I don't want that Donkeydoctor in here - gives me the creeps.

Sorry Horsedoctor

But then i shall just go with flow with a few dips along the way

Donkey Doctor won't be getting to bedlam Patsy.

She was banned a while ago.

Reincarnation does happen here in T.V.Land,

Beware of anyone called MuleMedic Pats !

^555 Here come the ass jokes...

The general idea of bedlam was one of mostly self moderated & I think that works most of the time.

Personally I've only had to act in mod mode once or twice in all the years this has been running in one form or another but sadly there have been instances where a poster had rights to bedlam revoked as self moderation wasn't possible.

Moderators really don't want to mod in here.

Better to remove the one for the greater good & enjoyment of everyone else than have to have a more visible mod presence imo.

The rest of the forum has plenty mod presence (too mcuh I am often told ), which is why often cases the removal from bedlam isn't an automatical removal from the rest of the forum.

Do you have an eidetic memory suegha?

Moss

I don't know about that Mossy, I have a great memory for some things and a poor memory for others. Sometimes when watching a movie that I have seen years before I can recall the exact script, which amazes my wife. I think it's when something is arty or interesting (not that wolfie's post was either! ) rather than purely factual. Now, where did I put my car keys???

I think this is the appropriate thread to ask this question:

Maechanman joined on 3 March this year - not two weeks ago. At this current minute of the day, he has made 390 posts. I have looked through his posts, and all bar the first three were made to games in Farang Pub. I have no issue with people playing these games - I have a go at them myself. But the issue here is about the privelege (Wolfie in Rules: 'Remember - Bedlam is a privilege not a right') of being a member of Bedlam. Who knows, he(?) may have no desire to be a member of Bedlam - but that is not the issue.

The issue is that it has been expressed in the rules by Jai Dee that 'having reached the 500 post threshold to gain entry to Bedlam you should be mature enough to respect your peers on the forum'. Clearly, this did not anticipate the situation of a member posting exclusively (bar three posts) to games. It anticipated a member interacting with other posters in discussion forums and establishing that he/she can play be the rules in that interaction. This cannot be applied to games, where one merely inserts three words into an ongoing story, or the name of a song.

Just as it has been mentioned that in special circumstances, some people can enter Bedlam without the mandatory post count, so it seems to me that this particular poster has created his own special circumstances. If he is undertaing this process to gain a fastrack to Bedlam, then he should not receive the privelege until a reasonable proportion of his posts fit within the spirit of Bedlam's entry requirements. If he is not seeking fastrack entry, then he should take no issue with being ineligible for entry on post count basis only.

It may be said that we should give him a go and see what happens - but then that creates a precedent that should be applied to anyone else who does the same. More to the point, however, it devalues Bedlam and its members, who obtained entry through the normal course of posting and interaction with other forum members.

I take SBK's point about it being unfair to openly discuss members of Bedlam with a view to depriving them of access. This is a totally different situation. I would appreciate the input of others in order to gauge the appropriatness of making a representation to Admin.

Ping, in principle, I agree.

Do you think it may just be some poor lonely person racing everyone else.

Has no idea Bedlam even exists.

Whoever it is, is certainly no idiot, I notice how a cupl of my barbed posts were deftly brushed aside.

Clever person, may be laffing at TVers.

Wait and see.

Cheers matey

I have no idea who this guy is, however if he reaches the appropriate post count, under the present rules he should be allowed to enter, it would be a violation of his human rights for a sanction based on individual forum posting.

However, it stands firmly with my stance of certain fora having zero post count as it allows members to enter areas without any kind of history and an easy avenue of re-entry after banning or taking a 1000 year holiday, something I believe you would agree with.

Moss

Whoever it is, is certainly no idiot, I notice how a cupl of my barbed posts were deftly brushed aside.

That is certainly no gauge to base a man's competence on,or not, whichever the case might be!

Moss

I've never been a fan of the "games" threads, they have ruined the Farang Pub IMO, and have made a mockery of the privilege of getting into bedlam. I would welcome all posts in the Farang Pub not counting towards a post count.. this would possibly encourage posters to actually post something worthwhile in one of the other forums.

