Higher casualties are just a sign you are getting your ass kicked more. To quote General Patton,

"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his."

And so going by that marvelous piece of partizan and ignorant logic, you got your asses kicked more than the French, the Belgiums, the Dutch, the Polish, the Greeks and the Czechs. Genius. Your fellow countrymen have accepted the point gracefully yet you still try to twist it in your favour.

Besides, you must have missed thaibebop's post #49. It is not about 'we' or 'us' or 'you', it is about 'them' and as such none of us have the right to take any credit for their lives.

I think the Poles were the only ones you mentioned that actually fought. No matter how flawed my logic is/was, your is no better. It still holds true that losing more people doesn't mean you're doing a better job.

And who said post #49 made a valid point? When the World Cup starts will you refer to your country's team as "them"?

" I think the poles were the only ones you mentioned that actually fought"

Not true. And off topic. But I am prepared to debate the topic in the original post.

caf

I think the Poles were the only ones you mentioned that actually fought. No matter how flawed my logic is/was, your is no better. It still holds true that losing more people doesn't mean you're doing a better job.

And who said post #49 made a valid point? When the World Cup starts will you refer to your country's team as "them"?

" I think the poles were the only ones you mentioned that actually fought"

Not true. And off topic. But I am prepared to debate the topic in the original post.

caf

I thought that the little side bashing there saying that those other countries didn't fight was on topic.

There's a sad shortage of right wing Australians here. I think soundman used to skirt around the fringes but he seems to avoid political threads which proves he's not as silly as some of his fellows.

Do we have any American lefties here? The Yanks don't really do left stuff well. Apart from Woody Guthrie I can't think of any worth consideration.

If annoys me when I hear the wishy washy US liberals referred to as "left". You should have met my grandfather, he'd show you what left wing meant.

And that's the problem with the American "Left". It isn't really left at all. If anything it's a bit right of center these days. I'd be a leftist if they didn't pussy foot around about it.

Anyway about country bashing. Lao Po bashes America in almost every thread he participates in. The when someone calls him on it , he does the Wha??. me??. Pussy. Not that America doesn't deserve bashing sometimes.

Sir, I've always respected you for what you wrote and didn't think you were the kind of man to bash upon another member; I'm surprised.

I kindly invite you to give me ONE link where I bash America, even the slightest hint. You just said I bash upon America in almost every thread so it shouldn't be too difficult.

If you do, I will sincerely apologize but don't you call me -well founded- an America basher because I'm not; but again: I'm waiting Sir.

Apart from that: if I'm such an America basher...why did I post praising topics about great Americans in the past?

Please read here: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Historical-A...71#entry3253871

Did you ever do the same (here on TV) about a great Frenchman, Australian or Scotsman, Italian (many great men!) or from any other country?

LaoPo

I'll not be searching your threads and posting links as it is just not that important to me. You have not harmed me or anyone I care about. I don't care that you do what you do, but I was just pointing out it seemed incongruous that you should do it so blatantly and prolificly and then make such an effort to deny it. I just can't understand why anyone would.

I can only conclude that your accusation that I posted bashing posts to America in almost every thread I participate in are not founded; if fact you can't even come with one post by me where I did so.

Instead you're are circling around the OP question, by me, and not answering to it but instead flame on me.

How weak.

LaoPo

I had to actually laugh when I read your responses to the above abbreviated posts.  THaibebop posts with a greeting and agreeing with you, and he is making an "thoughtful and intelligent" post.  You even thank him for his personal message to you.

I make a post which disagrees with your basic premise and even if there really is a problem, and I guess that makes my post not as thoughtful and intelligent.  And the fact that I feel you are lumping Americans together as being overly sensitive makes it sad that I am bringing you, personally into the discussion?

Seems a little ironic that you are posting about Americans being overly sensitive to criticism by calling that criticism USA bashing, but you react to a criticism in the same you way accuse Americans of reacting.

First of all: may I assume that you post as a member in this thread, and not a Moderator?.... because I would feel a little tense if the latter would be the case.

If you say the latter than I will step out; I don't wish to put myself in danger.

Secondly, of course you're entitled to laugh about my posts. No problem; but you take it personal. And, yes, I thanked Thaibebop for his thoughtful and intelligent post and there's nothing wrong with since it was the FIRST answer. Do you object to his answer?

Oh...he didn't send me a personal message if you mean a PM. He did not.

