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From yesterday's Times of London:

There is a deal if only America can see it

Rosemary Righter

Last updated July 6 2010 12:01AM

In the Israeli-Palestinian conflict the internal prospect for peace is brighter than we think

Their last encounter was a toys-out-of-the-pram disaster, with Barack Obama huffily breaking off discussions and cancelling their dinner date. Today, the White House, to remedy that public falling-out, has ostentatiously rolled out the red carpet for the Israeli Prime Minister, Binyamin Netanyahu. But both leaders will tread it as cautiously as they would a minefield. There is a sense both in Israel and in the US that relations are in Murphy’s law territory: what can go wrong, will.

If the key to a settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict can be turned only by America, the outlook right now is pretty bleak. But there are three players in this game. Having just returned from a week of intensive discussions in Israel and the West Bank, I am at least half persuaded that two of them want to do business. The outlines of a peace deal have long been clear to everyone closely involved; it is a question of getting on with it. “Not because the big sticks prod us,” said a senior Israeli strategist, “but because stalemate is dangerous for us both.”

Can they — will they — get on with it? The internal prospect is brighter than the one the world sees. Mr Netanyahu and President Mahmoud Abbas may be like chalk and cheese, but almost everyone I saw, both in Israel and in Ramallah, the Palestinian Authority’s administrative capital, and whatever their politics, insists that things need to get sorted, and soon. And that this is “doable”. I heard “an endgame, an end of claims” so often that it began to sound like a cliché. Each, naturally, wants the other to jump first — the water’s lovely, I’m coming in right after you — but they also know they must jump together.

The big change is that the driving forces are internal. The first force — and it is a game-changer — is that life on the West Bank is getting better. Since Salam Fayyad took over as the Palestinian Authority’s Prime Minister, that chaotic, corrupt and violent graveyard of Palestinian hopes has become a thriving, rapidly modernising, peaceable economy that is growing this year at 8 per cent. Savings and investment are up, unemployment has fallen from 28 per cent to 16 per cent, potholed streets are being paved, construction is booming, and civil order is so well secured that there are cafés and the first cinema in 20 years has opened in Nablus.

Terrorism is being subdued by steadily more effective Palestinian security forces, co-operating with Israeli commanders who in turn have dismantled dozens of the internal checkpoints that made doing business, commuting and family life time-consuming, costly and difficult. All this without a political settlement.

This has been achieved without the encouragement of Arab states. Normality is the last thing some of the Palestinians’ Arab paymasters want to see, preferring the Palestinians to remain showcase victims. The West has had this year to frontload aid to compensate for the non-arrival of Arab aid cheques. By contrast, the Israeli military is won over to the counter-terrorism value of improving the Palestinian quality of life and rebuilding the credibility of the secular Fatah leadership. And Palestinians, businessmen and politicians quietly concede that they can learn a lot from Israel.

The second factor is fear of Hamas, a feeling as strong — perhaps stronger — among the Palestinians than it is on the other side of the divide. A top Palestinian negotiator put it bluntly: “With peace, we will win and Hamas will disappear. If we fail” — a finger drawn across the throat — “they will win and we will disappear. I admit that between 1948 and 1967, we lost every opportunity we had. But this time I fear it is the Israelis who are missing the opportunity. We need a deal.”

That determination is echoed, albeit more cautiously, on the Israeli side. Mr Netanyahu refuses to show his hand until the two sides sit down for direct talks again, rather than the US- brokered proximity talks that both sides say are going nowhere. But a senior member of Israel’s Cabinet insists there is “a sense of urgency on our side. Not everybody, but enough”.

Not only is the prospect of hanging concentrating minds, but Israeli and Palestinian leaders recognise their common interest in hanging together as partners — and they are frustrated by America’s failure to see what an opportunity this represents. Asked about Mr Obama, Palestinians say they made better progress with President Bush and Condoleezza Rice.

Israeli stock is low in the US, and Mr Obama’s inclination has so far been to file an Israeli-Palestinian settlement in the “too difficult” folder. He would do well, this time, to hear Mr Netanyahu out. US presidential engagement continues to matter because the Palestinians, in particular, feel the need of US guarantees that a deal, once reached, will have international backing. Israel, for its part, has yet to be convinced that a settlement would mark an end to Palestinian claims, not just a first slice. The final big question is whether the Palestinian Authority could deliver Gaza as well as the West Bank. The answer I got in Ramallah was robust: “With all our difficulties with Hamas, if we can only produce the baby, everyone will look after it.”

Mahmoud Abbas might be that guy as he wants to get rid of Hamas. He is no prince, but perhaps the best bet considering the alternatives.

It would be great if Abbas can make peace. His true motive is to take away power from Hamas, rather than any good towards his fellow man, but anything that works.  :thumbsup:

Israel admits Gaza flotilla raid 'mistakes'

Israel's military operation against a Gaza-bound aid flotilla was undermined by mistakes at a senior level, a military report has concluded.

