Fulham Result?

[spud1]

After todays excellent result at fulham,is it possible manure have bottled it.Will the hairdryer now start blowing Ronnies rocket due to the fact his bums become to squeeky?Answers on a postcard please.

[ThaiPauly]

My postcard would say...I think they will hold their nerve and still win it...but not by much, Chelsea lost as well , much depends on if Liverpool can take advantage of United's slip up today

[samuibeachcomber]

still a long way to go.I really thought man.u. would cream fulham,result very unexpected for me,up to liverpool now.

[StevieH]

they're still top and even if we beat villa today united still have a game in hand. it's still theirs to lose, they're still clear, clear favourites. great performance from the cottagers though.

[redscouse]

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[redscouse]

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[LeungKen]

Might one assume you were pleased with yesterday's result Redscouse ?

Have your gloat now by all means, revenge is dish best served cold.

We can compare silverware at the end of the season if you like....

[redscouse]

yeah, we can compare silverware now as well if you like

[StevieH]

i think scholes was actually trying to get sent off twice there wasn't he? once for the handball and once for the karate kick on zamora?

[Jimjim]

What's with Ferguson and his rotation policy? Him and his rotation are so stupid. If he would stop rotating they would win the league. He should have played Carrick instead of Scholes and Tevez or Rooney instead of Giggs. Stupid rotation policy.

If it was Liverpool, that's what the critics would be saying about Benitez. Only fair, innit?

[Jimjim]

still a long way to go.I really thought man.u. would cream fulham,result very unexpected for me,up to liverpool now.

Shouldn't have been unexpected. Fulham for the last few years are a tough team to beat at home in the league and often beat or draw the top teams at Craven Cottage. If Liverpool beat them there in two weeks time I'm sure it will be a tough win to get for them.

[rixalex]

What's with Ferguson and his rotation policy? Him and his rotation are so stupid. If he would stop rotating they would win the league. He should have played Carrick instead of Scholes and Tevez or Rooney instead of Giggs. Stupid rotation policy.

If it was Liverpool, that's what the critics would be saying about Benitez. Only fair, innit?

The difference is Jimjim that United have more depth in the squad, and so it usually doesn't show when changes are made. Who knows what the result might have been with different players on the pitch, but my guess is Fulham probably still would have won. We just didn't seem to be up for it, especially in the first half, and until Rooney came on, just simply didn't deserve to get anything from it.

[rixalex]

^^ And the other difference i forgot to mention is that usually Sir Alex replaces like for like, and doesn't put round pegs in square holes.

[StevieH]

it was a weird team selection that yesterday rix. he seemed to be punishing about five players for poor games last week against us. starting rooney on the bench was particularly odd.

[rixalex]

it was a weird team selection that yesterday rix. he seemed to be punishing about five players for poor games last week against us. starting rooney on the bench was particularly odd.

I'm not sure it was so much about punishing players Stevie, more like trying to juggle things so that all the players are getting some playing time and in good form for the final push.

I agree with you though about Rooney. He's the one player that really thrives on playing week in, week out, and has energy to burn. The difference when he came on was very noticeable. I think his attitude sets a good example for the likes on Ronaldo who for me wastes too much time complaining and sulking about decisions not going his way. I wish he'd just keep his head down, roll his sleeves up and get on with it, but i guess that like other flair players, Berba to name one, he's just not that sort of player.

[Jimjim]

^^ And the other difference i forgot to mention is that usually Sir Alex replaces like for like, and doesn't put round pegs in square holes.

You're right, Rafa's just a horrible manager. Horrible.

[bkkjames]

^^ And the other difference i forgot to mention is that usually Sir Alex replaces like for like, and doesn't put round pegs in square holes.

You're right, Rafa's just a horrible manager. Horrible.

The red card against scholes was justified, no arguement here. We had some really good chances at the start of the second have to score 2-3 with only ten men.

