My question is directly to you UG.

Why does the FBI not include 9/11 as a reason to capture dead or alive Bin Laden.

Why?

Your reply shows you have no idea, but you insist BL was directly involved in those attacks. What other information do you have that the CIA and FBI have not?

Have you been involved in those attacks and therefore can claim some kind of inside knowledge?

 Once again, bin Laden himself has admitted that he was directly involved with the attacks.  Isn't that enough?

Bonobo please show proof.

The first two videos showed he denied any involvement.

The third video showed a very different looking BL claiming the attacks and even describing the pancake collapse.

Something is wrong there.

Here is what the FBI says about OBL:

USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998, BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE. IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

Please read the last sentence to clarify your question. They have included 9/11 and other terrorist attacks with that caveat.

Of course.

Bonobo please show proof and please include the first two videos where you can clearly see the difference between the two Bin Ladens.

IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

A suspect means not proven .

Do you know this sentence have been added just recently?

Here is a question for you. Why do you and your cronies continually post questions about things that you must already know are highly suspect or just not true?

You must have known about the Taliban's demands and that the FBI wanted-notice DID refer to 9/11, but you pretended otherwise.

That is why no one with any sense takes any of you guy's nutty theories seriously.

Bonobo please show proof and please include the first two videos where you can clearly see the difference between the two Bin Ladens.

IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

A suspect means not proven .

Do you know this sentence have been added just recently?

First up on the google:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100325/ap_on_...ea/ml_bin_laden

And if there was anything fishy about the videos, don't you think that someone in his camp would have objected?

UG just go back to your foodie topic. You have never answered one of my questions. Please leave. you have nothing to add.

They demanded that we "prove" his guilt to them first. Trying to prove that a terrorist committed a crime in the US to the Taliban would be about as easy as getting Harcourt to admit that the USA is not as evil as the Great Leap Forward was.

I just answered TWO of your silly questions and we all knew the answers already. You really get touchy when someone points out that you are completely full of __it.

Do you know this sentence have been added just recently?

Whoop-de-doo. Well, that certainly proves that you are right.

Here is a question for you. Why do you and your cronies continually post questions about things that you must already know are highly suspect or just not true?

You must have known about the Taliban's demands and that the FBI wanted-notice DID refer to 9/11, but you pretended otherwise.

You just misrepresented two different situations and you had to know that you were doing it. Why don't you answer one of our questions for a change?

Let me point out one simple and verifiable manner in which policies of our government have a direct impact on me.

I receive part of my retirement in the form of a direct deposit into my bank account.

On 3 March 2009 the exchange rate was 36.18 baht per US dollar. The rate of exchange this month was 32.52 baht per US dollar.

This constitutes a drop of 3.66 baht per US dollar for a net loss to me of 10.12% and is directly attributable to the fiscal policies of this administration.

I feel I have every right to vote for anybody or any group that has a 10% per annum negative affect on my quality of life.

Yes Chuck it is true what you say here but............( you knew there would be a but right? )

Yet you are paying for all your expenses in Baht & enjoy a nice bump that way that we back here do not yes?

OK, I understand your point now. I don't agree with it, but I do understand what you are writing and why.

Even while living in Thailand, I am affected by the VA, by the IRS, and the Social Security Administration.

So even if I am in Thailand, I believe I have the vested interest to vote for national, state, and local politicians who can best reflect my positions, and to make sure my vote is tallied on local and sate propositions.

It is true & like I said it is just my opinion but...........

Lets look at this idiotic Health Care Bill as a clear example.

I am not saying any of you are crazy enough to have pushed for it but you could have as voters....

Yet you do not need to eat it like we here will. You will be Exempt

( well at least if you stay out of the US 330 days a year AFAIK )

Which is in line with my definition of an expat

How about this......As expat voters you can no longer be exempt from ANYTHING US policy wise.......

Would that sit all right?

They demanded that we "prove" his guilt to them first. Trying to prove that a terrorist committed a crime in the US to the Taliban would be about as easy as getting Harcourt to admit that the USA is not as evil as the Great Leap Forward was.

