Scotland to become independent in March 2016 if referendum passes

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Voting should be for Scots residing in Scotland.

It's their country and history. NOT for others from afar who came to the land for financial reasons and know nothing about Scotland.

[jpinx]

Voting should be for Scots residing in Scotland.

It's their country and history. NOT for others from afar who came to the land for financial reasons and know nothing about Scotland.

Things "should be" ... but rarely are. The reality is what the referendum agreement states. Besides -- who can decide what "nationality" any Brit, australian, canadian, USian, etc. is ?

P.S. As a matter of curiosity - why did you eliminate Scots living overseas?

Edited June 1, 2014 by jpinx

[transam]

Voting should be for Scots residing in Scotland.

It's their country and history. NOT for others from afar who came to the land for financial reasons and know nothing about Scotland.

Things "should be" ... but rarely are. The reality is what the referendum agreement states. Besides -- who can decide what "nationality" any Brit, australian, canadian, USian, etc. is ?

P.S. As a matter of curiosity - why did you eliminate Scots living overseas?

Not sure really. Perhaps folk who move out have given up. Perhaps I should have said, those with a Scots birth certificate. BUT, my thoughts are, someone who has just "acquired" a passport to live there and knows nothing about Scotland, in my view should not make decisions for the folk whom the country belongs.

[nontabury]

Voting should be for Scots residing in Scotland.

It's their country and history. NOT for others from afar who came to the land for financial reasons and know nothing about Scotland.

Things "should be" ... but rarely are. The reality is what the referendum agreement states. Besides -- who can decide what "nationality" any Brit, australian, canadian, USian, etc. is ?

P.S. As a matter of curiosity - why did you eliminate Scots living overseas?

Was is not Alex Salmonds who demanded that Scott's ex-pats should be excluded, while insisting that all those mature 16yr olds would be given the right to vote?.

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[7by7]

All aspects of the referendum, including the franchise, were decided by the Scottish Parliament, i.e. the majority party there, the SNP.

Those who can vote are
•British citizens resident in Scotland.
•Qualifying Commonwealth citizens resident in Scotland. This means Commonwealth citizens who either have leave to remain in the UK or do not require such leave, and are resident in Scotland.
•Citizens of the Republic of Ireland and other EU countries resident in Scotland.
•Members of the House of Lords resident in Scotland.
•Service/Crown personnel serving in the UK or overseas in the Armed Forces or with Her Majesty’s Government who are registered to vote in Scotland.

Anyone who has any complaints about who can and who cannot vote should take them to Alex Salmond.

Edit:

Nontabury beat me to it.

Edited June 1, 2014 by 7by7

[Pattszero]

The logistics of proving who was eligible to vote from the diaspora was the telling factor. It would have required validation of millions of applications to vote from across the world. I agree with Salmond that it would have been an impossible task.

Anyone wishing to qualify to vote had plenty of time to return and register. Of all the arguments in this referendum, the pitiful wailing of Scots that couldn't be bothered relocating to their homeland is the most absurd.

On the subject of voting rights, who on this thread has the right to vote?

[jpinx]

The logistics of proving who was eligible to vote from the diaspora was the telling factor. It would have required validation of millions of applications to vote from across the world. I agree with Salmond that it would have been an impossible task.

Anyone wishing to qualify to vote had plenty of time to return and register. Of all the arguments in this referendum, the pitiful wailing of Scots that couldn't be bothered relocating to their homeland is the most absurd.

On the subject of voting rights, who on this thread has the right to vote?

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I haven't heard any "pitiful wailing" on that specific issue -- though there is plenty of noise from folks with an opinion but no rights on the matter. I totally accept other UK residents comments since it is their country which will suffer most from Scottish Independence.

A better question might be " Who in here has the right to vote and will exercise it ? "

P.S. I had to come back and say that TV members notoriously comment extensively on topics they have no "rights" in -- S.E. Asia countries' situations especially

Edited June 1, 2014 by jpinx

[Pattszero]

The logistics of proving who was eligible to vote from the diaspora was the telling factor. It would have required validation of millions of applications to vote from across the world. I agree with Salmond that it would have been an impossible task.

Anyone wishing to qualify to vote had plenty of time to return and register. Of all the arguments in this referendum, the pitiful wailing of Scots that couldn't be bothered relocating to their homeland is the most absurd.

