 90 days.

also what about getting another job. i don't know what you do now but you could easily get a job teaching.

Allan

So just before my visa runs out in April i should do a border run to extend it for another 90 days? And after that i can keep on doing border runs every 90 days on this visa?

Ok my job is in computing. Yeah i would'nt mind teaching but not sure where i would look to find a teaching job. I also don't speak thai. Only very basic.

Thanks

No not the same visa you have to get a tourist visa unless you get another job and work permit and can get another B visa.

[EvilDrSomkid]

I could apply for a non-immi O visa based on marriage to Thai national, but that I need to do outside the country.

Married to a Thai you could apply for a for a one year extension.

You need to show 40,000 baht income per month. Which if you are working can be proved with tax payment reciepts. You can get the extension on the B visa you now have. You might want to do this before you loose your job. If still working you can keep your work permit with a marriage based extension.

Also your B visa will remain valid if you don't do the extension.

KL and Penang issue multiple entry O's.

Hi ubon,

I just received the one year extension. It runs to 10/10/2009. The thing is I am employed by a Dutch company, who placed me at a Thai company to monitor. The Thai company pays my allowances as salary, then backcharge to my company. I am formally an employee here. Once the job is done, however, I will be (kicked)out. Whether my Dutch company will extend my assignment to some other job is very uncertain.

I do not want to leave the country despite all the craziness going on (never a dull day). I got a (future) wife, who has her own company, and all my personal gear is here. She only makes 25k a month so the 40k rule is difficult. I read something here that as long as you pay tax on 40k it should be OK. Is that true?

My thirak is losing contracts due to this current craziness, though. Her clients just cancelled a job that would pay 6 figures. Quite upset, she is.

I will have a bunch of cash soon from selling my apartment in NL, so money no worries for a while. I do want to work, I really enjoy my work, of course, but it will take a while to find a company who is willing to pay me 100k p/m

TIA on any help/advice.

[ubonjoe]

Hi ubon,

I just received the one year extension. It runs to 10/10/2009. The thing is I am employed by a Dutch company, who placed me at a Thai company to monitor. The Thai company pays my allowances as salary, then backcharge to my company. I am formally an employee here. Once the job is done, however, I will be (kicked)out. Whether my Dutch company will extend my assignment to some other job is very uncertain.

I do not want to leave the country despite all the craziness going on (never a dull day). I got a (future) wife, who has her own company, and all my personal gear is here. She only makes 25k a month so the 40k rule is difficult. I read something here that as long as you pay tax on 40k it should be OK. Is that true?

My thirak is losing contracts due to this current craziness, though. Her clients just cancelled a job that would pay 6 figures. Quite upset, she is.

I will have a bunch of cash soon from selling my apartment in NL, so money no worries for a while. I do want to work, I really enjoy my work, of course, but it will take a while to find a company who is willing to pay me 100k p/m

TIA on any help/advice.

Yes it can be done by paying tax. In most cases that have been reported they simply went to the tax office and declared an income for the year and the tax office did the calculations. In these reports the wife did the income declaration.

If you get married before your job is over you can go to immigration and use your current income as proof. Even if you are near the end of your employment you could still use your past income to get the extension that way you wouldn't have to worry about proving income for another year. Just use your recent tax reciepts to show the previous 3 months.

[EvilDrSomkid]

Hi ubon,

I just received the one year extension. It runs to 10/10/2009. The thing is I am employed by a Dutch company, who placed me at a Thai company to monitor. The Thai company pays my allowances as salary, then backcharge to my company. I am formally an employee here. Once the job is done, however, I will be (kicked)out. Whether my Dutch company will extend my assignment to some other job is very uncertain.

I do not want to leave the country despite all the craziness going on (never a dull day). I got a (future) wife, who has her own company, and all my personal gear is here. She only makes 25k a month so the 40k rule is difficult. I read something here that as long as you pay tax on 40k it should be OK. Is that true?

My thirak is losing contracts due to this current craziness, though. Her clients just cancelled a job that would pay 6 figures. Quite upset, she is.

I will have a bunch of cash soon from selling my apartment in NL, so money no worries for a while. I do want to work, I really enjoy my work, of course, but it will take a while to find a company who is willing to pay me 100k p/m

TIA on any help/advice.

Yes it can be done by paying tax. In most cases that have been reported they simply went to the tax office and declared an income for the year and the tax office did the calculations. In these reports the wife did the income declaration.

If you get married before your job is over you can go to immigration and use your current income as proof. Even if you are near the end of your employment you could still use your past income to get the extension that way you wouldn't have to worry about proving income for another year. Just use your recent tax reciepts to show the previous 3 months.

ubon, thank you very much for this useful information.

I guess this applies to ukman too.

[sniffdog]

In the worst case, just go to Vientiane and get double entry visa trip twice.

[euro82]

just digging out this old post, is it still the same now? What happens to your non-immigrant B visa when your work permit is cancelled?

Thanks a lot!

[lopburi3]

There is no effect on a 90 day visa entry. If you have an extension of stay it ends the day employment ends regardless or work permit. Work permits are not tied to visas anymore.

[euro82]

just digging out this old post as I am still confused on one or two points.

I got a non-immigrant B multiple entries and my company is now applying for the work permit.

Now 2 questions:

- do I have to apply for the one year extension in order to avoid having to do border-runs every 90 days?

- in case I have the one year extension and if my contract ends let's say after a couple of months, do I also have to leave the country within 7 days or can I stay until my visa expires?

Thanks a lot in advance for your answers!

[lopburi3]

You have the choice to exit every 90 days for the period of your visa or extend your stay for one year (if you qualify).

Loss of employment means extension of stay ends that day - there is no 7 days to leave unless you request and pay for a new extension of stay for that time.

As long as your multi entry visa remains valid you can leave and return for a new 90 day stay even if work has ended.

[euro82]

thanks for your answer lopburi3!

Just to be sure:

I have for example a non-immigrant B multiple-entry. starts 1st of January 2011, ends 31st december 2011. Get my work permit on 1st of January. I get 1-year extension that allows me to report every 90 days instead of doing border runs.

If on 1st of march (for example) my work permit is cancelled, I can still stay until 31st december 2011 (provided I do now border-runs evry 90 days)?

Thanks!

[lopburi3]

You would have to cancel your current extension of stay and leave March 1/2 and then return on a 90 day entry and could do that with last entry on December 30 to stay until end of March 2012 as long as your visa has not been marked used or canceled.

[euro82]

thanks it's more clear now but why would the visa be marked as used or cancelled?

You would have to cancel your current extension of stay and leave March 1/2 and then return on a 90 day entry and could do that with last entry on December 30 to stay until end of March 2012 as long as your visa has not been marked used or canceled.

[lopburi3]

There have been occasional reports that immigration has done so when extending visa entry so needs to be checked to be sure as any such marking will prevent it being used for a new entry.

[euro82]

does anyone know?

[Mario2008]

As said, it depends on what immigration does when they extend your permission to stay or cancel your permisison to stay.

Some do seem to cancel your visa, others don't.

[euro82]

sorry I must get some sleep I had not seen there was a second page in that thread :/ Sorry! And thanks for your answers!

So I guess to be safe I wont ask for the 1 year extension on my multiple entry visa and just do border runs every 90 days.... in that case the visa cannot be cancelled along with the work permit right?

[lopburi3]

Correct.