The Israeli probe into the operation criticises intelligence gathering and forward planning, reports say.

Commanders also relied too heavily on one single plan, Israel says.

The aid flotilla was trying to break Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip when it was intercepted on 31 May. Nine activists died.

Retired general Giora Eiland, who chaired the panel tasked with scrutinising the operation, presented the results of the investigation to media in Tel Aviv.

"Mistakes were made in the various decisions taken, including within relatively senior ranks, which contributed to the result not being as we would have wished," he said, reports news agency AFP.

"In this inquiry we found that there were some professional mistakes regarding both the intelligence and the decision-making process."

They certainly made mistakes. They bought the scam that they were dealing with real "peace activists" and acted as such. They should have gone in expecting armed insurrection and being prepared for it. Somehow, I do not think they will make this mistake again. :ph34r:

They certainly made mistakes. They bought the scam that they were dealing with real "peace activists" and acted as such. They should have gone in expecting armed insurrection and being prepared for it. Somehow, I do not think they will make this mistake again. :ph34r:

I think the "mistake" that will be read into this is that the Israelis attacked a goup of peaceful humanitarians doing nothing more than bringing harmless aid to the oppressed Palestinian people.

Anyone who saw the tape of the soldiers being attacked with metal poles would have to be highly deluded to keep buying that line of sh_t. ;)

Anyone who saw the tape of the soldiers being attacked with metal poles would have to be highly deluded to keep buying that line of sh_t. ;)

Deluded or just plain anti-Semite.

  • 1 month later...
BBC's flotilla film slammed as 'biased'

The documentary's critics, angry the film wasn't as hostile to Israel as they thought it should be, are organizing protests. Here's why:

Using previously unseen video footage from the IDF and confiscated passenger tapes, mostly recorded by members of a group called Cultures of Resistance, the program concluded that the main aim of the activists had not been to bring humanitarian aid to Gaza, but rather to orchestrate a political act designed to put pressure on Israel and the international community.

The program also concluded that the Israeli commandos encountered a violent, premeditated attack by a hardcore group of activists organized by IHH members. Nine Turkish nationals were killed by the commandos after they came under attack when boarding the
Mavi Marmara
.

Meanwhile, two more Gaza-bound flotillas are reportedly soon to be on their way from Lebanon and Algeria.

BBC vindicates Israeli soldiers. :clap2:

Anyone who saw the tape of the soldiers being attacked with metal poles would have to be highly deluded to keep buying that line of sh_t. ;)

Deluded or just plain anti-Semite.

:cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:

As always, ANY critisism of Israel is labelled "anti-semite".

Israel can do no wrong. :boring:

That is rather ironic coming from someone who goes out of his way to condemn Israel, put down Jews and constantly question the validity of the Holocaust. If the shoe fits, wear it. :whistling:

Anyone who saw the tape of the soldiers being attacked with metal poles would have to be highly deluded to keep buying that line of sh_t. ;)

Deluded or just plain anti-Semite.

:cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:

As always, ANY critisism of Israel is labelled "anti-semite".

Israel can do no wrong. :boring:

That is rather ironic coming from someone who goes out of his way to condemn Israel, put down Jews and constantly question the validity of the Holocaust. If the shoe fits, wear it. :whistling:

Give him a break, UG. He worked on that snappy retort for a little over one month before he posted it. B)

I just wonder why some of you guys support Israel so much.

They clearly violated international law, you people seem to think Israel is above that?

If so, could you please explain why that is?

Just asking OK?

Kind regards,

Alex

I just wonder why some of you guys support Israel so much.

They clearly violated international law, you people seem to think Israel is above that?

If so, could you please explain why that is?

Which international law did they violate?

I think that it was the law about allowing all terrorists to bring weapons into your country. Now, which year did the UN pass that one? :whistling:

They certainly made mistakes. They bought the scam that they were dealing with real "peace activists" and acted as such. They should have gone in expecting armed insurrection and being prepared for it. Somehow, I do not think they will make this mistake again. :ph34r:

I think the "mistake" that will be read into this is that the Israelis attacked a goup of peaceful humanitarians doing nothing more than bringing harmless aid to the oppressed Palestinian people.

I think you will find that on six of the seven ships there were no 'incidents' because, as you say, these were people who genuinely believed that they were peaceful humanitarians bringing aid to the Palestinians of Gaza. Whether this was naive or not, they believed this.

The seventh ship was carrying Turkish militants who were looking for trouble and publicity. Hiding behind the screen of the international 'do-gooders', they were looking for trouble, incited it and found it.

I read today where they are going to sail two more ships of folly into the area to try and break the blockade.

One will be loaded with women, the other with journalists. The Israelis say the ships will be stopped.

