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Good posts,General. An open & shut case if there ever were one - unless someone just doesn't like Jews.

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You have once again hit the nail on the head. There is no disputing that there were Jews there all along and that they were perfectly willing to share the land with the Arabs. They were not the ones that started - and lost - all those wars. :thumbsup:

You have once again hit the nail on the head. There is no disputing that there were Jews there all along and that they were perfectly willing to share the land with the Arabs. They were not the ones that started - and lost - all those wars. :thumbsup:

so how do you explain the fact of bulldozers demolishing peoples homes. and people that have keys, deeds and documentation that support the fact that they own the land that their homes are buiit on, but are not allowed to live in those homes?

open and shut case my backside! :whistling:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=A4PEtyzCix8

Al Jazeera are notorious for lying about anything to do with Israel, so this could be nothing but propaganda.If nothing else, you can be sure there is much more to the story than they are telling.

These are the same hacks that claimed that the Gaza blockade running activists had never raised a hand against the Israeli soldiers even though they had a reporter on the ship. They had to change their tune when the army video footage came out of a crowd of mercenaries attacking the soldiers with metal clubs.

Now, instead of trying to ignore the real issue, why don't you prove that there were not a good number of Jews in Jerusalem for centuries and that they had as much right to the land as the few Arabs who shared it with them and far more than the ones who came in from other areas to enjoy all that the Jews had accomplished? Why don't you prove that there was a country called Palestine and a people called Palestinians? Probably because you can't. ;)

<br>Al Jazeera are notorious for lying about anything to do with Israel, so this could be nothing but propaganda.If nothing else, you can be sure there is much more to the story than they are telling.<br><br>These are the same hacks that claimed that the Gaza blockade running activists had never raised a hand against the Israeli soldiers and they had a reporter on the ship. They had to change their tune when the army video footage came out of a crowd of mercenaries attacking the soldiers with metal clubs. <br><br>Now, why don't you prove that there were not a good number of Jews in Jerusalem for centuries and that  they had as much right to the land as the few Arabs who shared it with them and far more than the ones who came from other areas? Why don't you prove that there was a country called Palestine and a people called Palestinians? Because you can't.   <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif" class="bbc_emoticon" alt=";)"><br><br><br>
<div><br></div><div>yes your always wright, arent you UG.</div><div>this coming from someone who has never set foot in the land of israel/palestine, but believes everything he is fed.</div><div>so narrow minded i must say. god it must be so great to be perfect!</div><div>metal bars against semi-automatic weapons and in international waters. what would you have done oh mighty one?</div><div>al jazeera lying, but israelie and u.s. news agencies never do that though, do they?</div><div><br></div><div>btw, why did it take hundreds and hundreds of years in exile for the jews to finally decide that they wanted their so called homeland back?</div><div>why no sooner?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div><div><div> <br><br>.

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I notice that you are totally ignoring the issue and have no evidence that I am wrong. What good is it it living in the Middle East when you have never read a book on the history of the place and have no idea of why things are the way they are?

Claiming that you are a big expert is getting sillier and sillier as others who lived there, far longer than you, say that you have no clue what you are talking about..

For someone who can not even enter a post correctly and who knows almost nothing about the history of the region, you sure are full of B.S.and false bravado. Now, instead of trying to shoot the messenger, why don't you try to prove that I am not correct?

Because you can't.:lol:

Just one of the very similar comments left under the videos you are posting. Now tell us all about how the hatred for Israel has nothing to do with anti-Semitism and it is all Zionist lies. :rolleyes:

Hitler was a visionary...he left a few of these scums to show the world why he tried to annihilate them in the first place.

GOD BLESS HIS SOUL

theres hatred on both sides UG. Its not all one way.

just to give you an example,comments made under the video you posted have plenty of hate speech against Palenstinians and arabs, most of which cannot be posted here, as its against forum rules to post hate speech,profanity etc etc

(see comments under)

get the picture?

I notice that you are totally ignoring the issue and have no evidence that I am wrong. What good is it it living in the Middle East when you have never read a book on the history of the place and have no idea of why things are the way they are?

Claiming that you are a big expert is getting sillier and sillier as others who lived there, far longer than you, say that you have no clue what you are talking about..

For someone who can not even enter a post correctly and who knows almost nothing about the history of the region, you sure are full of B.S.and false bravado. Now, instead of trying to shoot the messenger, why don't you try to prove that I am not correct?

Because you can't.:lol:

ignoring the issue, like you havent done that on numerous amounts of times. when given facts.

people who have lived there far longer than me, like who? and where exactly did they live. maybe they have lived there longer, but in what areas?

when did i claim that i was such a big expert? your words not mine. and since when does reading a book, make you such a big expert on the subjectwhistling.gif

AFYI i tried on three occasions to correct my post but to no avail

b.s and bravado, hmmm, i thought that was your line seeing as where you come from.

mine is more action rather than wordswink.gif

I notice that you are totally ignoring the issue and have no evidence that I am wrong. What good is it it living in the Middle East when you have never read a book on the history of the place and have no idea of why things are the way they are?

Claiming that you are a big expert is getting sillier and sillier as others who lived there, far longer than you, say that you have no clue what you are talking about..

