A "rather heated" discussion in a sub forum far far away.

QUOTE (sceadugenga @ 2009-12-16 15:08:00) *

Is a man who pays a woman for sex and promises her nothing less worthy than one who preys on receptionists and shop girls, promises them love, or even marriage, and eventually gives them nothing?

Responder

Who mentioned empty promises or preying? It's no different here to when you were a young pup growing up in ********, you go out and if you meet someone you find attractive and who also finds you attractive then you can have a good time together whether it's for one night, one week or one month. If it doesn't work out then mai bpen rai, I have ended relationships here and I've been dumped myself by Thai girls but I am now happily married, very much in love and hope it stays that way.

Seem to have touched a raw nerve here.

So do young farang guys who rely on their physical charms rather than their bank balance come to Thailand because it's easier to get laid?

Or is it the same as when I was a young pup?

"Don't you know about the new fashion honey? All you need are looks and a whole lotta money."

[billly Joel: It's still rock and roll to me]

/ Priceless

It's like the difference between buying a growth stock and a Blue Chip paying a nice dividend. Some of those growth stocks have immense potential. most never amount to anything. Meanwhile the dividends from the Blue Chip keep compounding.

It's like the difference between buying a growth stock and a Blue Chip paying a nice dividend. Some of those growth stocks have immense potential. most never amount to anything. Meanwhile the dividends from the Blue Chip keep compounding.

I prefer a growth stock with a money shot

Do you want a woman's opinion or just more of the usual "all women are whores and after money" stuff that permeates this forum?

As the responder said about preying and empty promises... is that neccessarily the case when a charmer picks up a receptionsist?

When I was in my teens, with a brief hiatus during the first few months of marriage, and well into my 30's, I found I could pull women without a bank balance OR empty promises.

A night out that ends up in bed.....it takes two to tango. The girls/women know what it's all about.

Not all receptionists are looking for Mr Right....in fact, probably the majority, while still in their 20's, are looking for a good time, just as the guy.

As for a guy that pays up front.... he is neither more nor less worthy.... just sadder.

However!!!! The predatory sex fiend that DOES prey on the vulnerable with empty promises and flashing cash around to deliberately dupe women...certainly he is a rogue, a cad, and unworthy. He gives men a bad name.

Do you want a woman's opinion or just more of the usual "all women are whores and after money" stuff that permeates this forum?

Noooo..... I was more interested in what I thought was a comment from a young guy that the playing field is of the same level of levelosity world wide.

Would a woman find a man earning several times her income more attractive, all else being equal, than one who earned the same as she did? I think that money may enter the equation when a long term relationship is considered.

Would you call a girl a whore because she declines an offer of marriage by someone she knows will never support a family in what she considers to be a worthwhile standard of living?

I'd call it common sense myself. Regardless of modern feminist thought, the majority of families are going to end up with man as the bread earner and woman raising the kids. Until they can work out a way of the man giving birth anyway.

Sure, there's a lot work the opposite these days and many marriages are joint efforts financially, but... most are still traditional. How blinded by love must a woman be to choose a wastrel and layabout over a guy who'll come into the partnership with a good future assured?

It's like me falling in love with a drug addict, I'd rather be brokenhearted for a long time than married to her.

If that makes me the male equivalent of a whore, then so be it.

I pretty much put everyone in the same boat. There is the good, the bad and the ugly. I don't differentiate. That goes for men as well as women. I know many bar girls who act as part time hookers, but who I respect a whole lot more than many women who are not in the trade. I only feel sorry for the down and out people who are on drugs and sell their bodies to supplement their habit.

It is no business of mine what a person does or chooses to do with their own body. I was an adult single male for 12 year before I married for the first time. There were lots of party girls at the time, and when comparing them to the bar girls I know now in Thailand I don't see any difference.

It is different when a person is actively seeing a long term relationship. At that point a lot of different criteria enters the picture: are you physically compatible, are you mentally compatible, do you have similar values, do you both like children, are either of you hung up on a religion the other might not want, how are the finances going to be arranged, etc, etc. That's a whole lot different than just two people who only want to get laid.

I've asked this question many times and have never gotten a straight answer from anyone. Is an elderly man or woman, who intentionally WANTS to stay single, expected to stay celibate? What harm is it, and who's business is it, if that person chooses to use the services of those in the trade who provide a service for money? Why does that make that person somehow a "sad creature" if they choose to use a prostitute? It's a personal choice made by two people, and something that makes both of them happy. It seems the prudes of this world think it is somehow wrong.

