There is no question that the UK has got serious musical talent so please, no one take offense at this, it isn't meant to bash the Brit music scene.

I've wondered why Brits don't seem to have many solo act female singers whereas in America we are loaded with them. The Brits have some guys - George Michael, Elton John, Robbie Williams, David Bowie. But nothing like Frank Sinatra, Elvis or Michael Jackson.

But are there any female singers? The Spice Girls after they broke up?

While the US has/had Mariah Carey, Jennifer Lopez, Beyonce, Fergie, Brittany Spears, Christina Aguilera, Rihanna, Alicia Keys, Gwen Stefani, Lady Gaga, Madonna, Cher, Diana Ross and Whitney Houston just to name a few.

Those American singers sell a helluva lot of tickets when they tour the UK so I wouldn't say that Brits don't like female solo acts. So what is the reason?

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Annie Lennox

Tom Jones

Phil Collins

Daman Allbarn

Shirley Bassey

Jarvis Cocker

Fat Boy Slim

Just a few of the top of my head.

Adele

Duffy

Amy Whitehouse

are just a few of the recent divas i can think of off the top of my head.

Leona Lewis, Lilly Allen, Joan Armatrading, Kate Bush, Cilla Black, Petula Clarke, Julie Andrews, Sarah Brightman, Sade, Julie Covington, Dido, Kim Wilde, etc.

Incidently Rhianna is Barbadian.

Stevie Nicks, Elkie Brookes.

Maybe it's a culture thing....the American culture seems to have a strong element of celebrity worship which, of course, results in alot more people being celebrated and becoming famous. The Brits are less superficial, thus less celebrity worship, thus although they have talent, the talent is not put on a pedestal as much.....giving the impression of fewer divas (and divos).

Have to take into account "number of divas per capita" also....obviously a country with more people will have more divas, more criminals, more geniuses.....

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Stevie Nicks, Elkie Brookes.

sorry to pull you up on this one endure, but Stevie Nicks is an American born singer song writer. admittedly she was the 2/5s a long with Lindsay Buckingham American part of the 3/5s majority British band Fleetwood mac. that happened to spend most of their career state side.

I haven't even heard of at least half those women named.

Maybe it's a culture thing....the American culture seems to have a strong element of celebrity worship which, of course, results in alot more people being celebrated and becoming famous. The Brits are less superficial, thus less celebrity worship, thus although they have talent, the talent is not put on a pedestal as much.....giving the impression of fewer divas (and divos).

Yeah, that must be it!

Maybe it's a culture thing....the American culture seems to have a strong element of celebrity worship which, of course, results in alot more people being celebrated and becoming famous. The Brits are less superficial, thus less celebrity worship, thus although they have talent, the talent is not put on a pedestal as much.....giving the impression of fewer divas (and divos).

Yeah, that must be it!

well it explains why there are none from New Zealand

Maybe it's a culture thing....the American culture seems to have a strong element of celebrity worship which, of course, results in alot more people being celebrated and becoming famous. The Brits are less superficial, thus less celebrity worship, thus although they have talent, the talent is not put on a pedestal as much.....giving the impression of fewer divas (and divos).

Yeah, that must be it!

well it explains why there are none from New Zealand

NZ boasts the biggest diva on the planet - Dame Kiri Te Kanawa!

Maybe it's a culture thing....the American culture seems to have a strong element of celebrity worship which, of course, results in alot more people being celebrated and becoming famous. The Brits are less superficial, thus less celebrity worship, thus although they have talent, the talent is not put on a pedestal as much.....giving the impression of fewer divas (and divos).

Yeah, that must be it!

well it explains why there are none from New Zealand

well, not quite true. We are a small country and we don't idolise singers or movie stars, but we have some excellent singers....not that that is anything to brag about....we are not superficial so tend to celebrate people that actually achieve usefull things.

I thought it might be because New Zealand has a population of approximately 15.

Maybe it's a culture thing....the American culture seems to have a strong element of celebrity worship which, of course, results in alot more people being celebrated and becoming famous. The Brits are less superficial, thus less celebrity worship, thus although they have talent, the talent is not put on a pedestal as much.....giving the impression of fewer divas (and divos).