For someone who can not even enter a post correctly and who knows almost nothing about the history of the region, you sure are full of B.S.and false bravado. Now, instead of trying to shoot the messenger, why don't you try to prove that I am not correct?

Because you can't.:lol:

ignoring the issue, like you havent done that on numerous amounts of times. when given facts.

people who have lived there far longer than me, like who? and where exactly did they live. maybe they have lived there longer, but in what areas?

when did i claim that i was such a big expert? your words not mine. and since when does reading a book, make you such a big expert on the subjectwhistling.gif

AFYI i tried on three occasions to correct my post but to no avail

b.s and bravado, hmmm, i thought that was your line seeing as where you come from.

mine is more action rather than wordswink.gif

Yes, there is hatred on both sides, but only one side started all the wars and, on the other hand, only one side has ever sincerely tried to negotiate for peace.

When someone has no interest in anything but wiping you out and has proclaimed it over and over again, hatred is not that unreasonable an emotion.

I notice that you are totally ignoring the issue and have no evidence that I am wrong. What good is it it living in the Middle East when you have never read a book on the history of the place and have no idea of why things are the way they are?

Claiming that you are a big expert is getting sillier and sillier as others who lived there, far longer than you, say that you have no clue what you are talking about..

For someone who can not even enter a post correctly and who knows almost nothing about the history of the region, you sure are full of B.S.and false bravado. Now, instead of trying to shoot the messenger, why don't you try to prove that I am not correct?

Because you can't.:lol:

ignoring the issue, like you havent done that on numerous amounts of times. when given facts.

people who have lived there far longer than me, like who? and where exactly did they live. maybe they have lived there longer, but in what areas?

when did i claim that i was such a big expert? your words not mine. and since when does reading a book, make you such a big expert on the subjectwhistling.gif

AFYI i tried on three occasions to correct my post but to no avail

b.s and bravado, hmmm, i thought that was your line seeing as where you come from.

mine is more action rather than wordswink.gif

as for proving you wrong ive done it on more than one occasion, so whats the point in trying to lead a horse to water, that doesnt want to drink.

I notice that you are totally ignoring the issue and have no evidence that I am wrong. What good is it it living in the Middle East when you have never read a book on the history of the place and have no idea of why things are the way they are?

Claiming that you are a big expert is getting sillier and sillier as others who lived there, far longer than you, say that you have no clue what you are talking about..

For someone who can not even enter a post correctly and who knows almost nothing about the history of the region, you sure are full of B.S.and false bravado. Now, instead of trying to shoot the messenger, why don't you try to prove that I am not correct?

Because you can't.:lol:

ignoring the issue, like you havent done that on numerous amounts of times. when given facts.

people who have lived there far longer than me, like who? and where exactly did they live. maybe they have lived there longer, but in what areas?

when did i claim that i was such a big expert? your words not mine. and since when does reading a book, make you such a big expert on the subjectwhistling.gif

AFYI i tried on three occasions to correct my post but to no avail

b.s and bravado, hmmm, i thought that was your line seeing as where you come from.

mine is more action rather than wordswink.gif

blah, blah blah...

It certainly looks like I am right. You are still trying to ignore the facts and - once again - posting a senseless load of dog doo .

By the way, if I recall correctly, you have never posted any accurate facts to dispute.

Yes, there is hatred on both sides, but only one side started all the wars and, on the other hand, only one side has ever sincerely tried to negotiate for peace.

When someone has no interest in anything but wiping you out and has proclaimed it over and over again, hatred is not that unreasonable an emotion.

so what you are saying is, Israel is never the aggressor?

No, I am saying that Israel has good reason to do what they do. Most Israelis would make peace in a second if there were any interest on the other side. However, there isn't.  :(

No, I am saying that Israel has good reason to do what they do. Most Israelis would make peace in a second if there were any interest on the other side. However, there isn't. :(

"most israelies would make peace in a second"

give me a break, you really havent been there have you?

Come on guys................Two deep breaths.

Two obviously passionately held sets of views which will not change................It is what it is.

No, I am saying that Israel has good reason to do what they do. Most Israelis would make peace in a second if there were any interest on the other side. However, there isn't.   :(

"most israelies would make peace in a second"

give me a break, you really havent been there have you?

It appears like you have not been there either. If you did, you certainly did not learn anything, but very blind hatred.  :whistling:

Come on guys................Two deep breaths.

Two obviously passionately held sets of views which will not change................It is what it is.

sadly you are wright suiging. it wont change, so whats the point!

at this moment in time, palestinians and arabs/muslims the world over are always going to be viewed by the western world, us. and israel as always being the bad guys.

Having hate filled loonies making excuses for acts of terrorism against innocent people all over the world does not really help their cause. 

No, I am saying that Israel has good reason to do what they do. Most Israelis would make peace in a second if there were any interest on the other side. However, there isn't. :(

"most israelies would make peace in a second"

give me a break, you really havent been there have you?

