Give your reading glasses a good wipe. It was reported in the New York Times and elsewhere.

Initial reports focused on the possibility of Islamic militants, in particular Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or Helpers of the Global Jihad, cited by some analysts as claiming responsibility for the attacks.

Why does a white supremist with anti-Muslim views shoot dozens of young white people? I'm not doubting the reports, I'm just wondering why he didn't go into an ethnic neighborhood and shoot it up.

Who knows what goes on in the minds of these people. Although maybe he chose a place with so many young people to make a bigger impact?

Give your reading glasses a good wipe. It was reported in the New York Times and elsewhere.

Initial reports focused on the possibility of Islamic militants, in particular Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or Helpers of the Global Jihad, cited by some analysts as claiming responsibility for the attacks.

Where's the source UG?

For all we know you just made that up and typed it in.

Not if you read the rest of the thread. I already posted it earlier and it is from the New York Times.

I saw it on CNN originally, but everyone stopped reporting it after the shooter was identified.

Ah right. I missed that, sorry.

All a tad spurious though.

Blame the New York Times.

Blame the New York Times.

The other link was to MSNBC. Just as unreliable.

Big surprise. Islamic terrorists have claimed credit (but the claims have not been verified).

• Norwegian special forces have been fighting in Afghanistan for many years and Ayman al Zawahiri, al-Qaida's new leader after the death of Osama bin Laden, has been threatening Norway since 2003, warning that its participation in the U.S.-led military campaign against radical Islam in Afghanistan would result in an attack on the Norwegian homeland. Norwegian special forces operate in central Afghanistan, near Kabul.

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/07/22/7142933-why-would-terrorists-want-to-attack-norway

I quote the article. Can you point out specifically where 'Islamic terrorists' have claimed credit for this specific incident? I don't see any. I see some ifs-ands-buts-and-maybes written by a man who works for NBC but I do not see any claims by 'Islamic Terrorists' that they had anything to do with the massacre in Norway.

"Why would terrorists want to attack Norway?

By Robert Windrem

NBC News Investigative Producer for Special Projects

Senior U.S. officials say they cannot yet ascribe responsibility for Friday's attack on the government building in Oslo.

"What you see is what we know," said a senior administration official, who like the others spoke on condition of anonymity.

However, they and others point to several possible connections that could lead officials to consider whether al-Qaida is behind the attacks.

Norwegian special forces have been fighting in Afghanistan for many years and Ayman al Zawahiri, al-Qaida's new leader after the death of Osama bin Laden, has been threatening Norway since 2003, warning that its participation in the U.S.-led military campaign against radical Islam in Afghanistan would result in an attack on the Norwegian homeland. Norwegian special forces operate in central Afghanistan, near Kabul.

On July 9, 2010, three Norwegians were indicted for planning an attack on targets in Oslo, apparently Chinese targets. Two of the three, a Uighur (Chinese Muslim) and an Uzbeki, were arrested in Norway, while a third, an Iraqi with Norwegian residence, was grabbed in Germany. The detentions were coordinated with arrest in New York of Najibulla Zazi, an Afghan-American man who wanted to blow up New York City subways. The two plots were believed to have been put together by al-Qaida’s central command in Pakistan -- Osama Bin Laden and Zawahiri.

Last week, Mullah Krekhar, founder of Ansar al Islam (the first Iraqi group affiliated with al-Qaida), was indicted in Oslo for threatening Norwegian government officials with death if he were to be deported. Krekhar took refuge in Oslo in early part of the last decade and has been seeking asylum. In comments to various news media, he threatened attacks if he was sent abroad, mainly on opposition figures who have long called for his extradition to the U.S.

In January 2006, the Norwegian government apologized to Muslims worldwide after the publication of 12 cartoons depicting the prophet Muhammad in the Norwegian newspaper Magazinet"

At that point, I had seen it on CNN - they said that Ayman al-Zawahri had claimed credit - but the New York times article - that I have quoted twice - refers to the initial reports.

American counterterrorism officials cautioned that Norways own homegrown extremists, with unknown grievances, could be responsible for the attacks.

