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So you doubt Iran's intentions?

Anyone with more than half a brain knows...

..why Iran really wants a nuclear reactor.

Keep on Spinning! :)

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Ahmadinejad has denied the Holocaust, repeatedly called for the destruction of Israel.

Sorry but this is incorrect.

Ahmadinejad has questioned the number of Jews gassed or died in other ways in concentration (labor) camps. He asked why it is not allowed to study the archives sealed in some country.

He did not and never called for the destruction of Israel, what did he say?

Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).

Even you UG must admit that rezhim sounds very close to regime.

So what did he say: "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".

Again here someone points out to foreign policy and the people that make it.

I have had Israeli and Palestinians in one class and they said they are just sick of governments steering their own agenda making people hate each other.

But what can they do?

They ask, can we just live and trade together without these fukcheads interfering?

But it seems like some here could be family or supporters of Douglas Feith, another right wing loony just like Bolton and a few others in the current administration.

Edit: Sorry I mean there are now others in the current admin that think similar.

“no doubt the new wave [of attacks] in Palestine will soon wipe off this disgraceful blot from the face of the Islamic world.”as2.gif Mahmud Ahmadinejad

“Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury,”

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Ok Kohee, you are soon going to retreat with your tail between your legs.

Please give a link to the original speech and I will translate.

You have not read my comment did you?

Do you now understand that in that speech he was not asking to wipe Israel from the face of the earth but just asking to get the regime removed?

Yes or no?

Ok Kohee, you are soon going to retreat with your tail between your legs.

Please give a link to the original speech and I will translate.

You have not read my comment did you?

Do you now understand that in that speech he was not asking to wipe Israel from the face of the earth but just asking to get the regime removed?

Yes or no?

Alex:

It appears Wikipedia has already provided the translation you seem so proud of.

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The translation presented by IRNA has been challenged by Arash Norouzi, who says the statement "wiped off the map" was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem". In his own words:

So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in Persian:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original Persian quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel"

The full quote translated directly to English: "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".

Word by word translation: Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from)..[11][12]

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...and the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel

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Holocaust remarks follow:

"They have created a myth today that they call the massacre of Jews and they consider it a principle above God, religions and the prophets," he said.

On live TV, he called for Europe or North America - even Alaska - to host a Jewish state, not the Middle East.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4527142.stm

and another one:

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2149241,00.html

Chuck I am waiting for Kohees allegation and source to the original speech or admission he was wrong and influenced by the MSM and wonder why you so often quote Wiki as a (reliable) source?

Are you by chance one of those retired Generals as mentioned in the NYT??

:)

You are getting awful pedantic. There is no doubt about what he wants to do to Israel and what he is doing to his own people.

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If we were to judge by action & not words/propaganda we would see one glaring fact as to who has actually used nukes in anger/retaliation.

I have to call you on this one, Mr. Flying.

The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were done neither in anger or retaliation. If that had been the case, why did we stop with only two? We could have bombed Japan back into the stone ages and we didn't.

The bombings were done to grab the attention of the Emperor and the Military of Japan and prove to them there was no way out, other than complete unconditional surrender.

That is no problem chuck & I see what your saying but............ :D

We can also use your example then......

They used the nuke.....

to grab the attention of the Emperor and the Military of Japan and prove to them there was no way out,

Still no better & still the only one to use such a device knowing full well in advance the fallout from it. In fact if weather patterns had been different it could have been even worse.

Whether used in what would be termed anger/retaliation or as you said used to grab attention & prove a point makes no difference to me.

In fact your definition sounds more like the one a terrorist would use...Prove a Point.... Grab attention etc.

The use of any nuke device shows disregard for the fallout that occurs after. There is not way to control it or its damages both in the time of use nor the future. The use of a nuke shows disregard for the world.

So.............Let me be clear as I see UG going sideways ( he was actually better as a 1 liner ) :)

Let me say I know full well evil exists in many places around this globe. I know full well that I would prefer none had nukes nor a cold. But it is out of the box & there is no putting it back. Many "preemptive" actions these days create terrorism not the opposite as general thinking would suggest.

We as in the US have spent our way into a depression & it WILL get worse....much worse. We will soon regret our stupidity at chasing our tails. This is no different than any number of other nuts already having what we claim to fear. So lets put this false flag to bed. If not continue down the road to ruin.....Not like its my choice eh? :D

why did we stop with only two? We could have bombed Japan back into the stone ages and we didn't.

I am not sure they could have continued with Atomic Weapons, did they have any left after Nagasaki?

So you doubt Iran's intentions?

Anyone with more than half a brain knows...

..why Iran really wants a nuclear reactor.

Keep on Spinning! :)

You said, "In this case, how can anyone with more than half a brain doubt their evill intentions?" which implies to me that anyone with less than half a brain DOES doubt it....therefore, I conclude that you have your doubts. :D

You are getting awful pedantic. There is no doubt about what he wants to do to Israel and what he is doing to his own people.

Why is there no doubt about what he wants to do to Israel? Do you have information that refutes chuck's wiki article (which refuted the propagandist spin that he'd said he wants to wipe Israel of the map)?

