1st Extension Based On Marriage & 400k When To Apply

[DavidOxon]

Hi guys/gals

I want to make my first application for extension based on marriage

using the new 440k method.

My current visa stamp runs out March 1

My 400k have been in my account since December 22

Should I start now with 30 days to go

or start on Feb 22 when funds are matured 60 days?

Thanks

David

[Mario2008]

Go when the funds have matured there for 60 days.

[kriswillems]

I would go now and explain them about your situation. Let them decide what is best: go on with the application or wait. Whatever you do, don't go for 30-day stamps, because these stamps can not be extended with 1 year.

PS. You're now in Thailand with a non-immigrant-O visa, right?

[ubonjoe]

I would go now and explain them about your situation. Let them decide what is best: go on with the application or wait. Whatever you do, don't go for 30-day stamps, because these stamps can not be extended with 1 year.

PS. You're now in Thailand with a non-immigrant-O visa, right?

I think he is on non-o.

It is possible to do a change fo visa status with a 30 day entry but you have do it within 9 days after you arrive (21 days remaining rule).

[DavidOxon]

Hi guys,

yes, in Thailand, on multi non O just coming to the end of my first year

David

[ubonjoe]

Hi guys,

yes, in Thailand, on multi non O just coming to the end of my first year

David

Go and apply for your extension on Feb. 23rd (22nd is a Sunday).

[gosompoi]

Okay my head has been stuck in the sand, when did the 1 year extension based on marriage change to 440k in the bank?

[Lite Beer]

Okay my head has been stuck in the sand, when did the 1 year extension based on marriage change to 440k in the bank?

25th November 2008 . And it is 400,000 OR 40,000 Monthly income.

[ubonjoe]

Okay my head has been stuck in the sand, when did the 1 year extension based on marriage change to 440k in the bank?

A new police order was signed on Nov. 25th of last year.

It broght back the 400,000 baht in the bank for 2 months option. It and the 40,000 baht income uption also must now be yours only. No joint bank accounts or your wifes income now.

[bellevue]

My Visa is up for renewal in April and having been married ffor four years my wife and I went to CM immigration to check things out. We were told that the income can be joint income of 65000 or 400.000 B in a Bank account. My problem is that I retired as on the 31st of Dec and I am still waiting for my company to sort my Pension out as I am with the UK tax dept to sort out a coding. My pension payment for Jan Feb and Mar should be free from tax, and any tax coding will be shown in my pension payment in April, likewise an increase to my pension the same month. I cannot show either 400.000 held in Thai Ban for 2 months nor 3 months pension payment as both compamy and IL are taking sucgh a long time to sort out. My only hope is that as my wife is a government emplyee and outranks many if not all at the immigration dept I might scrape thro. failing this I have a Col in the army who will speak to immigration on my behalf and failing this I will have to return to the UK for a time whilst matters are sorted to comply with the timescales laid down by the Government. Any Ideas or suggestions would help, anyone in a similar position in the past.?

[gosompoi]

Okay my head has been stuck in the sand, when did the 1 year extension based on marriage change to 440k in the bank?

A new police order was signed on Nov. 25th of last year.

It broght back the 400,000 baht in the bank for 2 months option. It and the 40,000 baht income uption also must now be yours only. No joint bank accounts or your wifes income now.

Thanks, I missed this information, I guess I was watching the airport mess during this time period. I will try to now find the new order.

[Lite Beer]

Thanks, I missed this information, I guess I was watching the airport mess during this time period. I will try to now find the new order.

New Order.

[Lite Beer]

My Visa is up for renewal in April and having been married ffor four years my wife and I went to CM immigration to check things out. We were told that the income can be joint income of 65000 or 400.000 B in a Bank account. My problem is that I retired as on the 31st of Dec and I am still waiting for my company to sort my Pension out as I am with the UK tax dept to sort out a coding. My pension payment for Jan Feb and Mar should be free from tax, and any tax coding will be shown in my pension payment in April, likewise an increase to my pension the same month. I cannot show either 400.000 held in Thai Ban for 2 months nor 3 months pension payment as both compamy and IL are taking sucgh a long time to sort out. My only hope is that as my wife is a government emplyee and outranks many if not all at the immigration dept I might scrape thro. failing this I have a Col in the army who will speak to immigration on my behalf and failing this I will have to return to the UK for a time whilst matters are sorted to comply with the timescales laid down by the Government. Any Ideas or suggestions would help, anyone in a similar position in the past.?

A bit of confusion here. For the Marriage Extension you need 400,000 Baht in a Thai bank for 2 months OR 40,000 Baht monthly income. It has to be your money/income, not joint.

For Retirement it is 800,000 in the bank OR 65,000 a month OR a combination of both.

For the income method it will be whatever your Embassy needs to issue the letter of proof.

Immigration will not issue an extension if you do not meet the above.

