November 4, 201114 yr Yes... Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it Which is why I have a mild interest in cycles. There are some very good cyclist that look at many things. It is almost eerie how things move in cycles. Then again I guess if you look at basic things like sun, moon, tides etc... It should not surprise But still......
November 5, 201114 yr Second World War came along and saved Roosevelt that time. What does the cycle predict now?
November 5, 201114 yr Second World War came along and saved Roosevelt that time. What does the cycle predict now? I think it is always questionable whether WWII saved/ended the depression. But I also think wars tend to start when markets/commodities & real estate etc. bottom We are not there yet... But also These days it seems "pre-emptive strikes" are used to dampen the effects of unsound money. So again it seems it is with a twist we see things today The biggest difference in my mind between the Great Depression & this one is the fact that the US did not hold the great debt it now holds during the last great depression. Same for the citizens themselves. Credit cards were not around back then. But also all this FED Reserve intervention is prolonging this one & probably ultimately in the end making it a lot worse. As for cycles one of the more popular guys with quite a back story is Martin Armstrong. I believe he now states that he US Economy/Empire is now in decline cycle...duh ;)We don't need a cyclist to tell us that one... And that Asia/China is on the rise for the next 51.6 years As I said my interest is mild in cycles but I do look from time to time. But more like reading your horoscope out of curiosity. I have been interested in watching commodity cycles the last few years. Mainly silver & gold.
November 5, 201114 yr Second World War came along and saved Roosevelt that time. What does the cycle predict now? I think it is always questionable whether WWII saved/ended the depression. But I also think wars tend to start when markets/commodities & real estate etc. bottom We are not there yet... You know of course yours was not the first I have seen saying WWII saved/ended the depression. But after reading it I admit I thought/wondered about why so many think that. Of course the obvious answer would be the thinking that it created jobs. Through plane building, bomb making,soldiering, etc. etc. etc. But if it were just a matter of creating jobs the government could have easily done the same. In fact they could have created jobs doing anything but war & actually made a return on their investment. Instead they manufactured death & later even had to spend more in reparations for what their work/jobs caused. So....to me anyway that cannot be it. Instead somewhere in that line there was profit as always with wars but the profit went to the few.....the same few as always. As luck would have it a article came out that better describes it than I. I found this article pretty interesting & amazing at times. For instance the Iraq war pre-emptive strike. I wonder how many know that when it started We The People of the USA were told.... Ah easy & costs should run 60 Billion USD Yet the easy war pre-emptive strike went 8000% over budget. So much so that basically if you take the total killed & the cost it comes out to 8 MILLION USD per enemy combatant killed....As you know we do not call them soldiers & that is why TPTB can side step calling it a war. EIGHT MILLION per combatant killed ! Also as the article points out the supposed combatants call Al Qaeda spent about $500,000 USD on their attacks of WTC & Pentagon. Their claim was they would bankrupt the US. As the article points out that was probably the most rewarding 500k ever spent militarily. Because in reaction to that the US spent 10,000,000 times as much. Which helped bring us to where we stand today. But again that money was spent by the US & we are at the cliff of default/bankruptcy But somebody got rich didn't they? But it was not We The People. If you would like to read the article I mentioned & quoted the 8 million figure from it is here A Perversely Perfect War
November 6, 201114 yr Author For instance the Iraq war pre-emptive strike. I wonder how many know that when it started We The People of the USA were told.... Ah easy & costs should run 60 Billion USD Yet the easy war pre-emptive strike went 8000% over budget. The war was quick and cheap. The occupation and "nation building" is what has taken so long and cost all the money. I believe it was Wolfowitz who said that would be paid for by Iraqi oil sales. Funny that the "Neo-cons" who started a "war for oil" somehow managed to not get any oil out of it. So much so that basically if you take the total killed & the cost it comes out to 8 MILLION USD per enemy combatant killed....As you know we do not call them soldiers & that is why TPTB can side step calling it a war. EIGHT MILLION per combatant killed ! I wish we could have gotta Mohammed Atta nad his 10 pals for that bargain basement price. Also as the article points out the supposed combatants call Al Qaeda spent about $500,000 USD on their attacks of WTC & Pentagon. Their claim was they would bankrupt the US. As the article points out that was probably the most rewarding 500k ever spent militarily. Because in reaction to that the US spent 10,000,000 times as much. That's lame. It doesn't usually cost much to screw something up (fixing is always more expensive). One of many, many examples - How much money do hackers spend on the trojans, worms and viruses they create that screws up computers around the globe? How much does it cost to create defenses and how much do people spend on them?