I would love to read it....perhaps with actual evidence, you might convince me of your opinion.

So you doubt Iran's intentions?

Anyone with more than half a brain knows...

..why Iran really wants a nuclear reactor.

Keep on Spinning! :)

You said, "In this case, how can anyone with more than half a brain doubt their evill intentions?" which implies to me that anyone with less than half a brain DOES doubt it....therefore, I conclude that you have your doubts.

In that case, even you must doubt their their intentions, but you are not nearly that clever. :D

You are getting awful pedantic. There is no doubt about what he wants to do to Israel and what he is doing to his own people.

Why is there no doubt about what he wants to do to Israel?

Because he has said it more than once and in different ways - as I pointed out above - and that does not even touch on his support for Hamas. :)

Chuck I am waiting for Kohees allegation and source to the original speech or admission he was wrong and influenced by the MSM and wonder why you so often quote Wiki as a (reliable) source?

Are you by chance one of those retired Generals as mentioned in the NYT??

:)

Alex:

I quoted it because you appear to have lifted your original translation out of it. It seemed strange to me that it was word for word in your post with my link from Wikipedia. You didn't recognize it?

No, I am not a retired General.

Don't worry Alex, when chuck can't find evidence to disprove an argument, he resorts to Republican-tactics of smear, character assasination, petty and irrelevant technicalities, or, spelling or word choice. He also is sceptical of anyone's intellect.

Ok Kohee, you are soon going to retreat with your tail between your legs.

Please give a link to the original speech and I will translate.

You have not read my comment did you?

Do you now understand that in that speech he was not asking to wipe Israel from the face of the earth but just asking to get the regime removed?

Yes or no?

Listen, you're main fault as I see it is that you think propoganda works only one way. You think only the USA and the MSM do it. You think that the Italian communists, Taliban, Hamas and various conspiracy nuts around are the holders of the one, true, almighty (and mythical) Truth (also known as "Pravda"). YOU don't seem to comprehend that YOU yourself have been manipulated and fooled just as much as anyone else on the planet. You do not belong to some special elite group of enlightened people. Sorry to be the one to break it to you but you've needed a wake up call for a long time now.

why did we stop with only two? We could have bombed Japan back into the stone ages and we didn't.

I am not sure they could have continued with Atomic Weapons, did they have any left after Nagasaki?

They might have had one if any at all. That's why they chose a city and not a demonstration over the ocean. As it turns out, one city wasn't enough to get the surrender so it's obvious that exploding one over the ocean wouldn't have either.

Don't worry Alex, when chuck can't find evidence to disprove an argument, he resorts to Republican-tactics of smear, character assasination, petty and irrelevant technicalities, or, spelling or word choice. He also is sceptical of anyone's intellect.

No, Harcourt. I am only sceptical of yours.

Don't worry Alex, when chuck can't find evidence to disprove an argument, he resorts to Republican-tactics of smear, character assasination, petty and irrelevant technicalities, or, spelling or word choice. He also is sceptical of anyone's intellect.

No, Harcourt. I am only sceptical of yours.

How so, wise old one?

Ok Kohee, you are soon going to retreat with your tail between your legs.

Please give a link to the original speech and I will translate.

You have not read my comment did you?

Do you now understand that in that speech he was not asking to wipe Israel from the face of the earth but just asking to get the regime removed?

Yes or no?

Listen, you're main fault as I see it is that you think propoganda works only one way. You think only the USA and the MSM do it. You think that the Italian communists, Taliban, Hamas and various conspiracy nuts around are the holders of the one, true, almighty (and mythical) Truth (also known as "Pravda"). YOU don't seem to comprehend that YOU yourself have been manipulated and fooled just as much as anyone else on the planet. You do not belong to some special elite group of enlightened people. Sorry to be the one to break it to you but you've needed a wake up call for a long time now.

Ahhh. Good on you for realising that you and your fellow right-wingers have been gullible. Now if only the rest of them would realise it too. You would do them a service to bring it to their attention....closed-minded and non-intellectual as they are, they won't listen to any lefties...least of all me. :)

Ok Kohee, you are soon going to retreat with your tail between your legs.

Please give a link to the original speech and I will translate.

You have not read my comment did you?

Do you now understand that in that speech he was not asking to wipe Israel from the face of the earth but just asking to get the regime removed?

Yes or no?

Listen, you're main fault as I see it is that you think propoganda works only one way. You think only the USA and the MSM do it. You think that the Italian communists, Taliban, Hamas and various conspiracy nuts around are the holders of the one, true, almighty (and mythical) Truth (also known as "Pravda"). YOU don't seem to comprehend that YOU yourself have been manipulated and fooled just as much as anyone else on the planet. You do not belong to some special elite group of enlightened people. Sorry to be the one to break it to you but you've needed a wake up call for a long time now.

Ahhh. Good on you for realising that you and your fellow right-wingers have been gullible. Now if only the rest of them would realise it too. You would do them a service to bring it to their attention....closed-minded and non-intellectual as they are, they won't listen to any lefties...least of all me. :)

Yeah, those gullible right-wingers fell for the whole Global Warming scam hook, line and sinker.