[ubonjoe]

My Visa is up for renewal in April and having been married ffor four years my wife and I went to CM immigration to check things out. We were told that the income can be joint income of 65000 or 400.000 B in a Bank account. My problem is that I retired as on the 31st of Dec and I am still waiting for my company to sort my Pension out as I am with the UK tax dept to sort out a coding. My pension payment for Jan Feb and Mar should be free from tax, and any tax coding will be shown in my pension payment in April, likewise an increase to my pension the same month. I cannot show either 400.000 held in Thai Ban for 2 months nor 3 months pension payment as both compamy and IL are taking sucgh a long time to sort out. My only hope is that as my wife is a government emplyee and outranks many if not all at the immigration dept I might scrape thro. failing this I have a Col in the army who will speak to immigration on my behalf and failing this I will have to return to the UK for a time whilst matters are sorted to comply with the timescales laid down by the Government. Any Ideas or suggestions would help, anyone in a similar position in the past.?

First are you on a visa entry or an extension of permit to stay? If a visa and it is expiring in April you can still get another 90 days a long a you make a trip out and back before that date.

The requirements for getting an extension is 40,000 per month and it has to be your income only. The 65,000 baht number is for retirement extensions.

You should contact the UK consulate in Chiang Mai about getting the inome letter from them. It is the gross amount of income you are getting not net that is required. For the inocme letter I don't believe there is a 3 month requirement.

For info see this webapsge: http://ukinthailand.fco.gov.uk/en/help-for...ng-in-thailand/

From past reports about immigration in Chiang Mai you probably will be asked to show a bank book showing some incoming transfers and withdrawls along with the letter.

From all the information I have read and heard immigration does not respond to outside influence when granting extensions.

If you can't get everything together by April you can get a 60 day extension to visit your wife. All you need for that is your marriage certificate your wifes house book and ID. So there is no need to make a trip to the UK.

[parryhandy]

Hi guys,

yes, in Thailand, on multi non O just coming to the end of my first year

David

If you leave and return the day before your visa expires you will be granted a further 90 days stay.

[Marcati]

I would go now and explain them about your situation. Let them decide what is best: go on with the application or wait. Whatever you do, don't go for 30-day stamps, because these stamps can not be extended with 1 year.

PS. You're now in Thailand with a non-immigrant-O visa, right?

You cannot apply for the 1 yr extension UNTIL the money has been in for AT LEAST 60 days. If you do they will tell you to come back, no exceptions. I just went through this and they were very strict. I even had the affidavit of income from outside the country signed by the US Embassy and they didn't want to use it in lieu of the 400K in the bank. That is the easiest verification for them since they don't speak English very well.

Good luck!

[mickba]

Okay my head has been stuck in the sand, when did the 1 year extension based on marriage change to 440k in the bank?

25th November 2008 . And it is 400,000 OR 40,000 Monthly income.

My head hurts. I can't find it now, but I thought someone (lopburi?) posted that the 400k in the bank option is only available to those who have previously applied for marriage extentions. For 1st applications only the 40k/month is available.

Have I got that wrong?

[Mario2008]

Okay my head has been stuck in the sand, when did the 1 year extension based on marriage change to 440k in the bank?

25th November 2008 . And it is 400,000 OR 40,000 Monthly income.

My head hurts. I can't find it now, but I thought someone (lopburi?) posted that the 400k in the bank option is only available to those who have previously applied for marriage extentions. For 1st applications only the 40k/month is available.

Have I got that wrong?

The answer is in the post you qouted. As of 25 Nov. 2008 there are new regulations. Now you can choose between an income of 40,000 a month or 400,000 in a Thai bankaccount. In both cases the money has to be yours only.

[rainman]

I keep reading 60 days ...2 months ...60 days ...2 months. Which one is it?

2 months? ie. January 15th to March 15th?

..or..

60 days? ie. January 15th to March 16th?

[Lite Beer]

I keep reading 60 days ...2 months ...60 days ...2 months. Which one is it?

2 months? ie. January 15th to March 15th?

..or..

60 days? ie. January 15th to March 16th?

2 Months ie. Jan15th to March15th

(6) In case of marriage with a Thai lady, the husband who is an alien must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit in a local Thai bank of not less than 400,000 baht for the past 2 months for expenses within a year.

[worldfun]

interesting about the strict requirements on 400k in the bank, so I was hoping someone might be able to suggest on my case:

1) personal account: I have a several year history of overseas deposits into our joint bkk account, but I understand I really need my own account asap, deposit the 400k & wait 60days/2months until I can apply although in fact that's is already too late now...So no exceptions at all on joint accounts even if the foreign deposits clearly arrive to the farang?

2) time frame: again no exceptions to the 2months balance?

3) deposit proof: is certain kinds of deposits needed for immi to 'detect' foreign TTs or any overseas credit towards 400k will count? Does further proof e.g. from embassy or bank to confirm the deposits???

4) or is it much simpler to get 'any' embassy to issue a certificate on 'income' even if not close to retired or such?

lastly any noted difference in 'handling' between office say ayuthaya?