I hereby state that the US is not as evil as The Great Leap Forward was.

There, that was easy.

(Which is not to say that The Great Leap Forward was "evil", as such, since "evil" is subjective and a matter of opinion. There is no universal definition of "evil".)

Technically, by international law, the Taliban had a point. A lynch mob is at the door demanding the handover of a suspect. They had reasonable belief that the suspect would not be treated fairly or in accordance with the law by the lynch mob, so they suggested a 3rd party venue. The lynch mob chose to just barge on in.

(Which is not to say that The Great Leap Forward was "evil", as such, since "evil" is subjective and a matter of opinion. There is no universal definition of "evil".)

It looks like some people are willing to justify the Great Leap Forward right along with terrorism and the Taliban, but even Mao himself apologized for the Great Leap. It is funny how you are not so non-judgemental when it comes to the USA and Israel.

That poor Charles Manson. His mommy didn't hug him enough when he was a child!

They demanded that we "prove" his guilt to them first. Trying to prove that a terrorist committed a crime in the US to the Taliban would be about as easy as getting Harcourt to admit that the USA is not as evil as the Great Leap Forward was.

Technically, by international law, the Taliban had a point. A lynch mob is at the door demanding the handover of a suspect. They had reasonable belief that the suspect would not be treated fairly or in accordance with the law by the lynch mob, so they suggested a 3rd party venue. The lynch mob chose to just barge on in.

Please define lynch mob. Is it the U.S.? And who is it that the lynch mob was demanding to be handed over by the Taliban?

It is true & like I said it is just my opinion but...........

Lets look at this idiotic Health Care Bill as a clear example.

I am not saying any of you are crazy enough to have pushed for it but you could have as voters....

Yet you do not need to eat it like we here will. You will be Exempt

( well at least if you stay out of the US 330 days a year AFAIK )

Which is in line with my definition of an expat

How about this......As expat voters you can no longer be exempt from ANYTHING US policy wise.......

Would that sit all right?

Your main point does have some rational logic behind it, and I can certainly understand your feelings.  I just disagree with them.

And if I, as an expat, was not exempt from anything US policy-wise, I could live with that.

(And to further throw myself in your doghouse, I might have voted for the health care bill.  I have for years thought that we needed something.  Even with it's faults, I think Canada's system is far superior than ours. I will admit ignorance, though on this one.  I was unlucky enough to be wounded in combat, but that ended up making me lucky enough to have full VA coverage, so maybe it was a case of I've got mine.  So while I was aware of the votes and such and what was going on, I never really looked closely enough at the specifics.)

(Which is not to say that The Great Leap Forward was "evil", as such, since "evil" is subjective and a matter of opinion. There is no universal definition of "evil".)

It looks like some people are willing to justify the Great Leap Forward right along with terrorism and the Taliban, but even Mao himself apologized for the Great Leap. It is funny how you are not so non-judgemental when it comes to the USA and Israel.

That poor Charles Manson. His mommy didn't hug him enough when he was a child!

You are so intent on finding fault that you make yourself look simple. If you read what I wrote with an open mind, or with some comprehension, you would have realised that I was making a point about the definition of "evil". That's why I used "as such, since....". That is not "justifying" anything.

From Wiki:"......A fundamental question is whether there is a universal, transcendent definition of evil, or whether evil is determined by one's social or cultural background........Views on the nature of evil tend to fall into one of four opposed camps: Moral absolutism holds that good and evil are fixed concepts......Amoralism claims that good and evil are meaningless, that there is no moral ingredient in nature........Moral relativism holds that standards of good and evil are only products of local culture, custom, or prejudice...........Moral universalism is the attempt to find a compromise between the absolutist sense of morality, and the relativist view......

Another point you missed was that I said America is not evil, whatever evil means. I'm not sure where you got the idea from that I think America is evil. I have never said so.

