July 20, 1969: 40 years ago Moon Landing Apollo 11

Were we Deceived; was the Moon Landing a Partial or Complete Hoax ?

President John F. Kennedy in May 1961, when he made the following famous speech:

"'I believe that this nation should commit itself. To achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to the Earth. No single space project in this period will be more impressive to mankind or more important for the long range exploration of Space.'"

It was just eight years later in 1969, that man finally left Earth and set foot on the Moon... Or so we have been led to believe.

I remember watching the launch and follow-up of the Apollo 11 mission to the Moon in July 1969. Hundreds of millions of people watched the launch LIVE and the whole world was extremely excited when America "won" the race over Russia's attempt (who were ahead of the Americans, back then) in the race to the first Moon Landing. (both countries backed-up and steered by "adopted" German scientists and rocket engineers after WW II in the race for the moon; men like Dr. Wernher von Braun )

Dr. Wernher von Braun

Von Braun standing at his desk at Marshall Space Flight Center in May 1964, with models of rockets developed and in progress.

Was it true.....did it really happen ?

Or was it true that President Nixon (as confirmed by his White House Staff, many years later) gave the order to the CIA that the landing had to be (faked)-filmed. (the CIA/Kissinger/Rumsfeld contacted Stanley Kubrick in his studios in London) in the event that the landing would fail....?

Failure of the Apollo 11 mission, for Nixon's US Administration, was NO option; it HAD TO succeed in order to withdraw attention away from the Vietnam war which was a huge headache for the US Government.

As you may remember, Stanley Kubrick filmed his masterpiece in 1968: 2001:A Space Odyssey which was mainly filmed in the London studios. Many of the details in that film, like the special moon suits, were later -partly- copied by NASA.

A (French) film/documentary* by director William Karel from 2002/03 about the mission was shown (again) on television this week; quite a serious documentary actually with interviews with some hi-so (then) White House staff members (Kissinger, Rumsfeld etc) confirming that they knew and also that Henry Kissinger, a.o. flew to London to talk to Kubrick who, at first, didn't want to cooperate but later took over the direction of the filming because it was so lousy done by the CIA members.

For millennia, humans could only gaze upon the moon from afar. For all the stories told about it, the moon seemed forever out of reach. Then, in May 1961, in the heat of the geopolitical rivalry between U.S. and the Soviet Union, President John Kennedy declared that we would be going there after all: "I believe that this nation should commit itself to the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to earth."

This photo, from earlier that May, shows Kennedy (center, foreground) watching a television broadcast of a space flight by astronaut Alan Shepard, accompanied by others including Vice President Lyndon Johnson (left, foreground) and First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy (right).

Photo by Photograph by Cecil Stoughton in the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum, Boston

From: Photos: The Apollo 11 moon landing http://news.cnet.com/2300-11386_3-10001190-1.html?tag=mncol

Apollo Moon Landing hoax conspiracy theories

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Moon_L...piracy_theories

Q: was it a hoax....a -partial- fake - or not ?

* Dark Side of the Moon (documentary)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Side_of_...n_(documentary)

LaoPo

Isn't there also a French documentary and/or book that says a passenger jet didn't fly into the Pentagon on 9/11? Some people take it seriously.

"I wouldn't have seen it if I hadn't believed it"

-- Marshall McLuhan

Some people think Superman does not exist, well here he is, in full flight......

But what do you think, did they indeed walked on the moon or not, and what makes you think they did or did not?

There are other moon related questions that are much more important.

I wouldn't ask Buzz Aldrin that question, if I were you.

I wouldn't ask Buzz Aldrin that question, if I were you.

Yes, it was mentioned in the documentary that Aldrin, after his moon trip, became an alcoholic and showed bad behavior. His wife and he confirmed that he was in bad shape for quite some years.

Why...? I don't know.

LaoPo

Well, it must be difficult to face the fact that you will never achieve anything higher than what you have already achieved. That that was your peak, your pinnacle and everything after that would be something far less than grand.

Absolutely agree with this, however he had one other major obstacle to get over, he wasn't the first man on the moon and he could never get over this fact.

Whereas Armstrong took pics of him, he was always too 'busy' to take pics of Armstrong, I believe although not entirely sure my memory serves me right, I read that in Lost Moon, by Jim Lovell.

There are actually very few pics of Armstrong walking on the moon, now I also understand that you can read a lot into that, but an elaborate hoax?

I dunno, I am a believer, but they do seem to have made little progress in 40 years!!!

I wouldn't ask Buzz Aldrin that question, if I were you.

Commonly known as a 'John Prescott Punch', the only thing wrong with it is, he didn't follow it up with a left hook to the ribs

I dunno, I am a believer, but they do seem to have made little progress in 40 years!!!

Yup, if it happened or not it hasn't turned out to be a giant leap for mankind has it.