Third, if you and I do not agree does that mean that I think you are NOT as thoughtful and intelligent ? Who says so? Not me Bonobo; you did. I think you ARE thoughtful and intelligent; never doubted so but that doesn't mean that this thread has to turn around in a debate about and against LaoPo for heaven's sake!

I'm sorry but you now make the same mistake as a few others: you attack me personally me instead debating my opinion and questions, since the topic STARTED with a question.

I'm sorry but I ASKED why some Americans - here on TV- sometimes act so overly sensitive when it comes to America.

Instead of receiving answers I get attacked; is that fair and really necessary ?

Is it so difficult for some to debate, rather than to attack?

LaoPo

And, aside, can you point me at ANY of MY posts where I attack another fellow member ?

Have I called you a pejorative?  Have I really "attacked" you?  I don't see any attacks myself. You asked the same question in the second quote above, and I don't see how that is any different from what you are accusing me of doing.

I pointed out the irony of you accusing others of being overly sensitive and taking things too personal, then taking criticism leveled at your posts as a personal attack (which you did here again.)

For the record, I have nothing against you as a person, and I have not read any posts made by you, to my recollection, which I would consider bashing the USA.  I have read quite a few critical posts by you, but no bashing.  I do think, however, that you might be coming across as overly sensitive to any responses which are not in agreement with your posts, and I really think your arguments in this and the other related threads are pretty silly.  For example, in the US at least, we make fun of people who use the "What do you mean I am prejudice against (fill in the demographic)?  Some of my best friends are (fill in the same demographic)."

Now don't get on your high horse about that last sentence.  I am not saying you are prejudice against Americans.  And I have already posted that I have not read from you anything I would consider US bashing.  But to argue that you couldn't possibly have bashed the US because you wrote good things about Armstrong and Fossett elicits a pretty strong and humorous reaction.

And as far as your first point, if I was moderating this, you would not see me giving my opinions here.  I would be simply taking action.  But as I am posting here, I think that should be pretty obvious that I am posting simply as a ThaiVisa member.  Any other implication is uncalled for.

You take it personal once more. I didn't accuse you of attacking, I was speaking in a general sense but I'm sorry if you misunderstood my last sentences and thought I was accusing you of attacking me; you did not.

But, answering to your second sentence: the topic has taken a course by being pro or contra ME but that's complete off-topic as this topic isn't about LaoPo; it is about my initial question in the OP.

And, I am very surprised by the aggressive flaming behaviour by some of the posters and by their personal flames.

However I have a strong back and regard that as saying more about them, not able to discuss the OP's question, rather than myself.

Further, I'm glad that you confirm that I've not been known as an America basher.

And, to answer your sentence : "But to argue that you couldn't possibly have bashed the US....." I would say that's probably correct BECAUSE I have never attacked, flamed or bashed upon the US as a whole, as a country as such.

Yes I have been critical about greedy and corrupt Wall St bankers, the US financial and mortgage system that brought down the entire financial system, worldwide; I have been critical about the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan and the hidden agenda and lies the Bush administration served the world with.

But never America as a whole. NOBODY on TV can accuse me of that and if they do and don't come with proof, it's a weak and false accusation; it would be the same, facing a court and say: "he flamed upon the US Sir but sorry, I have no proof, but I'm sure he did" how silly

If you say I'm overly sensitive myself...well, maybe, but I ALWAYS debate the content, never the person who writes the message.

I tell you what: I'm one of the very few posters who know little to nothing about most posters...

Why? because I do not pay attention so much about the poster rather than the CONTENT. I always debate the content and that's why I feel sad that this topic isn't about my question anymore why people are Bashing on Countries but turned into a nasty flaming on my person.

That says more about the flamers than myself.

LaoPo

I kindly invite you to give me ONE link where I bash America, even the slightest hint. You just said I bash upon America in almost every thread so it shouldn't be too difficult.

If you do, I will sincerely apologize

LaoPo

my 2 cents....

the usa is one of the most stable countries in the world.

Keep on dreaming, haha, keep on dreaming..the 'Old' American Dream.

The world has changed..don't you realize that?....America can survive...without Oil?

'The debt can be taken care of'..sure......by scr.wing the foreigner?

Of course, the US did it many times before, but you know what? 'the foreigners' are learning quickly!

Dream on.

Now you will say this is not "bashing", but you have many similar posts. lannarebirth is absolutely

correct.

Higher casualties are just a sign you are getting your ass kicked more. To quote General Patton,

"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his."