They demanded that we "prove" his guilt to them first. Trying to prove that a terrorist committed a crime in the US to the Taliban would be about as easy as getting Harcourt to admit that the USA is not as evil as the Great Leap Forward was.

Technically, by international law, the Taliban had a point. A lynch mob is at the door demanding the handover of a suspect. They had reasonable belief that the suspect would not be treated fairly or in accordance with the law by the lynch mob, so they suggested a 3rd party venue. The lynch mob chose to just barge on in.

Please define lynch mob. Is it the U.S.? And who is it that the lynch mob was demanding to be handed over by the Taliban?

I suggest you read the previous dozen or so posts.

Your main point does have some rational logic behind it, and I can certainly understand your feelings.  I just disagree with them.

And if I, as an expat, was not exempt from anything US policy-wise, I could live with that.

(And to further throw myself in your doghouse, I might have voted for the health care bill.  I have for years thought that we needed something.  Even with it's faults, I think Canada's system is far superior than ours. I will admit ignorance, though on this one.  I was unlucky enough to be wounded in combat, but that ended up making me lucky enough to have full VA coverage, so maybe it was a case of I've got mine.  So while I was aware of the votes and such and what was going on, I never really looked closely enough at the specifics.)

Thats cool & I agree with some of yours too...

Meaning I think it of course would be fine both ways if it was equal & expats were not exempt from anything they helped bake.

As for the health bill.....who knows eh? But I do know in all my life I have never seen anyone turned down in the US for care....ever!

I do see though that now all will be taxed till 2014 when supposedly something will begin to happen...

( since when do we pay now & fly later? )

But even then I wonder what that something is & who it benefits since as I said it was never a problem to get health care before...But it seems now if this goes through many doctors may decide it better to practice elsewhere. Or just reject those that have this new welfare/health card.

BTW I pay $330 a month for a nice plan that takes care of anything my wife & I need now. I could pay more if I wanted but this plan is fine. Still I pay more than most since most have health insurance as mandated by law through their employer. I have always been self employed as a contractor so buy my own.

I too agree Canada seems to have a decent system but we are not Canada & this thing they passed will not resemble that at all.

Also to look at any govt. managed system whether it be the post office ( who could lose with that eh? ) or Social Security..Medicare etc & see how well the Govt has done running those....FAIL

Or running government itself.... well we all wait with baited breath here to see how their track record will miraculously change for the better & we all live happily ever after... buying something we did not want & being penalized if we dont buy it......Ah Let Freedom Ring eh?

Is it too much to ask our elected govt to be fiscally responsible? Do they not ask us to be? Let them buy what they can afford.

Citizens...& expats today seem to not have a grasp on this magic bottomless govt. checkbook. They think it must be fine because their govt can print $$$ till the cows come home & who cares right?

Before yesterday they could not afford the skirmishes they have going in a few countries...They cannot afford all the bases & presence they hold around the world...They cannot afford this health bill...They cannot afford the size of govt they have ect. ect. etc.

Yet they continue to spend what they do not have....Most think it is just paper & a few know it is their children's futures

Perhaps they need a nice lay away plan

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Flying,

I do not disagree that the government checkbook is too easily opened.  Iraq was a huge and unnecessary expense (in lives and money).  Subsidies for ethanol when each barrel of it costs 1.3 barrels of oil to produce.  "Bridges to nowhere."

BUt some expenses are necessary and to the public good.  I put Afghanistan as a necessary expense.  Even the much decried bank bailout, while I wasn't too sure at first, has been paid back with interest.  

And the government can effect the direction of the nation by judicious use of that checkbook.  Subsidies for wind power, for example, would be a good thing where the conditions are right for it.

For me, the medical system was bust.  I have been self-employed in the US for some time.  My insurance costs were $1,200 per month (up from $341 in seven years.)  I went in with a lingering sore throat, and I came out with a bill for $2,500 that I had to pay out of my pocket as my insurance said most of the costs were preventative, not direct treatment.  I had a neighbor who had to divorce his wife so they wouldn't lose their house over his cancer treatment (they still lived together, but were legally divorced.)

