State forces blamed for murder of six at temple site in 2010 protest

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State forces blamed for murder of six at temple site in 2010 protest
By English News



BANGKOK, Aug 6 – The Bangkok South Criminal Court ruled today that six people killed in a temple compound during the 2010 political protest were shot by bullets from government authorities.

Based on an autopsy report, the court said the six victims were killed by .223 high velocity bullets from the direction of government forces on a BTS skytrain station in front of Wat Pathum Wanaram on Rama I Road – a restricted area under the order of the now-defunct Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation.

Their bodies were found in the temple premise on May 19, 2010. They were identified as Suwan Sriraksa, Attachai Chumchan, Mongkol Kemthong, Rop Suksathit, Ms Kamolket Akhard and Akkradej Khankaew.

The court said the six victims were not believed to be involved in arms possession as the autopsy did not find gunshot residue on their fingers.

“It is believed that they did not fire in retaliation. Neither was there any confiscation of weapons from them and there was no men in black involved,” said the court.

The six were among nearly 100 people killed in the political upheaval in Bangkok’s shopping vicinity of Rajprasong and Rajdamnern Avenue in 2010 during an anti-government protest by the United Front for Democracy (UDD), a hardcore Red Shirt group. (MCOT online news)


-- TNA 2013-08-06

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Wat Pathum Wanaran victims killed by soldiers: Criminal Court

BANGKOK: -- The Criminal Court ruled on Tuesday that the six individuals who were killed at Wat Pathum Wanaram during the 2010 political violence were fatally wounded by bullets fired by the state authorities.

The Court said the victims were killed by 5.56mm high velocity bullets fired by soldiers stationed on Skytrain on Rama I Road.

-- The Nation 2013-08-06

[NongKhaiKid]

More DSI summonses for Abhisit ? I wonder if they will move with the same lack of purpose as with the luxury car scam and the fugitive ex-monk ?

[northernjohn]

No surprise there.

Has the DSI found any black shirt guilty of any thing?

What are the chances of that happening?

It was my understanding that their was some army fire arms found with the red shirts.

[h90]

No surprise there.

Has the DSI found any black shirt guilty of any thing?

What are the chances of that happening?

It was my understanding that their was some army fire arms found with the red shirts.

yes I also wonder how they could found out who fired the bullets when the red shirts captured Army weapons.

and on the other hand to find out which kind of bullet doesn't need 3 years.

[philw]

Truth will out...................

Some on here will not accept it, but there it is, medics shot in cold blood by the authorities.

Let's see how the Courts take this further, but it cannot be a surprise to anyone, why there is such deep division in the country.

[Katipo]

I'm not pointinig fingers at one side or another. However, I am just as likely to believe that the army fired on innocent civillians (after all the restraint they showed for all those weeks) as I am to believe the DSI is a truly independent body who actually know what they are doing.

[gerry1011]

No men in black involved? What a surprise

I look forward to read the (renewed) theories of the most obsessed anti-government TV members about this matter

The court was bought Thaksin himself?

The judges were pressured by red shirts?

The men in black stole military uniforms before to shoot their own people?

A secret red underground service photoshopped all pictures taken that day and made the men in black disappear from the court's evidences?

I am curious to read, really. There is a lot of creativity among TV members.

On my side I am among the ones who would like AV and Suthep take responsibility for this massacre.

Reconciliation for all... Except these two.

[Calimotty]

The entire situation was a staged distraction from the then governments inadequacies.

[gemini81]

Truth will out...................

Some on here will not accept it, but there it is, medics shot in cold blood by the authorities.

Let's see how the Courts take this further, but it cannot be a surprise to anyone, why there is such deep division in the country.

Hopefully TV only has one poster is daft enough to believe that. These thugs were as innocent as the ones who created a fiasco at the hospital.

Edited August 6, 2013 by gemini81

[philw]

Truth will out...................

Some on here will not accept it, but there it is, medics shot in cold blood by the authorities.

Let's see how the Courts take this further, but it cannot be a surprise to anyone, why there is such deep division in the country.

Hopefully TV only has one poster is daft enough to believe that. These thugs were as innocent as the ones who created a fiasco at the hospital.

