England World Cup Discussion Thread

[WarpSpeed]

Hmmm seems someone else besides me feels that Green should play again, so all of the flames were just that and nothing more, they certainly weren't well thought out responses..

Green most likely to start

World-England v Algeria Reuters -

CAPE TOWN, June 17 (Reuters) - England play Algeria in their second Group C match of the World Cup on Friday. Where: Green Point Stadium, Cape Town Capacity: 66,000 When: Friday June 18, 2030 local (1830 GMT) Referee: Ravshan Irmatov (Uzbekistan) World ranking: England 8, Algeria 30 Teams: Likely formation, shirt numbers, age, caps, goals:

England (4-4-2) Algeria(4-4-2)

12-Robert Green 30-11-0 16-Faouzi Chaouchi 25-11-0

2-Glen Johnson 25-23-1 2-Majid Bougherra 27-42-4

18-Jamie Carragher 32-37-0 5-Rafik Halliche 23-18-1

6-John Terry 29-61-6 4-Antar Yahia 27-45-5

3-Ashley Cole 29-79-0 3-Nadir Belhadj 27-46-4

7-Aaron Lennon 23-18-0 13-Karim Matmour 24-24-2

4-Steven Gerrard 30-81-17 19-Hassan Yebda 26-10-0

8-Frank Lampard 31-79-20 8-Medhi Lacen 26-4-0

14-Gareth Barry 29-36-2 15-Karim Ziani 27-56-5

21-Emile Heskey 32-59-7 21-Fouad Kadir 26-3-0

10-Wayne Rooney 24-61-25 11-Rafik Djebbour 26-17-3

Also available:

23-Joe Hart 23-3-0 1-Lounes Gaouaoui 32-48-0

1-David James 39-50-0 7-Ryad Boudebouz 20-2-0

5-Michael Dawson 26-0-0 17-Adlane Guedioura 24-3-0

11-Joe Cole 28-54-10 10-Rafik Saifi 35-61-18

15-Matthew Upson 31-19-1 14-Abdelkader Laifaoui 28-7-0

13-Stephen Warnock 28-1-0 18-Carl Medjani 25-0-0

22-Michael Carrick 28-22-0 6-Yazid Mansouri 32-67-0

16-James Milner 24-9-0 12-Habib Belaid 24-1-0

17-Shaun Wright-Phillips 28-32-6 22-Djamel Abdoun 24-7-0

19-Jermain Defoe 27-40-11 20-Djamel Mesbah 23-1-0

9-Peter Crouch 29-39-21 23-Rais Ouheb Mbouli 24-1-0

Trainer - Fabio Capello Rabah Saadane

Injured - 20-Ledley King 29-21-2 None

Suspended - None 9-Abdelkader Ghezzal 25-20-3

Changes:

* Despite his howler against United States, England goalkeeper Robert Green is expected to retain his place. England manager Fabio Capello has said Gareth Barry will return to the starting line-up with James Milner expected to make way.

Okay well in spite of lining that entire page up it is still bunched together but the second column is Algeria and the important bits is the roster and comments below in full..

Edited June 17, 2010 by WarpSpeed

[smokie36]

Barry's importance is hugely increased because Capello has decided in the first game to change our team formation to a tried an failed our rather than keep the fit with our other holding midfield. I he does'nt trust him to play why take him in the first place?

I'd go with Defoe to partner Rooney in this next game though he's a better goalscorer than the two big strikers. Cole on the left and Gerrard on the right. Use Lennon for the last 20 mins if needed. Same with Crouch.

[carmine]

Hmmm seems someone else besides me feels that Green should play again, so all of the flames were just that and nothing more, they certainly weren't well thought out responses..