As I wrote, I don't really know the specifics of this bill, so I can't comment on it.  It may be a great bill or a horrible one, but it probably is somewhere in between.

Let me point out one simple and verifiable manner in which policies of our government have a direct impact on me.

I receive part of my retirement in the form of a direct deposit into my bank account.

On 3 March 2009 the exchange rate was 36.18 baht per US dollar. The rate of exchange this month was 32.52 baht per US dollar.

This constitutes a drop of 3.66 baht per US dollar for a net loss to me of 10.12% and is directly attributable to the fiscal policies of this administration.

I feel I have every right to vote for anybody or any group that has a 10% per annum negative affect on my quality of life.

Yes Chuck it is true what you say here but............( you knew there would be a but right? )

Yet you are paying for all your expenses in Baht & enjoy a nice bump that way that we back here do not yes?

OK, I understand your point now. I don't agree with it, but I do understand what you are writing and why.

Even while living in Thailand, I am affected by the VA, by the IRS, and the Social Security Administration.

So even if I am in Thailand, I believe I have the vested interest to vote for national, state, and local politicians who can best reflect my positions, and to make sure my vote is tallied on local and sate propositions.

It is true & like I said it is just my opinion but...........

Lets look at this idiotic Health Care Bill as a clear example.

I am not saying any of you are crazy enough to have pushed for it but you could have as voters....

Yet you do not need to eat it like we here will. You will be Exempt

( well at least if you stay out of the US 330 days a year AFAIK )

Which is in line with my definition of an expat

How about this......As expat voters you can no longer be exempt from ANYTHING US policy wise.......

Would that sit all right?

....and you had to know there would be my reBUTtal as well.

Many costs are rising here as they are in the US. Diesel fuel for my pickup is costing me $3.47 per gallon, Gasoline for my car is now $4.54 per gallon, Jif peanut butter (18 oz) is $5.56, Welch's grape jelly (12 oz) is $3.07, milk (1 lt) is $2.65 and a loaf of bread is $.80. Luckily I can still get a small bottle of rot-gut Thai whiskey for $2.46.

How can you say I get a bump simply because I pay in baht? I am receiving 10.12% baht per dollar less than I was before Obama took over, thus REDUCING my purchasing power.

I know your other statement about health care is addressed to Mr. Bonobo, but may I add a little bit. Medicare and Medicaid benefits are not now and never have been available out of the US. My question is, since Obamacare mandates, unconstitutionally I might add, that every citizen must purchase health care, does that include those of us overseas? If I am unable to secure coverage due to my age, will the government option cover me even though Medicare and Medicaid will not since I am overseas?

Just for the record, many of my friends are overseas and NONE of them approved this Obamanation called health reform.

Guess what? Nearly all of them vote absentee.

Flying,

I do not disagree that the government checkbook is too easily opened.  Iraq was a huge and unnecessary expense (in lives and money).  Subsidies for ethanol when each barrel of it costs 1.3 barrels of oil to produce.  "Bridges to nowhere."

BUt some expenses are necessary and to the public good.  I put Afghanistan as a necessary expense.  Even the much decried bank bailout, while I wasn't too sure at first, has been paid back with interest.  

And the government can effect the direction of the nation by judicious use of that checkbook.  Subsidies for wind power, for example, would be a good thing where the conditions are right for it.

Well while I see what could be good I still see it as slight of hand.

When you say check book too easily opened.... Who has such a magic book that has no register or balance?

Who else can write a check on a negative balance?

As for the TARP yes some has been repaid & at what cost? We bailed the crooks who immediately took that $$ to the casino. The amount was such that they could in fact move the market/casino & yes have repaid some & even gave millions in bonuses to their workers...The same ones we bailed only a year earlier.

Yet the 14 million or so who lost their jobs over this slight of hand get no bonus. We did not in reality see any good from TARP at all ...What we saw was one of the.. if not the greatest transfer of wealth in out lives.

