Abhisit, Suthep Face Additional Charges: 2010 Bangkok Protests

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Abhisit, Suthep face additional charges
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Opposition and Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva and Democrat MP Suthep Thaugsuban will be summoned to acknowledge additional charges of authorising killings during the 2010 unrest in Bangkok, Department of Special Investigation (DSI) director-general Tarit Pengdith said yesterday.

Tarit said he had summoned Abhisit and Suthep to face charges on May 14 in connection with the murder of Kunakorn Srisuvan and the attempted murder of Samorn Maithong, a van driver who was seriously injured in the same incident in which taxi driver Pan Kamkong was shot dead.

Tarit said the three were the victims of actions carried out by authorities who were following orders issued by Abhisit and Suthep, so the two Democrats must be summoned to hear more charges.

The DSI chief said investigators had resolved that military officials who conducted the operation would not face any charges, in accordance with Article 70 of the Criminal Law, which exempts them from any responsibility.

Meanwhile, investigators plan to seek the court's permission to issue arrest warrants for three men photographed at the time and place where Colonel Romklao Thuwatham was shot dead during the 2010 unrest.


-- The Nation 2013-05-02

[allalong]

The DSI .(Doing Shiniwatras Instigating). Pathetic organization

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[Ricardo]

The timing of this, attempting to raise the pressure on the opposition-politicians, is of course nothing to do with former-PM Thaksin's desire, to return home !

[LuckyLew]

Revenge of the Shinawatra's at play here

Does he not get parliamentary immunity?

[DiamondKing]

Bout time the heat came down on him NO EXCUSE for the number of civilians killed and he was the one in charge, time to pay the piper AV

[Valentine]

Bout time the heat came down on him NO EXCUSE for the number of civilians killed and he was the one in charge, time to pay the piper AV

I think you will find it pretty hard to find an instance of a prime minister being charged with murder of protesters anywhere. Seems like you conveniently forget the number of civilians killed during the drug crackdown, Krue Seh, Tak Bai under another administration where no one has been charged.

[DiamondKing]

Bout time the heat came down on him NO EXCUSE for the number of civilians killed and he was the one in charge, time to pay the piper AV

I think you will find it pretty hard to find an instance of a prime minister being charged with murder of protesters anywhere. Seems like you conveniently forget the number of civilians killed during the drug crackdown, Krue Seh, Tak Bai under another administration where no one has been charged.

Completely different case and has its own arguments what we are talking about is van drivers MURDERED Journalists MURDERED Civilians MURDERED 91 in total with several bullets proven to come from government troops someone has to pay for that and AV gave that order to open fire on civilians. No excuse for that.

[AleG]

Completely different case and has its own arguments what we are talking about is van drivers MURDERED Journalists MURDERED Civilians MURDERED 91 in total with several bullets proven to come from government troops someone has to pay for that and AV gave that order to open fire on civilians. No excuse for that.

I think you will find it pretty hard to find an instance of a prime minister being charged with murder of protesters anywhere. Seems like you conveniently forget the number of civilians killed during the drug crackdown, Krue Seh, Tak Bai under another administration where no one has been charged.

Bout time the heat came down on him NO EXCUSE for the number of civilians killed and he was the one in charge, time to pay the piper AV

Abhisit and Suthep are being accused of premeditated murder for those two deaths, do you understand what the charge means? Do you think Abhisit ordered the murder of those two people?

They gave an order with Rules of Engagement to the army units, nowhere in those orders it said to murder Red Shirts (or anyone else), the orders were the same as they would be in any other country, use proportionate force, shoot in self defence or in defence of innocent people.

The worst of all is how Thaksin and his lackeys at PTP and the DSI have sold the Red Shirts down the river for political capital, they have nothing to gain by finding the truth if soldiers breaking the RoE killed and injured people, screw the truth, let's make political hay and go after Abhisit.

[Nickymaster]

Bout time the heat came down on him NO EXCUSE for the number of civilians killed and he was the one in charge, time to pay the piper AV

And who was in charge of the Red shirts in 2010 that killed 20 or so officials and terrorized Bangkok for months? Millions of people lived in fear. Who was in charge of instigating the Red mob?

[NongKhaiKid]

Revenge of the Shinawatra's at play here

Does he not get parliamentary immunity?

and if he ever gets back his revenge hit list will make War and Peace look like a advertising flier

[moe666]

Bout time the heat came down on him NO EXCUSE for the number of civilians killed and he was the one in charge, time to pay the piper AV

And who was in charge of the Red shirts in 2010 that killed 20 or so officials and terrorized Bangkok for months? Millions of people lived in fear. Who was in charge of instigating the Red mob?