November 6, 201114 yr You know of course yours was not the first I have seen saying WWII saved/ended the depression. But after reading it I admit I thought/wondered about why so many think that. Of course the obvious answer would be the thinking that it created jobs. Through plane building, bomb making,soldiering, etc. etc. etc. But if it were just a matter of creating jobs the government could have easily done the same. In fact they could have created jobs doing anything but war & actually made a return on their investment. Instead they manufactured death & later even had to spend more in reparations for what their work/jobs caused. So....to me anyway that cannot be it. Instead somewhere in that line there was profit as always with wars but the profit went to the few.....the same few as always. As luck would have it a article came out that better describes it than I. I found this article pretty interesting & amazing at times. For instance the Iraq war pre-emptive strike. I wonder how many know that when it started We The People of the USA were told.... Ah easy & costs should run 60 Billion USD Yet the easy war pre-emptive strike went 8000% over budget. So much so that basically if you take the total killed & the cost it comes out to 8 MILLION USD per enemy combatant killed....As you know we do not call them soldiers & that is why TPTB can side step calling it a war. EIGHT MILLION per combatant killed ! Also as the article points out the supposed combatants call Al Qaeda spent about $500,000 USD on their attacks of WTC & Pentagon. Their claim was they would bankrupt the US. As the article points out that was probably the most rewarding 500k ever spent militarily. Because in reaction to that the US spent 10,000,000 times as much. Which helped bring us to where we stand today. But again that money was spent by the US & we are at the cliff of default/bankruptcy But somebody got rich didn't they? But it was not We The People. If you would like to read the article I mentioned & quoted the 8 million figure from it is here A Perversely Perfect War Your article is incorrect. They are claiming the war in Iraq at a cost $5 Trillion, when in fact BOTH wars are at a total cost of less than $1.3 Trillion as of now. This guy is trying to nail jello to the wall with his article. The long term estimated costs of BOTH wars range between $3 Trillion and $5 Trillion total and include ongoing medical treatment for wounded, interest payments on debt, etc. An interesting link here on the costs of both wars: http://costofwar.com/en/ Another article with figures from the CBO follow... ______________________________________________________________ CBO: Eight Years of Iraq War Cost Less Than Stimulus Act Published August 30, 2010 Fox News.com As President Obama prepares to tie a bow on U.S. combat operations in Iraq, Congressional Budget Office numbers show that the total cost of the eight-year war was less than the stimulus bill passed by the Democratic-led Congress in 2009. According to CBO numbers in its Budget and Economic Outlook published this month, the cost of Operation Iraqi Freedom was $709 billion for military and related activities, including training of Iraqi forces and diplomatic operations. The projected cost of the stimulus, which passed in February 2009, and is expected to have a shelf life of two years, was $862 billion. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/30/cbo-years-iraq-war-cost-stimulus-act/#ixzz1ctQ2Vf53
November 6, 201114 yr Your article is incorrect. They are claiming the war in Iraq at a cost $5 Trillion, when in fact BOTH wars are at a total cost of less than $1.3 Trillion as of now. This guy is trying to nail jello to the wall with his article. The long term estimated costs of BOTH wars range between $3 Trillion and $5 Trillion total and include ongoing medical treatment for wounded, interest payments on debt, etc. An interesting link here on the costs of both wars: http://costofwar.com/en/ I am not so sure chuck... While i like that costofwar site & have looked at it in the past. If you read how they get their numbers you see they cite only Congressional allocated fund. Also sites such as this... http://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/true-cost-of-wars-in-afghanistan-iraq-is-anyone-s-guess-1.152268 Shows it is not easy to decipher. I have seen 3 trillion mentioned also on other sites...One thing I know is we will never know. Nor does it count the interest on these basically unfunded pre-emptive strikes. Then back to allocated or funded vs unfunded.... I do not think things like the CIA drones in Pakistan are funded as they basically do not exist. That is just one example. Yet the cost per flight is I imagine quite high. So thinking even that & the claim of 2-9 what ever suspected killed per mission = ?$$$$$ Lets even say your number is empirical 1.3 Trillion ....So it costs only what 2-3 million USD to kill each Iraqi combatant? Then again your long term is close to what this article is saying.....5 Trillion? So maybe he used that number as well? Then we are back to close to 8 million per kill? Lastly given what we know today as to the reasons given for going in there at all.... versus the costs to our country in $$$ & lives.....Well it would be a hard sell to most. But back to the original thought of war as a way out of/ending depressions It does not seem a logical assumption to me & that is really what my post was about
November 6, 201114 yr You can't have a good plan of action until you have a stable government... and by this I mean one which can plan ahead for ten years or more. This is where democracy falls on its face.
