Report: Gaddafi Killed In Sirte

[softgeorge]

the so called cross fire by media and rebels is also again a mystery because the convoy was destroyed already and most were shot and captured, again its not about lockerbie, but dead men tell no tale, and for sure some leaders are glad he has been shot / shut down :-)

A cross fire by 2 opposing forces, Gadaffi is surrounded by his captors and is the only one hit and killed or even injured in the crossfire seems something is missing.

[Ulysses G.]

Gadaffi was beaten to death by the crowd of rebel fighter who captured him. It was not political. It was mob justice.

[justaphase]

Gadaffi was beaten to death by the crowd of rebel fighter who captured him. It was not political. It was mob justice.

Well ive just seen new footage on BBC and it shows him being dragged away begging for his life before a burst of machine gun fire..

[Ulysses G.]

There is footage showing him alive and somewhat well and being beaten by a crowd until he is not conscious. Maybe he was alive when he was shot, but I would be surprised.

Edited October 22, 2011 by Ulysses G.

[maidu]

One down, twenty to go. The Middle East is rife with heavy handed dictators taking control, siphoning aid money from the west, snuffing out all opponents and non-flattering talk. It's like the 'hammer the puppet' game in olde tyme carnivals. There's a table with 12 holes, in each hole a puppet pops up randomly and your job is to flatten it with a wood mallet. How will the Middle East get clear of their mafia-type governments? Step 1: Make their religion less mandatory, less oppressive and less mean-spirited Step 2: appreciate females. I'm glad I don't live in the Middle East. Having to hear 'Allah Akbar!' shouted day and night - for any and all reasons, would drive me nuts (maybe I'm already nuts). If someone has a good bowel movement "Allah Akbar!" If the house next door burns down "Allah Akbar!" .......it get old fast.

[timekeeper]

one expects he had the resources to run away if he wanted to

he didn't take that option, he stayed with his supporters until the end came to him

he must have known his own death was inevitable but he stayed anyway

i give him credit for that and by doing so he honored those who fought and died for him in the battle for Libya

better that than the ignominy of being hanged in a chicken shed by a lynch mob like Saddam was ..............

[chooka]

Gadaffi was beaten to death by the crowd of rebel fighter who captured him. It was not political. It was mob justice.

Well I guess a lot on here can't blame Thaksin, the Shinawatra clan or the red shirts for this one, or maybe some are working overtime to find a link.

[JetsetBkk]

A cross fire by 2 opposing forces, Gadaffi is surrounded by his captors and is the only one hit and killed or even injured in the crossfire seems something is missing.

How do you know he was "the only one hit and killed or even injured"? There could have been many, but who would bother reporting about them?

[elgato]

Good riddance to bad rubbish!

[billd766]

You folks that are bestowing honors on the man might think about trying to convince the family members of the 270 victims of Pan Am flight 103 and the citizens of Lockerbie, Scotland, what a good man he was.

It might be a hard sell.

Lockerbie was in the past (by the way, I was on the Pan Am flight the day before 103; it was Pan Am 101 and originated in Frankfurt and picked up passengers in London. The 103 flight went every other day and originated in London.) The US and Europe made peace with Gaddafi this past decade and he, in fact, joined them in fighting against Al Qaeda. Big mistake. The lesson from this episode, especially for the North Koreans and Iranians, is: you can never trust America and Europe. Decommission your weapons of mass destruction and NATO will turn on you in a second. Fact is: Gaddafi had the right to put down an armed rebellion in his country and the people in DC and Europe who had spent the last couple of years planning investments and telling him how good it was to be friends with him instead joined with the rebels, among whom are avowed terrorists. Nice job. Libya will drop from the list of advanced nations into a cesspool of America's and Europe's making.

You do realise that on 8th September 1969 Gaddafi overthrew King Idris of Libya in a military coup so at that time the King had the right to put down the rebellion in HIS country.

Therefore would it be reasonable to say that the NTC and the people of Libya had the same RIGHT to overthrow the Gaddafi government?

[JemJem]

Some leaders of the West, such as G.W. Bush and Sarkozy, due to their policies/decisions, causing deaths of a great number of civilians in countries like Iraq and Libya (due to their love of oil revenues and other financial reasons)will sadly never pay for their crimes.

Does any of you think there is any doubt the Libya-intervention thing was for any reason other than oil ? Oh, yes, let's not forget arms-manufacturers. They made a lot of profit too.

Libya might or might not fall under the control of Islamists after the elections. But, I think and fear that it will be a fertile ground for Al-Qaeda terrorists and their allies in the near future.

Jem

[EnSvenskTiger]

You folks that are bestowing honors on the man might think about trying to convince the family members of the 270 victims of Pan Am flight 103 and the citizens of Lockerbie, Scotland, what a good man he was.