Don't worry Alex, when chuck can't find evidence to disprove an argument, he resorts to Republican-tactics of smear, character assasination, petty and irrelevant technicalities, or, spelling or word choice. He also is sceptical of anyone's intellect.

Coming from someone who has admitted on these pages to know nothing about American politics except what they pick up from "CSI" that doesn't mean very much.

You have not read my comment did you?

Yes or no?

Listen, you're main fault as I see it is that you think propoganda works only one way. You think only the USA and the MSM do it. You think that the Italian communists, Taliban, Hamas and various conspiracy nuts around are the holders of the one, true, almighty (and mythical) Truth (also known as "Pravda"). YOU don't seem to comprehend that YOU yourself have been manipulated and fooled just as much as anyone else on the planet. You do not belong to some special elite group of enlightened people. Sorry to be the one to break it to you but you've needed a wake up call for a long time now.

Excellent post. I concur 100%. :)

He also is sceptical of anyone's intellect.

No, Harcourt. I am only sceptical of yours.

:)

Let me say I know full well evil exists in many places around this globe. I know full well that I would prefer none had nukes nor a cold. But it is out of the box & there is no putting it back.

So, because England has a few guns on the street, the whole country should be flooded with them - including football hooligans, mental patients and criminals? I don't get your "logic" at all. :)

Don't worry Alex, when chuck can't find evidence to disprove an argument, he resorts to Republican-tactics of smear, character assasination, petty and irrelevant technicalities, or, spelling or word choice. He also is sceptical of anyone's intellect.

You on the other hand, run and hide. You still haven't answered my question. What horrific event was perpetrated by the U.S. against BL that justified BL committing numerous acts of terrorism? You will recall your brilliant conclusion - "I know the automatic answer from you will be that America is only retaliating (regarding BL).....and so are they, tit for tat, ad infintum. So, I ask you - what horrific event was perpetrated by the U.S. against BL that justified BL committing numerous acts of terrorism?

I did not copied the text from Wiki Chuck, I might have had a look at it if it was correct.

And Kohee, bravo you finally admit that even you have been fooled in make believe some statements made on MSM.

Good that is the first step and I already said propaganda works both ways and therefore it is important what we have been made belief is really the truth or really not.

Therefore we can now clearly say that the statement of wiping Israel from the map is not what he said nor even meant. Actually if you read the whole speech he was referring to the three wishes from the Ayatollah who said 30 years ago or so that he wished the Soviet Union should disappear, the shah of Iran (the one installed by the US) and Saddam H.

Clearly this guy knows too much and must therefore be errrrrrrrrr......... :D

Some other alleged statements made that you copy and paste here are false as well, just Google a bit and you will find out yourself.

Admitting your beliefs or certain beliefs have been wrong is not a weakness you pro terror people, it shows strength.

The speeches of BL are also available when you look for it, it might give you an idea why some people fanatics see this kind of cruelty (9/11) as justified.

Hence the killing of innocent family members and calling them accidents that when looking at it are just another way of terror and therefore might in the eyes of a survivor justify him/her self strapping a few explosives around the waste and blowing him/herself up in the front of coalition soldiers or other innocent people. Is that so hard to understand?

As I have stated many times I am against all forms of killing innocent people and therefore do not approve of such act's on every side in whatever way.

I said before in order to be able to defeat your "enemy" it is important to know what drives them trying to kill you.

BL (from memory) said (for example) he did not like non believers (non Muslims) on holy land and he did not like what is happening in Palestine.

The first reason Is very questionable as for example in Indonesia or my HC, different religions exist reasonably peaceful, so I do not agree with that as a reason.

However the second reason given might give an explanation as to why people are motivated to do these horrible things.

But I also believe that the fanatics on both sides have not learned true history or think about what defines the right to claim a piece of (alleged holy) land.

I do not claim to be "enlightened" but sure have to admit that some of the history stuff I learned on school and grabbed up during my live have not been the truth and were just propaganda for some reason.

Again I point out the excellent docu: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries..._the_self.shtml

After seeing this docu you will never see "the news" as you did before, it shows how we the "peasants" have been tricked and fooled for very long.

Please open your mind as this is after all, "Outside the box"

:)

"no doubt the new wave [of attacks] in Palestine will soon wipe off this disgraceful blot from the face of the Islamic world."as2.gif Mahmud Ahmadinejad

"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury,"

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

OK, only the enlightened ones know the true meaning of all the things that the mad man has said. We get it....0198-0704-2114-5951.jpg

Alex:

A couple of questions/remarks have come to my mind.

1. The US and British were instrumental in placing the Shah of Iran back on the Peacock Throne. It was a joint venture.

2. I presume you speak, read and write Farsi. Correct?

3. Why are you so rabid about defending what Ahmadinijad is saying? The jerk is a loose cannon.

Thanks for any response.

He is subjugating his own people. Why give him credit that he does not deserve?

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