Yeah, that must be it!

well it explains why there are none from New Zealand

well, not quite true. We are a small country and we don't idolise singers or movie stars, but we have some excellent singers....not that that is anything to brag about....we are not superficial so tend to celebrate people that actually achieve usefull things.

Have you ever even been to New Zealand? They are as shallow and superficial as anyone else.They line up around Middle Earth to become the next New Zealand Idol!!!

http://www.idoltube....dol-new-zealand

They just don't have any real singing talent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_concert_tours

On the list of the 30 highest-grossing concert tours women solo acts rank as follows:

4th - Madonna

10th - Celine Dion

11th - Cher

14th - Lady Gaga

19th - Madonna

23rd - Pink

28th - Brittany Spears

30th - Madonna

That list is put in order by actual gross. Although the inflation is taken into account in the next column, it has no bearing on who is on the list and in what order. This would explain why most of the tours on that list are relatively recent. Are we really to believe that the likes of the Beatles and David Bowie were not bigger names than the like of Celine Dion?

For any list to be relevant it really should take into account inflation according to that period of time, which the one above does not.

That list is put in order by actual gross. Although the inflation is taken into account in the next column, it has no bearing on who is on the list and in what order. This would explain why most of the tours on that list are relatively recent. Are we really to believe that the likes of the Beatles and David Bowie were not bigger names than the like of Celine Dion?

For any list to be relevant it really should take into account inflation according to that period of time, which the one above does not.

Regardless, British female solo artists are few and almost never reach superstar status - even in their own country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_singles_in_the_United_Kingdom The men do great, the groups do great, but the women seem to be focusing their talents elsewhere.

I haven't even heard of at least half those women named.

Neither have I - and I'm British!

(Well, English actually, old chap)

Stevie Nicks, Elkie Brookes.

sorry to pull you up on this one endure, but Stevie Nicks is an American born singer song writer. admittedly she was the 2/5s a long with Lindsay Buckingham American part of the 3/5s majority British band Fleetwood mac. that happened to spend most of their career state side.

I didn't know that - thanks for the info.

That list is put in order by actual gross. Although the inflation is taken into account in the next column, it has no bearing on who is on the list and in what order. This would explain why most of the tours on that list are relatively recent. Are we really to believe that the likes of the Beatles and David Bowie were not bigger names than the like of Celine Dion?

For any list to be relevant it really should take into account inflation according to that period of time, which the one above does not.

Regardless, British female solo artists are few and almost never reach superstar status - even in their own country. http://en.wikipedia...._United_Kingdom The men do great, the groups do great, but the women seem to be focusing their talents elsewhere.

have a read of this koheesti.

especially the second paragraph.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/may/26/team-adele

well it explains why there are none from New Zealand

well, not quite true. We are a small country and we don't idolise singers or movie stars, but we have some excellent singers....not that that is anything to brag about....we are not superficial so tend to celebrate people that actually achieve usefull things.

Have you ever even been to New Zealand? They are as shallow and superficial as anyone else.They line up around Middle Earth to become the next New Zealand Idol!!!

http://www.idoltube....dol-new-zealand

They just don't have any real singing talent.

Try as you might, you won't bait me with your goadings.

well, not quite true. We are a small country and we don't idolise singers or movie stars, but we have some excellent singers....not that that is anything to brag about....we are not superficial so tend to celebrate people that actually achieve usefull things.

Have you ever even been to New Zealand? They are as shallow and superficial as anyone else.They line up around Middle Earth to become the next New Zealand Idol!!!

http://www.idoltube....dol-new-zealand

They just don't have any real singing talent.

Try as you might, you won't bait me with your goadings.

Baiting? 555 That's just what you were doing troll with your first & second posts on this topic. I'm sure the powers that be noticed that too.

btw - in reference to your own baiting, there must be millions and millions of "superficial" people who suffer from "celebrity worship" otherwise singers like Madonna, Lady Gaga, Maria Carey, Beyonce, Jenniger Lopez, etc,etc wouldn't be the world-wide superstarts that they are.

Regardless, British female solo artists are few and almost never reach superstar status - even in their own country. http://en.wikipedia...._United_Kingdom The men do great, the groups do great, but the women seem to be focusing their talents elsewhere.

have a read of this koheesti.

especially the second paragraph.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/may/26/team-adele

What's up with the eye-rolling emoticon?

btw - in reference to your own baiting, there must be millions and millions of "superficial" people who suffer from "celebrity worship" otherwise singers like Madonna, Lady Gaga, Maria Carey, Beyonce, Jenniger Lopez, etc,etc wouldn't be the world-wide superstarts that they are.