Now come on thats not fair wanting to find who really was the instigator trying to get his 46 million or was it billion baht back

[Robby nz]

There is only one person they need to call in their defense.

Our beloved and lovely present prime minister who not so long ago said "The law must be obeyed" or words to that effect, although she seems to have forgotten that now given what's going on.

[Searat7]

• I think Abhisit exercised great restraint during the 2010 protests. I would have sent the army in much sooner to restore law and order (since the Police never did their job). Charges now are very politically motivated. Also I might add that Abhisit is probably the most honest PM this country had ever had. I see more problems down the road in this country especially if they try to bring Thaksin back this year.

[bigbamboo]

• I think Abhisit exercised great restraint during the 2010 protests. I would have sent the army in much sooner to restore law and order (since the Police never did their job). Charges now are very politically motivated. Also I might add that Abhisit is probably the most honest PM this country had ever had. I see more problems down the road in this country especially if they try to bring Thaksin back this year.

This is how I remember it too. Indeed the vast majority of the red shirts were peaceful too. It was certain individuals within the protestors led by their overlord that provoked the violence which followed.

[animatic]

This is revenge, coupled to a full court press power play of pressure.

Pure and simple, nothing more to it.

But it portends the type of Dictatorship that will happen should Thaksin gain full control.

At some point his constant over-reaching will trigger another coup, but this one likely

more violent towards Thaksin and his power structure to remove it from the game.

Sad to say and unwanted, but not unlikely if this continues as it is.

Edited May 2, 2013 by animatic

[LuckyLew]

Bout time the heat came down on him NO EXCUSE for the number of civilians killed and he was the one in charge, time to pay the piper AV

Killing people from a terrorist group is not a crime

[Theoutsider]

Bout time the heat came down on him NO EXCUSE for the number of civilians killed and he was the one in charge, time to pay the piper AV

Killing people from a terrorist group is not a crime

Wow, If that so can we chop their heads of.what about their families can we kill their red babies too.

[MunterHunter]

Wow, If that so can we chop their heads of.what about their families can we kill their red babies too.

If they hold an illegal protest (State of emergency or similar was declared, so gatherings over 5 people were considered illegal) and seize weapons from the Army, use those weapons against the Army and then start burning down parts of the capital, then the 'red babies' would also be guilty of acts of terrorism and would be dealt with according to Court order and Law. Edited May 2, 2013 by MunterHunter

[Theoutsider]

Wow, If that so can we chop their heads of.what about their families can we kill their red babies too.

If they hold an illegal protest (State of emergency or similar was declared, so gatherings over 5 people were considered illegal) and seize weapons from the Army, use those weapons against the Army and then start burning down parts of the capital, then the 'red babies' would also be guilty of acts of terrorism and would be dealt with according to Court order and Law.

Killing them is not a crime.

The babies are guilty.

Edited May 2, 2013 by Theoutsider

[khunken]

Wow, If that so can we chop their heads of.what about their families can we kill their red babies too.

If they hold an illegal protest (State of emergency or similar was declared, so gatherings over 5 people were considered illegal) and seize weapons from the Army, use those weapons against the Army and then start burning down parts of the capital, then the 'red babies' would also be guilty of acts of terrorism and would be dealt with according to Court order and Law.

Killing them is not a crime.

The babies are guilty.

Excuse me but how many babies did Abhisit kill (murder from one rabid post)? People who were in a firing zone got shot unfortunately and the process of finding out the culprits is slowly winding its way through the courts. The innocent people who got shot were Thaksin's cannon fodder as he knew that carnage would be the result of having an armed militia firing at the army & lobbing grenades at civilians & what few police were around.

[muttley]

Completely different case and has its own arguments what we are talking about is van drivers MURDERED Journalists MURDERED Civilians MURDERED 91 in total with several bullets proven to come from government troops someone has to pay for that and AV gave that order to open fire on civilians. No excuse for that.

I think you will find it pretty hard to find an instance of a prime minister being charged with murder of protesters anywhere. Seems like you conveniently forget the number of civilians killed during the drug crackdown, Krue Seh, Tak Bai under another administration where no one has been charged.

Bout time the heat came down on him NO EXCUSE for the number of civilians killed and he was the one in charge, time to pay the piper AV

Abhisit and Suthep are being accused of premeditated murder for those two deaths, do you understand what the charge means? Do you think Abhisit ordered the murder of those two people?