Just glad we are saving these performances for now and not in a few weeks. So Jimjim, is this the trend now, start a new topic after each bad result? just so I am clear.

[rixalex]

^^ And the other difference i forgot to mention is that usually Sir Alex replaces like for like, and doesn't put round pegs in square holes.

You're right, Rafa's just a horrible manager. Horrible.

Jimjim, have you ever wondered why it is that with the exception of Liverpool fans, Rafa is generally not held in particularly high esteem?

[MSingh]

After todays excellent result at fulham,is it possible manure have bottled it.Will the hairdryer now start blowing Ronnies rocket due to the fact his bums become to squeeky?Answers on a postcard please.

In a word, no...

[Jimjim]

So Jimjim, is this the trend now, start a new topic after each bad result? just so I am clear.

Your posts really are peculiar. How the fuc_k would I know? I didn't start this topic and never have started one like this. Ask the OP or look into the mirror and ask the lion.

^^ And the other difference i forgot to mention is that usually Sir Alex replaces like for like, and doesn't put round pegs in square holes.

You're right, Rafa's just a horrible manager. Horrible.

Jimjim, have you ever wondered why it is that with the exception of Liverpool fans, Rafa is generally not held in particularly high esteem?

No, I know it is because of a popular anti-Liverpool bias, Rafa's odd and stand-offish persona, Man U fans thinking their opinions are shared by everyone, the rotation policy "myth" that has been repeated ad naseum, even by ex-Liverpool stars (as statistics continually show all the top 4 managers rotate equally, should we blame Wenger's rotation policy for their position this year?), and on and on and on...People just like to hate Rafa because it's become popular for some reason among the British press, as far as I've observed.

As for square pegs in round holes, that's just more nonsense. Pure opinion that can be easily debated and disproven.

People can disagree with his tactics, but don't for a minute think he's a bad manager. He won two league titles in Spain, and has Liverpool much closer to the top than they've been in years. So, just anyone could have done that? He's just lucky? Give me a break. Pure <deleted>. He just does things a certain way, and it seems some don't like it or don't like him so they make myths up with which to criticize him. Well, his critics really won't like it if Liverpool win the title. That would shut everyone up, wouldn't it?

[StevieH]

^^ And the other difference i forgot to mention is that usually Sir Alex replaces like for like, and doesn't put round pegs in square holes.

You're right, Rafa's just a horrible manager. Horrible.

Jimjim, have you ever wondered why it is that with the exception of Liverpool fans, Rafa is generally not held in particularly high esteem?

by whom? rival fans? 'the neutral'? the press? i couldn't give a flying fuc_k what any of them think of him rix.

he's held in huge esteem by his peers in the game, they being the people who actually know what they're talking about.

[Jimjim]

Ah, well, StevieH said it best.

Other managers know he's good. If they don't, they're idiots.

Anyway, as for the original topic, I think Man U bottled the last match, yes. But I still think they're favorites. Enough said?

[MSingh]

I think " held in high esteem " is something that no one on this Site, hand on heart, anyone on this Site actually knows if Rafa is held in anyway, especially within the Game..

However, surely we can't be arguing that Rafa is/isn't a good Manager..

But let's all be honest, in European Competition, he's a good Manager, a very good Manager in fact but Domestically, have a look at the previous few Seasons with Liverpool's League position, then have a look where they finish up this Year & you'll see that he's far from being the best Manager in this Country, but he is improving & making progress gradually, domestically...

[rixalex]

by whom? rival fans? 'the neutral'? the press? i couldn't give a flying fuc_k what any of them think of him rix.

I wasn't saying that you should care what others think, i was just intrigued to know whether anyone could explain why it is that players like Gerrard receive plenty of plaudits and is always spoken of highly by everyone, including even those who could be described as anti-Liverpool, whereas Rafa isn't. If it was just down to an anti-Liverpool bias as Jimjim suggests, why aren't all Liverpool players and mananger trashed alike?

he's held in huge esteem by his peers in the game, they being the people who actually know what they're talking about.