Wonder if any of our "patriotic" Code Pinko's will be running around bare chested on board the all-female one?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100820/wl_mideast_afp/israelconflictgazablockadelebanonunenvoy_20100820181954

The three of you already have been 'Exposed' in my little experiment in another thread.

It is called : Cognitive dissonance.

I am sure you have to Google it.

Have a good day you supporters of terror.

The three of you already have been 'Exposed' in my little experiment in another thread.

It is called : Cognitive dissonance.

I am sure you have to Google it.

Have a good day you supporters of terror.

To translate from Alexese to English: "They have broken no laws, I just make that oft-repeated false accusation hoping that nobody ask for details"

The three of you already have been 'Exposed' in my little experiment in another thread.

It is called : Cognitive dissonance.

I am sure you have to Google it.

Have a good day you supporters of terror.

:cheesy:

I read today where they are going to sail two more ships of folly into the area to try and break the blockade.

One will be loaded with women, the other with journalists. The Israelis say the ships will be stopped.

Wonder if any of our "patriotic" Code Pinko's will be running around bare chested on board the all-female one?

http://news.yahoo.co..._20100820181954

they will probably wear the "orange suicide vests" thou :whistling:

btw did the IDF ever find anything weapons for Hamas during the raid, perhaps some deadly jars of marmarlade, or chocolate biscuits? :lol:

I read today where they are going to sail two more ships of folly into the area to try and break the blockade.

One will be loaded with women, the other with journalists. The Israelis say the ships will be stopped.

Wonder if any of our "patriotic" Code Pinko's will be running around bare chested on board the all-female one?

http://news.yahoo.co..._20100820181954

they will probably wear the "orange suicide vests" thou :whistling:

btw did the IDF ever find anything weapons for Hamas during the raid, perhaps some deadly jars of marmarlade, or chocolate biscuits? :lol:

The whole point of that specific flotilla wasn't to smuggle weapons to Hamas. All that would do is prove to the world that the blockade is the right thing to do beyond any doubt.

I read today where they are going to sail two more ships of folly into the area to try and break the blockade.

One will be loaded with women, the other with journalists. The Israelis say the ships will be stopped.

Wonder if any of our "patriotic" Code Pinko's will be running around bare chested on board the all-female one?

http://news.yahoo.co..._20100820181954

they will probably wear the "orange suicide vests" thou :whistling:

btw did the IDF ever find anything weapons for Hamas during the raid, perhaps some deadly jars of marmarlade, or chocolate biscuits? :lol:

The whole point of that specific flotilla wasn't to smuggle weapons to Hamas. All that would do is prove to the world that the blockade is the right thing to do beyond any doubt.

so no deadly jars of marmarlade, or chocolate biscuits found on board then?:D

The whole point of that specific flotilla wasn't to smuggle weapons to Hamas. All that would do is prove to the world that the blockade is the right thing to do beyond any doubt.

Of course. The advanced missiles come once they have broken the blockade. :rolleyes:

70754-Royalty-Free-RF-Clipart-Illustration-Of-A-Man-With-A-Flag-Through-His-Head.jpg

I read today where they are going to sail two more ships of folly into the area to try and break the blockade.

One will be loaded with women, the other with journalists. The Israelis say the ships will be stopped.

Wonder if any of our "patriotic" Code Pinko's will be running around bare chested on board the all-female one?

http://news.yahoo.co..._20100820181954

they will probably wear the "orange suicide vests" thou :whistling:

btw did the IDF ever find anything weapons for Hamas during the raid, perhaps some deadly jars of marmarlade, or chocolate biscuits? :lol:

The whole point of that specific flotilla wasn't to smuggle weapons to Hamas. All that would do is prove to the world that the blockade is the right thing to do beyond any doubt.

so no deadly jars of marmarlade, or chocolate biscuits found on board then?:D

They found a chef's knife in the galley and a bunch of steak knives too!!!! Whatsmore, in the dining saloon, there was an entire drawer FULL of butter knives, almost enough to arm every soul on board!!! Clear and absolute proof that weapons were being smuggled.

Future blockade-breakers will have to carry only plastic cutlery, and have all food pre-cut to avoid these accusations again.

:blink:

Mind you...with the Israeli spin doctors, I can easily imagine a drawer of plastic cutlery would be described as " a secret stash of knives and tools for measuring bomb making chemicals".:blink:

The whole point of that specific flotilla wasn't to smuggle weapons to Hamas. All that would do is prove to the world that the blockade is the right thing to do beyond any doubt.

Of course. The advanced missiles come once they have broken the blockade. :rolleyes:

70754-Royalty-Free-RF-Clipart-Illustration-Of-A-Man-With-A-Flag-Through-His-Head.jpg

what was that made of? Tabasco, fertilizer, guiness, and crossiants? :whistling:

macgyver-missile.jpg

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