I said at the time, and I say again now - it was all a hoax.

With the techniques nowadays for analysing film footage it is not possible to repeat the hoax, but in the sixties things were far less developed and people believed what they saw on TV.

I was working in London's West End at the time and I, and all my co-workers, considered it to be a fabrication by Hollywood.

New NASA photos show Apollo leftovers on moon

July 18, 2009 - 9:19AM .

New NASA photos of the moon show leftovers from man's exploration 40 years ago.

For the first time, photos from space pinpoint equipment left behind from the Apollo landings, and even the well-worn tracks made by astronauts on the moon surface. The images are from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, which was launched last month and now circles the moon in search of future landing sites.

The photos were released on Friday, in time for the 40th anniversary of the first moon landing on July 20, 1969. A picture of the Apollo 11 site shows the Eagle lunar module used by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin.

``It was really great to see the hardware sitting on the surface, waiting for us to come back,'' said Arizona State University scientist Mark Robinson, who runs the camera on the orbiter. ``You could actually see the descent module sitting on the surface.''

But that's only if you know where to look. NASA helps out by putting a giant arrow on each photo. The lunar landers look to be square white blobs; the Eagle is a fuzzy image near a crater.

NASA landed on the moon six times, but the orbital camera so far has only photographed five of the landing sites. Apollo 12 will be done later. That leaves Apollo 11 and Apollo 14 through 17. Apollo

13 never landed on the moon because of an explosion on board the ship on the way there.

The images for Apollo 14 are the best so far. Taken on Wednesday, they show the path made by astronauts Alan Shepard Jr and Edgar Mitchell as they went back and forth from the lander to the work site.

Robinson said the route was ``a high traffic zone, sort of like when you go in an old building and the carpet is worn down''. A similar but lighter path could be seen at the Apollo 17 site.

Also at the Apollo 14 site, a close examination shows a trail made by the cart used to carry tools, Robinson said.

The photos varied in quality based on how high up the satellite was and the angle of the sun. For Apollo 11, the spaceship was taking pictures from 110km above. For Apollo 14, it was 10km closer.

In the next couple months, as the lunar satellite starts its mission to map the moon for future landing sites for astronauts, it will get much better photos, Robinson said. The mission is a first step in NASA's effort to return humans to the moon by 2020.

Other robotic probes, including those launched by Japan and India, have looked for signs that man was on the moon, but their cameras weren't strong enough, NASA officials said.

The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter was launched with a second spacecraft that was designed to crash into the moon in the fall to try to find buried ice. The total cost of the mission is $US583 million ($A724 million).

AP

Have you looked at the snaps? It is pathetic what they show. They send a multimillion dollar costing apparatus and don't place a decent camera in them, come on.

At the height of the cold war, with intense competition between the US and the Soviets in space, do you think that the Russians, who were easily capable of tracking the American spacecraft, would not have called the bluff if it were a hoax?

What State couldn't the Russians hit on a clear day? 'Or was that just a film script?

Personally I'm a believer, but as with all good conspiracy theories some evidence seems to be shown to the contrary.

Maybe a few "set stills" were included to enhance the viewers entertainment. Will we ever know?

Regards.

Our Moon is the only moon in our solar system without a nice name, it is not fair

Our Moon is the only moon in our solar system without a nice name, it is not fair

Luna?

The proper English name for Earth's natural satellite is, simply, the Moon (capitalized).[8][9] Moon is a Germanic word, related to the Latin mensis (month). It is ultimately a derivative of the Proto-Indo-European root me-, also represented in measure[10] (time), with reminders of its importance in measuring time in words derived from it like Monday, month and menstrual. The related adjective is lunar, as well as an adjectival prefix seleno- and suffix -selene (from selēnē, σελήνη, the Ancient Greek word for the Moon). In English, the word moon exclusively meant "the Moon" until 1665, when it was extended to refer to the recently discovered natural satellites of other planets.[10] Subsequently, these objects were given distinct names in order to avoid confusion.[9] The Moon is occasionally referred to by its Latin name Luna. (from Wikipedia)

A man is innocent until proven guilty therefore a claim is correct until soliod uncontrevertable proof is presented to prove otherwise.

I have it on strong evidence that Elvis murdered Michael Jackson because he wants to remain the King!

Now prove me wrong.

Conspiracy theories are merely unsubstantiated rumours, nothing more than figments of the imaginations of failed wannabee's.

I said at the time, and I say again now - it was all a hoax.

With the techniques nowadays for analysing film footage it is not possible to repeat the hoax, but in the sixties things were far less developed and people believed what they saw on TV.

I was working in London's West End at the time and I, and all my co-workers, considered it to be a fabrication by Hollywood.

