From an article in the British Daily Mail, a quote from some Civil Liberties Lawyer:

'Those upset by the prospect of undergoing these scans shouldn't be forced to choose between their dignity and their flight.

'What kind of a free society does the Government think it is "protecting", when it invades our privacy like this?

'When we are forced to expose ourselves at the airport in order to go on holiday, the terrorists have won.'

Does anyone else think this is nuts, and that the terrorists have won when some nutter gets on your plane with undetected explosives concealed about his (or her) person and blows it up?

I would have no objections at all to undergoing a full body scan.

Full link - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12...ed-flights.html

I think the big complaint is that the governments force their citizens to give up

much more freedoms in the name of security than they penalize the claimed terrorists.

Not that this full body scan is the main example...........

Why not go all out & say from now on travel is available only in orange jump suits provided at the airport? You are strip searched & your clothes & luggage fly on a separate plane? Pay the pilot/copilot of the luggage/clothing plane a high rate of hazard pay

The scanner is more of a pill to get the folks to swallow & remind them of how much they need the wars/invasions to protect them from these terrible terrorists. All the while ignoring the fact that it could all be due to the very actions of the governments themselves aka:blow back

Lastly have you ever seen the daily container intake in major ports? If a terrorist wanted to make a BIG statement imagine what container sized bomb could be shipped into a port? Do they scan each & every container as they scan each passenger?

All of this is nothing more than a watch the right hand exercise

When I pass through the Full Body Scanner the women will scream with delight (sorry girls, it's not for you) and the men will turn green with envy (come and get it, boys)

Only 3 posts before a post like that endure, well done!

When I pass through the Full Body Scanner the women will scream with delight (sorry girls, it's not for you) and the men will turn green with envy (come and get it, boys)

You bad boy.

To be honest, if it means you can walk through without removing shoes, belt, watch, underwear, scattering loose change, taking laptop out of case...no doubt I've missed something, then I'm all for it.

I think the big complaint is that the governments force their citizens to give up

much more freedoms in the name of security than they penalize the claimed terrorists.

Not that this full body scan is the main example...........

Why not go all out & say from now on travel is available only in orange jump suits provided at the airport? You are strip searched & your clothes & luggage fly on a separate plane? Pay the pilot/copilot of the luggage/clothing plane a high rate of hazard pay

The scanner is more of a pill to get the folks to swallow & remind them of how much they need the wars/invasions to protect them from these terrible terrorists. All the while ignoring the fact that it could all be due to the very actions of the governments themselves aka:blow back

Lastly have you ever seen the daily container intake in major ports? If a terrorist wanted to make a BIG statement imagine what container sized bomb could be shipped into a port? Do they scan each & every container as they scan each passenger?

All of this is nothing more than a watch the right hand exercise

Have you ever heard the phrase, "has a screw loose"?

The airline industry has enormous problems, in some way due to the terrorist threat and what has been done to counter it.

Saying "what about containers" is fairly simplistic, the illegal drug importers have long taken advantage of the fact that very few are searched, indeed, in the interests of cheap imports they can't be.

But does this mean that drug searches should be deemed unimportant at airports?

Wrecking a container terminal may even harm the backers of major terrorist organisations. Anyone who thinks their money is raised from collections at mosques is dreaming.

Searching individuals and making the individual pay for the search will always be a the preferred option over making business pay similar costs. A point could be made that increasing the cost of cheap imports could benefit local industry though.

“Idiots and lunatics see only their own wit.”

~ François de la Rochefoucauld

Hey, no fair... cut out the book reading UG.

All this screening wouldn't be necessary if they just went ahead and did the sane thing and profiled people instead of being afraid to appear politically incorrect.

All this screening wouldn't be necessary if they just went ahead and did the sane thing and profiled people instead of being afraid to appear politically incorrect.

I think even people with nothing to hide would prefer to be searched than profiled.

Like metal detectors, the problem would be be with the settings. Would some one who went to a mosque as a tourist, like I have, be denied air flight? What about political beliefs? Belonged to the Socialist club in college? Must be a terrorist sympathiser, take the bus forever, loser.

I'd like you to expand on that, and I'm not taking the piss I'm genuinely interested, to me it's open to a range of abuses that would make a full body cavity search seem preferable. (No doubt some here would prefer it, but lets not go there.)

I think that koheesti is trying to point out that most International terrorists these days are Arab men and that if airport officials concentrated mostly on Arab men with certain characteristics, they would have a better chance of catching something like 99% of the perpetrators.

All this screening wouldn't be necessary if they just went ahead and did the sane thing and profiled people instead of being afraid to appear politically incorrect.

Why is profiling the "sane thing"? How good can profiling be? How many harmless people would fit the profile, and more importantly, how many actual terrorists would fall outside of the profile criteria?

Not sane at all, in my view because the amount of information to make a reliable profile is not available.

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I saw the General typing after I posted mine....

All this screening wouldn't be necessary if they just went ahead and did the sane thing and profiled people instead of being afraid to appear politically incorrect.

