Do You Still Support The 2006 Coup ?

[MJP]

Merely a guest here in the Land of Smiles. Not my country, not my politics, not my problem. Couldn't care a ling!

Flame away!

[flying]

Merely a guest here in the Land of Smiles. Not my country, not my politics, not my problem. Couldn't care a ling!

Flame away!

Why flame someone who has it right?

[geeky]

The coup government was horrible. They weren't as bad as Thaskin ...

good example why democracy is not perfect; the army stole 100 BILLION Baht during the coup, while Thaksin stole about 100 MILLION Baht ... also stupid people like you are allowed to vote!

[mc2]

It just goes to show you a fact you should learn: WHO starts a poll and no matter what their bias is does NOT effect the result of a poll.

DUH...................If you walk into a Irish bar & ask in 30 different polls who supports St. Paddy day .................I tend to think the result will be the same.

DUH x2 lol

anyhow your so called "fact" brought a smile to my face.

[MJP]

Merely a guest here in the Land of Smiles. Not my country, not my politics, not my problem. Couldn't care a ling!

Flame away!

Why flame someone who has it right?

The personal condition with which I truly love about living in Thailand, is my extensive ignorance of the language.

Now, in the UK, in the USA, in (insert anywhere to be honest), people, politicians and other animals all talk a load of old BS.

I'm sure it's absolutely no different here in the Land of Smiles. Yet I can blissfully glide through it without a whimper, a cringe or a frown at anything that's being said or argued. This most certainly includes politics.

I spent today on an old forum I used to frequent in the UK. Like a fine Axminister carpet, wall-to-wall political misery.

I don't miss it.

[Jingthing]

It just goes to show you a fact you should learn: WHO starts a poll and no matter what their bias is does NOT effect the result of a poll.

DUH...................If you walk into a Irish bar & ask in 30 different polls who supports St. Paddy day .................I tend to think the result will be the same.

DUH x2 lol

anyhow your so called "fact" brought a smile to my face.

Kudos for having the integrity to not deny my assertion about your motivation to start this poll. How does it feel to be on the OTHER side of the poll critics?

[mc2]

Time to point out the obvious fact that the OP thought the results would be different if he made the focus the COUP instead of THAKSIN. He was strongly fishing for "NOW we think it was a mistake and agree with you the current total mess in Thailand is the fault of the coup makers and NOT Thaksin" majority result. But he vastly underestimated the sincere disgust for the divisive violent cowardly actions of the disgraced PM Thaksin. Thanks for starting this poll, mate!

It just goes to show you a fact you should learn: WHO starts a poll and no matter what their bias is does NOT effect the result of a poll.

When you view this poll along these other two polls on the topic, the real picture of public opinion on the notorious Dr. T becomes solidly conclusive:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Feelings-Tha...ed-t263702.html

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Thai-Electio...te-t262879.html

BTW, MOST Thais feel the same way. I know it and you know it.

my bs meter was red-lining whilst reading this post.

honestly, i never read such nonsense before in my life.

[Jingthing]

The coup government was horrible. They weren't as bad as Thaskin ...

good example why democracy is not perfect; the army stole 100 BILLION Baht during the coup, while Thaksin stole about 100 MILLION Baht ... also stupid people like you are allowed to vote!

I am stupid so I blindly believe those figures you just spit out!

[mc2]

It just goes to show you a fact you should learn: WHO starts a poll and no matter what their bias is does NOT effect the result of a poll.

DUH...................If you walk into a Irish bar & ask in 30 different polls who supports St. Paddy day .................I tend to think the result will be the same.

DUH x2 lol

anyhow your so called "fact" brought a smile to my face.

Kudos for having the integrity to not deny my assertion about your motivation to start this poll. How does it feel to be on the OTHER side of the poll critics?

i had a good laugh

[Jingthing]

mc2

my bs meter was red-lining whilst reading this post.

honestly, i never read such nonsense before in my life.

OMG! You are really too easy. Sorry, I have to take back what I said before about kudos for your integrity.

NEENER, NEENER, NEENER

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Feelings-Tha...02#entry2725902

Edited May 12, 2009 by Jingthing

[HagenvonTronje]

...

BTW, MOST Thais feel the same way. I know it and you know it.

according to the results of a Suan Dusit poll published on Monday: Bangkok Post 11.05.2009

- About 36 per cent believed Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva to be a good leader (what about the other 64% ?)

- 26 per cent of the respondents were satisfied with the government's efforts to disperse the protesters last month, (what about the other 74% ?)