[Lite Beer]

interesting about the strict requirements on 400k in the bank, so I was hoping someone might be able to suggest on my case:

1) personal account: I have a several year history of overseas deposits into our joint bkk account, but I understand I really need my own account asap, deposit the 400k & wait 60days/2months until I can apply although in fact that's is already too late now...So no exceptions at all on joint accounts even if the foreign deposits clearly arrive to the farang?

2) time frame: again no exceptions to the 2months balance?

3) deposit proof: is certain kinds of deposits needed for immi to 'detect' foreign TTs or any overseas credit towards 400k will count? Does further proof e.g. from embassy or bank to confirm the deposits???

4) or is it much simpler to get 'any' embassy to issue a certificate on 'income' even if not close to retired or such?

lastly any noted difference in 'handling' between office say ayuthaya?

Has to be your account only. Has to be 2 months deposit. It is not a requirement for the money to be seen as comming from abroad although some Immigration Offices want to see this. You have to get your Embassy to issue the income certificate if going down that route.

[worldfun]

lite beer (I love san mig. 'lite'),

thanks a lot for your comments although not really encouraging as you say the rules are strictly enforced no exceptions, but at least I can see an idea forming now...

so at least you leave the option open that I may simply transfer my current balance in the joint account (~250k) to a new personal account & then 'just' top it up to reach 400k & then continue spending from those 400k - right?

however it will mean with the 60day/2month counter going if I manage to reach 400k in a new account today or tomorrow I'll bee on around ~10day overstay on current extension - how will the immi officers look at that? any other 'workarounds' to this timing issue? :-(

on the embassy certificate I noted the 'conclusion' on another thread that it ALWAYS have to be the embassy of nationality that issues it, bit last year I used the embassy of my Asian income country & that worked out rather smooth & cheap & I'll do that again unless someone tells me Danish embassy are famed for issuing those easily?

Cheers (in san mig. 'lite') !!!

[worldfun]

actually I'm confused now as the rules say 400k deposit in the bank OR 40k income (proof).

so when you say the embassy has to certify 'income' you really mean they have to 'certify 400k deposited from overseas' isn't it?

if there was regular (foreign) income (pension, job, self employed) it would be the 40k salary rule to use & NOT the perhaps more relaxed 400k in thai personal bank isn't it?

can't immigration based on 3months bank statements see for themselves that (accumulated) 400k was deposited within last 60days from TT???

[Mario2008]

actually I'm confused now as the rules say 400k deposit in the bank OR 40k income (proof).

so when you say the embassy has to certify 'income' you really mean they have to 'certify 400k deposited from overseas' isn't it?

if there was regular (foreign) income (pension, job, self employed) it would be the 40k salary rule to use & NOT the perhaps more relaxed 400k in thai personal bank isn't it?

can't immigration based on 3months bank statements see for themselves that (accumulated) 400k was deposited within last 60days from TT???

400k is proofed with letter from the bank and your bankbook, income (40K) is proofed by either tax documents and contract (within Thailand) or in the case when the income is from abroad with a letter from your embassy stating your income. Bankstatements are not considered proof.

[Lite Beer]

Mario is correct.

If you need a bit of breathing space you can get a 60 day extension from Immigration to visit your Thai Wife.

From the police order.

2.24 In the case of an alien

visiting a Thai spouse or child:

Permission

will be granted for a period of not more than 60 days at a time

(1) Proof of relationship.

(2) In the case of a spouse, their marital relationship shall be de

jure (legitimate) and de facto.

[hernik]

Do anyone know how long immigration usually takes processing a visa extension application based om marriage in Bangkok, provided all papers are OK?

[Lite Beer]

Do anyone know how long immigration usually takes processing a visa extension application based om marriage in Bangkok, provided all papers are OK?

Depending on how busy they are an hour. Longer if busy. You also will have to go back in 30 days to get the Extension Stamp.

[worldfun]

mario, lite beer:

thanks for continued info.

however opened k-bank personal account today & was told by suanplu that the '2months 400k balance' is merely a 'guideline' & chances were good I'd be OK if I got 400k asap in my new account (regardless of origin so the transfer from joint account would be ok) spent from it (balance going below 400k) as long as balance was brough up above 400k before applying for the extension.

Thus with that I'd say the '400k' requirements are more or less like this:

1) maintain a PERSONAL/SOLE (NOT joint) Thai bank account (savings/current).

2) reach a balance of at least 400k around the 60day prior to expiry/applying extension (2months limit not strictly enforced, but the 400k probably is!).

3) no need to MAINTAIN a constant/idle 400k balance just 'topup' account to at least 400k prior to applying extension.

4) proof of bank balances would be passbook/3month statements & a letter from your branch may also be needed (stating what exactly?)???

cheers!

[Maestro]

...2) reach a balance of at least 400k around the 60day prior to expiry/applying extension (2months limit not strictly enforced, but the 400k probably is!)...

It depends entirely on the immigration officer you are dealing with whether he wants to enforce the two-month rule. One member posted that he went to apply after 60 days, which was one or two days short of two months, and his application was not accepted on that day. He had to go back when the money was in the bank for tow months.

Never assume that what was accepted at one immigration office will be accepted at another office.

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Maestro