No problem...Opinions are like A-holes eh?

Ive often said if @holes could fly, thai visa would be an airport.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http:/...%26tbs%3Disch:1

If you look at those pictures in the attached link, you will see that BUFFOON of a president even left himself a note at the scene of the crime, its written in that picture towards the end with the Police officer sitting near it.

Proof that people let their emotions control things like this, rather than looking a little closer at the real issues.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http:/...%26tbs%3Disch:1

If you look at those pictures in the attached link, you will see that BUFFOON of a president even left himself a note at the scene of the crime, its written in that picture towards the end with the Police officer sitting near it.

Proof that people let their emotions control things like this, rather than looking a little closer at the real issues.

Your quoted post has proven your point. It is your passionate disliike of GWB that drives your emotions, thereby depriving you of taking a little closer look at the issues.

Thanks Chuck for the pictures but that are pictures after the roof had collapsed. There are a few pictures on the net that show

not very clear but visible only a hole at the entry point, no damage visible from engines, wings etc. That hole cannot have been made by a plane (entry and exit).

The plane that alledgedly was flown into the ground is not visible anywhere in that hole instead the debris is shattered along a few sq. miles. This to me indicates it blew up in the sky.

The Deutch bank building that was heavily damaged is waiting to be demolished and that will cost around 300 Million. Why not set it on fire? It works you know, 3 building came down because of fire and some structural damage......

10.000 workers (that have gotten a setllement) have serious health problems as a result of working on ground zero. The report that I linked to explains why these workers (some) have what they have. The dust that has been analysed shows unexplainable high levels of certain elements that only occur as a result of some nuclear fission process.

The Russian said he believes some kind of nulear device was involved that created a cavity under the core of these building

which I find now possible as the pictures clearly show a huge hole getting filled up with concrete. The walls of the hole look like if the rock was molten before, this is without doubt. Just Google for molten rock or vulcano eruptions or something and you can compare and decide for yourself.

If you can find out how all these building came down you are a step closer as to why, I believe.

Re the report here:

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/...eagar-0112.html

As the joists on one or two of the most heavily burned floors gave way and the outer box columns began to bow outward, the floors above them also fell. The floor below (with its 1,300 t design capacity) could not support the roughly 45,000 t of ten floors (or more) above crashing down on these angle clips. This started the domino effect that caused the buildings to collapse within ten seconds, hitting bottom with an estimated speed of 200 km per hour. If it had been free fall, with no restraint, the collapse would have only taken eight seconds and would have impacted at 300 km/h.

however, a debunker would say:

"Where is the delay that must be expected due to conservation of momentum – one of the foundational Laws of Physics? That is, as upper-falling floors strike lower floors – and intact steel support columns – the fall must be significantly impeded by the impacted mass. If the central support columns remained standing, then the effective resistive mass would be less, but this is not the case – somehow the enormous support columns failed/disintegrated along with the falling floor pans," writes Professor Steven Jones"

where is the core, around which the pancaked floors slid down (at near free fall speed)

There are a few pictures on the net that show

not very clear but visible only a hole at the entry point, no damage visible from engines, wings etc. That hole cannot have been made by a plane (entry and exit).

The plane that alledgedly was flown into the ground is not visible anywhere in that hole instead the debris is shattered along a few sq. miles. This to me indicates it blew up in the sky.

Then post the pictures before the roof collapsed.

While you are at it, post a link that shows the debris from the Pennsylvania crash site is scattered along a few square miles as you claim.

Apparently, the approach to the Pentagon was a very clever piece of flying, yet the alleged hijacker, Hani Hanjour was so incompetant that that the flight school he attended wouldn't even let him hire a single engine aircraft!

One thing I have wondered about the Pentagon attack....where are the wings, or where are the marks of the wings....the hole is just a round hole and if the wings broke off....where are they? Wouldn't they be sitting on the grass outside? Keeping in mind that a plane is not two wings stuck to a fuselage....it is a fuselage sitting on a wing.

What hole are you referring to?

No, the wings wouldn't "be sitting on the grass outside". A commercial jetliner isn't a snap-together toy. It has rivets and screws and all sorts of neat stuff to hold it together.