Green most likely to start

World-England v Algeria Reuters -

CAPE TOWN, June 17 (Reuters) - England play Algeria in their second Group C match of the World Cup on Friday. Where: Green Point Stadium, Cape Town Capacity: 66,000 When: Friday June 18, 2030 local (1830 GMT) Referee: Ravshan Irmatov (Uzbekistan) World ranking: England 8, Algeria 30 Teams: Likely formation, shirt numbers, age, caps, goals: England (4-4-2) Algeria (4-4-2)

12-Robert Green 30-11-0 16-Faouzi Chaouchi 25-11-0

2-Glen Johnson 25-23-1 2-Majid Bougherra 27-42-4

18-Jamie Carragher 32-37-0 5-Rafik Halliche 23-18-1

6-John Terry 29-61-6 4-Antar Yahia 27-45-5

3-Ashley Cole 29-79-0 3-Nadir Belhadj 27-46-4

7-Aaron Lennon 23-18-0 13-Karim Matmour 24-24-2

4-Steven Gerrard 30-81-17 19-Hassan Yebda 26-10-0

8-Frank Lampard 31-79-20 8-Medhi Lacen 26-4-0

14-Gareth Barry 29-36-2 15-Karim Ziani 27-56-5

21-Emile Heskey 32-59-7 21-Fouad Kadir 26-3-0

10-Wayne Rooney 24-61-25 11-Rafik Djebbour 26-17-3

Also available:

23-Joe Hart 23-3-0 1-Lounes Gaouaoui 32-48-0

1-David James 39-50-0 7-Ryad Boudebouz 20-2-0

5-Michael Dawson 26-0-0 17-Adlane Guedioura 24-3-0

11-Joe Cole 28-54-10 10-Rafik Saifi 35-61-18

15-Matthew Upson 31-19-1 14-Abdelkader Laifaoui 28-7-0

13-Stephen Warnock 28-1-0 18-Carl Medjani 25-0-0

22-Michael Carrick 28-22-0 6-Yazid Mansouri 32-67-0

16-James Milner 24-9-0 12-Habib Belaid 24-1-0

17-Shaun Wright-Phillips 28-32-6 22-Djamel Abdoun 24-7-0

19-Jermain Defoe 27-40-11 20-Djamel Mesbah 23-1-0

9-Peter Crouch 29-39-21 23-Rais Ouheb Mbouli 24-1-0

Trainer - Fabio Capello Rabah Saadane

Injured - 20-Ledley King 29-21-2 None

Suspended - None 9-Abdelkader Ghezzal 25-20-3

Changes:

* Despite his howler against United States, England goalkeeper Robert Green is expected to retain his place. England manager Fabio Capello has said Gareth Barry will return to the starting line-up with James Milner expected to make way.

Here we go again

[smokie36]

Here we go again

Bring it on.

[rixalex]

Cole on the left and Gerrard on the right. Use Lennon for the last 20 mins if needed. Same with Crouch.

Nah, Gerrard should be played in his best position or not at all.

[rixalex]

Hmmm seems someone else besides me feels that Green should play again, so all of the flames were just that and nothing more, they certainly weren't well thought out responses..

Flames? What flames? Seems like you have trouble with people expressing an opinion that differs from your own, because that was all that happened.

[StevieH]

We played decent football in Euro '96

that wasn't a world cup and england had home advantage. not to mention that many people forget england were crap in the opener against switzerland, were lucky to beat scotland with mcallister missing that penalty and should have been knocked out by spain. played really well against holland yeah but that one performance rather colours people's memories of '96 i think.

[StevieH]

Cole on the left and Gerrard on the right. Use Lennon for the last 20 mins if needed. Same with Crouch.

Nah, Gerrard should be played in his best position or not at all.

gerrard's best ever season under houllier was as a right mid in a four. before benitez switched him to playing off the front man.

i'd have gerrard, rooney and joe cole off heskey for the algeria match. playing 4-4-2 will concede the midfield 'cos you can bet they'll play 5.

[rixalex]

that wasn't a world cup and england had home advantage. not to mention that many people forget england were crap in the opener against switzerland, were lucky to beat scotland with mcallister missing that penalty and should have been knocked out by spain. played really well against holland yeah but that one performance rather colours people's memories of '96 i think.

Lucky to beat Scotland?! They gave us a tough game it's true, but let's not forget that the penalty never should have been given in the first place and was followed by Gazza's defining and most dazzling moment in an England shirt.