Superficial? They're all pre-teens who follow those you have quoted.

Of course they're superficial.

btw - in reference to your own baiting, there must be millions and millions of "superficial" people who suffer from "celebrity worship" otherwise singers like Madonna, Lady Gaga, Maria Carey, Beyonce, Jenniger Lopez, etc,etc wouldn't be the world-wide superstarts that they are.

Superficial? They're all pre-teens who follow those you have quoted.

Of course they're superficial.

Asides from Madonna, I doubt most of those would be remembered in a couple of generations.

Regardless, British female solo artists are few and almost never reach superstar status - even in their own country. http://en.wikipedia...._United_Kingdom The men do great, the groups do great, but the women seem to be focusing their talents elsewhere.

have a read of this koheesti.

especially the second paragraph.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/may/26/team-adele

What's up with the eye-rolling emoticon?

beg your pardon me lord. i thought it was par for the course in OSB, especially in circumstances when pack mentality kicks in and several posters don't agree with one particular black sheep.

btw

well, not quite true. We are a small country and we don't idolise singers or movie stars, but we have some excellent singers....not that that is anything to brag about....we are not superficial so tend to celebrate people that actually achieve usefull things.

Have you ever even been to New Zealand? They are as shallow and superficial as anyone else.They line up around Middle Earth to become the next New Zealand Idol!!!

http://www.idoltube....dol-new-zealand

They just don't have any real singing talent.

Try as you might, you won't bait me with your goadings.

Baiting? 555 That's just what you were doing troll with your first & second posts on this topic. I'm sure the powers that be noticed that too.

btw - in reference to your own baiting, there must be millions and millions of "superficial" people who suffer from "celebrity worship" otherwise singers like Madonna, Lady Gaga, Maria Carey, Beyonce, Jenniger Lopez, etc,etc wouldn't be the world-wide superstarts that they are.

Some people are very over-sensitive when it comes to truths that they don't like to admit to or are buried in their sub-conscience.

You always accuse me of trolling whenever my opinion doesn't pull punches or hits a raw nerve that is real but you'd prefer to remain unspoken, or I offer facts that paint your ideals in a darker shade.

You couldn't deny my opinion" that America seems to have a culture of celebrity worship"....(and indeed it does seem so, and I consider celebrity worship to be a superficial trait)....instead, you desperately look for simmilar "fault" in me or mine, or look for other cases that have the same "fault" as if to say that it's not only you or yours (In saying which, btw, is a concession to whatever I have said).

You have often called me a troll. It is always the same....when you have no refutation, you resort to false ad hominem tactics,

Do you think that if you say it enough, others will start believing it?

Have a read of your OP. No, you're not bashing Brits, but you are saying America is great.

Maybe it is.....but when I point out a truth that may be behind this "greatness", you (and your compatriots) start attacking and baiting. Talk about superficial!

the thread did not read is amerca superficial because it has diva's, it simply asked why the UK music industry has chosen to focus on group bands rather than individuals, as an other posted only one diva has had the success of the Beatles and that has taken nearly half a century. Music is universal and it is not always the artisit that makes it memorable for example hermans hermits put out a ton of top 40 hits that almost anyone would recognise but very few would rememeber the artist. as for the american divas, well i am a fan of the ones with real talent such as agularia, houston, and any others that show case an incredable voice. many of the others are like the spice girls all show little talent.

Regardless, British female solo artists are few and almost never reach superstar status - even in their own country. http://en.wikipedia...._United_Kingdom The men do great, the groups do great, but the women seem to be focusing their talents elsewhere.

have a read of this koheesti.

especially the second paragraph.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/may/26/team-adele

What's up with the eye-rolling emoticon?

beg your pardon me lord. i thought it was par for the course in OSB, especially in circumstances when pack mentality kicks in and several posters don't agree with one particular black sheep.

btw

Perhaps it's just a misunderstanding. You replied to "British female solo artists are few and almost never reach superstar status - even in their own country" with a single example and rolling eyes. That emoticon seemed an odd choice since your link supported my statement.