Here are a number of pictures for you to peruse. Scan down for photos showing where the aircraft entered the Pentagon.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http:/...%26tbs%3Disch:1

I looked at your link.....the pics of the Pentagon don't show much at all. What's your point with those pic as a response to my post?

While you are at it, post a link that shows the debris from the Pennsylvania crash site is scattered along a few square miles as you claim.

A map of the Flight 93 debris field. [source: Pittsburgh Tribune- Review]

'Black box' from Pennsylvania crash found

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/13/penn.attack/

SHANKSVILLE, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- Searchers Thursday found one of the so-called black boxes from United Airlines Flight 93, the hijacked airliner that crashed Tuesday in western Pennsylvania.

Meanwhile, investigators say they've found debris from the crash at least eight miles away from the crash site.

A second debris field was around Indian Lake about 3 miles from the crash scene. Some debris was in the lake and some was adjacent to the lake.

More debris from the plane was found in New Baltimore, some 8 miles away from the crash.

Then post the pictures before the roof collapsed.

AGM-86C/D

The AGM-86C is a Conventional Air-Launched Cruise Missile (CALCM) and is a conventional blast/fragmentation derivative of the nuclear armed AGM-86B. The AGM-86D is the Penetrator version of the CALCM which is designed to attack deeply buried targets.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http:/...%26tbs%3Disch:1

If you look at those pictures in the attached link, you will see that BUFFOON of a president even left himself a note at the scene of the crime, its written in that picture towards the end with the Police officer sitting near it.

Proof that people let their emotions control things like this, rather than looking a little closer at the real issues.

Your quoted post has proven your point. It is your passionate disliike of GWB that drives your emotions, thereby depriving you of taking a little closer look at the issues.

Not exactly & again I have taken a slightly closer look at the issues and the constant denomination I come up with is a fishy smell. Are we allowed to agree and disagree on certain things as we look into this or has everyone got to come out with the same results as you chuckd?

Thanks WR for finding and posting the pictures.

The scattered debris, a hole in the ground, I think they just shot the plane down and then a missile in the ground as people would not like to hear that a story has been made up of some heroic passengers that made an attempt to break into the cockpit

and then the hijackers going into a nosedive and crash it in the ground.

Maybe it is easier to ask Chuck if he needed to create such wide field of debris, what would be more likely to be succesfull?

1. Dive plane into the ground?

2. Shoot/destroy the plane while in horizontal relatively low altidude?

3. Steer plane into the ground, fire a few missiles to make sure (any witnesses passengers are vaporised and) debris is scattered widely.

1. Dive plane into the ground?

2. Shoot/destroy the plane while in horizontal relatively low altidude?

3. Steer plane into the ground, fire a few missiles to make sure (any witnesses passengers are vaporised and) debris is scattered widely.

Even a missile wouldnt create a force that would eject upto 8 miles away? look at the wooded area behind... would have to be a very sharp angle straight up...

If you look at those pictures in the attached link, you will see that BUFFOON of a president even left himself a note at the scene of the crime, its written in that picture towards the end with the Police officer sitting near it.

Proof that people let their emotions control things like this, rather than looking a little closer at the real issues.

Your quoted post has proven your point. It is your passionate disliike of GWB that drives your emotions, thereby depriving you of taking a little closer look at the issues.

Not exactly & again I have taken a slightly closer look at the issues and the constant denomination I come up with is a fishy smell. Are we allowed to agree and disagree on certain things as we look into this or has everyone got to come out with the same results as you chuckd?

Nope. You can believe anything you wish, as I can. Talking about fishy, however, could it not be your obvious vehemence for Bush is coloring your objectivity?

Your BUFFOON comment was the first clue.

Life goes on, as they say.

Any ideas Chuck on how to create a wide area of debris?

You say you have some military experience, you might have a few buddies that handled bombs and missiles perhaps even tested them.

What are your thoughts on that?

A bit cleaned up picture of the Pentacon before roof collapse.

If you look at those pictures in the attached link, you will see that BUFFOON of a president even left himself a note at the scene of the crime, its written in that picture towards the end with the Police officer sitting near it.