- 15 per cent were pleased with the government's handling of education reform (what about the other 85% ?)

- nearly 12 per cent were satisfied with its efforts to restore the tourism sector. (you know the question)

btw. the Bangkok Post headline for this poll is "Poll shows support for Abhisit" what isn't completely untrue, obviously there was big surprise that such a high numer like 36% trust in Abhisit and even 26 % thought the crackdown was okay.

[Jingthing]

Notice the Post isn't asking questions anywhere near as CLEAR as the polls here. Since they did NOT publish the entire poll with all the possible answers and results, I don't think you can conclude ANYTHING from that very poorly written Post article. If anyone has links for better reported recent polls, I would love to see them. Cheers.

Edited May 12, 2009 by Jingthing

[mc2]

good example why democracy is not perfect; the army stole 100 BILLION Baht during the coup, while Thaksin stole about 100 MILLION Baht

the coup was justified by the generals : to get rid of corruption and to increase political stability.

corruption has not been removed, just the beneficiaries have changed.

and political instability has increased.... so the coup has been a failure on these counts.

true political reform does not seem to have occurred.

what has occurred, as a result of the coup, is a political mess

Edited May 12, 2009 by mc2

[flying]

Notice the Post isn't asking questions anywhere near as CLEAR as the polls here.

[Jingthing]

and political instability has increased

Instigated

By

Thaksin

Period

[MJP]

Merely a guest here in the Land of Smiles. Not my country, not my politics, not my problem. Couldn't care a ling!

Flame away!

Why flame someone who has it right?

Flying,

How many coup d'état have been enjoyed in the Land of Smiles, well . . . since the first one. Nineteen and counting is it?

Surely it's another cultural tradition we should be celebrating?

[Jingthing]

Surely it's another cultural tradition we should be celebrating?

Like Songkran.

Without the violence!

[MJP]

Surely it's another cultural tradition we should be celebrating?

Like Songkran.

Without the violence!

I'll settle for 'without the water pistols'.

[HagenvonTronje]

Notice the Post isn't asking questions anywhere near as CLEAR as the polls here. Since they did NOT publish the entire poll with all the possible answers and results, I don't think you can conclude ANYTHING from that very poorly written Post article. If anyone has links for better reported recent polls, I would love to see them. Cheers.

mhm, Dude, and your figures?

most of all thai think ..., after Songkran Abhisit has fulll support now..., reds are finished now...et cetera and other wishful thinking. where did you get that from? dreams, right? wet dreams.

[Jingthing]

Abhisit was way down after Pattaya.

After Bangkok Songkran he was way up and he is still way up.

Thaksin is in the toilet.

I am not dreaming, You are not dreaming either. You are in DENIAL.

[Jingthing]

Merely a guest here in the Land of Smiles. Not my country, not my politics, not my problem. Couldn't care a ling!

Flame away!

Understandable I bet there were expats in Atlanta in 1860 who felt the same way ...

[HagenvonTronje]

Abhisit was way down after Pattaya.

After Bangkok Songkran he was way up and he is still way up.

Thaksin is in the toilet.

Dude, do you have any reference for this?

[oldsparrow]

IMO in 2 or 3 years more a bloodless coup would have become impossible.

Remember they were very clever to do it while Thakky was abroad, so they weren't completely incompetent.

OK sir I leave that EU theatre, just to show sample that the Coup is not the worst thing in politic.

Indeed, for some decades the Thais are coup specialists. Thai way, in the last 30 year not much blood on the Coup days except 1 ABC reporter by stray bullet in 1985.. Before that we had some shooting from the Prince Bavorndej attempt (You can see manument beyond Don Muang airport where they stop the Royalist troop at the train station) to the bombing and sinking of Manhattan Navy ship in Chaopraya River.

The different now is that there are organised public to achieve political aim of certain groups.

The military big men and other top brass normally know each other strength. When they move, they mean to control not to gamble in big clash.

If there is a new Coup, I am still of the opinion that there will not be much bloodshed but more bureaucratic action thereafter.

Many now regret that the 2006 Junta had been too soft and led to undecisive solution.

[oldsparrow]

Abhisit was way down after Pattaya. After Bangkok Songkran he was way up and he is still way up. Thaksin is in the toilet.

Dude, do you have any reference for this?

Sir, I hereby testify:

Abhisit was way down after Pattaya.

-- Indeed, he came back and hover DOWN to the BKK earth by helicopter.