So, back to the original question... charm versus money. I think it is a bit of both and it changes slightly for both males and females as the years start to add up.

Assuming he didn't pay them at the time did all those women, 13 and counting, drop their drawers for Tiger because of his good looks or because they could make a buck or two? Funny how they all kept quiet until the first weevil crawled out of the woodwork. Why did Monika Lewinsky keep that cum stained dress?

The further anyone climbs up the tree the more people are shaking the branch.

Do blokes with looks and no bank balance go to Thailand for an easy lay? Probably.

Do blokes with no looks and swollen bank blalances go to Thailand for an easy lay? Probably.

Is it Friday night and should I be out on the piss? Emphatically yes so why am I bothered about this subject? I'm in tonight but out on the lash tomorrow so if I post please ignore everything I say.

So it's goodnight from me and goodnight from him.

Goodnight.

and may your God bless you.

Do you want a woman's opinion

Sorry, I know what you are saying sbk has its merits but I had to laugh when i started to read this post because I read the bit above and though of my ex wife, she use to say, "do you want my opinion"....and I knew god dam_n well that irregardless of the answer I gave her she was still going to give me her opion. bless her .

and you didn't get mine at all cause I already knew the answer

^perhaps its time for someone to take a stick to your rear end again. There you go again, assuming that I don't want to hear what you have to say.

Of course I want you to post something, then I can set to it and pick it apart & give you a hard time about it

perhaps its u.c. time again

I pretty much put everyone in the same boat. There is the good, the bad and the ugly. I don't differentiate. That goes for men as well as women. I know many bar girls who act as part time hookers, but who I respect a whole lot more than many women who are not in the trade. I only feel sorry for the down and out people who are on drugs and sell their bodies to supplement their habit.

It is no business of mine what a person does or chooses to do with their own body. I was an adult single male for 12 year before I married for the first time. There were lots of party girls at the time, and when comparing them to the bar girls I know now in Thailand I don't see any difference.

It is different when a person is actively seeing a long term relationship. At that point a lot of different criteria enters the picture: are you physically compatible, are you mentally compatible, do you have similar values, do you both like children, are either of you hung up on a religion the other might not want, how are the finances going to be arranged, etc, etc. That's a whole lot different than just two people who only want to get laid.

I've asked this question many times and have never gotten a straight answer from anyone. Is an elderly man or woman, who intentionally WANTS to stay single, expected to stay celibate? What harm is it, and who's business is it, if that person chooses to use the services of those in the trade who provide a service for money? Why does that make that person somehow a "sad creature" if they choose to use a prostitute? It's a personal choice made by two people, and something that makes both of them happy. It seems the prudes of this world think it is somehow wrong.

So, back to the original question... charm versus money. I think it is a bit of both and it changes slightly for both males and females as the years start to add up.

Yeah, I didn't feel quite right about the "sadder" bit....I know there are many exceptions. I used to have a boss who was ok-looking, young and rich. He always payed hookers. He said he preferred paying directly and having no strings, than paying indirectly and having all the dramas.

Do you want a woman's opinion or just more of the usual "all women are whores and after money" stuff that permeates this forum?

Noooo..... I was more interested in what I thought was a comment from a young guy that the playing field is of the same level of levelosity world wide.

Would a woman find a man earning several times her income more attractive, all else being equal, than one who earned the same as she did? I think that money may enter the equation when a long term relationship is considered.

Would you call a girl a whore because she declines an offer of marriage by someone she knows will never support a family in what she considers to be a worthwhile standard of living?

I'd call it common sense myself. Regardless of modern feminist thought, the majority of families are going to end up with man as the bread earner and woman raising the kids. Until they can work out a way of the man giving birth anyway.

Sure, there's a lot work the opposite these days and many marriages are joint efforts financially, but... most are still traditional. How blinded by love must a woman be to choose a wastrel and layabout over a guy who'll come into the partnership with a good future assured?

It's like me falling in love with a drug addict, I'd rather be brokenhearted for a long time than married to her.

If that makes me the male equivalent of a whore, then so be it.

I think it's perfectly natural to either consciously or subconsciously weigh the prospects of a potential mate.

What makes a whore a whore (male or female) is going for the dollars/good time/whatever with no intention of love.

"Attention Whore"

Label given to any person who craves attention to such an extent that they will do anything to receive it.

The type of attention (negative or positive) does not matter.

