Rubber Trees

[cobbler]

at that sort of price per rai is the land selling quickly or do people have to sit and wait.
example. land around us people tend to want a high price per rai say around the 80- 100 mark, they have to wait for the right buyer... but if land comes on the market at a reduced price it almost gets sold that week, the wife has bought land at around the 50 per rai when you include the tax at the transfer office ect...., this is considered cheap....  and was bought the next working day by her on 2 different plots-sellers ect.
the wife has land and i know of others that have land for sale but they will always hold out for the higher-inflated price, i just tell the wife to sell it for what you can if you really want to sell it........she does not listen to me.555
when i first came up where the wifes family come from i wrongly thought that there was no money about....... plenty of cash about if you know where to look or have a bargain to sell....

Thongfoned i agree with everything youve just said. What is your area? I seem to remember you are in Sukhothai,is that correct?
Under 100k per rai is incredibly cheap. I know for a fact the family is broke. Compulsive gamblers. They were 1 of the richest families in the area. Well,the parents were.
When yang was 180 per kilo or 100 per kilo ,torbor 5 yang was around 230k per rai. Mountain was around 150k per rai.
We even saw a chanort 30 rai of coconuts for 200k per rai. Again they need money. Any chanort land is not less than 300k per rai .
Really my wife and i are seriously looking at doing durian coconuts and prikthai.
Actually the yang land at the moment with decent 20 30 year old trees ,torbor 5 .is only about 150k per rai. Yang just isnt worth anything atm. You could buy it sell the trees and get your money back,or nearlly if not.
Yes at a bargain under 100k per rai itll go within a week. The trees on this land r shit so its really only worth the 60k per rai. Theyve butchered the trees. Cant keep a worker at 60/40 split. So that tells me they not making any money at all.
Things r changing .
Cheers Cobbler

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[thoongfoned]

no, in the woods out udon thani way..........most of the land in this ampurrrr  is not very good for farming alot of stone in the land or clay - so the value is not that great, even the bank that the wife borrows with has commented on the low land value compared with no far up the main road.....

[thaiguzzi]

Sold cup at auction yesterday, 28.25 baht per kg. May hit 30 baht per kg by the end of Sept.

11 bidders yesterday, lowest bid was 26.60.

[Mosha]

Sold cup at auction yesterday, 28.25 baht per kg. May hit 30 baht per kg by the end of Sept.
11 bidders yesterday, lowest bid was 26.60.

A source I can't name saying smoked ribbed sheets around 70 by year end.

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[SirBuwanaDogbossKing]

Has anybody got an idea of what felled yang trees are priced at?

[Mosha]

Has anybody got an idea of what felled yang trees are priced at?

I think it's one of those piece of string ones. The wife thinks 200/baht per rai, but don't quote her.

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[thoongfoned]

1 hour ago, SirBuwanaDogbossKing said:

Has anybody got an idea of what felled yang trees are priced at?

depends on how old-big and the number of hands they go through.

a year or 2 ago im not sure we sold some burnt 10-12 year old trees and got about 20-30 baht per tree if i remember right, this would be the bottom of the pile price i would think........

try and approach some of the timber yards-buyers, the guys that buy all the small loads of euca ect and try and get a price further up the chain if you have a lot to sell.

brother in law in the past few months bought about 200 rai of euca in the land and lost loads by the time he delivered and got paid............

[cobbler]

Many people cutting and selling rubber trees. So oversupply of wood on the market. Supply and demand

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[grollies]

On 31/08/2017 at 9:57 AM, thaiguzzi said:

Sold cup at auction yesterday, 28.25 baht per kg. May hit 30 baht per kg by the end of Sept.

11 bidders yesterday, lowest bid was 26.60.

Cup at the gate yesterday B25/kg, up on last lot but still a long way from B39/kg in Feb.

[thaiguzzi]

7 hours ago, grollies said:

Cup at the gate yesterday B25/kg, up on last lot but still a long way from B39/kg in Feb.

Don't worry, I have a feeling it will hit 39 baht again by Feb.

[Mosha]

It's 25 down the road from us.