So yes the govt did affect the direction of a nation & we have not stopped falling from it yet.

What was it last month 50,000 more jobs?

Lastly it goes without saying..I'm sure that you know I would be against Iraq spending same as you but feel the same for the other...Afghanistan.

Why wouldn't I? Is the billions spent per month the cost of security/safety? From that??? You do not really believe that do you?

....and you had to know there would be my reBUTtal as well.

Many costs are rising here as they are in the US. Diesel fuel for my pickup is costing me $3.47 per gallon, Gasoline for my car is now $4.54 per gallon, Jif peanut butter (18 oz) is $5.56, Welch's grape jelly (12 oz) is $3.07, milk (1 lt) is $2.65 and a loaf of bread is $.80. Luckily I can still get a small bottle of rot-gut Thai whiskey for $2.46.

How can you say I get a bump simply because I pay in baht? I am receiving 10.12% baht per dollar less than I was before Obama took over, thus REDUCING my purchasing power.

I know your other statement about health care is addressed to Mr. Bonobo, but may I add a little bit. Medicare and Medicaid benefits are not now and never have been available out of the US. My question is, since Obamacare mandates, unconstitutionally I might add, that every citizen must purchase health care, does that include those of us overseas? If I am unable to secure coverage due to my age, will the government option cover me even though Medicare and Medicaid will not since I am overseas?

Just for the record, many of my friends are overseas and NONE of them approved this Obamanation called health reform.

Guess what? Nearly all of them vote absentee.

Well yes it is not surprising that gas & oil is the same price since it is pegged to the US dollar eh? Although it does make you wonder how the electricity is priced so much better there than the US.

As for your food stuffs Dude when in Rome I see you get it with the whiskey though...You need to get a bit more native or come home....Then again bread is $6 a loaf now here & milk is $5 a gallon. Not that I am a giant fan of those two things but, I do realize folks use it as a measure for as long as I can remember.

Just kidding with you but what I meant was the obvious savings on most food & shelter there.

Which is why I have a condo, some land & a home there too. Aside from of course it being my wifes home country I appreciate the lower cost of living generally.

You know I agree with you on the Health Care of course It does remain to be seen what the nuts will decide for you too.

I have *heard* that 330 day rule may exempt you if you stay away at least that per year.

For the record, I am against TARP, Stimulus, czars, government welfare, etc., etc., etc.

Correction on my previous post. The cost of milk stated in that post should be for 2 liters, not 1. Milk costs me $5.03 per gallon and I don't appreciate your attempt to get me off my peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. I eat mostly local foods anyway. Just occasionally dabble in the high priced farang food.

For the record, I am against TARP, Stimulus, czars, government welfare, etc., etc., etc.

Correction on my previous post. The cost of milk stated in that post should be for 2 liters, not 1. Milk costs me $5.03 per gallon and I don't appreciate your attempt to get me off my peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. I eat mostly local foods anyway. Just occasionally dabble in the high priced farang food.

See I guess we are similar in a few ways......

I am for the same record as you & love my PB too. Although I eat Adams brand now. Seems better than JIF & Skippy.

It is just peanuts & they do not swap the oil out for that funny cotton seed stuff. But you do have to mix it the 1st time you use it

Lets look at this idiotic Health Care Bill as a clear example.

I am not saying any of you are crazy enough to have pushed for it but you could have as voters....

Yet you do not need to eat it like we here will. You will be Exempt

( well at least if you stay out of the US 330 days a year AFAIK )

Which is in line with my definition of an expat

I work for an American company, get paid in American via direct deposit to my American bank. I haven't been back to the USA since 2005 (2006 if you want to get technical and count Guam). Will I still be penalized for not having American insurance? I never had it when I lived in Europe or Thailand. I guess I'll need it now though.

I do see though that now all will be taxed till 2014 when supposedly something will begin to happen...

( since when do we pay now & fly later? )

Can gov't be trusted not to use this 4 years of tax money on something else? Maybe just a little bit of it? They've raided Social Security afterall.