On the subject of voting rights, who on this thread has the right to vote?

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I haven't heard any "pitiful wailing" on that specific issue -- though there is plenty of noise from folks with an opinion but no rights on the matter. I totally accept other UK residents comments since it is their country which will suffer most from Scottish Independence.

A better question might be " Who in here has the right to vote and will exercise it ? "

P.S. I had to come back and say that TV members notoriously comment extensively on topics they have no "rights" in -- S.E. Asia countries' situations especially

Oh, there has been pitiful wailing - guys going to court to try to get the referendum suspended, among others.

Forgive me if I don't join in a long discourse with people that have no say in the matter; exercises in futility are overrated. I'll spend my time talking to potential voters.

All the best.

[slipperylobster]

Crikey...it's about time. We did that 240 years ago

[RuamRudy]

The logistics of proving who was eligible to vote from the diaspora was the telling factor. It would have required validation of millions of applications to vote from across the world. I agree with Salmond that it would have been an impossible task.

Anyone wishing to qualify to vote had plenty of time to return and register. Of all the arguments in this referendum, the pitiful wailing of Scots that couldn't be bothered relocating to their homeland is the most absurd.

On the subject of voting rights, who on this thread has the right to vote?

I do not have the right to vote and accept that fact; I also have no problem with residents of Scotland who were born outside the country being allowed to vote.

[jpinx]

The logistics of proving who was eligible to vote from the diaspora was the telling factor. It would have required validation of millions of applications to vote from across the world. I agree with Salmond that it would have been an impossible task.

Anyone wishing to qualify to vote had plenty of time to return and register. Of all the arguments in this referendum, the pitiful wailing of Scots that couldn't be bothered relocating to their homeland is the most absurd.

On the subject of voting rights, who on this thread has the right to vote?

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I haven't heard any "pitiful wailing" on that specific issue -- though there is plenty of noise from folks with an opinion but no rights on the matter. I totally accept other UK residents comments since it is their country which will suffer most from Scottish Independence.

A better question might be " Who in here has the right to vote and will exercise it ? "

P.S. I had to come back and say that TV members notoriously comment extensively on topics they have no "rights" in -- S.E. Asia countries' situations especially

Oh, there has been pitiful wailing - guys going to court to try to get the referendum suspended, among others.

Forgive me if I don't join in a long discourse with people that have no say in the matter; exercises in futility are overrated. I'll spend my time talking to potential voters.

All the best.

I think your contributions here will fall on few voters ears I take it you are in Scotland now and campaigning hard ?

[Pattszero]

The logistics of proving who was eligible to vote from the diaspora was the telling factor. It would have required validation of millions of applications to vote from across the world. I agree with Salmond that it would have been an impossible task.

Anyone wishing to qualify to vote had plenty of time to return and register. Of all the arguments in this referendum, the pitiful wailing of Scots that couldn't be bothered relocating to their homeland is the most absurd.

On the subject of voting rights, who on this thread has the right to vote?

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I haven't heard any "pitiful wailing" on that specific issue -- though there is plenty of noise from folks with an opinion but no rights on the matter. I totally accept other UK residents comments since it is their country which will suffer most from Scottish Independence.

A better question might be " Who in here has the right to vote and will exercise it ? "

P.S. I had to come back and say that TV members notoriously comment extensively on topics they have no "rights" in -- S.E. Asia countries' situations especially

Oh, there has been pitiful wailing - guys going to court to try to get the referendum suspended, among others.

Forgive me if I don't join in a long discourse with people that have no say in the matter; exercises in futility are overrated. I'll spend my time talking to potential voters.

All the best.

I think your contributions here will fall on few voters ears I take it you are in Scotland now and campaigning hard ?

No, I am in Patts at the moment on a business meeting. I'll be back in Scotland soon in time for the Commonwealth Games and referendum. The real campaigning starts around 7 August, and my special area of responsibility is talking to the African community via their churches. I have twelve in my roster, and I expect to visit each one three times during the campaign.

We also have a team of Poles that will work within their community. One problem we are experiencing is in reaching out to the disparate immigrant groups, and we are hoping to do so via targeted social media. Every vote we can convert the better.

[jpinx]

The logistics of proving who was eligible to vote from the diaspora was the telling factor. It would have required validation of millions of applications to vote from across the world. I agree with Salmond that it would have been an impossible task.