November 6, 201114 yr You can't have a good plan of action until you have a stable government... and by this I mean one which can plan ahead for ten years or more. This is where democracy falls on its face. Governments size is a big part of the problem. The way our governments are working are in sharp contrast to the way they were designed to work. I would add without sound money currency all the planning in the world will just add to the debt
November 6, 201114 yr No one should be looking for a world war to rescue America's economy. Previously world wars led to full employment and pent up demand. Under the current policy of "perpetual war", defense is merely an economic sector with it's head in the lobbying / tax trough, same as finance and energy and Drug / Healthcare companies and all the rest. If America ever did curtail it's perpetual assault on nations whose citizens have somewhat darker skin, there'd be marches screaming about "Jobs lost". What a clusterfuc_k it's become.
November 6, 201114 yr Author If America ever did curtail it's perpetual assault on nations whose citizens have somewhat darker skin, there'd be marches screaming about "Jobs lost". Stop hinting at racism, that has nothing to do with it. The USA has simply already put the "whiter" nations under the boot long ago. Back to the OP...the drawing has Trotsky and Stalin. If drawn today, it would be Obama in Trotsky's place.
November 8, 201114 yr What a clusterfuc_k it's become. You can say that again..... I am still in the US & of the mind or was....that we can rebuild...That the US is still a country of the people. Yet Each day personal rights & freedoms are being chipped away & I have to admit these days I wonder. Will someone step up & reinstate the Constitution? Especially now when the financial crisis will need to be masked or the attention drawn away from it does our rights seem all the more on the cliff. It has been over a decade since the terrorist incident. Yet daily the fear mongering here builds & builds TSA which was once limited to yelling...Your Papers! at airports are now in the streets. VIPR teams at Train & bus stations that travel interstate. FBI issuing instructions to various businesses to watch for folks who consistently are paying with cash. Making comments that seem anti-USA (aka: not agreeing with our military stance in the world)...suspect also Buying prep type supplies? Suspect Homeland Security<sic> now to step up monitoring Facebook,Twitter,& other *social* networking Federally funded high tech street lights with cameras supposedly to aid Dept. Homeland Security in making announcements but also have camera & recording capabilities being installed. Millions of Hotel TV's now broadcast DHS message of "See Something, Say Something" I saw this also on the airport monitors recently...gave me the creeps. FBI now admittedly records internet talk shows. They recently awarded over 500k to a company to do recording of as many shows as possible.The FBI claims it isn't big brother, but reviewing what airs as potential evidence.??? Of What?? Terrorism or dissent? It goes on & on..... A professor of History wrote this... 12 warning signs of fascism I cannot help but notice as I read the list....
November 8, 201114 yr A professor of History wrote this...12 warning signs of fascism I cannot help but notice as I read the list... amazing!!!
November 8, 201114 yr A professor of History wrote this...12 warning signs of fascism I cannot help but notice as I read the list... amazing!!! That is one word for it
November 8, 201114 yr A professor of History wrote this...12 warning signs of fascism I cannot help but notice as I read the list... amazing!!! That is one word for it if i were an American citizen like you i'd use a different expression.
November 8, 201114 yr A professor of History wrote this...12 warning signs of fascism I cannot help but notice as I read the list... amazing!!! That is one word for it if i were an American citizen like you i'd use a different expression. I have a few Including the one LB used FUBAR also comes to mind
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