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[grollies]

About six weeks ago wifey awoke one morning to declare ''we're going to tap our own rubber, I'm fed up with our tappers''

 

OK I said, get your mate from the Chachengsao Rubber Research Institute to book us on a course.

 

Last month the chap arrived at our house and gave me, wifey and stepson a day's course in tapping.

 

Wifey and stepson dropped out after half the day but I perservered and passed! Got to tap some of our trees, cool.

 

BUT, it's f**king hard work.

 

Cost B1,000

 

Result:

 

1) It made wifey appreciate the tappers more

 

2) Galvanic affect on the tappers. they've been here nearly every day weather permitting, production up dramatically.

 

Go figure

[cobbler]

Thats the best way to appreciate working half the night and half the next day. Do a couple of hours of it. [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

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[Mosha]

Yes, a friend taught Sopha. She actually enjoys it, and we learned jus how lazy one Burma was. Anything that wasn't seen from the road wasn't tapped. My knees are shot, so I can't get up there. He actually complained we wanted to sell too often. The new guy is better, partially because his sister's next door. She feeds him, but he has to contribute to the family pot.

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[thaiguzzi]

16 hours ago, grollies said:

About six weeks ago wifey awoke one morning to declare ''we're going to tap our own rubber, I'm fed up with our tappers''

 

OK I said, get your mate from the Chachengsao Rubber Research Institute to book us on a course.

 

Last month the chap arrived at our house and gave me, wifey and stepson a day's course in tapping.

 

Wifey and stepson dropped out after half the day but I perservered and passed! Got to tap some of our trees, cool.

 

BUT, it's f**king hard work.

 

Cost B1,000

 

Result:

 

1) It made wifey appreciate the tappers more

 

2) Galvanic affect on the tappers. they've been here nearly every day weather permitting, production up dramatically.

 

Go figure

You forgot

3) Priceless!

[thaiguzzi]

Sold cup at auction yesterday, 29.00 baht per kg.

[thaiguzzi]

Sold cup at auction yesterday, a disappointing 25.75 baht per kg.

[grollies]

Just been to sell eggs at our local buyer. B21/kg...... now that's disappointing.

 

Make more of egg sales at this rate.

 

They were telling us in Isaan the price is down to B16/kg anyone know if this is true?

Edited September 30, 2017 by grollies

[grollies]

Sold cup at B22/kg today

[Mosha]

Just when we get a reliable hard working tapper, he gets himself killed. He was a pillion passenger and they had a head on with a truck. His friends face is shredded, absolutely gruesome.

[thaiguzzi]

14 hours ago, Mosha said:

Just when we get a reliable hard working tapper, he gets himself killed. He was a pillion passenger and they had a head on with a truck. His friends face is shredded, absolutely gruesome.

Condolences dude.

[Mosha]

Condolences dude.

We saw the spot this morning, they never had a chance. Going round a left hand corner, and the truck that hit them was over taking a slower truck, just before the bend.

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[reenatinnakor]

Hi. Does anyone have a spreadsheet of costs of maintaining your rubber plantation? How many trees per rai with all the associated costs of planting, maintaining, compost, equipment, labour etc etc....

 

I'm about to maybe plant a 100 rai with trees on the family land but am too lazy to set the spreadsheet up! I have ball park figures of costs from various web sites and blogs but was just wondering if any one actually doing this has real time figures. How much profit could you get from 1 rai of trees after 7 years at 30thb a kg? I know this is a low figure but I guess better to work on worse case scenarios.

 

PM me if you could help, be much appreciated. 

[grollies]

1 hour ago, reenatinnakor said:

Hi. Does anyone have a spreadsheet of costs of maintaining your rubber plantation? How many trees per rai with all the associated costs of planting, maintaining, compost, equipment, labour etc etc....

 

I'm about to maybe plant a 100 rai with trees on the family land but am too lazy to set the spreadsheet up! I have ball park figures of costs from various web sites and blogs but was just wondering if any one actually doing this has real time figures. How much profit could you get from 1 rai of trees after 7 years at 30thb a kg? I know this is a low figure but I guess better to work on worse case scenarios.