Initial reports focused on the possibility of Islamic militants, in particular Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or Helpers of the Global Jihad, cited by some analysts as claiming responsibility for the attacks. American officials said the group was previously unknown and might not even exist. There was ample reason for concern that terrorists might be responsible. In 2004 and again in 2008, the No. 2 leader of Al Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahri, who took over after the death of Osama bin Laden, threatened Norway because of its support of the American-led NATO military operation in Afghanistan. http://www.nytimes.c...=1&pagewanted=2

Of course, those that look for the Muslim boogieman will jump to only one conclusion in their desperate attempt to lay blame on a religion and fuel the support for grabbing other people's oil.

While I would not discount a link to Al Qaeda, in the light of the latest reports, I would tend to look elsewhere for the culprit.

The latest reports that I'm referring to are that the shooter at the youth camp is linked to the bombing in Oslo, and that he has been arrested and is a Norwegian man with blonde hair.

As far as this thread is concerned, I posted the latest...yet a few hours later...."Posted Yesterday, 13:01

Big surprise. Islamic terrorists have claimed credit "

My first sentence is proved by UG for me. Thanks UG.

At that point, I had seen it on CNN - they said that Ayman al-Zawahri had claimed credit - but the New York times article - that I have quoted twice - refers to the initial reports.

American counterterrorism officials cautioned that Norway’s own homegrown extremists, with unknown grievances, could be responsible for the attacks.

Initial reports focused on the possibility of Islamic militants, in particular Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or Helpers of the Global Jihad, cited by some analysts as claiming responsibility for the attacks. American officials said the group was previously unknown and might not even exist. There was ample reason for concern that terrorists might be responsible. In 2004 and again in 2008, the No. 2 leader of Al Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahri, who took over after the death of Osama bin Laden, threatened Norway because of its support of the American-led NATO military operation in Afghanistan. http://www.nytimes.c...=1&pagewanted=2

To be clear you said:

"Big surprise. Islamic terrorists have claimed credit (but the claims have not been verified). "

Now produce the words that prove your assertion. Produce the words that prove that 'Islamic terrorist have claimed credit.'

"Initial reports focused on the possibility of Islamic militants, in particular Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or Helpers of the Global Jihad, cited by some analysts as claiming responsibility for the attacks."

Once again.

Here is a reference to the original story by some loony-left web site since you seem to have a problem with the New York Times:

The CIA falsely claims a Muslim “terrorist” organization has claimed responsibility for the Oslo, Norway bombings and the corporate media is printing their lies.All major news outlets ran a report from a CIA analyst claiming a Muslim terrorist group took credit for the Oslo Norway bombings, which the corporate media is trying so desperately to blame on Al-Qaeda .

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/07/22/corporate-media-runs-false-cia-story-stating-muslim-group-claimed-responsibility-olso-bombings-40311/

A terror group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami (the Helpers of the Global Jihad), issued a statement claiming responsibility for the attack, according to Will McCants, a terrorism analyst at CNA, a research institute that studies terrorism. The message said the attack was a response to Norwegian forces’ presence in Afghanistan and to unspecified insults to the Prophet Muhammad. “We have warned since the Stockholm raid of more operations,” the group said, apparently referred to a bombing in Sweden in December 2010, according to Mr McCants’ translation. “What you see is only the beginning, and there is more to come.” The claim could not be confirmed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwGrxM3MIP4

"Initial reports focused on the possibility of Islamic militants, in particular Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or Helpers of the Global Jihad, cited by some analysts as claiming responsibility for the attacks."

Once again.

Once again

""Big surprise. Islamic terrorists have claimed credit (but the claims have not been verified). ""

Name the 'Islamic terrorists" who've actually claimed credit for the attacks rather than 'initial reports cited by some analysts'.

Which particular branch of Islamic Terrorism or which Islamic terrorists in particular have claimed credit for this massacre? Any? None?

There's enough chaos created by Islamic terrorists in the world without making it up. All this Chicken Little bullshit just creates a fearstorm which prevents people from differentiating between genuine threats and bullshit.

Once again:

A terror group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami (the Helpers of the Global Jihad), issued a statement claiming responsibility for the attack

Here is a reference to the original story by some loony-left web site since you seem to have a problem with the New York Times:

There you go UG. I don't deal in 'loony left websites' nor 'loony right websites' either. I don't assume that just because someone has a blog that they're the gospel truth. I try and wait for something resembling the truth to emerge before I start posting unsubstantiated rumours as truth.

