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exported terrorism, Israel has not done any of that

Mossad Assination squad( Should read 'Assassination'

I am just answering the above assertion, can't wait for Ugg's response,

True, they do assassinations (recently here in Dubai) - but that's different from terrorism.

how about this then!

and against americans no less. and the presenter of the clip is a former member of the house of representatives. mind you being from hollywood, i guess that would make him a democrat, wright! that wouldnt do, would it.

i can find more if youd like

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Do you know who David Duke is? He's the former Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan so his pronouncements on Israel and Jews should really be taken with very large quantities of salt.

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i am not denying that he is, am i? and before you ask no i do not support any of the views or beliefs of the kkk.

all i am trying to show is that israel commits terrorist acts.

i havent done any mudslinging or whinging.

Maybe you need to look these words up in the dictionary - as you have done a lot of both - and maybe read some history books that were not written by the Hamas terrorists or the KKK.

You have done nothing but sling a bunch mud that has been slung and refuted on here a million times in the past. I mean, here you are trying to blame Israel for a nutty lone assassin of an Israeli PM that you admit was trying to make peace with the Palestinians. Maybe you should concentrate on the fact that such people exist - there are many of them - and are looking for a way to get the Palestinians to coexist with them. There are certainly plenty of violent nuts who want anything but peace amongst the Palestinians, but they don't seem to bother you.

It is not the Israelis who declared war on the Arabs and it is not the Israelis who keep turning down peace deals. The Palestinians need to forget about corruption and graft and pushing the Jews into the sea and step up to the plate and do something for their own people.

It is your choice, beat the same old drum, beat it so loud you believe no one is can hear anything else,

Look who is talking. That works both ways.  :)

exported terrorism, Israel has not done any of that

Mossad Assination squad( Should read 'Assassination'

I am just answering the above assertion, can't wait for Ugg's response,

Mr al-Mabhouh was born in northern Gaza. In a video aired more than two weeks after his death he confessed to his involvement in the kidnap and murder of two Israeli soldiers during the first Palestinian intifada in 1989. He is believed to have masterminded the attempted smuggling of weapons into Gaza through Sudan last year
What is wrong with putting an end to a violent terrorist? No murdering innocent civilians any more for this scumbag. The Israelis are hardly the only country to do such things in self defense. :)

just 2 questions for ulysses

what is the real reason behind your grudge against the people of palestine?

why do you constantly keep defending the state of israel?

There sure are a lot of videos of this incident considering the activists have been claiming that Israel confiscated them all for weeks.  :) 

Too bad none of them refute the official Israeli version of what happened and in fact prove the activists were armed and looking for a fight. 

just 2 questions for ulysses

what is the real reason behind your grudge against the people of palestine?

why do you constantly keep defending the state of israel?

It is simple. The Palestinians have killed innocent people of all different nationalities all over the world and seem to have no real interest in making peace. They want to "push Israel into the sea."

Israel has the right to exist - and the world has agreed to this - and has little choice in having to deal harshly with 'eternal" enemies who have no interest in anything but destroying the whole country. 

how about this then!

and against americans no less. and the presenter of the clip is a former member of the house of representatives. mind you being from hollywood, i guess that would make him a democrat, wright! that wouldnt do, would it.

i can find more if youd like

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Tigerfish:

David Duke is from Louisiana, not Hollywood.

David Duke was not a member of the US House of Representatives. He was a member of the Louisiana state government for a brief period of time.

David Duke may or may not be a Democrat.

David Duke was the Grand Dragon of the Klu Klux Klan.

David Duke is a certified lunatic.

Tigerfish should do some research on his sources before he posts them.

True, they do assassinations (recently here in Dubai) - but that's different from terrorism.

And thats me out of this thread.

Because it is all down to your already preconceived right and wrongs, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, assassination is differient to terrorism.

All about your point of view or how you see it, Is Israel Right, are the Palestinians correct in their protestations, look at the facts, if everyone is so blind that they cannot see, or an eye for an eye is blatently wrong, because everybody ends up blind.