Totster

p.s - Before some of you race off to find a post of mine in one of the games threads, I'm not a fan due to what they are used for, and that they are completely pointless ... but I may have found something to say in some of them

Appreciate the input guys, I've brought your points up with the other mods and admin

I would welcome all posts in the Farang Pub not counting towards a post count..

I agree with this in principal - but I think it would be better if they were all dumped in a new re-named "word games" forum rather than simply applying this new rule to the Pubbing forum. I still think it would be good to have a forum on here about pubbing and nightlife in Thailand; and the fact that we have one which is meant for those topics but isn't being used as such seems to be a bit of a waste in my opinion. If this is done, it would be easy to segregate the non-valuable content from the proper stuff and remove the post count increase from it accordingly.

In defence of posters who use the Farang Pub forum frequently and other areas rarely, some bring other attributes and angles to the forum in general, be it hard hitting images (as above) or more humourous photos (some of Kanwin's spring to mind) or even a more lateral slant on things.

The post count rule has to remain - but as always well administered and moderated (and we should all play an active part - isn't that why there is a report button)

Be vigilant !

Appreciate the input guys, I've brought your points up with the other mods and admin

....and ?

We actually had a thread a little while back that discussed the possibility of moving the word games away from Pub. (in Forum Support I think).

There were some good points made both ways and some posters sat on the fence.

I think one of the main problems with a go-it-alone Pub, Nightlife forum is the heavily enforced rule about no talk of bargirls/boys. There are good reasons for having such a rule, as there are always slack minded posters who are unable to discuss such matters within the boundaries of maturity and humour. But, subsequently, there is little discussion on nightlife apart from an occassional promotion for the Blues Factory or some of the younger members stroking each others egos as they plan where to party that night.

To pretend that the sex scene in Thailand doesn't exist is also a cop out. I don't have a definitive answer to how the situation should be handled, but i would like to see change so the Pub aspect of the forum doesn't disappear altogether.

There are too many word games threads now and they need to be pared down again (as Tots did previously) and perhaps a little note made that, while they can be amusing, the purpose is not for purely post count gain. Posters should be encouraged to post elsewhere.

Bedlam: I've felt for a while that the entry level was a little low and think 1,000 would be more appropriate these days (not backdated). It seems too easy for some people to do what this current character is doing obviously to gain entry here (my usual paranoid brain tells me it is a member of another foum trying to get access here for lurking purposes).

In these days of high post counts 500 is too easily obtained.

What Ping suggests about quality of posts is a good idea in principal, but would be impossible to monitor completely.

In defence of posters who use the Farang Pub forum frequently and other areas rarely, some bring other attributes and angles to the forum in general, be it hard hitting images (as above) or more humourous photos (some of Kanwin's spring to mind) or even a more lateral slant on things.

And they still would - we're not talking about throwing them off the forum, just an idea about making "nothing" posts count nil towards the post-count. I'm not sure where the hard-hitting image you posted was originally placed, but I can't imagine it was in one of these "change a letter", "6 word multi-national book-name" threads - it would have been very out of place if it was!

I think one of the main problems with a go-it-alone Pub, Nightlife forum is the heavily enforced rule about no talk of bargirls/boys. There are good reasons for having such a rule, as there are always slack minded posters who are unable to discuss such matters within the boundaries of maturity and humour. But, subsequently, there is little discussion on nightlife apart from an occassional promotion for the Blues Factory or some of the younger members stroking each others egos as they plan where to party that night.

In my view, the reason for there being little or no nightlife discussion is nothing to do with the bar boys/girls rules, but just because the most relevant area for these discussions has been taken over by word games, so people think that that's what the forum is for. There's loads more to Thailand's nightlife than the sleazy stuff - and with a pinned thread explaining the no-go areas, I see no reason why a pubs / nightlife forum couldn't prosper with the content it was originally designed for.

Appreciate the input guys, I've brought your points up with the other mods and admin

....and ?

Um, did you look at the time posted? Give us a break, we are across time zones and each have lives to lead. Do you really expect a solution within 45 minutes?