The unarmed nurse ???

Daft eh ???

[gemini81]

No men in black involved? What a surprise

I look forward to read the (renewed) theories of the most obsessed anti-government TV members about this matter

The court was bought Thaksin himself?

The judges were pressured by red shirts?

The men in black stole military uniforms before to shoot their own people?

A secret red underground service photoshopped all pictures taken that day and made the men in black disappear from the court's evidences?

I am curious to read, really. There is a lot of creativity among TV members.

On my side I am among the ones who would like AV and Suthep take responsibility for this massacre.

Reconciliation for all... Except these two.

Images of AV and Suthep out firing off rounds themselves happened to be missing too.

Also missing from Bangkok at that time was you, right?

You show a confusion or lack of knowledge in the events that occurred. No leader around the world would have sat back and tolerated a city under siege for so long.

The police ought to be charged in having done nothing; and seh daeng's men in black.

Edited August 6, 2013 by gemini81

[smutcakes]

Hmm lets see, blame on the authorities, lets see how many decide not to trust the judges in this case. Pick and choose pick and choose. Decision in favor of red shirts= corrupt judges etc ruling against them= the courts are the incorruptible the final barrier against TS dictatorship bla bla...

This thread will die a death anyway, if they found them innocent it would already be 10 pages long.

[tonneke breda]

No surprise there.

Has the DSI found any black shirt guilty of any thing?

What are the chances of that happening?

It was my understanding that their was some army fire arms found with the red shirts.

I taped a guy with red scarf shooting with an m-16 towards the soldiers in front of the intersection pathunam, but guess the police never did anything, and the DSI took the tape from my mobile and never got back to me even when I asked them

[gemini81]

No surprise there.

Has the DSI found any black shirt guilty of any thing?

What are the chances of that happening?

It was my understanding that their was some army fire arms found with the red shirts.

I taped a guy with red scarf shooting with an m-16 towards the soldiers in front of the intersection pathunam, but guess the police never did anything, and the DSI took the tape from my mobile and never got back to me even when I asked them

Interesting observation is that when I search you tube in Thailand, I can't find half the videos I can access while in Korea. Looks like a lot of things are removed/monitored etc. Hope people continue to spread what is available or re-post it. No hiding what animals the red shirt thugs were the other year, even by trying to censor it, internet savvy people can still access it. Hard to control the masses here like they once could; like in China or north korea.

[wackysleet]

steal their guns, don't take warning and remain in a firing zone. Stay in the temple to play innocent and dodge bullets after throwing molotovs? Got what they deserved; no need to blame soldiers or abhisit.

gemini81.

So with these facts why did you not present them to the inquiry or are you just another fool that thinks Ahisit and Co are completely innocent of all and every crime commited in the past in Thailand.

The truth of course is in reality your just guessing and actually know nothing, typical of Thaivisa posters.

[gemini81]

steal their guns, don't take warning and remain in a firing zone. Stay in the temple to play innocent and dodge bullets after throwing molotovs? Got what they deserved; no need to blame soldiers or abhisit.

gemini81.

So with these facts why did you not present them to the inquiry or are you just another fool that thinks Ahisit and Co are completely innocent of all and every crime commited in the past in Thailand.

The truth of course is in reality your just guessing and actually know nothing, typical of Thaivisa posters.

thanks for the name calling and typical red shirt response; and for steering it around to "everything in the past" which is not what we're even talking about.

Abhisit has a much more credible record; you seem unable to dispute that and give examples. This 'charge the ex PM with murder' is a cheap way for PT to keep adversaries at bay to continue the kleptocracy.

Edited August 6, 2013 by gemini81

[h90]

steal their guns, don't take warning and remain in a firing zone. Stay in the temple to play innocent and dodge bullets after throwing molotovs? Got what they deserved; no need to blame soldiers or abhisit.

gemini81.

So with these facts why did you not present them to the inquiry or are you just another fool that thinks Ahisit and Co are completely innocent of all and every crime commited in the past in Thailand.

The truth of course is in reality your just guessing and actually know nothing, typical of Thaivisa posters.