It is your choice, beat the same old drum, beat it so loud you believe no one is can hear anything else,

It's not about who is right or wrong. It's just a verifiable fact that assassination isn't defined as terrorism. Choose at random a online dictionary and check for yourself.

To me, assassination is a way of taking out a specific individual, usually the leader of some organization or country because you don't like him. Terrorism is a more random mass killing of innocent people in order to influence a country's behaviour/policies (get out of Palestine for example). When that Hamas leader in Dubai was assassinated earlier this year, people weren't afraid to check into hotels anymore out of fear of being assassinated. When someone blows up a plane or bus, people are afraid.

Back to the point, who is Saudi Arabia more worried about - Israel or Iran? If Israel has had nuclear capabilities all these years, why haven't the Arab nations been making a big stink about it? All I ever read about is how they oppose their treatment of the Palestinians. The Arabs either believe Israel doesn't have nukes, or they aren't afraid they will use them.

Terrorism is a more random mass killing of innocent people in order to influence a country's behaviour/policies

i would agree, rolleyes.gif

Im wondering what your thoughts are on the USS Liberty incident?

according to wikipedia;

Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the identity of the USS Liberty.Some survivors, in addition to some U.S. diplomats and intelligence officials involved in the incident continue to dispute these official findings, saying the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was not a mistake,

from the Chicago Tribune;

Veterans, documents suggest U.S., Israel didn't tell full story of deadly '67 incident

Bryce Lockwood, Marine staff sergeant, Russian-language expert, recipient of the Silver Star for heroism, ordained Baptist minister, is shouting into the phone.

"I'm angry! I'm seething with anger! Forty years, and I'm seething with anger!"

Lockwood was aboard the USS Liberty, a super-secret spy ship on station in the eastern Mediterranean, when four Israeli fighter jets flew out of the afternoon sun to strafe and bomb the virtually defenseless vessel on June 8, 1967, the fourth day of what would become known as the Six-Day War.

For Lockwood and many other survivors, the anger is mixed with incredulity: that Israel would attack an important ally, then attribute the attack to a case of mistaken identity by Israeli pilots who had confused the U.S. Navy's most distinctive ship with an Egyptian horse-cavalry transport that was half its size and had a dissimilar profile. And they're also incredulous that, for years, their own government would reject their calls for a thorough investigation.

"They tried to lie their way out of it!" Lockwood shouts. "I don't believe that for a minute! You just don't shoot at a ship at sea without identifying it, making sure of your target!"

also

The Johnson administration did not publicly dispute Israel's claim that the attack had been nothing more than a disastrous mistake. But internal White House documents obtained from the Lyndon B. Johnson Presidential Library show that the Israelis' explanation of how the mistake had occurred was not believed.

Except for McNamara, most senior administration officials from Secretary of State Dean Rusk on down privately agreed with Johnson's intelligence adviser, Clark Clifford, who was quoted in minutes of a National Security Council staff meeting as saying it was "inconceivable" that the attack had been a case of mistaken identity.

and

Was the U.S. flag visible?

For all its apparent complexity, the attack on the Liberty can be reduced to a single question: Was the ship flying the American flag at the time of the attack, and was that flag visible from the air?

The survivors interviewed by the Tribune uniformly agree that the Liberty was flying the Stars and Stripes before, during and after the attack, except for a brief period in which one flag that had been shot down was replaced with another, larger flag -- the ship's "holiday colors" -- that measured 13 feet long.

Concludes one of the declassified NSA documents: "Every official interview of numerous Liberty crewmen gave consistent evidence that indeed the Liberty was flying an American flag -- and, further, the weather conditions were ideal to ensure its easy observance and identification."

The Israeli court of inquiry that examined the attack, and absolved the Israeli military of criminal culpability, came to precisely the opposite conclusion.

"Throughout the contact," it declared, "no American or any other flag appeared on the ship."

sound familiar? Must be the trained Israeli eyes again.

the article continues..