In the UK* actually; in the studios where the complete settings from Stanley Kubrick's movie: "2001: A Space Odyssey" in 1968 were still completely intact. They started filming 2001: A Space Odyssey already in 1965, 4 years before the Apollo 11 mission.

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_(film)#Filming

The point is that it's perhaps possible that the Apollo 11 landed indeed on the moon. It is however to be doubted if the images were indeed transmitted from the moon. We shouldn't forget that it was 1969, some 40 years ago, long before mobile/cell phones, PC computers, Internet, and digital cameras.

It is beyond doubt according to all sources that Nixon gave the CIA permission to secretly film the "landing and images" of the Apollo 11 in Kubrick's studios in the UK.

Richard M. Helms, Director of the CIA between 1966-1973 confirmed it in the documentary I talked about before. The same confirmation was filmed from Henry Kissinger who explained how that trip took place (to London) to try and persuade Kubrick to do the "fake" filming of the Apollo 11 landing.

The message by NASA, posted by Old Croc, that they now have photos of the Apollo leftovers on the moon, proving that the Apollo 11 remainders have been found, is a little odd, coming just before the 40th anniversary of the moonlanding, isn't it ?

How can anybody prove it is not true ?

It's a bit difficult to prove by booking a ticket to the moon and watch and take photos yourself, isn't it?

Hey....how many times have we already been fooled by our own governments ?

LaoPo

Here's the proof that the Apollo 11 landed on the moon!:

In 2009 the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter* imaged the various Apollo landing sites on the surface of the moon with sufficient resolution to see the descent stages of the lunar modules, scientific instruments, and foot trails made by the astronauts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11#Spacecraft_location

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Reconna...Orbiter#Imagery Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter - moon images

LaoPo

Here's the proof that the Apollo 11 landed on the moon!:

In 2009 the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter* imaged the various Apollo landing sites on the surface of the moon with sufficient resolution to see the descent stages of the lunar modules, scientific instruments, and foot trails made by the astronauts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11#Spacecraft_location

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Reconna...Orbiter#Imagery Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter - moon images

LaoPo

Photoshop !!!

I said at the time, and I say again now - it was all a hoax.

With the techniques nowadays for analysing film footage it is not possible to repeat the hoax, but in the sixties things were far less developed and people believed what they saw on TV.

I was working in London's West End at the time and I, and all my co-workers, considered it to be a fabrication by Hollywood.

In the UK* actually;

In the UK, by Hollywood.

I said at the time, and I say again now - it was all a hoax.

With the techniques nowadays for analysing film footage it is not possible to repeat the hoax, but in the sixties things were far less developed and people believed what they saw on TV.

I was working in London's West End at the time and I, and all my co-workers, considered it to be a fabrication by Hollywood.

In the UK* actually;

In the UK, by Hollywood.

...well...* Stanley Kubrick (who allegedly filmed the copied moon landing) was an American, who was born in a Manhattan/NY hospital and was born from parents who were of Jewish Austro-Hungarian and Polish origin, and who lived most of his life in England and even died (and buried) there, we can hardly speak of "Hollywood" anymore, can we ?

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Kubrick Kubrick was, no doubt, one of the greatest movie directors, producers and screenwriters ever

LaoPo

When I saw the title of this thread, I immediately thought 'Moss is at it again!'

(Oh dear. Sorry Moss. )

As you all might know by now, I have been working in the secret services for a long time. I have access to classified material on all levels and departments. You need to know that Millions of pictures have been taken of the moon but only a small % has been made available to the public and there is a reason for it.

I am willing to post some "Secret" pictures but first would like to ask you all that if I release some of them here, it will stay here.

Something like what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

Not sure if the naysayers are interested in science but the Discovery show Mythbusters covered the topic of the hoax claims of the moon landing last year. Watched it last night and I must say, their science is far more convincing than claims of "me and my mates decided"

Just a few short ones, but I am sure if anyone is interested in actually viewing it they can find more by googling Mythbusters Apollo 11 hoax.

yep, I saw that too sbk and they did a great job.

Gotta love the mythbusters.

There was an email circulating earlier this year that took apart released footage of a Chinese space walk, there were many small tell-tales that indicated it was a hoax, the sound quaility (too good) small bubbles of air seen in the water tank and the projected image of The Earth in the background. I doubt that a 1969 hoax would be able to stand up to modern de-bunking. As for the problems of the astronaunts on their return, when the human mind has seen everything there is to see and know how small we are I guess it would have some impact.

How many people have walked on the moon?

How many people have walked on the moon?

"To this day, twelve people have walked across the moon's terrain."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing#Manned_landings

LaoPo

When I saw the title of this thread, I immediately thought 'Moss is at it again!'

(Oh dear. Sorry Moss. )

I have not been actively trolling for a while

How many people have walked on the moon?

Everyone knows there were 18, oh hang on, one on each mission had to stay in the craft, just to stop the Martians stealing the keys