It might be a hard sell.

Lockerbie was in the past (by the way, I was on the Pan Am flight the day before 103; it was Pan Am 101 and originated in Frankfurt and picked up passengers in London. The 103 flight went every other day and originated in London.) The US and Europe made peace with Gaddafi this past decade and he, in fact, joined them in fighting against Al Qaeda. Big mistake. The lesson from this episode, especially for the North Koreans and Iranians, is: you can never trust America and Europe. Decommission your weapons of mass destruction and NATO will turn on you in a second. Fact is: Gaddafi had the right to put down an armed rebellion in his country and the people in DC and Europe who had spent the last couple of years planning investments and telling him how good it was to be friends with him instead joined with the rebels, among whom are avowed terrorists. Nice job. Libya will drop from the list of advanced nations into a cesspool of America's and Europe's making.

You do realise that on 8th September 1969 Gaddafi overthrew King Idris of Libya in a military coup so at that time the King had the right to put down the rebellion in HIS country.

Therefore would it be reasonable to say that the NTC and the people of Libya had the same RIGHT to overthrow the Gaddafi government?

Yes!Try to but NOT with the help of the entire Nato airbombardment force and secret Nato forces on the ground! Right?

Tiger

[chuckd]

Some leaders of the West, such as G.W. Bush and Sarkozy, due to their policies/decisions, causing deaths of a great number of civilians in countries like Iraq and Libya (due to their love of oil revenues and other financial reasons)will sadly never pay for their crimes.

Does any of you think there is any doubt the Libya-intervention thing was for any reason other than oil ? Oh, yes, let's not forget arms-manufacturers. They made a lot of profit too.

Libya might or might not fall under the control of Islamists after the elections. But, I think and fear that it will be a fertile ground for Al-Qaeda terrorists and their allies in the near future.

Jem

What an amazing post.

Not everybody could possibly link George Bush to the NATO attacks on Libya as you have done.

My congratulations on accomplishing absolutely nothing with your post.

[kerryk]

You folks that are bestowing honors on the man might think about trying to convince the family members of the 270 victims of Pan Am flight 103 and the citizens of Lockerbie, Scotland, what a good man he was.

It might be a hard sell.

Lockerbie was in the past (by the way, I was on the Pan Am flight the day before 103; it was Pan Am 101 and originated in Frankfurt and picked up passengers in London. The 103 flight went every other day and originated in London.) The US and Europe made peace with Gaddafi this past decade and he, in fact, joined them in fighting against Al Qaeda. Big mistake. The lesson from this episode, especially for the North Koreans and Iranians, is: you can never trust America and Europe. Decommission your weapons of mass destruction and NATO will turn on you in a second. Fact is: Gaddafi had the right to put down an armed rebellion in his country and the people in DC and Europe who had spent the last couple of years planning investments and telling him how good it was to be friends with him instead joined with the rebels, among whom are avowed terrorists. Nice job. Libya will drop from the list of advanced nations into a cesspool of America's and Europe's making.

You do realise that on 8th September 1969 Gaddafi overthrew King Idris of Libya in a military coup so at that time the King had the right to put down the rebellion in HIS country.

Therefore would it be reasonable to say that the NTC and the people of Libya had the same RIGHT to overthrow the Gaddafi government?

Yes!Try to but NOT with the help of the entire Nato airbombardment force and secret Nato forces on the ground! Right?

Tiger

If they were secret how would you know about them? So I guess not really secret eh?

[kerryk]

Some leaders of the West, such as G.W. Bush and Sarkozy, due to their policies/decisions, causing deaths of a great number of civilians in countries like Iraq and Libya (due to their love of oil revenues and other financial reasons)will sadly never pay for their crimes.

Does any of you think there is any doubt the Libya-intervention thing was for any reason other than oil ? Oh, yes, let's not forget arms-manufacturers. They made a lot of profit too.

Libya might or might not fall under the control of Islamists after the elections. But, I think and fear that it will be a fertile ground for Al-Qaeda terrorists and their allies in the near future.

Jem

What an amazing post.

Not everybody could possibly link George Bush to the NATO attacks on Libya as you have done.

My congratulations on accomplishing absolutely nothing with your post.

I always knew George Bush was responsible for Libya. For a dumb guy he sure gets around. Watching the Arab news today and a couple of the guys who shot Gaddafi said after he killed 70,000 they didn't really want him alive. But seriously the folks on Thai Visa are really interesting to read. Where else could you get positive Gaddafi information today?

[kerryk]

A new page has been turned in the history of Libya," a Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman, Jiang Yu, said yesterday. "We hope Libya will rapidly embark on an inclusive political process ... and allow the people to live in peace and happiness," she said.