Anyone wishing to qualify to vote had plenty of time to return and register. Of all the arguments in this referendum, the pitiful wailing of Scots that couldn't be bothered relocating to their homeland is the most absurd.

On the subject of voting rights, who on this thread has the right to vote?

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I haven't heard any "pitiful wailing" on that specific issue -- though there is plenty of noise from folks with an opinion but no rights on the matter. I totally accept other UK residents comments since it is their country which will suffer most from Scottish Independence.

A better question might be " Who in here has the right to vote and will exercise it ? "

P.S. I had to come back and say that TV members notoriously comment extensively on topics they have no "rights" in -- S.E. Asia countries' situations especially

Oh, there has been pitiful wailing - guys going to court to try to get the referendum suspended, among others.

Forgive me if I don't join in a long discourse with people that have no say in the matter; exercises in futility are overrated. I'll spend my time talking to potential voters.

All the best.

I think your contributions here will fall on few voters ears I take it you are in Scotland now and campaigning hard ?

No, I am in Patts at the moment on a business meeting. I'll be back in Scotland soon in time for the Commonwealth Games and referendum. The real campaigning starts around 7 August, and my special area of responsibility is talking to the African community via their churches. I have twelve in my roster, and I expect to visit each one three times during the campaign.

We also have a team of Poles that will work within their community. One problem we are experiencing is in reaching out to the disparate immigrant groups, and we are hoping to do so via targeted social media. Every vote we can convert the better.

You've got your work cut out. I know a few Poles, africans, etc, scattered around the highlands and west coast. They're having such a wonderful life that they probably can't be bothered with voting

Edited June 1, 2014 by jpinx

[Pattszero]

It won't be easy - that is why we have specialist teams identifying groups that are normally ignored by the main parties. I note what member RuanRaud said about not having a problem with people born outside of Scotland having a vote. That is the majority and mature view.

The rest of the UK seems to be caught in a vortex of anti-immigration bitterness. The SNP policy is to actively encourage more immigration, and I support that. Our Pakistani community is well integrated already, and many play an active and welcome role in our body politic. To say racism doesn't exist in Scotland would be an absurdity, but it takes a long second place behind sectarianism.

Most people are only capable of so much hatred, and when you expend so much time detesting the dirty orange bastid/fenian bastid next door, you don't seem to mind your daughter being gang-banged .by a group of Nigerian dandies so much.

On the bright side, we might get some decent sprinters out of it.

[smokie36]

Funny...I've yet to see any NO campaign office....outside of Edinburgh that is where they are ensconced in Charlotte Square I'm told....good location that....plenty of Oyster bars and fine wine nearby....

This page certainly suggests that they have local offices, though as I haven't been to Scotland since before the campaign started I cannot say where they are.

Volunteer at my local Campaign Office (Data entry, stuff envelopes, telephone canvassing etc)

Make telephone calls from my local office

etc.

Maybe you should get out and about a bit more.

If you come to visit Scotland after the election 7by7 I will lend you a hoodie to keep warm...and a mug to drink your tea!

http://shop.yesscotland.net/

[smokie36]

The logistics of proving who was eligible to vote from the diaspora was the telling factor. It would have required validation of millions of applications to vote from across the world. I agree with Salmond that it would have been an impossible task.

Anyone wishing to qualify to vote had plenty of time to return and register. Of all the arguments in this referendum, the pitiful wailing of Scots that couldn't be bothered relocating to their homeland is the most absurd.

On the subject of voting rights, who on this thread has the right to vote?

I do...and I will be in Scotland on the day to cast my YES vote.

[Pattszero]

Funny...I've yet to see any NO campaign office....outside of Edinburgh that is where they are ensconced in Charlotte Square I'm told....good location that....plenty of Oyster bars and fine wine nearby....

This page certainly suggests that they have local offices, though as I haven't been to Scotland since before the campaign started I cannot say where they are.

Volunteer at my local Campaign Office (Data entry, stuff envelopes, telephone canvassing etc)

Make telephone calls from my local office

etc.

Maybe you should get out and about a bit more.

If you come to visit Scotland after the election 7by7 I will lend you a hoodie to keep warm...and a mug to drink your tea!

http://shop.yesscotland.net/

Is 7x7 not Scottish? Why is he posting on this topic so much?