And so going by that marvelous piece of partizan and ignorant logic, you got your asses kicked more than the French, the Belgiums, the Dutch, the Polish, the Greeks and the Czechs. Genius. Your fellow countrymen have accepted the point gracefully yet you still try to twist it in your favour.

Besides, you must have missed thaibebop's post #49. It is not about 'we' or 'us' or 'you', it is about 'them' and as such none of us have the right to take any credit for their lives.

I think the Poles were the only ones you mentioned that actually fought. No matter how flawed my logic is/was, your is no better. It still holds true that losing more people doesn't mean you're doing a better job.

And who said post #49 made a valid point? When the World Cup starts will you refer to your country's team as "them"?

Poor analogy koheetsi. 

For starters, football is a sport, a game which ultimately has little to no impact on the world and so to compare it to war where lives are lost is quite tenuous to say the least. 

Your remark that "only the poles fought" let's me know what I am up against and that I am probably wasting my time as you are simply not interested in reason. You can't even be bothered to check before making such ludicrous claims, the internet is a wonderful thing so I'd suggest you take advantage of it.

Allow me to prompt you:

Greece entered World War II on 28 October 1940, when the Italian army invaded from Albania. The Greek army dealt the first victory for the Allies by defeating the invasion and pushing Mussolini's forces back into Albania.[1] Hitler was reluctantly forced to send his own forces to overcome Greece in April 1941, and delay the invasion of the Soviet Union by six weeks. This is considered by some historians as the first turning point of the war, since the delay proved disastrous to the German invasion, with the onset of the Russian winter and the strong resistance of the Soviet armed forces halting it before the gates of Moscow.[2] Although the German invasion of Greece was swift, their forces met fierce resistance on the island of Crete, where the elite Fallschirmjäger suffered almost 7,000 casualties.[3] These heavy losses eliminated the option of a massive airborne invasion of the Nazi Germany and further expansion in the Mediterranean saving Malta, Gibraltar, Cyprus, and the Suez Canal from airborne invasion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_hist...ng_World_War_II

I kindly invite you to give me ONE link where I bash America,[/b] even the slightest hint. You just said I bash upon America in almost every thread so it shouldn't be too difficult.

If you do, I will sincerely apologize but don't you call me -well founded- an America basher because I'm not; but again: I'm waiting Sir.

Apart from that: if I'm such an America basher...why did I post praising topics about great Americans in the past?

Please read here: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Historical-A...71#entry3253871

Did you ever do the same (here on TV) about a great Frenchman, Australian or Scotsman, Italian (many great men!) or from any other country?

LaoPo

I'll not be searching your threads and posting links as it is just not that important to me. You have not harmed me or anyone I care about. I don't care that you do what you do, but I was just pointing out it seemed incongruous that you should do it so blatantly and prolificly and then make such an effort to deny it. I just can't understand why anyone would.

I can only conclude that your accusation that I posted bashing posts to America in almost every thread I participate in are not founded; if fact you can't even come with one post by me where I did so.

Instead you're are circling around the OP question, by me, and not answering to it but instead flame on me.

How weak.

LaoPo

Weak but honest. As I say I don't care that you do it. You can't do it better than me when I'm on a roll or most Americans I know, either. We all know it when we do it however, but I guess you don't possess that same level of self awareness?

I kindly invite you to give me ONE link where I bash America, even the slightest hint. You just said I bash upon America in almost every thread so it shouldn't be too difficult.

If you do, I will sincerely apologize

LaoPo

my 2 cents....

the usa is one of the most stable countries in the world.

Keep on dreaming, haha, keep on dreaming..the 'Old' American Dream.

The world has changed..don't you realize that?....America can survive...without Oil?

'The debt can be taken care of'..sure......by scr.wing the foreigner?

Of course, the US did it many times before, but you know what? 'the foreigners' are learning quickly!

Dream on.

Now you will say this is not "bashing", but you have many similar posts. lannarebirth is absolutely

correct.

Thanks for watching my back General, but one of the reasons I don't generally participate in these back and forth discussions is absolutely nothing you can say would change the view of the people you have discussions with online. If the exchange took place in real life it would just be ridiculous.

To get a little more to the OP, I have observed that some groups do get more than their fair share of bashing:  the US, Israel, the UK, Thailand,  China, women, and gays.

Of these, China-bashing gets pretty much ignored by most members.  US-bashing gets immediate reaction from whom I think are American members.  Israel/Thailand/women/gay-bashing gets immediate attention, but by a wide range of people, not just from members within those demographics.  And UK-bashing elicits very little response except for tongue-in-cheek agreement, usually by other Brits.  The Brits seem to treat it more as a joke than people from other groups getting bashed.