They gave an order with Rules of Engagement to the army units, nowhere in those orders it said to murder Red Shirts (or anyone else), the orders were the same as they would be in any other country, use proportionate force, shoot in self defence or in defence of innocent people.

The worst of all is how Thaksin and his lackeys at PTP and the DSI have sold the Red Shirts down the river for political capital, they have nothing to gain by finding the truth if soldiers breaking the RoE killed and injured people, screw the truth, let's make political hay and go after Abhisit.

I think you'll find that the charges relate to the revised rules of engagement, not the original ROE.

[muttley]

This is revenge, coupled to a full court press power play of pressure.

Pure and simple, nothing more to it.

But it portends the type of Dictatorship that will happen should Thaksin gain full control.

At some point his constant over-reaching will trigger another coup, but this one likely

more violent towards Thaksin and his power structure to remove it from the game.

Sad to say and unwanted, but not unlikely if this continues as it is.

Well actually it's just logic. As the original charge against them arose from the first inquest that pointed out that the military were responsible for the deaths of civilians ( and by definition of the ROE, the responsibility is passed to Abhisit and Suthep as PM and head of CRES respectively) each and every other inquest that determines the responsibility for civilian deaths was by the military will be added to the original charge.

So don't peak too soon on the emotional front, there's more where that come from.

[muttley]

Bout time the heat came down on him NO EXCUSE for the number of civilians killed and he was the one in charge, time to pay the piper AV

And who was in charge of the Red shirts in 2010 that killed 20 or so officials and terrorized Bangkok for months? Millions of people lived in fear. Who was in charge of instigating the Red mob?

It's 12 officials (see the other thread) and it's not been proved that the red shirts were responsible for any of those deaths, so you're being a bit presumptive.

Edited May 2, 2013 by muttley

[kimamey]

Bout time the heat came down on him NO EXCUSE for the number of civilians killed and he was the one in charge, time to pay the piper AV

Bearing in mind that the police are armed, if they shoot someone will Yingluck be held responsible? If the army shoot someone in the south will she be held responsible?

As for Tarit he's already admitted he can be pressured by the government to do what they want.

[metisdead]

Off topic posts and replies have been removed.

[whybother]

This is revenge, coupled to a full court press power play of pressure.

Pure and simple, nothing more to it.

But it portends the type of Dictatorship that will happen should Thaksin gain full control.

At some point his constant over-reaching will trigger another coup, but this one likely

more violent towards Thaksin and his power structure to remove it from the game.

Sad to say and unwanted, but not unlikely if this continues as it is.

Well actually it's just logic. As the original charge against them arose from the first inquest that pointed out that the military were responsible for the deaths of civilians ( and by definition of the ROE, the responsibility is passed to Abhisit and Suthep as PM and head of CRES respectively) each and every other inquest that determines the responsibility for civilian deaths was by the military will be added to the original charge.

So don't peak too soon on the emotional front, there's more where that come from.

It doesn't seem logical that they have been charged as civilians.

[Chrisswe]

The Thai people's wants to se the end of this murder charged, if there is any fairness in this country. Compare what Khun Thaksin has done !!

[khunken]

This is revenge, coupled to a full court press power play of pressure.

Pure and simple, nothing more to it.

But it portends the type of Dictatorship that will happen should Thaksin gain full control.

At some point his constant over-reaching will trigger another coup, but this one likely

more violent towards Thaksin and his power structure to remove it from the game.

Sad to say and unwanted, but not unlikely if this continues as it is.

Well actually it's just logic. As the original charge against them arose from the first inquest that pointed out that the military were responsible for the deaths of civilians ( and by definition of the ROE, the responsibility is passed to Abhisit and Suthep as PM and head of CRES respectively) each and every other inquest that determines the responsibility for civilian deaths was by the military will be added to the original charge.

So don't peak too soon on the emotional front, there's more where that come from.

It doesn't seem logical that they have been charged as civilians.

There's nothing logical about a politically directed witch hunt which is designed to 'persuade' the opposition to accept all the amnesties, constitution changes, BOT instructions, etc that strengthens PTP's power & drops all charges against Thaksin.

Tarit & logic don't mix. He's doing what he's told.

[Locationthailand]

Tarit - get a life. You really are VERY boring....

[hammered]

Hmm. Not been on here for ages. See there are still a few names I remember.

I think the story looks at the wrong angle. Look at who will not be charged.