One of the problems with the zero post count suggestion is that it could increase the workload for moderators significantly, with people posting word game-type threads (ala Seinfeld - 'Threads about nothing') in inappropriate sub-forums. I should think that there will be a significant number of grey area-type posts that could raise some unpopular administrative decisions. By all means create a new sub-forum called 'Gameplay and Puzzles' or similar in order to re-establish the raison d'être of Farang Pub, but I'm not sure that you would want the workload of making these a zero count due to those administrative considerations.

If, however, it is decided to make these threads not count, then enable the change transparently without infringing generally accepted rules applying to retrospectivity; viz do not move threads there - merely close them in Farang Pub with the following comment; 'Closed. Irrelevant to this sub-forum. A new thread may be opened in the "Gameplay and Puzzles" sub-forum' (see below). These irrelevant threads will then drift into the Farang Pub archives over time withou upsetting posters by invoking an unfair retrospectivity on post count.

In my view, the simplest solution (which can be maintained by creating new software rules, thus eliminating any additional administrative burden) remains the option of implementing a minimum period of TV membership requirement for entry to Bedlam - say, 12 months. A minimum post count requirement should remain, in conjunction with the qualifying membership period. Although I think 500 posts is still okay, if used in conjunction with this qualifying period requirement, I have no difficulty with the option of raising the requirement to 1,000 posts.

Accordingly, I suggest the following suite of changes:

1. Create a new sub-forum called 'Gameplay and Puzzles'.

2. Either -

- Move the threads in Farang Pub that fit within the new category into that new category, but do not remove the post count applicability (preferred option); or

- Close the threads in Farang Pub that fit within the new category, with the closure wording as stated above, and apply a zero post count to the new sub-forum (second option).

(Do not combine these options/introduce violation of administrative rules of retrospectivity.)

In either case, post an explanatory thread in Farang Pub (ie restoring the intent of the Farang Pub sub-forum, and the process to be invoked.)

3. Program two new software rules for admission to Bedlam -

- Minimum period of TV membership, 12 months; and

- Minimum post count in TV, 1,000 posts.

Okay, it may sound a little bit convoluted, but once in place (esp with the preferred option in [2]), it will look after itself.

Transitional arrangement:

Anyone who has previously posted in Bedlam who does not meet the new Bedlam criteria should be permitted to remain a member on request by way of PM. This arrangement can be advised to members of Bedlam within this thread.

E: Addendum

One of the problems with the zero post count suggestion is that it could increase the workload for moderators significantly, with people posting word game-type threads (ala Seinfeld - 'Threads about nothing') in inappropriate sub-forums.

Why would people do that? It happens very rarely now and, if it does happen on occasion now, it is probably because people (mainly newbies I'd guess) wouldn't know where else to post them, due to there not being an obvious designated area for these threads. I don't see any extra workload caused by creating a forum to categorise the currently mis-placed word game threads - if anything, it should reduce the workload.

If, however, it is decided to make these threads not count, then enable the change transparently without infringing generally accepted rules applying to retrospectivity; viz do not move threads there - merely close them in Farang Pub with the following comment; 'Closed. Irrelevant to this sub-forum. A new thread may be opened in the "Gameplay and Puzzles" sub-forum' (see below). These irrelevant threads will then drift into the Farang Pub archives over time withou upsetting posters by invoking an unfair retrospectivity on post count.

Closing them all down will just upset people. If they're moved into a new word-games forum, people can still reach all the threads with a single mouse-click, and the games can continue uninterrupted. Then, for all the moved threads, they then don't count towards members' post counts from that point onwards.

implementing a minimum period of TV membership requirement for entry to Bedlam - say, 12 months.

Good idea.

I have to agree that the 500 posts entry is a bit low when you consider how easily 500 can be obtained. 1,000 is a fairer figure but if you think about it also easily attained. Perhaps the 1 year rule is worthy of consideration...

Myself & Dan have banged this Drum before and still wholly agree with myself Dan and Kerry.