[wigantojapan]

There has never been a Uk NHS.

Two acts of parliament created the NHS in England(and Wales) and the NHS in Scotland. NI's assembly created their health service

. So there were 3 NHS bodies from the start and from 1969 when the NHS in Wales was created 4 NHS's

. So no UK NHS ever

In terms of treatment, if you have a very rare illness that requires specific specialised treatment that is only available in hospital in England then the same system that applies now will apply after independence.

That is NHS Scotland. will pay for the health care provided and you won't pay anything.

This only applies to treatment for rare condition where treatment is not available in Scotland.
The EHIC card wil operate as it does now.

There are many people with mental disorders who need specialist care in secure units only located in England and their parent health board picks up the bill for their care and treatment, etc.

In fact a similar practise happens between health boards within Scotland. For example nhs Lothian may buy care from NHS Borders if they cannot provide within their own health board. Simple, and no need for naysayers to make yet another mountain out of a molehill again.

Another question of course is why is there not the specialist units in Scotland in a better together UK?

[wigantojapan]

The logistics of proving who was eligible to vote from the diaspora was the telling factor. It would have required validation of millions of applications to vote from across the world. I agree with Salmond that it would have been an impossible task.

Anyone wishing to qualify to vote had plenty of time to return and register. Of all the arguments in this referendum, the pitiful wailing of Scots that couldn't be bothered relocating to their homeland is the most absurd.

On the subject of voting rights, who on this thread has the right to vote?

I do...and I will be in Scotland on the day to cast my YES vote.

Me too and if you need help in the edimbra area let me know

[wigantojapan]

http://baffiebox.wordpress.com/2014/05/29/vote-no-borders-astroturfing-the-evidence/ of course the no borders mob are grass root,,of course we all have 7000 quid to donate oops might do it again 10 mins later in these times of austerity

[wigantojapan]

http://baffiebox.wordpress.com/2014/05/29/vote-no-borders-astroturfing-the-evidence/

You've got your work cut out. I know a few Poles, africans, etc, scattered around the highlands and west coast. They're having such a wonderful life that they probably can't be bothered with voting

well give them the old Scottish hospitality and engage with them..dinnae live in the world of fear that has been since Thatcher ism where people are scared to say hello.and ask whats cooking haha...Has the church no said it would be against god and the universe or something along that lines and many Africans as we know are more christian than the white folks...

[Scott]

A post with messed up quotes has been deleted.

[wigantojapan]

In response to a poster who insists there is a UK NHS and of course for others who do not know that THERE IS NOT A UK NHS

[wigantojapan]

Is 7x7 not Scottish? Why is he posting on this topic so much?

He has a love of Scotland and he alone can only inform the people of Scotland of the disadvantages of a yes vote...He has mentioned that there are advantages but as such he has not provided any to the uninformed..

[smokie36]

Is 7x7 not Scottish? Why is he posting on this topic so much?

He has a love of Scotland and he alone can only inform the people of Scotland of the disadvantages of a yes vote...He has mentioned that there are advantages but as such he has not provided any to the uninformed..

They will be fully explained at the offices of the no vote campaign....if you can find any of them that is.

Seems they forgot all the voters are not in the Home Counties.

[wigantojapan]

https://www.facebook.com/SocialistIndependence/photos/a.285377571506163.66128.282775595099694/734047149972534/?type=1&relevant_count=1

Demonstration outside BBC news and yes they have censored the news ..no reporting of it at all .

[jpinx]

https://www.facebook.com/SocialistIndependence/photos/a.285377571506163.66128.282775595099694/734047149972534/?type=1&relevant_count=1

Demonstration outside BBC news and yes they have censored the news ..no reporting of it at all .

.... and no army in sight

[wigantojapan]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204308546093206&set=gm.633362370087959&type=1

aye the irony a DIY company saying Scotland can no DIY lords and ?

[wigantojapan]

Better together just dont tell them

http://fw.to/StUpjoE

West coast oil boom was blocked by MoD

[smokie36]

Better together just dont tell them

http://fw.to/StUpjoE

West coast oil boom was blocked by MoD

When you consider the rate of unemployment in Scotland throughout the late 80's it truly is shocking this decision.

Just another reason to vote for self determination....let us Scots decide what is best for Scotland...not a bunch of Tories we would never vote for!