1.is uncomfortable in situations in which he or she is not the center of attention

2.interaction with others is often characterized by inappropriate sexually seductive or provocative behavior

3.displays rapidly shifting and shallow expression of emotions

4.consistently uses physical appearance to draw attention to self

5.has a style of speech that is excessively impressionistic and lacking in detail

6.shows self-dramatization, theatricality, and exaggerated expression of emotion

7.is suggestible, i.e., easily influenced by others or circumstances

8.considers relationships to be more intimate than they actually are.

Do you want a woman's opinion or just more of the usual "all women are whores and after money" stuff that permeates this forum?

honestly i think at some point we are all whores when it comes to money.

Do you want a woman's opinion or just more of the usual "all women are whores and after money" stuff that permeates this forum?

honestly i think at some point we are all whores when it comes to money.

Yes the capacity for that is indeed genderless

I want to be a whore....but good looking ladies will not pay me.

I have to give it for free.

Or beg them to accept.

I know many bar girls who act as part time hookers, ...

It's not an act.

Why did Monika Lewinsky keep that cum stained dress?

Women keep all kinds of "souvenirs" from their romantic encounters. Ever see one of their scrapbooks? As souvenirs go, the semen of the POTUS was pretty rare - at least until Clinton.

What has happened to the dress now? Sitting in an evidence room someplace? The Smithsonian? Sold on ebay? Dry cleaned and put back in the closet?

Back to the original question, the guy who pays straight away is much more honest than the guy who leads a girl on with false hopes and dreams for the sole purpose of getting some action before moving on. For every story of a Thai girl ripping off her expat "boyfriend" there are probably at least as many about expats/tourists conning Thai girl's in the sack with stories of love and marriage then disappearing.

Back to the original question, the guy who pays straight away is much more honest than the guy who leads a girl on with false hopes and dreams for the sole purpose of getting some action before moving on. For every story of a Thai girl ripping off her expat "boyfriend" there are probably at least as many about expats/tourists conning Thai girl's in the sack with stories of love and marriage then disappearing.

True. That is why so many bar girls are hardened to a point where it's tough for them to differentiate between actual love and lust. The ones I've had frank discussions with won't go with Thai men for just that reason.

Ok keep it simple. If the girl is a professional and this is how she is making her living and the guy doesn't pay, then it is no different than stealing or shoplifting.

Ok keep it simple. If the girl is a professional and this is how she is making her living and the guy doesn't pay, then it is no different than stealing or shoplifting.

Yes indeed. I doubt if anyone could disagree.

Why did Monika Lewinsky keep that cum stained dress?

Women keep all kinds of "souvenirs" from their romantic encounters. Ever see one of their scrapbooks? As souvenirs go, the semen of the POTUS was pretty rare - at least until Clinton.

One of Tiger Woods final 18 holes has a photo of him drunk, asleep and naked on the floor.

Up for the highest bidder I presume.

I think the Kennedy semen was fairly widely distributed.

Republican POTUS semen was rarer but could usually be found in the men's rooms of bus stations.

Money can buy a certain amount of charm, while charm will usually attract money of its own accord.

However, today charm is not particularly valued so money would appear to be the preferred commodity.

Why did Monika Lewinsky keep that cum stained dress?

Women keep all kinds of "souvenirs" from their romantic encounters. Ever see one of their scrapbooks? As souvenirs go, the semen of the POTUS was pretty rare - at least until Clinton.

One of Tiger Woods final 18 holes has a photo of him drunk, asleep and naked on the floor.

Up for the highest bidder I presume.

Lewinksy: I didn't have a reason ... if I remember correctly, I didn't really realize that there was anything on it

until I went to go wear it again ... ... I had shown the dress to Linda at that point and had just sort of said to her

... "Isn't this stupid?" Or, you know, "Look at this, isn't this gross?" Or whatever. I don't really remember exactly what I said.

And she told me that I should put it in a safe deposit box because it could be evidence one day. And I said that was ludicrous

because I would never - I would never disclose that I had a relationship with the president, I would never need it.

And then when Thanksgiving time came around and I told her that I was going to wear it for Thanksgiving, she told me I looked

fat in the dress, I shouldn't wear it. She brought me a jacket from her closet ... to try to persuade me not to wear the dress.

So I ended up not wearing it and then I was going to clean it. I took it with me up to New York and was going to clean it up there and then this broke.

Not very credible: who finds a semen stain on their dress and leaves it for cleaning some time later? She said it was gross, she knew what it was, and yet she kept it.....or rather, and so she kept it.