Why is profiling the "sane thing"? How good can profiling be? How many harmless people would fit the profile, and more importantly, how many actual terrorists would fall outside of the profile criteria?

Not sane at all, in my view because the amount of information to make a reliable profile is not available.

Well, for those of us who don't look like the type that would have to worry about being profiled it's a great idea.

I think that koheesti is trying to point out that most International terrorists these days are Arab men and that if airport officials concentrated mostly on Arab men with certain characteristics, they would have a better chance of catching something like 99% of the perpetrators.

Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, wasn't an Arab; he was British and a Moslem convert, and profiling would have missed him. There are many white (or more specifically, non-Arab) moslem converts who would do the necessary and who would be getting on planes by avoiding profiling.

Or Adis Medunjanin, who was born in Bosnia but is a U.S. citizen, indicted this year in the US. Not an Arab.

Also US citizens as below, born of a Peruvian and an Argentinian parents and raised as a Catholic.

A U.S. citizen pleaded guilty earlier this year to attempting to kill American soldiers overseas and providing material support to al Qaeda, including information about the New York transit system, according to court documents unsealed Wednesday in Brooklyn federal court.

Bryant Neal Vinas, 26 years old, born in the New York borough of Queens, became an al Qaeda militant after receiving training from the terrorist organization outside the U.S., according to criminal charges brought by Benton J. Campbell, the U.S. attorney in Brooklyn.

(Wall Street Journal 23 July 09)

Imost International terrorists these days are Arab men and that if airport officials concentrated mostly on Arab men with certain characteristics, they would have a better chance of catching something like 99% of the perpetrators.

Yeah like Cat Stevens? That will teach him not to sing peace train :D

I think that koheesti is trying to point out that most International terrorists these days are Arab men and that if airport officials concentrated mostly on Arab men with certain characteristics, they would have a better chance of catching something like 99% of the perpetrators.

So ban all Arab men from travelling by air? I suspect a lot may be major shareholders in airlines so it could be difficult.

My point is, is just not realistic, a knee jerk reaction to a complex problem. I'd like to point out that totalitarian governments do this... Stalinist Russia, Communist China, Nazi Germany, and either came crashing down or are universally despised.

OK... I've gotta say it....

It's unAmerican!!!!!

All this screening wouldn't be necessary if they just went ahead and did the sane thing and profiled people instead of being afraid to appear politically incorrect.

Why is profiling the "sane thing"? How good can profiling be? How many harmless people would fit the profile, and more importantly, how many actual terrorists would fall outside of the profile criteria?

Not sane at all, in my view because the amount of information to make a reliable profile is not available.

Well, for those of us who don't look like the type that would have to worry about being profiled it's a great idea.

Wow...such short-sightedness. Such extreme arrogant selfishness too. So you assume that if "you don't look the type", then it's ok to board the plane without being scanned or searched.

Ridiculous idea. That's the kind of idea Dubbya would think up....and we all know his level of intelligence.

What did the Xmas day undie bomber look like?

All this screening wouldn't be necessary if they just went ahead and did the sane thing and profiled people instead of being afraid to appear politically incorrect.

Why is profiling the "sane thing"? How good can profiling be? How many harmless people would fit the profile, and more importantly, how many actual terrorists would fall outside of the profile criteria?

Not sane at all, in my view because the amount of information to make a reliable profile is not available.

How can you possibly believe there is not enough information available to make a reliable profile?

The huge majority of terrorist incidents since 1979 have been performed by male Islamic Middle Easterners between the ages of 17 and 45.

With profiling they might have been able to catch the Christmas bomber, who purchased a one way ticket with cash, checked in with no luggage and, apparantly, provided no passport. I have no idea how the no passport event happened. Luckily this clown's underwear had an electrical short or there would have been 278 more lost souls to add to the non-profiling thinkers.

All this screening wouldn't be necessary if they just went ahead and did the sane thing and profiled people instead of being afraid to appear politically incorrect.

Why is profiling the "sane thing"? How good can profiling be? How many harmless people would fit the profile, and more importantly, how many actual terrorists would fall outside of the profile criteria?

Not sane at all, in my view because the amount of information to make a reliable profile is not available.

How can you possibly believe there is not enough information available to make a reliable profile?

The huge majority of terrorist incidents since 1979 have been performed by male Islamic Middle Easterners between the ages of 17 and 45.

With profiling they might have been able to catch the Christmas bomber, who purchased a one way ticket with cash, checked in with no luggage and, apparantly, provided no passport. I have no idea how the no passport event happened. Luckily this clown's underwear had an electrical short or there would have been 278 more lost souls to add to the non-profiling thinkers.

He might hae been caught by profiling but he would DEFINITELY have been caught by a full body scan.

I think terrorists groups work hard to recruit people of non-Arab appearance. The Lockerbie bombing wasn't carried out by Arab men, but certainly instigated by them. Many Greeks and Turks are of Arab appearance, Omar Sharif played a Russian for God's sake.