The problem here is a DSI controlled by Thaksin will find out that Abhisit is guilty for about just everything. While the Democrats will claim that the soldiers throw only cotton pads at the red terrorists.

Both have no shame in lying what fits them best at the moment and tell something complete different 5 min later.

I recall the red shirts called themself peaceful unarmed while at the same time they did speeches about how strong they are with all the weapons and the black shirts walked around with AKA-47.

Abhisit meanwhile told that the army is not armed when you saw them with the guns. Than he told they have no live ammunition while you could see a car full of holes.

Than he said they only fire into the sky/air......

no shame....

[khunken]

First, the court is only issuing it's judgement based on whatever evidence that was presented. Whether that evidence covered all possible scenarios, the Op doesn't say. Certainly the DSI's role in evidence gathering is not unbiased.

Second, the individuals concerned were AFAIK innocent victims of the protests & riots. Whether the bullets came from military guns in military hands or others' hands we don't know from this judgement.

Third, if it was military hands, we also don't know if they were under fire from others within the temple.

Fourth, blaming Abhisit & Suthep is plainly stupid. There is no evidence that they gave direct orders to whoever did the shooting and there remains a lot of ground to cover in deciding what orders the military were given, who gave them and whether individual military personnel exceeded their orders.

IMO this is an expected verdict but I doubt if it's the last we'll hear about it.

[northernjohn]

Truth will out...................

Some on here will not accept it, but there it is, medics shot in cold blood by the authorities.

Let's see how the Courts take this further, but it cannot be a surprise to anyone, why there is such deep division in the country.

I agree with you completely on no surprise to the deep division in the country. Unlike other countries with different divisions Thailand can be narrowed down to one word.

Thaksin

It is simply amazing how one man who can control a Government in a country he can only legally enter by accepting a two year prison sentence which he knows would be a 5 star accommodation for him.

It helps when your sister is the Prime Minister of the country.

[Robby nz]

We know for a fact from photos and videos that men in black were also in a position to shoot into the temple and they had the same rifles.

We also know that the army and the govt had declared the temple a safe area but I don't know if the red leaders had also declared it a safe area.

So that really leaves the mind set and motivation of the ones who did it.

If we look at the army we will see that they were in the position of having won, so surely would have been in a relieved state of mind, they were going home, no more being shot at no more risk, in short a happy state of mind.

Then there are the men in black who had just been beaten and seen their brave leaders who were going to fight to the last drop of blood, either get their hands in the air before it became their blood or run off.

What do you think their state of mind would be? I would think pissed off would be putting it mildly.

So given the two groups in different states of mind that leaves motivation.

So please explain why the army would want to shoot into an area they knew had been declared safe for the protesters.

If they had some sort of a blood lust there were plenty of others they could have shot at, so why pick a nurse of all people?

Given the way the Govt and the army treated the protesters, fed and watered them, gave them medical checks and free transport home

it would seem strange that they would want kill anyone at that stage.

The only explanation could be a rouge soldier who just wanted to kill someone, but I am sure by now if it had been, one or more of those who witnessed a soldier firing into the temple would have come forward and said so, but nothing, is comradeship that strong, I doubt it somehow.

Now we look at the men in black who were in a loser state of mind.

We know from videos that they had previously shown scant regard for who they killed of injured, we all saw them jumping out from cover, letting off a mag of rounds in the general direction of the army then jumping back.

This is also shown by the firing of grenades at targets such as the sky train station.

So what sort of motivation would they have, a last kill, as in 'take that you bastits, think you can do this to us and get away with it', preferably something they could blame on the army.

We see a similar thing on the news almost daily, there is a fight, the loser pulls a gun, bang, someone, and sometimes a bystander, is dead, then they run.

I wonder if that sort of thing was taken into account by the court?

Probably not, after all the DSI has investigated this...right.

But the court has made its decision so there it stands.

And the reds will make it very clear who ordered this deliberate and premeditated killing.

[dcutman]

Truth will out...................

Some on here will not accept it, but there it is, medics shot in cold blood by the authorities.

Let's see how the Courts take this further, but it cannot be a surprise to anyone, why there is such deep division in the country.