Proof that people let their emotions control things like this, rather than looking a little closer at the real issues.

Your quoted post has proven your point. It is your passionate disliike of GWB that drives your emotions, thereby depriving you of taking a little closer look at the issues.

Not exactly & again I have taken a slightly closer look at the issues and the constant denomination I come up with is a fishy smell. Are we allowed to agree and disagree on certain things as we look into this or has everyone got to come out with the same results as you chuckd?

Nope. You can believe anything you wish, as I can. Talking about fishy, however, could it not be your obvious vehemence for Bush is coloring your objectivity?

Your BUFFOON comment was the first clue.

Life goes on, as they say.

Could it be that your obvious admiration for Bush the Buffoon is colouring your objectivity?

Your making out that a person calling the buffoon a buffoon as "vehemence for" that buffoon is not the first clue.

ND's just calling a spade a spade.

So, the Bush Admin was able to pull off 9/11 without a hitch to give us something to blame Saddam for so we can take his oil and not one person has come forth to leak any info yet the Bushies aren't smart enough to plant some WMD in Iraq after knowingly lying to the world about their existence? As crazy (stupid) as that sounds, it's more likely than the WTC being brought down by a mini-nuke.

So, the Bush Admin was able to pull off 9/11 without a hitch to give us something to blame Saddam for so we can take his oil and not one person has come forth to leak any info yet the Bushies aren't smart enough to plant some WMD in Iraq after knowingly lying to the world about their existence? As crazy (stupid) as that sounds, it's more likely than the WTC being brought down by a mini-nuke.

Really!

Your making out that a person calling the buffoon a buffoon as "vehemence for" that buffoon is not the first clue.

They say that it takes one to know one and that certainly seems to be the case around here.

Your making out that a person calling the buffoon a buffoon as "vehemence for" that buffoon is not the first clue.

They say that it takes one to know one and that certainly seems to be the case around here.

Come on UG, you know Im a fan of your work, but this kind of business just muddies the water . Are you on the US govt payrole or something.

sheish

I worked very dilligently yesterday to respond to the numerous posts reflecting conspiracy theories. Three times I had a post near completion and the power failed each time and erased all my hard work. I have finally come to the conclusion that God is sending me a message and telling me the conspiracy theorists are correct and I have been wrong all along. Here is what I have discovered really happened...

The four airliners hijacked on 9/11 did not fly into the Twin Towers, Pentagon and the field in Pennsylvania. They were actually flown to a small island in the Carribean where all the passsengers, flight crew and terrorists are living under the witness protection program. The aircraft were repainted as appropriate, tail numbers changed and are back in service with several African airlines and are now hauling weapons to use in rebellions. The CIA is selling the weapons and using the funds to create revolutions in South America. The 19 Saudi Arabian terrorists are now running the 7-11s and taxi services located around the island.

The aircraft you thought you saw on 9/11 were really balsa wood reproductions that were dropped from high flying B-52's and merely glided into the Twin Towers by remote control, where controlled explosions were detonated at the precise moment each of them hit the buildings. The explosives for the aircraft impact special effects were put in place weeks earlier by Hollywood "artists" specializing in controlled demolitions. The balsa wood aircraft were hand carved in Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works by craftsmen brought in from Alaska, experienced in totem pole carvery, and were kept in Area 51 until such time as the attack on New York was deemed to be necessary.

The collapse of the Twin Towers was, indeed, two small nukes provided by the CPUSA, being gifts from Putin. They were extremely clean bombs, a procedure known only to the Russians, thereby concealing the nuclear effects on all people that were able to survive the previously described explosive actions. The two building were reduced to rubble immediately after MSNBC got Chris Matthews sobered up and on the air so he could report the disaster and blame Bush, AKA the BUFFOON.

WTC-7 was really an accident as there was some debris that accidentally fell incorrectly from the North Tower, causing severe damage to the building. Seeing an opportunity to get yet another high rise building to collapse, the conspirators quickly gathered a team of New Zealand's best sappers and sent them running through the burning building, planting explosives as required to bring it down. This plan went off exceptionally well, considering this was the first time the sappers had actually been trusted with live explosives.