We had an European/Australian scooped up in the war on terror who could have easily been brainwashed into a terrorist act, he certainly wasn't very bright.

I've been on a number of flights where Arabs have received "preferential" treatment from Airline security, most recently I saw a man question at length by Australian Federal police in the Aira Asia lounge at KL before a flight to Melbourne. I've seen a tent set up in a departure lounge so Arab women in burkhas could be strip searched by female security guards.

As I said, totally unrealistic.

How can you possibly believe there is not enough information available to make a reliable profile?

The huge majority of terrorist incidents since 1979 have been performed by male Islamic Middle Easterners between the ages of 17 and 45.

With profiling they might have been able to catch the Christmas bomber, who purchased a one way ticket with cash, checked in with no luggage and, apparantly, provided no passport. I have no idea how the no passport event happened. Luckily this clown's underwear had an electrical short or there would have been 278 more lost souls to add to the non-profiling thinkers.

Actually he was profiled wasn't he?

Also 60 minutes did a report a week or two after the incident & it was quite amazing actually.

They interviewed a few others & things just seemed very odd that day at that gate/location.

For one thing a woman & her daughter were interviewed & the daughter ( mid 30's looked like ) said after they were seated she looked down at her moms carry on & there was a bottle of water sticking out of her bag.

The daughter said how the heck did you get that in here? The mom replied I forgot about it & it went through the scanner as it is now. I did not even remember it till you saw it...

Very odd day

Imost International terrorists these days are Arab men and that if airport officials concentrated mostly on Arab men with certain characteristics, they would have a better chance of catching something like 99% of the perpetrators.

Yeah like Cat Stevens? That will teach him not to sing peace train

If Cat Stevens has blown up any planes, the news services have not reported it.

Imost International terrorists these days are Arab men and that if airport officials concentrated mostly on Arab men with certain characteristics, they would have a better chance of catching something like 99% of the perpetrators.

Yeah like Cat Stevens? That will teach him not to sing peace train

If Cat Stevens has blown up any planes, the news services have not reported it.

sigh,,,,,,,,,,, Yes that is the point UG

Edit: I better explain it or you will spend another 20 posts chasing it....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/am...-us-547258.html

I think that koheesti is trying to point out that most International terrorists these days are Arab men and that if airport officials concentrated mostly on Arab men with certain characteristics, they would have a better chance of catching something like 99% of the perpetrators.

So ban all Arab men from travelling by air? I suspect a lot may be major shareholders in airlines so it could be difficult.

My point is, is just not realistic, a knee jerk reaction to a complex problem. I'd like to point out that totalitarian governments do this... Stalinist Russia, Communist China, Nazi Germany, and either came crashing down or are universally despised.

OK... I've gotta say it....

It's unAmerican!!!!!

Who said anything about 'banning" them from flying? He was advocating doing a careful search of them and their belongings instead of wasting time searching everybody on the plane simply to be PC.

All this screening wouldn't be necessary if they just went ahead and did the sane thing and profiled people instead of being afraid to appear politically incorrect.

Why is profiling the "sane thing"? How good can profiling be? How many harmless people would fit the profile, and more importantly, how many actual terrorists would fall outside of the profile criteria?

Not sane at all, in my view because the amount of information to make a reliable profile is not available.

How can you possibly believe there is not enough information available to make a reliable profile?

The huge majority of terrorist incidents since 1979 have been performed by male Islamic Middle Easterners between the ages of 17 and 45.

With profiling they might have been able to catch the Christmas bomber, who purchased a one way ticket with cash, checked in with no luggage and, apparantly, provided no passport. I have no idea how the no passport event happened. Luckily this clown's underwear had an electrical short or there would have been 278 more lost souls to add to the non-profiling thinkers.

I do not see your connection with Middle Eastern-looking men and the Undie Bomber.

The Xmas bomber did not look Middle Eastern. If you made the profiling to take in him, you'd also take in Obama and my dad.

As Flying has said....if he had been scanned, he may have been caught....profiling by appearances is absolutely insufficient.

Who said anything about 'banning" them from flying? He was advocating doing a careful search of them and their belongings instead of wasting time searching everybody on the plane simply to be PC.

:D

That would be like double checking every white male that enters the middle east while giving all others a free pass or not wasting their time as you say.

Hmmm maybe a double search of falangs entering LOS would be in order too? What say yee?

Maybe change the C in America to a K while were at it?

Imost International terrorists these days are Arab men and that if airport officials concentrated mostly on Arab men with certain characteristics, they would have a better chance of catching something like 99% of the perpetrators.

Yeah like Cat Stevens? That will teach him not to sing peace train

If Cat Stevens has blown up any planes, the news services have not reported it.

sigh,,,,,,,,,,, Yes that is the point UG

Cat Stevens has been accused of raising money for Islamic terrorists and delivering cash to Hamas. He also made remarks that suggested he agreed that Salman Rushdie deserved punishment after a fatwa was issued against him by Muslims. If there is any truth to any of it, he got exactly what he deserved.