After Bangkok Songkran he was way up and he is still way up.

-- Please turn on your TV on Sunday morning, the guy's weight is still UP UP UP.

Thaksin is in the toilet.

-- Every the fugitive has the right to get rid of his intestine's waste in the toilet.

[oldsparrow]

I am surprised one can ask Farang their opinions on Coup d' Etat !? But no surprise to see more "Support" vote...

Oh Believe me you need not ask these but you will get their opinion. Also as you say no surprise to see their support for a wrongful action. You can be sure if yet today another coup occurs today they will kick & scream at how wrong *this* coup is. The one good thing at the end of the day is that TL got it right where it matters most. These opinions will never count & these will never have a real vote & they will never truely own Thailand. If just these few rules can be kept at least then Thailand wont be completely lost to this selective thinking & suffer the fate of so many places that these same folks ran away from. Hey look I had an opinion :D

Thanks for your words

Yes, yes they can't do it too casually. After the 1992 Coup and the direct shooting of protesters many Thais believed that there won't be another one. Even before 1992 a Thai student in UK wrote a dissrtation stated that there shalt be no more coup in Thailand. He was recalled to correct his analysis before he can be graduated (not me).

Every new Coup is the Coup that ends all Coups we also said. I was surprised that many people who always talk idealistic were OK with the 2006 one, they were too fed up with Thaksin. And indeed, most unknown people who protest the 1992 military government were the yellow shirt.

What do you call? Just my two cents? IMHO, I think the evening of 12 April WAS another Coup almost completed. The PM just WON it by TV show that came so late. And now some people really want another Coup. Kill Sonthi, yellow shirts on the road, the red came to fight, blood spell and the military factions race for the move... then the middle man new PM can be the one who must be friendly to all include the self-exciled fugitive...

[oldsparrow]

The 2006 Coup certainly led to bad things namely: 2 bad governments of Samak and Somchai that did no work at all and created more rift.

Yeah, as both of these were Thaksin puppets, if Thaksin had behaved both would have never happened. So blame the coup or blame Thaksin for being a big troublemaker?

Yes, how come the red democracy lovers did not protest against the 2 gov that came right to power by military constitution??

Thaksin play ANY game and got naughty only when he lost, when he won everything is perfect.

[oldsparrow]

The 2006 Coup certainly led to bad things namely: 2 bad governments of Samak and Somchai that did no work at all and created more rift.

Yeah, as both of these were Thaksin puppets, if Thaksin had behaved both would have never happened. So blame the coup or blame Thaksin for being a big troublemaker?

Yes, how come the red democracy lovers did not protest against the 2 gov that came right to power by military constitution??

Thaksin play ANY game and got naughty only when he lost, when he won everything is perfect.

[dbrenn]

Never supported it. All that the meddling generals have achieved until now is set Thailand back years, scare away tourism and business investment, and reduce Thailand's standing abroad to the level of a South American banana republic. The population is divided, and there are endless demonstrations and riots.

Thaksin had his problems but the way to get rid of him was the ballot box.

[thaihome]

Never supported it. All that the meddling generals have achieved until now is set Thailand back years, scare away tourism and business investment, and reduce Thailand's standing abroad to the level of a South American banana republic. The population is divided, and there are endless demonstrations and riots.

Thaksin had his problems but the way to get rid of him was the ballot box.

Hyperbole at it worst. There is not a single fact in your statements. Business investment and tourism would be down anyway, there is no way to say how much, if any is due to the political instability. As far as a divided population, that is only in the imagination of the people like you that think Thaksin is actually a true populist and not actually the patron of a bunch of pissed feudal lords that have mobilized their clients into civil disobedience. The “endless demonstrations and riots” is an absolutely ludicrous statement that ignores the reality of the situation.

They couldn't get out by the ballot box, because he controlled the people that control the elections. When will you realize that.

TH

[rixalex]

Thaksin had his problems but the way to get rid of him was the ballot box.

In a fully working and functioning democracy, this would be true.

As it was though, Thaksin had complete control over the ballot box, which gave him the remit to do exactly as he pleased. Anyone who stood in his way was removed. Anyone who spoke out against him lost their job and faced legal action. He had a complete stranglehold on power. Removing him via the ballot box might have taken decades and at what cost? Another killing spree on supposed drug dealers perhaps?

Had Thaksin not abused his power and rigged the democratic process, a coup would have never happened - he gave birth to it and he's the one to thank for it.