A sign of the official policy change could be discerned in the language that Chinese state media used to refer to Colonel Gaddafi. Newspapers and agencies run by the state, which had previously referred to a "Middle East strongman", had yesterday made a small but significant change to their phrasing, calling him a "madman" instead.

In Moscow, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that the Geneva Conventions had been breached with the killing of Colonel Gaddafi.

Russian politician Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, who is also the head of the World Chess Federation, said that Colonel Gaddafi's death was a "tragedy" but that he died as a martyr and would be reincarnated.

So I guess we know where the posters ideas are coming from.

[Scott]

Off-topic post deleted and post with a foreign language. The permitted language on the forum is English.

[killerk]

after months of battle Libya has been freed of the dictator Kadaffi ,it's surreal that 42 years ago the same Kadaffi was their hero and taken over Libya without one single shot from a monarchy to a democracy.

Kadaffi and his entourage promised freedom and socialism,after a few good years the climate changed and he became a tiran and his era ended in a bloody mess on both sides.

the public is relieved 42 years ago and the day today also,it was justice in the beginning and it was justice a few days ago for the Libyan people,that i agree,the way they did it and showed it not ,everything actually changed in 1959 when this poor country became an oil-stagte but the truth is the real people never became rich of it,okay he threw away the Italian immigrants from the old colony out,changed arab letters to European alfabet in the society and billboards,anyone can have a morgage and own a house,but for most Libyans this was fatal atractions.

then came his green book ,with dubious ideas,and offcourse the hangings of the studentleaders and funding terrorists and rebellions and becoming the maddog of the middle-east

it remains a mystery what have driven this man , i think like all historic figures that i studied they were doubted and torn between evil and good toughts,was the revolution his plan to became a dictator,or was he a idealist that took the wrong turn somewhere along the path? his ideals where not acomlished in the beginning of a united africa beacause Egypt and Syrie couldn agree wit the man.

Well we know one thing for sure ,the man is dead, when we look with a western view to the latest devolpments in the Arabic world and Libya at the moment ,we see a vry for freedom as a cry for democracy,but the arabic world lacks of democratic impulses,the just want to get rit of the old regime.

just like they wanted the king in 1969 gone,and now Kaddafi. The Western world should lower their expectations because it may not be a suprise that the country will remain a mess and the oil-dollars will remain for the leaders and not the people. A people that don't forget 80 procent was for Kaddafi before and now becoming high on toughts and thinking they will be better off with a change; just like 42 years ago. Like the Americans would say ''same shit different day''

Edited October 22, 2011 by metisdead
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[EnSvenskTiger]

A new page has been turned in the history of Libya," a Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman, Jiang Yu, said yesterday. "We hope Libya will rapidly embark on an inclusive political process ... and allow the people to live in peace and happiness," she said.

A sign of the official policy change could be discerned in the language that Chinese state media used to refer to Colonel Gaddafi. Newspapers and agencies run by the state, which had previously referred to a "Middle East strongman", had yesterday made a small but significant change to their phrasing, calling him a "madman" instead.

In Moscow, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that the Geneva Conventions had been breached with the killing of Colonel Gaddafi.

Russian politician Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, who is also the head of the World Chess Federation, said that Colonel Gaddafi's death was a "tragedy" but that he died as a martyr and would be reincarnated.

So I guess we know where the posters ideas are coming from.

OK chuck! So this time without the sarcasm that when past you!

Are you for real? What are you some old John Wayne reborn?

We are free thinking individuals in this forum and we sure as hell know where YOUR ideas and comments comes from! Period!

Tiger

[kerryk]

A new page has been turned in the history of Libya," a Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman, Jiang Yu, said yesterday. "We hope Libya will rapidly embark on an inclusive political process ... and allow the people to live in peace and happiness," she said.

A sign of the official policy change could be discerned in the language that Chinese state media used to refer to Colonel Gaddafi. Newspapers and agencies run by the state, which had previously referred to a "Middle East strongman", had yesterday made a small but significant change to their phrasing, calling him a "madman" instead.

In Moscow, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that the Geneva Conventions had been breached with the killing of Colonel Gaddafi.

Russian politician Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, who is also the head of the World Chess Federation, said that Colonel Gaddafi's death was a "tragedy" but that he died as a martyr and would be reincarnated.

So I guess we know where the posters ideas are coming from.

OK chuck! So this time without the sarcasm that when past you!

Are you for real? What are you some old John Wayne reborn?

We are free thinking individuals in this forum and we sure as hell know where YOUR ideas and comments comes from! Period!

Tiger

EDIT! I spell badly so they will probably sensor me again.

To my Russian friend,

I am not chuck.

[EnSvenskTiger]

A new page has been turned in the history of Libya," a Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman, Jiang Yu, said yesterday. "We hope Libya will rapidly embark on an inclusive political process ... and allow the people to live in peace and happiness," she said.