And the response to people objecting to the bashing is different as well.  Posts defending the US, Thailand, Israel, or women quite often become the targets of attacks themselves, although that comes with a caveat.  If the person taking issue with women-bashing is male, that seems to be better accepted than if that person is female.  A female who objects to a woman-bashing is often derided as being overly-sensitive or just plain wrong.

What a relieve, your post!

You're pretty accurate and analyzed quite close to the truth. It's amazing that China bashing is so ignored, also by the staff of TV as they let it go also whilst the bashi/flaming upon other nations and topics: (women, Thailand and gay people) are stepped up immediately.

I mean consequent is consequent, right? and if the staff would see so they should draw one line but I understand that there are few to none mainland Chinese members.

It's also indeed remarkable that UK members (and Ozzies also?) seldom end up (as far as I know and have seen) in such a flaming thread as this one has become now; strange but it proves one thing:

that some members on this forum are indeed VERY sensitive about criticism about their own country, whether that's correct or incorrect.

If I would say that American drivers are worse drivers than the German drivers I would probably flamed immediately. The truth is that that's the truth...* (just an example I was thinking of, nothing personal)

Myself, I am from a tiny country and I have to laugh about my own government on an almost daily basis, knowing that the total population is less than Shanghai, Mexico city, Mumbai, Tokyo or Sao Paolo where the Mayors of those cities probably have the same or more of a difficult task than our own PM, running the country

So, feel free to flame and bash whatever you like, if it's well founded. Hey, a Dutch guy just prevented an airplane to crash, close to Detroit, so I hope at least some Americans are happy with that?

And, like I said before: Chapeau for Obama taking his responsibility!

Self reflection is not so easy for some

* if someone would like reports; just let me know.

LaoPo

my 2 cents....

the usa is one of the most stable countries in the world.

Keep on dreaming, haha, keep on dreaming..the 'Old' American Dream.

The world has changed..don't you realize that?....America can survive...without Oil?

'The debt can be taken care of'..sure......by scr.wing the foreigner?

Of course, the US did it many times before, but you know what? 'the foreigners' are learning quickly!

Dream on.

Thanks for watching my back General, but one of the reasons I don't generally participate in these back and forth discussions is absolutely nothing you can say would change the view of the people you have discussions with online.

Very true, but the truth is there in black and white for all the world to see.

I knew that is why you did not bother to search his posts, so I did it.

Higher casualties are just a sign you are getting your ass kicked more. To quote General Patton,

"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his."

And so going by that marvelous piece of partizan and ignorant logic, you got your asses kicked more than the French, the Belgiums, the Dutch, the Polish, the Greeks and the Czechs. Genius. Your fellow countrymen have accepted the point gracefully yet you still try to twist it in your favour.

Besides, you must have missed thaibebop's post #49. It is not about 'we' or 'us' or 'you', it is about 'them' and as such none of us have the right to take any credit for their lives.

I think the Poles were the only ones you mentioned that actually fought. No matter how flawed my logic is/was, your is no better. It still holds true that losing more people doesn't mean you're doing a better job.

And who said post #49 made a valid point? When the World Cup starts will you refer to your country's team as "them"?

Poor analogy koheetsi.

For starters, football is a sport, a game which ultimately has little to no impact on the world and so to compare it to war where lives are lost is quite tenuous to say the least.

Your remark that "only the poles fought" let's me know what I am up against and that I am probably wasting my time as you are simply not interested in reason. You can't even be bothered to check before making such ludicrous claims, the internet is a wonderful thing so I'd suggest you take advantage of it.

Allow me to prompt you:

Don't bother. You are trying to use my flawed logic to deflect away from your own - that the more casualties a country has, the better it did in the war - or something like that. I admitted my logic was flawed - and even laughed aloud when I read you reply. But you won't admit yours is flawed so what does that tell me about you?

As for my poor analogy, is it really? I thought the point of that earlier post was that none of us fought in WWII so we can't use "we" when talking about it. I wasn't aware that you are a member of your country's World Cup team. Way to go! I'd be cheering for you if I knew who you were. Maybe you can keep a daily journal here on Thaivisa so all of your forum-mates can follow your adventures in South Africa. I'm sure George might be able to set you up with a special section.

my 2 cents....

the usa is one of the most stable countries in the world.