I did not see in this article what Army unit these weapons came from. Surly the courts retrieved from that units armory and identified the weapons through ballistics tests and know exactly who/what soldiers fired these deadly shots.

[Thait Spot]

 

Truth will out...................

 

Some on here will not accept it, but there it is, medics shot in cold blood by the authorities.

 

Let's see how the Courts take this further, but it cannot be a surprise to anyone, why there is such deep division in the country.

Hopefully TV only has one poster is daft enough to believe that. These thugs were as innocent as the ones who created a fiasco at the hospital.

 

 

The unarmed nurse ???

Daft eh ???

 

And what are her mother's wishes?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

[diz]

No surprise there.

Has the DSI found any black shirt guilty of any thing?

What are the chances of that happening?

It was my understanding that their was some army fire arms found with the red shirts.

I taped a guy with red scarf shooting with an m-16 towards the soldiers in front of the intersection pathunam, but guess the police never did anything, and the DSI took the tape from my mobile and never got back to me even when I asked them

Interesting observation is that when I search you tube in Thailand, I can't find half the videos I can access while in Korea. Looks like a lot of things are removed/monitored etc. Hope people continue to spread what is available or re-post it. No hiding what animals the red shirt thugs were the other year, even by trying to censor it, internet savvy people can still access it. Hard to control the masses here like they once could; like in China or north korea.

TOR is your friend against censorship.

[monkeycountry]

No men in black involved? What a surprise

I look forward to read the (renewed) theories of the most obsessed anti-government TV members about this matter

The court was bought Thaksin himself?

The judges were pressured by red shirts?

The men in black stole military uniforms before to shoot their own people?

A secret red underground service photoshopped all pictures taken that day and made the men in black disappear from the court's evidences?

I am curious to read, really. There is a lot of creativity among TV members.

On my side I am among the ones who would like AV and Suthep take responsibility for this massacre.

Reconciliation for all... Except these two.

What do you want them to take responsibility for? Do you know which orders they gave, if any?

Do you think AV/ST gave orders to go and kill unarmed protesters? If you do, what would be their motive?

[HUAHIN62]

The autopsy reports showed the caliber of weapons used, but both sides had the same weapons. What is however lacking in the English news reports are the fact of the balistics. The soldiers was in an elavated position and thus shot downwards. A dead give away (no pun intended). Remember the foreign nurse was also killed at the Wat and she was not armed nor presented a threat. The autopsy also found no gun residue, thus unarmed Thai's was shot. What would have happened in your countries in such a case? Take the politics out of it and look at the facts of what happened at the Wat. The troops involved was from,3rd Special Warfare Regiment's ranger battalion, not regular troops. They where equiped with M16 with scopes on them (video tapes of that). With a scope you see what you are shooting, unlike a firefight. So they saw unarmed people and choose to shoot. What happened in other area of BKK is an open question, who are to blame for the run up to all of this can be debated. At the Wat however the troops used too much force.

[Just1Voice]

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And of course you have actual, irrefutable PROOF that the nurse, and others, had stolen weapons and were throwing molotivs? Will you PLEASE rush that down to the DSI as soon as possible? Yet, I seem to recall reading a number of articles where witnesses CLEARLY STATED that the nurse was shot in the back while bending over trying to administer aid to someone who had been hurt. By any chance did you happen to read any of those articles? Or did you read them and simply dismiss them as lies put forth by the Red Shirts?

I definitely don't agree with the actions of the Reds in regards to the shooting, rioting and burning, but neither do I paint everyone with the same "terrorist" brush that you seem to have permanently fixed to your hand/brain. There is more than enough guilt and blame to go around for both sides for their actions, but you might try to also remember that there WERE innocents, and yes, some of them WERE killed.

[jayboy]

It's odd that those who consistently insist that the courts should be respected start quibbling and disputing the verdict when it is uncomfortable for them.

In this instance the scope was limited to the Wat Pathum incident.It was found beyond any reasonable doubt the unarmed civilians there were murdered by the army.There were no weapons there and no Men in Black.The politicians responsible lied consistently about this.

[metisdead]

A nonsense baiting post has been removed as well as a reply.

[jayboy]

http://bit.ly/190qHZ7