A sign of the official policy change could be discerned in the language that Chinese state media used to refer to Colonel Gaddafi. Newspapers and agencies run by the state, which had previously referred to a "Middle East strongman", had yesterday made a small but significant change to their phrasing, calling him a "madman" instead.

In Moscow, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that the Geneva Conventions had been breached with the killing of Colonel Gaddafi.

Russian politician Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, who is also the head of the World Chess Federation, said that Colonel Gaddafi's death was a "tragedy" but that he died as a martyr and would be reincarnated.

So I guess we know where the posters ideas are coming from.

OK chuck! So this time without the sarcasm that when past you!

Are you for real? What are you some old John Wayne reborn?

We are free thinking individuals in this forum and we sure as hell know where YOUR ideas and comments comes from! Period!

Tiger

To my Russian friend,

I am not chuck.

That line wasnt for you! The resiver knows who.

The rest is for you and I am not Russian I am Swedish now living in Bangkok and by now bloody tired of gosts from dark,cold and ancient times.

Time to move on.

Tiger

[chuckd]

Mr. Swedish Tiger:

I am Chuck. What did I do to get you so riled up.. (As John Wayne might ask)?

[JemJem]

Some leaders of the West, such as G.W. Bush and Sarkozy, due to their policies/decisions, causing deaths of a great number of civilians in countries like Iraq and Libya (due to their love of oil revenues and other financial reasons)will sadly never pay for their crimes.

Does any of you think there is any doubt the Libya-intervention thing was for any reason other than oil ? Oh, yes, let's not forget arms-manufacturers. They made a lot of profit too.

Libya might or might not fall under the control of Islamists after the elections. But, I think and fear that it will be a fertile ground for Al-Qaeda terrorists and their allies in the near future.

Jem

What an amazing post.

Not everybody could possibly link George Bush to the NATO attacks on Libya as you have done.

My congratulations on accomplishing absolutely nothing with your post.

If you had read my post carefully, you would have seen that there's 'Iraq' in that sentence !!!

Jem

[JemJem]

Some leaders of the West, such as G.W. Bush and Sarkozy, due to their policies/decisions, causing deaths of a great number of civilians in countries like Iraq and Libya (due to their love of oil revenues and other financial reasons)will sadly never pay for their crimes.

Does any of you think there is any doubt the Libya-intervention thing was for any reason other than oil ? Oh, yes, let's not forget arms-manufacturers. They made a lot of profit too.

Libya might or might not fall under the control of Islamists after the elections. But, I think and fear that it will be a fertile ground for Al-Qaeda terrorists and their allies in the near future.

Jem

What an amazing post.

Not everybody could possibly link George Bush to the NATO attacks on Libya as you have done.

My congratulations on accomplishing absolutely nothing with your post.

I always knew George Bush was responsible for Libya. For a dumb guy he sure gets around. Watching the Arab news today and a couple of the guys who shot Gaddafi said after he killed 70,000 they didn't really want him alive. But seriously the folks on Thai Visa are really interesting to read. Where else could you get positive Gaddafi information today?

As I just wrote in response to Chuckd, he didn't notice 'Iraq' in that sentence of mine.

Next time, please read the posts more carefully, guys !

Jem

Edited October 22, 2011 by JemJem

[KunMatt]

You folks that are bestowing honors on the man might think about trying to convince the family members of the 270 victims of Pan Am flight 103 and the citizens of Lockerbie, Scotland, what a good man he was.

It might be a hard sell.

If that is your only argument then YOU might want to go and do a bit of private research outside of what is published in the tabloids and draw your own conclusion as to who was behind the bombing of the Pan Am flight.

[cdnvic]

In any case, George Bush and Iraq are off topic here so please just drop it.

[kerryk]

You folks that are bestowing honors on the man might think about trying to convince the family members of the 270 victims of Pan Am flight 103 and the citizens of Lockerbie, Scotland, what a good man he was.

It might be a hard sell.

If that is your only argument then YOU might want to go and do a bit of private research outside of what is published in the tabloids and draw your own conclusion as to who was behind the bombing of the Pan Am flight.

Instead of respected newspapers of record or media like the BBC I guess we should look at wacko websites that deal in conspiracy theories, UFOs and Elvis lives stories.

[Scott]

Let's not bait other posters.

Unless I am mistaken, Libya paid a huge amount of money on the Pan Am bombing. Without some culpability, it would seem unlikely that a large payment would be made.

[killerk]

the only good thing that the bbc broadcasts is click,top gear,james may toy stories and stephen fry last chance to see........ and the last chance to see kaddafi :-)

[kerryk]

the only good thing that the bbc broadcasts is click,top gear,james may toy stories and stephen fry last chance to see........ and the last chance to see kaddafi :-)

What in particular did the BBC report about Gaddafi that you dispute?