 

PM me if you could help, be much appreciated. 

Saying you're too lazy to work it all out for yourself means I ain't gonna do it for you buster.

 

B30/kg a low figure and your worst case scenario 555555.

 

Read back a couple of posts.

[reenatinnakor]

Saying you're too lazy to work it all out for yourself means I ain't gonna do it for you buster.
 
B30/kg a low figure and your worst case scenario 555555.
 
Read back a couple of posts.

Whatever... 10thb a kg then. Get off your high horse dude. You don't have to do anything for me... I was asking if anyone already had one and wouldn't mind sharing.

[grollies]

44 minutes ago, reenatinnakor said:

 

Whatever... 10thb a kg then. Get off your high horse dude. You don't have to do anything for me... I was asking if anyone already had one and wouldn't mind sharing.

 

Er, that would be doing it for you.....wouldn't it?

[grollies]

Anyway.

 

75 trees per rai on standard planting pattern.

 

You thought who's going to tap 7,500 trees?

 

You given any thought to keeping 50 rai to teak and mahogany? With care and feeding you'd have a pretty good lump sum after 10 years.

 

Loads of things you can do with 100 rai, good luck with it.

[reenatinnakor]

Anyway.
 
75 trees per rai on standard planting pattern.
 
You thought who's going to tap 7,500 trees?
 
You given any thought to keeping 50 rai to teak and mahogany? With care and feeding you'd have a pretty good lump sum after 10 years.
 
Loads of things you can do with 100 rai, good luck with it.

Thanks for the info.... I'll do a spreadsheet and send you lol. The family already have some trees but didn't take care properly... And getting costs from them I might as well find from internet. What about nutrients costs and irrigation? Every year they need the compost to feed them trees I hear? Sorry... I meant 100 hectares about 20 rai... Not 100 rai. Is it still the rimm600 seeds to plant?

[thaiguzzi]

# Sold cup at auction yesterday, a pathetic 22.38 baht per kg.

# This year's rainy season is starting to get on my tIts. April to Oct. Still ongoing. Normal up here is late May/early June to end of Sept. Never more than 6 taps a fortnight, often 5.

# Tuesday - get a call from tapper team #1, they are collecting cup a day early to take to the auction (yeah - raining), the E10 farm truck is stuck for the umpteenth time - got to go down with the tractor and pull them out. Last year - never, not once.

# Wednesday - yesterday, me and man from tapper team #1 have arranged to go down and chop 5 trees that have fallen over, and pull them up again. Him with his chainsaw, me with the little tractor and slings and chains. These big trees have not fallen over due to high winds nor storms, just this particular area has become a swamp. A mudfest. A schlamm. I had camo jeans and wellies on, I was prepared. First tree, chop all the branches off, cut it about 4m in height and attempt to pull it back up. An hour later, after we've got the tractor unstuck and can see the rear wheels again, come in from a different angle. Same f**king thing! 3rd angle - success! 2 more trees and we've had enough. Done 3, 2 more still to do once the ground firms up. Me, covered in shIt, sand, sweat, aching, and him get back to base and break a couple of well deserved Changs open. What a f**king day. Mud - I hate it...

# Whilst drinking said beer, I mentioned to tapper #1the price of cup @ 22.38 and suggested going over to latex on his area. He's 39 y/o and been tapping 20 years, most of it in the South. He knows more about rubber trees and production than I ever will. An expletive came out, and he said at 22 baht, cup is still WAY better than latex, because you won't get ripped.....

[thaiguzzi]

17 hours ago, reenatinnakor said:

 

 

Thanks for the info.... I'll do a spreadsheet and send you lol. The family already have some trees but didn't take care properly... And getting costs from them I might as well find from internet. What about nutrients costs and irrigation? Every year they need the compost to feed them trees I hear? Sorry... I meant 100 hectares about 20 rai... Not 100 rai. Is it still the rimm600 seeds to plant?

 

100 rai?

100 hectares?

100 acres?

20 rai?

 What is it?