Now, on to the Pentagon. Since we now know the aircraft was diverted to the Carribean and did not crash into the building, the truth can come out that it was a Cruise Missile launched from a nuclear submarine off the East Coast of the US. Aircraft parts, such as landing gears, engines, flight recorders and scraps of aluminum were stored in the impact area so investigators would believe it was actually an airplane that crashed and not a Cruise Missile. Subterfuge at its best.

The crash in Pennsylvania was a little more difficult since a hole in the ground had to be made and aircraft debris scattered over, oh, say an eight mile area. The logistics of this were impressive. A 2,000 pound bomb was dropped in the empty field while, nearby, there were three hydraulic dump trucks parked nearby loaded with aircraft parts from another crash scene. Once the bomb went off the three dump trucks drove to the scene and dumped their loads into the still smoldering hole and drove off. The debris field was a little more difficult but the USAF loaded some spare parts from the previous crashes, detailed above, into a Lockheed Martin C-5 and flew over a rectangular area large enough to impress even the most ardent conspiracy theorists and dropped their load in this designated area.

This plan was concocted by the CIA, NSA and the FBI. It was approved by GWB and Dick Cheney and simply required the cooperation of the US Air Force, US Navy, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Lockheed Martin, the government of New Zealand, Vladimir Putin, all major media outlets, 7,453 individuals working on the program and 5 Alaskan Eskimo totem pole whittlers. All of them have been sworn to secrecy and have not let any of the details out until just this moment. An Eskimo told the story to me.

That's my story and I am sticking by it.

Could it be that your obvious admiration for Bush the Buffoon is colouring your objectivity?

Your making out that a person calling the buffoon a buffoon as "vehemence for" that buffoon is not the first clue.

ND's just calling a spade a spade.

Are you talking about Bush or Obama?

Your making out that a person calling the buffoon a buffoon as "vehemence for" that buffoon is not the first clue.

They say that it takes one to know one and that certainly seems to be the case around here.

Come on UG, you know Im a fan of your work, but this kind of business just muddies the water. Are you on the US govt payrole or something.

That particular poster has no grounds to question anyone else's intelligence - including Bush.

I worked very dilligently yesterday to respond to the numerous posts reflecting conspiracy theories. Three times I had a post near completion and the power failed each time and erased all my hard work. I have finally come to the conclusion that God is sending me a message and telling me the conspiracy theorists are correct and I have been wrong all along. Here is what I have discovered really happened...

The four airliners hijacked on 9/11 did not fly into the Twin Towers, Pentagon and the field in Pennsylvania. They were actually flown to a small island in the Carribean where all the passsengers, flight crew and terrorists are living under the witness protection program. The aircraft were repainted as appropriate, tail numbers changed and are back in service with several African airlines and are now hauling weapons to use in rebellions. The CIA is selling the weapons and using the funds to create revolutions in South America. The 19 Saudi Arabian terrorists are now running the 7-11s and taxi services located around the island.

The aircraft you thought you saw on 9/11 were really balsa wood reproductions that were dropped from high flying B-52's and merely glided into the Twin Towers by remote control, where controlled explosions were detonated at the precise moment each of them hit the buildings. The explosives for the aircraft impact special effects were put in place weeks earlier by Hollywood "artists" specializing in controlled demolitions. The balsa wood aircraft were hand carved in Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works by craftsmen brought in from Alaska, experienced in totem pole carvery, and were kept in Area 51 until such time as the attack on New York was deemed to be necessary.

The collapse of the Twin Towers was, indeed, two small nukes provided by the CPUSA, being gifts from Putin. They were extremely clean bombs, a procedure known only to the Russians, thereby concealing the nuclear effects on all people that were able to survive the previously described explosive actions. The two building were reduced to rubble immediately after MSNBC got Chris Matthews sobered up and on the air so he could report the disaster and blame Bush, AKA the BUFFOON.

WTC-7 was really an accident as there was some debris that accidentally fell incorrectly from the North Tower, causing severe damage to the building. Seeing an opportunity to get yet another high rise building to collapse, the conspirators quickly gathered a team of New Zealand's best sappers and sent them running through the burning building, planting explosives as required to bring it down. This plan went off exceptionally well, considering this was the first time the sappers had actually been trusted with live explosives.