For the record, I am against TARP, Stimulus, czars, government welfare, etc., etc., etc.

Correction on my previous post. The cost of milk stated in that post should be for 2 liters, not 1. Milk costs me $5.03 per gallon and I don't appreciate your attempt to get me off my peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. I eat mostly local foods anyway. Just occasionally dabble in the high priced farang food.

See I guess we are similar in a few ways......

I am for the same record as you & love my PB too. Although I eat Adams brand now. Seems better than JIF & Skippy.

It is just peanuts & they do not swap the oil out for that funny cotton seed stuff. But you do have to mix it the 1st time you use it

If I ever end up on death row and am granted a last meal it will be triple decker PB & J's. OK, maybe I'd change my mind when the time came but right now it sounds pretty dam_n good.

You don't have to pay for insurance in America if you live overseas.

Nah, just came home hoping to read Chuck his thesis on why he thinks it were the communists that are to blame for this anti Americanism and there is not a thing.

Well, here it is, Alex. You guys can now have a good laugh. If you disagree, though, please try and come up with another scenario. Don't simply argue for the sake of argument.

In 1956, Israel invaded the Sinai while Britain and France seized the Suez Canal, which the Egyptian government of Gamal Abdul Nasser had nationalized. The Eisenhower administration intervened against Israel and on the side of Egypt. Under U.S. pressure, the British, French and Israelis were forced to withdraw.

In spite of this intervention, Nasser entered into a series of major agreements with the Soviet Union. Egypt effectively became a Soviet ally, the recipient of massive Soviet aid and a center of anti-American rhetoric. Whatever his reasons, and they had to do with U.S. unwillingness to give Egypt massive aid, Egypt’s anti-American attitude had nothing to do with the Israelis.

Two major political events took place in 1963: political coups in Syria and Iraq that brought the Baathist Party to power in both countries. Both regimes were pro-Soviet and anti-American, but neither could have been responding to U.S. support for Israel because there was very little at that time.

In 1964, Washington gave Cairo the first significant U.S. military aid in the form of Hawk missiles, but it gave those to other Arab countries, too, in response to the coups in Iraq and Syria. The United States feared the Soviets would base fighters in those two countries, so it began installing anti-air systems to try to block potential Soviet airstrikes on Saudi Arabia.

In 1967, France, who was the biggest arms supplier to Israel at that time, broke with Israel over the Arab-Israeli conflict and the United States began significant aid to Israel. In 1974, after the Syrian and Egyptian attack on Israel, the U.S. began massive assistance.

The point is that the United States was not actively involved in supporting Israel prior to 1967, yet anti-Americanism in the Arab world was rife. The Arabs might have blamed the United States for Israel, but there was little basis for this claim. U.S. aid commenced on a relatively small scale in 1967 and surged in 1974 after the Syrian/Egyptian attack in 1973.

In summary, anti-Americanism in the Middle East began in 1956 with Egypt, a Russian ally in armament and trade. It then grew even louder in 1963 with the coups in both Syria and Iraq, again leaving Russian allied dictatorships in place. All strident in their anti-Americanism and fervent in their support for Russia, who was their paymaster.

In recent years, the Arabs have taken the Palestinian issue as their anti-American rallying point, but it really had nothing to do with the original anti-Americanism of the Arabs in 1956.

I do see though that now all will be taxed till 2014 when supposedly something will begin to happen...

( since when do we pay now & fly later? )

Can gov't be trusted not to use this 4 years of tax money on something else? Maybe just a little bit of it? They've raided Social Security afterall.

Well I think we know the answer to that one eh?

I mean our fiscally irresponsible has been on the steal from Peter to pay Paul for so long now...

Basically all our taxes can really service is interest on growing debt & not even that as it falls way short of even that task.

If I ever end up on death row and am granted a last meal it will be triple decker PB & J's. OK, maybe I'd change my mind when the time came but right now it sounds pretty dam_n good.