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carmine Ruby Member

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Given the gift of no european games and a first round knock out (be it immensely embarrassing) in the Cap One, coupled with the squad of players available, i think van Gaal has had a very mediocre season at best. United should still scrape through but at the end of the day its very unimpressive.

Perhaps when he's spent in excess of 250m we'll see what a genius the old dog is. Laughable really! He'll never be able to repay de Gea what he owes him for this season. When United kicked in at the right time and got themselves to where they are on the cusp of a top four berth it all seemed so "despite of van Gaal" with his bungling press interviews and strange substitutions.

Top four or not i really don't see what the manager has done to warrant a second season. He looks over the hill. Maybe though another 150m spend will turn him into a genius again!!

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out !!! LouLou

bring back moyes!!!biggrin.pngcheesy.gif

about as intelligent and informative Grow up.

and you have a sense of humour. which would be more suited at a grave yard at midnite

actually stats wise,there is very difference between LouLou(54%) and moyesy(53%) managing m/u. win percentage in brackets

moyesy had the demands of c/l and made it through the qualifying rounds,plus a semi final appearance in the league cup( another good run),not to mentioned following in S.A.F. massive footsteps

whilst LouLou has no other distractions but the E.P.L due to crashing out early in both cups,and no c/l matchs

therefore I.M.O. LouLou has had a cushy run to obtained c/l qualification this season,if moyesy had the same, perhaps he would have acheived it too

again J.M.O. both mngrs do not stack up to m/u great traditions, but i would have moyesy instead of LouLou anyday

reason LouLou is yesterdays man , and not up to the requirements that a great club of m/u stature sadly need,

another loss at home since my sh#tters ditch comment,only vindicates that opinion

a very nice evening to allsmile.png

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Chicog Star Member

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out !!! LouLou

bring back moyes!!!biggrin.pngcheesy.gif

Is this P45 Mustang in disguise ? about as intelligent and informative Grow up.

Yes, it looks like PishPhlaps has made a return under a nom de plume.

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JacknDanny Gold Member

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out !!! LouLou

bring back moyes!!!biggrin.pngcheesy.gif

Is this P45 Mustang in disguise ? about as intelligent and informative Grow up.

Yes, it looks like PishPhlaps has made a return under a nom de plume.

Nah, pish didnt even know words like 'vindicate', let alone spelling them.

'Evens' is a non-English wind up merchant. Aussie or septic, if you ask me.

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JacknDanny Gold Member

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Jack............The link is blocked here in Thailand............cannot view the Daily Mail...........or do you know the way round it ?

I am a retard technical wise!! so I dont know how to by pass it, though I am told there is a way. I am not in Thailand currently. Here is a sample of what it says..........

Manchester United are squandering Sir Alex Ferguson's legacy with scattergun spending and a naive hierarchy out of their depth
  • The chaos of the collapse of De Gea’s move to Real Madrid served to underline the death of an underlying philosophy at the club
  • Why were United prepared to countenance the loss David de Gea that they allowed another star of genuine world class, Angel di Maria, to move away?
  • It is more than two years now since Ferguson and chief executive David Gill left and the reality is that the club have still not got their mojo back
  • The sense of order and purpose that reigned when Ferguson was in charge has been replaced during each subsequent transfer window by something closer to blind panic
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Here is the rest of the sad story of Uniteds decline...............................

When Manchester United took to the field at the Liberty Stadium in Swansea last Sunday, it was the club’s 3,750th consecutive first-team game to have featured at least one player who has come through the youth system.

It is a remarkable record that stretches back to 1937 and something that United fans are rightly proud of. It is part of the identity of their club, something that runs through it from the Busby Babes to the Class of ’92, but it is also a record increasingly under threat.

The recent loan departures of Adnan Januzaj and Tyler Blackett, the marginalisation of James Wilson and the influx of new signings meant that only goalkeeper Sam Johnstone and defender Paddy McNair kept the record alive at Swansea


Both of them sat on the bench and neither was called on to play. If David de Gea is rehabilitated for the rest of the season, Johnstone will probably lose his place among the substitutes.

When Phil Jones is fit, it is likely there will be no place for McNair. The culture at Old Trafford is changing. It is only a matter of time until the run is broken and when it is, another link to the great days under Sir Alex Ferguson will have been lost.

The sense of that loss quickened last week as United thrashed around at the end of a summer transfer window that had started so well for them. The chaos of the collapse of De Gea’s move to Real Madrid served to underline the death of an underlying philosophy at the club.