It appears like you have not been there either. If you did, you certainly did not learn anything, but very blind hatred. :whistling:

learn, yes a lot, blind no! at least not to what was happening around me.

even harder when youve lived there for over 3 and a half years on a kibbutz between ashkelon and beer sheva not far from the gaza border.

even more harder when you see your girlfriend and best mates going off to do their 2/3 years national service or 1 month milluim reserve, not knowing where they would be based and watching the news on t.v every night to see if anything has happened nearby to where they have been stationed.

these are what i call real israelies, the type that even though they dont particulary want to go and do their stint, they do. yes they would rather have peace, especially if you were to look at the amount of members from my kibbutz that had lost their lives whilst serving their country.

and then you have the orthodox/ religious and all the other types that want israel to remain as a state, that do bugger all.

mr and mrs horowitz from florida u.s.a that think that donating a couple of thousand dollars to the cause is in some way being patriotic, but dont want to live there. or settlers that think its their god given wright to take over land because its wriiten in the holy scriptures that the land belongs to the israelites. but dont want to serve in the armed services, because of religious beliefs. right wing politicians like menachen begin, yitzhak shamir, ariel sharon and benjamin netanyahu.

these are the type of people that yes whilst living there i grew to hate, just like my fellow kibbutzniks.

oh and btw i wont tell what kind of volunteers were disliked the most. i will give you three guesses though.

the same nationality who hailed from a country thats politicians liked to poke their nose into things that didnt concern them.

;)

thats me out, believe what you want to believe!

Having hate filled loonies making excuses for acts of terrorism against innocent people all over the world does not really help their cause.

you must admit UG, examples of storming ships in international waters, and using excessive force dont help the Israeli cause either

its a tragic cycle of violence and violations, and until the usual tit for tat cycle is broken, there will never be any peace

So you hate American Jews because they do not want to live in Israel and Israeli Jews who do not support the war (that you claim to be so against) and Israeli Jews who do not fight because it is against their religion and especially American Jews - because you do not like the U.S. government. I think that I am starting to understand. :jerk:

Having hate filled loonies making excuses for acts of terrorism against innocent people all over the world does not really help their cause.

you must admit UG, examples of storming ships in international waters, and using excessive force dont help the Israeli cause either

I agree, but allowing radicals to bring in advanced missiles and other weapons to Hamas - which is exactly what would happen with no blockade - would have much worse results than some more bad PR. Can you admit that?

So you hate American Jews because they do not want to live in Israel and Israeli Jews who do not support the war (that you claim to be so against) and Israeli Jews who do not fight because it is against their religion and especially American Jews - because you do not like the U.S. government. I think that I am starting to understand. :jerk:

just ask so many of the so called israelies you claim to know, what they think. whistling.gif

believe me after living there for 3 and a half years, thats one thing israelies arent afraid to do. tell you exactly what they think.

 

thats me out

I already have and some agree with you and many don't.

By the way, I thought you said that you were finished posting. I guess that I am just confused.  :rolleyes:

thats me out

I already have and some agree with you and many don't.

By the way, I thought you said that you were finished posting. I guess that I am just confused. :rolleyes:

your wright UG. i did say that was me finished on the subject, but i just couldnt resist.

goodnight!

hey its 10.10 p.m. isnt it past your bedtime. dont want to be getting even more confused you being in your senior years and all that.

Having hate filled loonies making excuses for acts of terrorism against innocent people all over the world does not really help their cause.

you must admit UG, examples of storming ships in international waters, and using excessive force dont help the Israeli cause either

I agree, but allowing radicals to bring in advanced missiles and other weapons to Hamas - which is exactly what would happen with no blockade - would have much worse results than some more bad PR. Can you admit that?

who knows,probably. I believe the blockade & occupation has done more damage to the people of Gaza than Hamas, and there lies the tragedy.

Having hate filled loonies making excuses for acts of terrorism against innocent people all over the world does not really help their cause.

you must admit UG, examples of storming ships in international waters, and using excessive force dont help the Israeli cause either

I agree, but allowing radicals to bring in advanced missiles and other weapons to Hamas - which is exactly what would happen with no blockade - would have much worse results than some more bad PR. Can you admit that?

who knows,probably. I believe the blockade & occupation has done more damage to the people of Gaza than Hamas, and there lies the tragedy.

There might be no need for the blockade & occupation if it were not for Hamas, but they have not stopped calling for the destruction of Israel or shooting missles at civilians. The only reason that suicide bombing stopped was because of the fence that the "International Community" always whines about.

I find it difficult to blame Israel for ignoring all the armchair critics and responding in kind. :huh:

these are what i call real israelies, the type that even though they dont particulary want to go and do their stint, they do. yes they would rather have peace, especially if you were to look at the amount of members from my kibbutz that had lost their lives whilst serving their country.

You know I saw some interesting shows on this recently. I admit I felt bad for these folks. It was a show that interviewed many that had returned & did not like what was happening & also those who had not left yet & as you said did not want to go. These were not peacenik types. The folks who had come home were hardened fighters & did not agree with what they were being asked to do. Same with those who had not left yet. It was not fear that made them unsure.

Sadly the change will have to come from these folks also. They cannot just make films & say they do not agree but go along grudgingly. If they feel it is wrong then they must stand behind their beliefs if they feel they are valid.

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