Keep on dreaming, haha, keep on dreaming..the 'Old' American Dream.

The world has changed..don't you realize that?....America can survive...without Oil?

'The debt can be taken care of'..sure......by scr.wing the foreigner?

Of course, the US did it many times before, but you know what? 'the foreigners' are learning quickly!

Dream on.

Thanks for watching my back General, but one of the reasons I don't generally participate in these back and forth discussions is absolutely nothing you can say would change the view of the people you have discussions with online.

Very true, but the truth is there in black and white for all the world to see.

I knew that is why you did not bother to search his posts, so I did it.

WOW........you found something I wrote 5 years ago????

How much time did that cost you? Not so much I presume being that post from less than 2 months after I became a member when I Joined: 2004-10-29

Do you consider that as bashing upon America?

Answering to a discussion about the: "Dollar Going To######, What Should I Do?" a thread opened by member Yangpuss on 2004-12-16 where he writes (and by Jove, was this American correct or what, the greenback being around $ 1,35 to the Euro than and slipping even further and further) that he is worried -in December 2004- about the US dollar ??

A discussion where member Haha writes (but you cleverly left out ) on 21-12-2004:

"yes, america is having some tough times right now. but you know what? the next harvest is just a year away. another paycheck is just a year away.

worse comes to worse, the usa could do what many other small countries have done in the past, screw the foreigner, and not pay them back.

To which sentences I replied. I'm sure you nor anyone else reported member Haha for bashing upon other Nations

Oh, and if you wish to talk debts, owed by the US to other nations, we will need another topic, a long one

Anything else Sir?

LaoPo

I kindly invite you to give me ONE link where I bash America, even the slightest hint. You just said I bash upon America in almost every thread so it shouldn't be too difficult.

LaoPo

What happened to your apology? You're are not even man enough to admit the truth. Instead, you immediately start looking for excuses.

It took 20 seconds to find this example as I started searching from your first post. Someone is completely full of it!

I kindly invite you to give me ONE link where I bash America, even the slightest hint. You just said I bash upon America in almost every thread so it shouldn't be too difficult.

LaoPo

What happened to your apology? You're are not even man enough to admit the truth. Instead, you immediately start looking for excuses.

It took 20 seconds to find this example as I started searching from your first post. Someone is completely full of it!

I do not consider that as bashing, commenting to someone who says "screw the foreigner, and not pay them back", commenting from an American perspective.

You should flame and ask apologies from member Haha for bashing upon "foreigners"...not me

I think you like it as a kind of a sports to flame and attack me; I pity such members; it says more about themselves rather than me.

Have a look at my signature Mr. Ulysses G maybe you can learn something from good old and highly respected famous Chinese thinker and social philosopher: Confucius: 551BC - 479BC

A man like him would never flame or bash upon fellow human beings. He was too wise to do so.

LaoPo

What happened to "even the slightest hint" of bashing and you will apologize?

I have to congradulate Mr. lannarebirth for being too smart to fall for your trick. Your posts are full of American bashing - just as he said - but he knew that if he searched for one, you would just deny it.

It was not Confucius who said it, but as another great wise man once said, "Liar, Liar, pants on fire!"

This forum may be a little more liberal in its interpretation of the rules, but I am having trouble figuring out what this thread is about. It is either a thread about bashing a country or it's a flame fest. Neither of which is permitted. I will close the thread and go through it deleting posts which don't conform to some sense of civility.

Topic re-opened.

Two posts deleted, one with quotes, but no response and one replying to the wrong quote and corrected in the subsequent post.

Being the OP, I kindly request the Mods to close this topic/thread.

It's obvious, as even a respected Mod can't understand my initial purposes of the topic, that most have misunderstood the CONTENT and didn't read my link to the first post and THUS missed my points and questions.

I do not wish to see this topic end up in any further bashing and flaming on fellow members because the latter two were exactly the point WHY I posted the topic but that is sadly missed by some who, instead, used this topic to bash upon others, including myself.

That the bashing occurred has probably also to do with the WAY I posted the topic. My honest, genuine questions were used to start the bashing and accusing me of being someone I'm not.

I wish to express that my initial thoughts were and still are always genuine, honest and careful to try and prevent to hurt other members.

I always comment on the content of a certain post, never meant to attack a fellow member.

Unfortunately that didn't seem to be the case in this topic and if I insulted someone, without having the intention and meaning, I sincerely apologize.

Thank you for your time.

LaoPo