Where is the plan? Why were United prepared to countenance the loss of the goalkeeper who has been their best player in the same window that they allowed another star of genuine world class, Angel di Maria, to move away from Old Trafford?

Where is the sense of direction here? Where is the long-term recruitment policy? What has happened to the idea that United never sold their best players? It is more than two years now since Ferguson and chief executive David Gill left and the reality is that the club have still not got their mojo back. They are still in a state of flux.

The sense of order and purpose that reigned when Ferguson was in charge has been replaced during each subsequent transfer window by something closer to blind panic.

It has not been particularly dignified, either. This summer, United were very obviously used by Sergio Ramos in order to secure him a new deal at Real Madrid. They got played but United executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward couldn’t seem to see it.


The pursuit of Pedro and the Barcelona player’s decision to join Chelsea instead was humiliating as well. Bids to prise Gareth Bale and Cristiano Ronaldo from Madrid and Thomas Muller from Bayern Munich have come to nought.

It is not that everyone disagrees with the method. It is just that, apart from waving a very large cheque book at everything that moves, it is hard to see any method at all.

Paying a king’s ransom for a player like Luis Suarez or Muller would be understandable but to blow up to £58million on a talented but largely untried Anthony Martial on the last day of the window felt like a sign of desperation.


Was the willingness to jettison De Gea and the signing of a French teenager a sign that United have given up on the title this season and are planning for the next campaign already? Again, it is difficult to discern a plan in any of this.

United’s squad has now cost just more than £389m to assemble, which makes it the third costliest in Europe behind Real Madrid and Manchester City. City and Madrid at least appear to be reaping the rewards of their spending. United do not. It would be fair to say they have not got an awful lot of bang for their buck.

At least they are spending money. Arsenal fans must envy them that. But it is not targeted spending. It’s a scattergun. Success has been limited. Di Maria didn’t settle, De Gea wants to leave, Marcos Rojo is at odds with manager Louis van Gaal.


Remember the days of City’s bullish former chief executive Garry Cook, days when City were mocked as naive arrivistes who did not have the class or the pedigree to cope with the big time? Remember when Cook accused a club of AC Milan’s stature of ‘bottling it’ over City’s attempt to buy Kaka from them?

United are being portrayed in that kind of light now. United under Woodward are gaining a reputation as a club whose hierarchy is out of its depth. It lacks know-how. It is naive.

It is still a wonderful, wonderful club but the people in charge don’t seem to understand it. They know an awful lot about value but not much about worth. They know what to sell but not what to cherish.

In the summer transfer window, more than at any other time since Ferguson left, it also felt as if Woodward and his cohorts were beginning to squander the legacy bequeathed by the Scot.


Not just in the way that United’s style of football has changed, something often referenced by ex-players like Gary Neville.

But also in the chaotic approach to signings and the loss of balance between players imported from other clubs and those brought through the youth system.

United have more spending power than ever but money cannot buy sound judgment. Bit by bit, the wisdom that once pervaded the club is ebbing away.


BRINGS TEARS TO MY EYES, IT REALLY DOES!! clap2.gifclap2.gifclap2.gifclap2.gif
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"They know an awful lot about value but not much about worth'

Any copy editor worth his salt would have corrected this back to its rightful 'know about price but not about value/worth'

just sayin' coffee1.gif

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Here is the rest of the sad story of Uniteds decline...............................

When Manchester United took to the field at the Liberty Stadium in Swansea last Sunday, it was the clubs 3,750th consecutive first-team game to have featured at least one player who has come through the youth system.

It is a remarkable record that stretches back to 1937 and something that United fans are rightly proud of. It is part of the identity of their club, something that runs through it from the Busby Babes to the Class of 92, but it is also a record increasingly under threat.

The recent loan departures of Adnan Januzaj and Tyler Blackett, the marginalisation of James Wilson and the influx of new signings meant that only goalkeeper Sam Johnstone and defender Paddy McNair kept the record alive at Swansea

Both of them sat on the bench and neither was called on to play. If David de Gea is rehabilitated for the rest of the season, Johnstone will probably lose his place among the substitutes.

When Phil Jones is fit, it is likely there will be no place for McNair. The culture at Old Trafford is changing. It is only a matter of time until the run is broken and when it is, another link to the great days under Sir Alex Ferguson will have been lost.