Yiftah Spector, the first Israeli pilot to attack the ship, told the Jerusalem Post in 2003 that when he first spotted the Liberty, "I circled it twice and it did not fire on me. My assumption was that it was likely to open fire at me and nevertheless I slowed down and I looked and there was positively no flag."

But the Liberty crewmen interviewed by the Tribune said the Israeli jets simply appeared and began shooting. They also said the Liberty did not open fire on the planes because it was armed only with four .50-caliber machine guns intended to repel boarders.

so no one fired on the aircraft, yet the pilot assumed they would so he attacked

also,

"I can't identify it, but in any case it's a military ship," Spector radioed his ground controller, according to a transcript of the Israeli air-to-ground communications published by the Jerusalem Post in 2004.

That transcript, made by a Post reporter who was allowed to listen to what the Israeli Air Force said were tapes of the attacking pilots' communications, contained only two references to "American" or "Americans," one at the beginning and the other at the end of the attack.

The first reference occurred at 1:54 p.m. local time, two minutes before the Israeli jets began their first strafing run.

In the Post transcript, a weapons system officer on the ground suddenly blurted out, "What is this? Americans?"

"Where are Americans?" replied one of the air controllers.

The question went unanswered, and it was not asked again.

hhmm

there are more references in the article

My link

The Liberty incident has been mentioned here many times before, but just what does it have to do with radical militants trying to run a military blockade?  :)

Here's a link some of you might find interesting. It shows an interesting style of life in Gaza for some.

Thank Gawd chuck :)

I guess all those pics of life for some ...others?? & all the chard by white phosphorus bodies of kids etc was just Gaza Hollywood. Whew.....relief..thanks

Oh.....btw if you want a more...ummm balanced view...This is taken by the UN News agency Irin.

They have no side eh?

Instead of a site like the one you pointed out that is run by the X jerusalem correspondent that makes a living out of claiming media is falsely slanted against israel.

IRIN | Photo | Slice of Life in Gaza - March 2010 | Photo Gallery

Terrorism is a more random mass killing of innocent people in order to influence a country's behaviour/policies

i would agree, rolleyes.gif

Im wondering what your thoughts are on the USS Liberty incident?

You have to go back 43 years to find an example? Um, ok.

Here's a link some of you might find interesting. It shows an interesting style of life in Gaza for some.

Thank Gawd chuck :)

I guess all those pics of life for some ...others?? & all the chard by white phosphorus bodies of kids etc was just Gaza Hollywood. Whew.....relief..thanks

Oh.....btw if you want a more...ummm balanced view...This is taken by the UN News agency Irin.

They have no side eh?

Instead of a site like the one you pointed out that is run by the X jerusalem correspondent that makes a living out of claiming media is falsely slanted against israel.

IRIN | Photo | Slice of Life in Gaza - March 2010 | Photo Gallery

We have more than enough pictures from your side of the oppressed peoples. I was just presenting another side that seems to be for the diplomats, news media, politicians, NGOs and a few others. I knew people like you would only attack it.

When are you going to answer my questions from the last two pages or so? Interesting that you have time to criticize opposing views but never have time to offer anything constructive.

The Liberty incident has been mentioned here many times before, but just what does it have to do with radical militants trying to run a military blockade? :)

it was mentioned in the David Duke video and chuckd dismissed him as a

certified lunatic

it also hightlights that the Israeli Defence Forces usually come up with a contridicting story to what has happened.

so any thoughts on that incident, and did you see any orange "suicide vests" in the video in post #257?

no one actually cared to reply except koheesti's joke being happy if they blew themselves up

heres the video if anyones interested

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/11/gaza-flotilla-attack-new-video

Terrorism is a more random mass killing of innocent people in order to influence a country's behaviour/policies

i would agree, rolleyes.gif

Im wondering what your thoughts are on the USS Liberty incident?

You have to go back 43 years to find an example? Um, ok.

so does it make it all ok?

Donnyboy, on 2010-06-14 12:40, said:

it was mentioned in the David Duke video and chuckd dismissed him as a certified lunatic.