Now, on to the Pentagon. Since we now know the aircraft was diverted to the Carribean and did not crash into the building, the truth can come out that it was a Cruise Missile launched from a nuclear submarine off the East Coast of the US. Aircraft parts, such as landing gears, engines, flight recorders and scraps of aluminum were stored in the impact area so investigators would believe it was actually an airplane that crashed and not a Cruise Missile. Subterfuge at its best.

The crash in Pennsylvania was a little more difficult since a hole in the ground had to be made and aircraft debris scattered over, oh, say an eight mile area. The logistics of this were impressive. A 2,000 pound bomb was dropped in the empty field while, nearby, there were three hydraulic dump trucks parked nearby loaded with aircraft parts from another crash scene. Once the bomb went off the three dump trucks drove to the scene and dumped their loads into the still smoldering hole and drove off. The debris field was a little more difficult but the USAF loaded some spare parts from the previous crashes, detailed above, into a Lockheed Martin C-5 and flew over a rectangular area large enough to impress even the most ardent conspiracy theorists and dropped their load in this designated area.

This plan was concocted by the CIA, NSA and the FBI. It was approved by GWB and Dick Cheney and simply required the cooperation of the US Air Force, US Navy, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Lockheed Martin, the government of New Zealand, Vladimir Putin, all major media outlets, 7,453 individuals working on the program and 5 Alaskan Eskimo totem pole whittlers. All of them have been sworn to secrecy and have not let any of the details out until just this moment. An Eskimo told the story to me.

That's my story and I am sticking by it.

It's sounds so much more convincing the way you tell it.

I worked very dilligently yesterday to respond to the numerous posts reflecting conspiracy theories. Three times I had a post near completion and the power failed each time and erased all my hard work. I have finally come to the conclusion that God is sending me a message and telling me the conspiracy theorists are correct and I have been wrong all along. Here is what I have discovered really happened...

The four airliners hijacked on 9/11 did not fly into the Twin Towers, Pentagon and the field in Pennsylvania. They were actually flown to a small island in the Carribean where all the passsengers, flight crew and terrorists are living under the witness protection program. The aircraft were repainted as appropriate, tail numbers changed and are back in service with several African airlines and are now hauling weapons to use in rebellions. The CIA is selling the weapons and using the funds to create revolutions in South America. The 19 Saudi Arabian terrorists are now running the 7-11s and taxi services located around the island.

The aircraft you thought you saw on 9/11 were really balsa wood reproductions that were dropped from high flying B-52's and merely glided into the Twin Towers by remote control, where controlled explosions were detonated at the precise moment each of them hit the buildings. The explosives for the aircraft impact special effects were put in place weeks earlier by Hollywood "artists" specializing in controlled demolitions. The balsa wood aircraft were hand carved in Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works by craftsmen brought in from Alaska, experienced in totem pole carvery, and were kept in Area 51 until such time as the attack on New York was deemed to be necessary.

The collapse of the Twin Towers was, indeed, two small nukes provided by the CPUSA, being gifts from Putin. They were extremely clean bombs, a procedure known only to the Russians, thereby concealing the nuclear effects on all people that were able to survive the previously described explosive actions. The two building were reduced to rubble immediately after MSNBC got Chris Matthews sobered up and on the air so he could report the disaster and blame Bush, AKA the BUFFOON.

WTC-7 was really an accident as there was some debris that accidentally fell incorrectly from the North Tower, causing severe damage to the building. Seeing an opportunity to get yet another high rise building to collapse, the conspirators quickly gathered a team of New Zealand's best sappers and sent them running through the burning building, planting explosives as required to bring it down. This plan went off exceptionally well, considering this was the first time the sappers had actually been trusted with live explosives.

Now, on to the Pentagon. Since we now know the aircraft was diverted to the Carribean and did not crash into the building, the truth can come out that it was a Cruise Missile launched from a nuclear submarine off the East Coast of the US. Aircraft parts, such as landing gears, engines, flight recorders and scraps of aluminum were stored in the impact area so investigators would believe it was actually an airplane that crashed and not a Cruise Missile. Subterfuge at its best.