The sense of that loss quickened last week as United thrashed around at the end of a summer transfer window that had started so well for them. The chaos of the collapse of De Geas move to Real Madrid served to underline the death of an underlying philosophy at the club.

Where is the plan? Why were United prepared to countenance the loss of the goalkeeper who has been their best player in the same window that they allowed another star of genuine world class, Angel di Maria, to move away from Old Trafford?

Where is the sense of direction here? Where is the long-term recruitment policy? What has happened to the idea that United never sold their best players? It is more than two years now since Ferguson and chief executive David Gill left and the reality is that the club have still not got their mojo back. They are still in a state of flux.

The sense of order and purpose that reigned when Ferguson was in charge has been replaced during each subsequent transfer window by something closer to blind panic.

It has not been particularly dignified, either. This summer, United were very obviously used by Sergio Ramos in order to secure him a new deal at Real Madrid. They got played but United executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward couldnt seem to see it.

The pursuit of Pedro and the Barcelona players decision to join Chelsea instead was humiliating as well. Bids to prise Gareth Bale and Cristiano Ronaldo from Madrid and Thomas Muller from Bayern Munich have come to nought.

It is not that everyone disagrees with the method. It is just that, apart from waving a very large cheque book at everything that moves, it is hard to see any method at all.

Paying a kings ransom for a player like Luis Suarez or Muller would be understandable but to blow up to £58million on a talented but largely untried Anthony Martial on the last day of the window felt like a sign of desperation.

Was the willingness to jettison De Gea and the signing of a French teenager a sign that United have given up on the title this season and are planning for the next campaign already? Again, it is difficult to discern a plan in any of this.

Uniteds squad has now cost just more than £389m to assemble, which makes it the third costliest in Europe behind Real Madrid and Manchester City. City and Madrid at least appear to be reaping the rewards of their spending. United do not. It would be fair to say they have not got an awful lot of bang for their buck.

At least they are spending money. Arsenal fans must envy them that. But it is not targeted spending. Its a scattergun. Success has been limited. Di Maria didnt settle, De Gea wants to leave, Marcos Rojo is at odds with manager Louis van Gaal.

Remember the days of Citys bullish former chief executive Garry Cook, days when City were mocked as naive arrivistes who did not have the class or the pedigree to cope with the big time? Remember when Cook accused a club of AC Milans stature of bottling it over Citys attempt to buy Kaka from them?

United are being portrayed in that kind of light now. United under Woodward are gaining a reputation as a club whose hierarchy is out of its depth. It lacks know-how. It is naive.

It is still a wonderful, wonderful club but the people in charge dont seem to understand it. They know an awful lot about value but not much about worth. They know what to sell but not what to cherish.

In the summer transfer window, more than at any other time since Ferguson left, it also felt as if Woodward and his cohorts were beginning to squander the legacy bequeathed by the Scot.

Not just in the way that Uniteds style of football has changed, something often referenced by ex-players like Gary Neville.

But also in the chaotic approach to signings and the loss of balance between players imported from other clubs and those brought through the youth system.

United have more spending power than ever but money cannot buy sound judgment. Bit by bit, the wisdom that once pervaded the club is ebbing away.

BRINGS TEARS TO MY EYES, IT REALLY DOES!! clap2.gifclap2.gifclap2.gifclap2.gif

Even as a united fan I am not Reading all that, its all about opinion I think we have had a good transfer window, he has cleared out a lot of deadwood that was just not good enough, and we have sorted our central midfield problem out, have a very strong defence, it is just up front where we need to get going, I am afraid that Moyes giving Rooney a new contract has no one can afford his obscene wage.
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carmine Ruby Member

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United's defense is simply too good for them to be "decline" as such. But as for the style of football, my is it dreadful to be subjected to. van Gaal makes George Grahams Arsenal look attractive.

Yes United will be in the mix for a top four finish but i won't believe it even comes close to the football United fans want to see and expect to see.

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When will people get their head around the fact that United will never play like they did in the past ,they simply don't have the players

that can return to the glory days of your score 2 and we will score 5.Teams are coached now to fistly defend and contain ,keep possession.

Football has changed what other team in the world plays like United were once famous for ...none. Does Chelsea play attractive football ?

No but they have been successful.Only team to get close was Liverpool 2 years ago with Suarez and co running riot.

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Think this thread is worth a bump. No matter what the league position is showing, the type of football being played has definitely declined and the fans are starting to let LvG know their feelings

You didn't have to bump it with such barely suppressed glee BJ. crying.gif

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