In other words, NOTHING and David Duke is a certified lunatic if you are not a racist nut. :)

It's not about who is right or wrong. It's just a verifiable fact that assassination isn't defined as terrorism. Choose at random a online dictionary and check for yourself.

To me, assassination is a way of taking out a specific individual, usually the leader of some organization or country because you don't like him. Terrorism is a more random mass killing of innocent people in order to influence a country's behaviour/policies (get out of Palestine for example). When that Hamas leader in Dubai was assassinated earlier this year, people weren't afraid to check into hotels anymore out of fear of being assassinated. When someone blows up a plane or bus, people are afraid.

Back to the point, who is Saudi Arabia more worried about - Israel or Iran? If Israel has had nuclear capabilities all these years, why haven't the Arab nations been making a big stink about it? All I ever read about is how they oppose their treatment of the Palestinians. The Arabs either believe Israel doesn't have nukes, or they aren't afraid they will use them.

Quit using sensible reason here, Koheesti. You've got to be either black or white. :)

Donnyboy, on 2010-06-14 12:40, said:

it was mentioned in the David Duke video and chuckd dismissed him as a certified lunatic.

In other words, NOTHING and David Duke is a certified lunatic if you are not a racist nut. :)

so, just cause Duke mentioned in the video, the Liberty incident, you have dismissed it? smile.gif

Terrorism is a more random mass killing of innocent people in order to influence a country's behaviour/policies

i would agree, rolleyes.gif

Im wondering what your thoughts are on the USS Liberty incident?

You have to go back 43 years to find an example? Um, ok.

so does it make it all ok?

It doesn't make it all ok, but more to the point, it emphasises how Israel blocks sensitive and embarrassing information. The truth about the IDF's murder on the high seas last week may take 40 years or more to come out.

Why did they confiscate all video footage that they could find? Something to hide perhaps?

how about this then!

and against americans no less. and the presenter of the clip is a former member of the house of representatives. mind you being from hollywood, i guess that would make him a democrat, wright! that wouldnt do, would it.

i can find more if youd like

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=za2eXIVhUqM

Tigerfish:

David Duke is from Louisiana, not Hollywood.

David Duke was not a member of the US House of Representatives. He was a member of the Louisiana state government for a brief period of time.

David Duke may or may not be a Democrat.

David Duke was the Grand Dragon of the Klu Klux Klan.

David Duke is a certified lunatic.

Tigerfish should do some research on his sources before he posts them.

o.k. so duke is what you say he is, fair enough.

as for the research side of things, unfortunately this was the only footage i could find that covered both the subject matters.and i knew both incidents had taken place. did you?

so what you are now saying, is that the lavon and uss liberty attacks never took place then!

i find this quite unbelievable coming from an american!

perhaps youd like to explain to the friends and family of your fellow countrymen who were affected by these incidents. why these events were covered up and why your government has never sort to make israel accountable for their actions.

The attack on the USS Cole was grounds for HUGE resentment. The attack on USS Liberty was brushed under the carpet. Why?

Jewish influence perhaps?

We have more than enough pictures from your side of the oppressed peoples. I was just presenting another side that seems to be for the diplomats, news media, politicians, NGOs and a few others. I knew people like you would only attack it.

When are you going to answer my questions from the last two pages or so? Interesting that you have time to criticize opposing views but never have time to offer anything constructive.

If I see a valid question I answer it... If I see a uncomprehending problem I tend to hope you will sort it yourself... & not need a obvious hand...

Go back & read the post again & who I was replying to when you butted in. Then you may have your answer as everyone else but you did.

As for your sides pics??? as I said a correspondent for Israel versus the UN new agency...

Yup we see what is valid & un-biased there dont we :) Sorry next :D

Aid Ship Stormed,

Yeah, until that happened, so over the top.

I had some sympathy for the Isaeli cause.

Guess I am neutral now.

Hafta wait and see.

Edited out the entire post. OBE

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