The crash in Pennsylvania was a little more difficult since a hole in the ground had to be made and aircraft debris scattered over, oh, say an eight mile area. The logistics of this were impressive. A 2,000 pound bomb was dropped in the empty field while, nearby, there were three hydraulic dump trucks parked nearby loaded with aircraft parts from another crash scene. Once the bomb went off the three dump trucks drove to the scene and dumped their loads into the still smoldering hole and drove off. The debris field was a little more difficult but the USAF loaded some spare parts from the previous crashes, detailed above, into a Lockheed Martin C-5 and flew over a rectangular area large enough to impress even the most ardent conspiracy theorists and dropped their load in this designated area.

This plan was concocted by the CIA, NSA and the FBI. It was approved by GWB and Dick Cheney and simply required the cooperation of the US Air Force, US Navy, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Lockheed Martin, the government of New Zealand, Vladimir Putin, all major media outlets, 7,453 individuals working on the program and 5 Alaskan Eskimo totem pole whittlers. All of them have been sworn to secrecy and have not let any of the details out until just this moment. An Eskimo told the story to me.

That's my story and I am sticking by it.

It's good to see (albeit somewhat suprising) that you acknowledge New Zealand for it's integral part. Our sappers are very good.

If only I knew my buffoon comment would have such a significant impact on this investigation.

Glad to see you've finally come around chuckd, thanks for the laugh. You failed to mention the importance of the banjo playing monkey.

Here a picture of one of the Arabs.

I worked very dilligently yesterday to respond to the numerous posts reflecting conspiracy theories. Three times I had a post near completion and the power failed each time and erased all my hard work. I have finally come to the conclusion that God is sending me a message and telling me the conspiracy theorists are correct and I have been wrong all along. Here is what I have discovered really happened...

Your Twoofer badge is in the mail!

but... you forgot an important point.... actually 3 important points.

This plan was concocted by the CIA, NSA and the FBI. It was approved by GWB and Dick Cheney and simply required the cooperation of the US Air Force, US Navy, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Lockheed Martin, the government of New Zealand, Vladimir Putin, all major media outlets, 7,453 individuals working on the program and 5 Alaskan Eskimo totem pole whittlers.

The list above (not sure about NZ or the eskimos) were in fact running 'operations and exercises' (war games) on september 11th.

simulating exactly the things that happened.. hijacking. attacks on pentagon, new york etc etc.

read this:

Vigilant Guardian, the semiannual NORAD exercise that had been running in conjunction with Global Guardian for several days and which postulated a bomber attack from the former Soviet Union. Vigilant Guardian is a Command Post Exercise (CPX), meaning it is conducted in offices and with computers, but without actual planes in the air. The exercise involves all NORAD command levels.[5] Out of a range of scenarios being run on September 11, 2001, one was a "traditional" simulated hijacking.[6] According to General Eberhart, after the first attack, "it took about 30 seconds" to make the adjustment to the real-world situation.

also running on 911:

Global Guardian, an annual command-level exercise organized by United States Strategic Command in cooperation with Space Command and NORAD.

(so add NASA to your list)

United States government operations and exercises on September 11, 2001

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States...tember_11,_2001

bear in mind 3 of these war games were running simultaneously on sept 11th. Targets: White house (flight 93), Pentagon, New York, etc

strangely enough the same thing happened in london on 7/7. Drills Drills Drills.

so in fact you may be correct.. but the unwitting conspirators didnt know what was real and what was 'live'...

Osama Bin Laden must have 'flipped it live' - as we twoofers say.

Moving to another subject now that I have singlehandedly solved the mystery of the falling towers, et al, may I ask a question of you more learned individuals in metallurgy?

Somewhere in this labyrinth of a thread, somebody said (methinks, there's that word again, it might have been Mr. Flying but not certain) fire had never caused the collapse of a steel reinforced building. I looked a bit but couldn't find it.

My question is...what caused the recent collapse of the oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico?

PS: Never die, you may use your BUFFOON'ery remark only as a last resort to this question.

(methinks, there's that word again, it might have been Mr. Flying but not certain) .

Sorry Chuck.... methinks it was not I