Just for you smokie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL7ls-yksoc&NR=1

[NADTATIDA1]

Sol bemoans not getting picked

[smokie36]

that wasn't a world cup and england had home advantage. not to mention that many people forget england were crap in the opener against switzerland, were lucky to beat scotland with mcallister missing that penalty and should have been knocked out by spain. played really well against holland yeah but that one performance rather colours people's memories of '96 i think.

Lucky to beat Scotland?! They gave us a tough game it's true, but let's not forget that the penalty never should have been given in the first place and was followed by Gazza's defining and most dazzling moment in an England shirt.

Just for you smokie:

http://www.youtube.c...L7ls-yksoc&NR=1

I remember looking on in horror as McAllister stepped up as he'd had a <deleted> game. Don't think he ever played for us again. Etched on the memory that one unfortunately....worst 60 secs I can remember. Great goal by Gazza though.

[Moonrakers]

http:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-j3DVjKo0k&feature=player_embedded

[WarpSpeed]

Hmmm seems someone else besides me feels that Green should play again, so all of the flames were just that and nothing more, they certainly weren't well thought out responses..

Green most likely to start

World-England v Algeria Reuters -

CAPE TOWN, June 17 (Reuters) - England play Algeria in their second Group C match of the World Cup on Friday. Where: Green Point Stadium, Cape Town Capacity: 66,000 When: Friday June 18, 2030 local (1830 GMT) Referee: Ravshan Irmatov (Uzbekistan) World ranking: England 8, Algeria 30 Teams: Likely formation, shirt numbers, age, caps, goals: England (4-4-2) Algeria (4-4-2)

12-Robert Green 30-11-0 16-Faouzi Chaouchi 25-11-0

2-Glen Johnson 25-23-1 2-Majid Bougherra 27-42-4

18-Jamie Carragher 32-37-0 5-Rafik Halliche 23-18-1

6-John Terry 29-61-6 4-Antar Yahia 27-45-5

3-Ashley Cole 29-79-0 3-Nadir Belhadj 27-46-4

7-Aaron Lennon 23-18-0 13-Karim Matmour 24-24-2

4-Steven Gerrard 30-81-17 19-Hassan Yebda 26-10-0

8-Frank Lampard 31-79-20 8-Medhi Lacen 26-4-0

14-Gareth Barry 29-36-2 15-Karim Ziani 27-56-5

21-Emile Heskey 32-59-7 21-Fouad Kadir 26-3-0

10-Wayne Rooney 24-61-25 11-Rafik Djebbour 26-17-3

Also available:

23-Joe Hart 23-3-0 1-Lounes Gaouaoui 32-48-0

1-David James 39-50-0 7-Ryad Boudebouz 20-2-0

5-Michael Dawson 26-0-0 17-Adlane Guedioura 24-3-0

11-Joe Cole 28-54-10 10-Rafik Saifi 35-61-18

15-Matthew Upson 31-19-1 14-Abdelkader Laifaoui 28-7-0

13-Stephen Warnock 28-1-0 18-Carl Medjani 25-0-0

22-Michael Carrick 28-22-0 6-Yazid Mansouri 32-67-0

16-James Milner 24-9-0 12-Habib Belaid 24-1-0

17-Shaun Wright-Phillips 28-32-6 22-Djamel Abdoun 24-7-0

19-Jermain Defoe 27-40-11 20-Djamel Mesbah 23-1-0

9-Peter Crouch 29-39-21 23-Rais Ouheb Mbouli 24-1-0

Trainer - Fabio Capello Rabah Saadane

Injured - 20-Ledley King 29-21-2 None

Suspended - None 9-Abdelkader Ghezzal 25-20-3

Changes:

* Despite his howler against United States, England goalkeeper Robert Green is expected to retain his place. England manager Fabio Capello has said Gareth Barry will return to the starting line-up with James Milner expected to make way.

Here we go again

No we're not going anywhere my points been made, just a matter of how many here can come to terms with that and show their bigger character side or not? I suspect not too many based on my experiences of the past...

[carmine]

Yep, well wonderful stuff, but would'nt it be better to wait to see what the teamsheet actually is?

[WarpSpeed]

Yep, well wonderful stuff, but would'nt it be better to wait to see what the teamsheet actually is?