Which rather suggests that both my and your opinion is of no value

[Jimjim]

you'll see that he's far from being the best Manager in this Country

Really? How far? One point behind the leaders (yes, game in hand) with eight to go? Yes, that is quite far. Not quite as obvious as you think. In fact, not at all.

I believe his first season was his worst, finishing 5th. Best points total was 82. He inherited a great mess from the previous manager especially in terms of the Academy, which he has vastly improved and got back on track. If he's not the best, he's very close to it, not far away, that is quite the exaggeration.

[MSingh]

you'll see that he's far from being the best Manager in this Country

Really? How far? One point behind the leaders (yes, game in hand) with eight to go? Yes, that is quite far. Not quite as obvious as you think. In fact, not at all.

Jimjim, he's far behind Mate, just have a look at the records below my Friend & i'm not just talking about 1 poxy Point ( plus the Game in hand, Pompey at Home, which you drew & they won't )...

Benetiz = 2 domestic Trophies

• FA Cup
  • Winner (1): 2006
    

  [*]FA Community Shield

  • Winner (1): 2006
    

Ferguson = 26 Domestic Trophies

Premier League: 1992–93, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08 <LI>

FA Cup: 1989–90, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1998–99, 2003–04 <LI>

League Cup: 1991–92, 2005–06, 2008–09 <LI>

FA Charity/Community Shield: 1990*, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007, 2008

Arsene Wenger = 11 Domestic Trophies

Premier League (3): 1997–98, 2001–02, 2003–04 <LI>

FA Cup (4): 1997–98, 2001–02, 2002–03, 2004–05 <LI>

FA Community Shield (4): 1998, 1999, 2002, 2004

That's quite away behind, domestically like i said, in my book but if you want to argue otherwise just because he's the Manager of your Football Club, you go for it but don't expect a great deal of arguement from me as there simply isn't one domestically, like we're talking about ...

Edit : To try to tidy the Post up..

Edited March 24, 2009 by MSingh

[bkkjames]

and now you why I like West Ham

[MSingh]

and now you why I like West Ham

It's just facts isn't it & i just can't see why people defend at all costs their Managers or Players even when their arguement isn't justified in the slightest, just because they're from their Club..

If my Players or Manager do something wrong or my argument isn't justified, just because they're from my Club, i won't stick up for them to the hilt & why ?? Because they're wrong & if you're wrong you're wrong & if you're right you're right, simple..

& then to argue the point on just 1 point difference is, in my opinion, absurd given the Domestic success difference between those 3 Managers, plus i even said that Rafa is progressing & improving domestically with each Year that passes...

[rixalex]

and now you why I like West Ham

It's just facts isn't it & i just can't see why people defend at all costs their Managers or Players even when their arguement isn't justified in the slightest, just because they're from their Club..

If my Players or Manager do something wrong or my argument isn't justified, just because they're from my Club, i won't stick up for them to the hilt & why ?? Because they're wrong & if you're wrong you're wrong & if you're right you're right, simple..

& then to argue the point on just 1 point difference is, in my opinion, absurd given the Domestic success difference between those 3 Managers, plus i even said that Rafa is progressing & improving domestically with each Year that passes...

You speak a lot of sense Mr Singh. I too am baffled as to why Liverpool fans are so defensive of Rafa, and immediately assume that anyone who bad mouths him must be doing so because they are anti-Liverpool.

I think a large part of the reason why Rafa is not popular outside of the club itself, has to do not only with the fact that people doubt that he's the real deal, but is down to the way he plays the team. More often than not, his approach will be to sit on a lead and hope for getting a goal on the counter - and if that goal doesn't come, not to worry because he's happy enough with a 1-0 victory. He might be happy, as too might the Liverpool fans be, but for the neutral it's an awfully boring tactic and one that seems at times very unnecessary, when considering the strength of the squad and the weakness of the opposition.