Further discussion of Islamic terrorism in this thread will result in it's closure and the issuing of warnings.

It's very disingenuous to use the situation in Norway as a method of promoting your own agenda.

This had nothing to do with promoting anyone's agendas. It was initially reported on numerous mainstream media outlets until they found out who the shooter was.

Once again:

A terror group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami (the Helpers of the Global Jihad), issued a statement claiming responsibility for the attack

"A terror group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami (the Helpers of the Global Jihad), issued a statement claiming responsibility for the attack, according to Will McCants, a terrorism analyst at CNA"

Show me the words. Show me the statement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwGrxM3MIP4

No sound?

This had nothing to do with promoting anyone's agendas. It was initiallly reported on numerous mainstream media outlets until they found out who the shooter was.

Precisely.

I am not a fortune teller. I posted the information that I saw on CNN before they found the shooter and clearly said that it had not been verified.

This attack had nothing to do with Muslims. It has been admitted by the suspect, a white Norwegian, whose Facebook page claims he is a Christian. He has also published a document referring widely to the Knights Templars (!) and to Muslim immigration. He says he will explain his reasoning in court.

This is from the BBC website; if some kind soul will give the link, you can read it for yourselves (sorry I can't do it myself).

I am not a fortune teller. I posted the information that I saw on CNN before they found the shooter and clearly said that it had not been verified.

No, as I pointed out....I posted the latest information that the shooter was a blond Norwegian a FEW HOURS before you made your post.

Of course, those that look for the Muslim boogieman will jump to only one conclusion in their desperate attempt to lay blame on a religion and fuel the support for grabbing other people's oil.

While I would not discount a link to Al Qaeda, in the light of the latest reports, I would tend to look elsewhere for the culprit.

The latest reports that I'm referring to are that the shooter at the youth camp is linked to the bombing in Oslo, and that he has been arrested and is a Norwegian man with blonde hair.

As far as this thread is concerned, I posted the latest...yet a few hours later...."Posted Yesterday, 13:01

Big surprise. Islamic terrorists have claimed credit "

My first sentence is proved by UG for me. Thanks UG.

A reminder of my reminder.

The information about his postings is in the World News section.

World News section????

What has a seperate thread in a seperate forum got to do with this thread and the current line of discourse?

As I said....

"As far as this thread is concerned, I posted the latest...yet a few hours later..." (UG posted his contentious words).

Those contentious words proved the first sentence of post#3.

Those contentious words are what Endure is rightly taking exception to.

BTW, considering your actions against members in OTB, when you defend an individual member's stance within a debate, perhaps you should clarify if you are acting as a mod or a mere participant in the discussion.....nobody here would want to argue with a moderation statement since it is against the rules and would result in action.

I am not a fortune teller. I posted the information that I saw on CNN before they found the shooter and clearly said that it had not been verified.

No, as I pointed out....I posted the latest information that the shooter was a blond Norwegian a FEW HOURS before you made your post.

So, there is no such thing as a blond, Norwegian Muslim? I am pretty sure that there are at least a few - which kind of messes up the attempt to spin what happened. It is pretty obvious that the information was correct when I posted it.

I am not a fortune teller. I posted the information that I saw on CNN before they found the shooter and clearly said that it had not been verified.

No, as I pointed out....I posted the latest information that the shooter was a blond Norwegian a FEW HOURS before you made your post.

So, there is no such thing as blond, Norwegian Muslims? I am pretty sure that there are some - which kind of messes up your attempt to twist what happened. It is pretty obvious that the information was correct when I posted it.

I'm not twisting anything.

There probably are some blond Norwegian Muslims. Unlikely that anyone in this diverse global forum would ever meet one they are so rare.

To cling so desperately to the unlikelihood is a sign of your desperation.

Once again, I refer to the first sentence in post #3 of this thread, and feel that I have been proved correct.

There probably are some blond Norwegian Muslims. Unlikely that anyone in this diverse global forum would ever meet one they are so rare.

It seems that the forum has a new covert to racial profiling.