Yeah it would but my point was/is that my perception was not so far off base as was being suggested regardless of what the final roster outcome is..

[carmine]

Yep, well wonderful stuff, but would'nt it be better to wait to see what the teamsheet actually is?

Yeah it would but my point was/is that my perception was not so far off base as was being suggested regardless of what the final roster outcome is..

Isn't it just another opinion?

Edited June 17, 2010 by carmine

[tigerfish]

prediction for tonights game against algeria.

england 2-0 algeria.

rooney(shrek) to get on the score sheet!

[carmine]

I'll go for a very dull uninspiring 1-0 win. Lets hope he plays Milner and Wright-Philips again

[macanello]

Watching and listening to French Algerian TV and they are adamant that they are going to go in hard on England tonight in the first 10 minutes.

Plan is to kick England out of their stride.

[tigerfish]

Watching and listening to French Algerian TV and they are adamant that they are going to go in hard on England tonight in the first 10 minutes.

Plan is to kick England out of their stride.

i dont think they need any help in that department., do they?

the words "headless chickens" come to mind most of the time!

Edited June 18, 2010 by tigerfish

[StevieH]

Watching and listening to French Algerian TV and they are adamant that they are going to go in hard on England tonight in the first 10 minutes.

Plan is to kick England out of their stride.

since when did england have a stride?

algeria will play ziani towards the left where he'll hook up with belhadj and they'll look to get in behind glen johnson. not going to be a cakewalk this one and if it's still 0-0 at half time england could get a bit jittery.

[bkkjames]

Watching and listening to French Algerian TV and they are adamant that they are going to go in hard on England tonight in the first 10 minutes.

Plan is to kick England out of their stride.

since when did england have a stride?

algeria will play ziani towards the left where he'll hook up with belhadj and they'll look to get in behind glen johnson. not going to be a cakewalk this one and if it's still 0-0 at half time england could get a bit jittery.

ok Stevie - as usual I will beg to differ. Tonight will be 4-1.

Goal scorers : Rooney, Lampard (don't laugh), Crouch and Defoe. Not in that order. 

[hansum]

Ive got a fairly good feeling about this game, just as i had a fairly bad one before the USA game ... England will win by 2 clear goals and play quite well ... you heard it here first.

Edited June 18, 2010 by hansum

[bkkjames]

<br />Ive got a fairly good feeling about this game, just as i had a fairly bad one before the USA game ... England will win by 2 clear goals and play quite well ... you heard it here first.<br />

<br /><br /><br />

Hansum, i think if you look about your post, I beat you to it.

[tigerfish]

james your prediction was 4-1.

thats 3 clear goals!

extended lunch hour was it today?

Edited June 18, 2010 by tigerfish

[hansum]

<br />Ive got a fairly good feeling about this game, just as i had a fairly bad one before the USA game ... England will win by 2 clear goals and play quite well ... you heard it here first.<br />

<br /><br /><br />

Hansum, i think if you look about your post, I beat you to it.

Almost first then.

[bkkjames]

james your prediction was 4-1.

thats 3 clear goals!

extended lunch hour was it today?

Oh it was the goal amount not the amazing fact that England would win. Stupid me.

[smokie36]

Got a few jitters today lads?.....I bet Robert Green had a sleepless night.....

[bkkjames]

Got a few jitters today lads?.....I bet Robert Green had a sleepless night.....

no jitters, ecstatic over le bleus humiliation last night. 

[StevieH]

Watching and listening to French Algerian TV and they are adamant that they are going to go in hard on England tonight in the first 10 minutes.

Plan is to kick England out of their stride.

since when did england have a stride?

algeria will play ziani towards the left where he'll hook up with belhadj and they'll look to get in behind glen johnson. not going to be a cakewalk this one and if it's still 0-0 at half time england could get a bit jittery.

ok Stevie - as usual I will beg to differ. Tonight will be 4-1.

Goal scorers : Rooney, Lampard (don't laugh), Crouch and Defoe. Not in that order.

i think england will win, just think that they may be made to work a bit for it. having gary barry back in midfield freeing up lampard and gerrard to work with rooney should help england hugely.