Moss

Appreciate the input guys, I've brought your points up with the other mods and admin

Thanks s', in the previous post I have linked constructive arguments by myself and Dan regarding the Pub and so I don't agree with the Pub having nil count, only for it to be used in its proper manner and the Games room to have zero counts, that may allow the Pub to flourish and keep the majority happy regarding entry into Bedlam by post alone.

Further thought regarding entry into Bedlam by increasing Post count or times elapsed could then be considered.

I would welcome all posts in the Farang Pub not counting towards a post count..

I agree with this in principal - but I think it would be better if they were all dumped in a new re-named "word games" forum rather than simply applying this new rule to the Pubbing forum. I still think it would be good to have a forum on here about pubbing and nightlife in Thailand; and the fact that we have one which is meant for those topics but isn't being used as such seems to be a bit of a waste in my opinion. If this is done, it would be easy to segregate the non-valuable content from the proper stuff and remove the post count increase from it accordingly.

Again, I agree with this.

Moss

By all means create a new sub-forum called 'Gameplay and Puzzles' or similar in order to re-establish the raison d'être of Farang Pub, but I'm not sure that you would want the workload of making these a zero count due to those administrative considerations.

We already have a games and riddles forum, also an arcade forum, it may be easier to create a sub-forum within the games and riddles, if it is possible to make these zero rated, there would be little extra work, apart from an occasional movement from one forum to the more appropriate one.

of implementing a minimum period of TV membership requirement for entry to Bedlam - say, 12 months. A minimum post count requirement should remain, in conjunction with the qualifying membership period. Although I think 500 posts is still okay, if used in conjunction with this qualifying period requirement, I have no difficulty with the option of raising the requirement to 1,000 posts.

By invoking the zero ratings, it may negate the need to increase membership rights, I am personally not fussed, but it does appear a good idea.

Moss

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Jokes-puzzle...es-day-f20.html

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Jokes-puzzle...es-day-f20.html

Fan-Flaming-tastic

A victory to common sense

Moss

Bedlam talks & the big boys listen.

Bedlam talks & the big boys listen.

Good job. Maybe now you could see about getting rid of those really annoying Google ads after the first post of each page? Thanks a bunch.

That, I don't know we can do much about. G makes the decisions on that one.

Good job. Maybe now you could see about getting rid of those really annoying Google ads after the first post of each page? Thanks a bunch.

As this is a commercial organisation and we do not pay toward its upkeep, is it not a small price to pay considering we only have to fast scroll past them in the first place.

My only concern on the matter is the Escort Services, the wife came in to the study the other day and noticed them, my firm denial of using a web site of indeterminate background was met in rugby terms with a late tackle and an illegal stamp in the ruck, not very pleasant

That, I don't know we can do much about. G makes the decisions on that one.

Does that mean the Mods made the decision on this one, if so well done and for George a good piece of management allowing empowerment to take its course.

A better outcome altogether.

Moss

Good job. Maybe now you could see about getting rid of those really annoying Google ads after the first post of each page? Thanks a bunch.

As this is a commercial organisation and we do not pay toward its upkeep, is it not a small price to pay considering we only have to fast scroll past them in the first place.

Yes, I understand that and the regular ads (so long as they're not blinking) don't bother me very much. My eyes seem to have trained themselves not to see those. My issue with the inserted Google ads is, at best it interrupts the flow of the thread, and at worst (usually) they have me thinking I've reached the end of the page and I click elsewhere.

My only concern on the matter is the Escort Services, the wife came in to the study the other day and noticed them, my firm denial of using a web site of indeterminate background was met in rugby terms with a late tackle and an illegal stamp in the ruck, not very pleasant

I never see those, but my wife is just as observant as your own. "Whose that girl(s)? Oh my Godness, she look like a hooooker!"

That, I don't know we can do much about. G makes the decisions on that one.

Does that mean the Mods made the decision on this one, if so well done and for George a good piece of management allowing empowerment to take its course.

A better outcome altogether.

Moss

For the blinking and animated Avatars, click on Esc, this freezes them, I have just tried this with Ads and it froze them too, but not sure if this works all the time, as for the inserted ads, they should only be after the very first post on each page unless you are viewing as a Guest.

Are you getting them at other times Lan?

Moss