PM reiterates call for end of protests

[Lite Beer]

PM reiterates call for end of protests

BANGKOK: -- Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra today reiterated her all for anti-government protesters to end the protests and sit for talks.

She made the call after she and the interior minister Charupong Ruangsuwan survived the no-confidence vote in the House of Representatives with 297 votes in favor against 134, and 296 in favor against 135 for the minister.

Yingluck said that she would like to see peace and order returned to the country as the ongoing protests which now is spreading to the provinces have caused trouble to the people.

She said the protest should end for the sake of the country so that talk could begin.

She also stressed not to resort to police force to end the protest, saying her government would only resolve the problems through peaceful means.

She said that she did not how to do now when protesters also opposing dissolution of parliament to have new election, adding the best alternative now was to meet face to face and resolve all the differences.

She said she was ready to accept and listen to all their problems.

Yingluck also said she wanted to talk to opposition leader Abhisit Vejjajiva to discuss the reform of the country as the protesters are demanding.

But she said any reform or the proposed People Council needed to be discussed as there need to make changes to many laws.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/pm-reiterates-call-end-protests/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=pm-reiterates-call-end-protests

--Thai PBS 2013-11-28

[Artisi]

Of course she doesn't want the police to use force, probably for 2 reasons, 1. they may not comply with her request and 2. if there is force used it might bring much bigger fish into play.

Yes, Abhisit should consider joining in talks, however he needs to lay it very clearly on the line what is acceptable and what is not and ensure that immediate changes needed are addressed and implemented, not when the fugitive mulls it over and either rejects it or kindly condescends to give his blessings.

[Nickymaster]

But she said any reform or the proposed People Council needed to be discussed as there need to make changes to many laws.

Since PT is expert in this, it shouldn't be a major issue.

[Rob8891]

What is that strong whiff emanating from Poo? Could it be.......desperation?

[TVGerry]

So that's it? Nothing concrete offered? Just an offer to talk more. Yingluck being her usual useless self.

[JRSoul]

As a show of faith she could send a formal request to Dubai to arrest her brother pending extradition.

[Katipo]

"Yingluck said that she would like to see peace and order returned to the country as the ongoing protests which now is spreading to the provinces have caused trouble to the people."

The biggest trouble to the people, and Thailand in general, is the current administration.

[jonclark]

I don't think she actually knows what to do.

People just don't trust her and that's her biggest issue. How can she win the trust back from the millions of people who once trusted her. Trust hard to gain, but easy to loose.

If she dissolves the government, people won't vote for her in the numbers they once did as they don't trust her. And that is her dilemma. If she was rock solid sure of their vote, i have no doubt a date would already have been set for house dissolution.

Her only option is the one we see here. To hobble on and hope for either a miracle, mercy or a sudden bout of mass amnesia.

If the Dems resign en mass, and the protesters remain in charge of the ministries, the country effectively becomes ungovernable.

She is on a very sticky wicket.

[spirit47]

The courts have to push away all of them from Government. The Government can't be lead by a fled criminal, and the facts are clear, he do it. The fish stinks at his head first, what a smell...

[huanga]

Of course she doesn't want the police to use force, probably for 2 reasons, 1. they may not comply with her request and 2. if there is force used it might bring much bigger fish into play.

Yes, Abhisit should consider joining in talks, however he needs to lay it very clearly on the line what is acceptable and what is not and ensure that immediate changes needed are addressed and implemented, not when the fugitive mulls it over and either rejects it or kindly condescends to give his blessings.

It's all like deja vu now. Abhisit and Suthep went down the same road to try to end the Red Shirts' protest (peace talk, calling for new election, etc.), same as what YL is doing now. And we all know how that turned out. Suthep is obviously waiting for the spark that will lead to violence & conflict, same as what the Red Shirt was doing. They want blood on YL's hand just the same as what the Red Shirts did with Abhisit and Suthep.

However, can Suthep get enough backing as what the Red Shirts got will be the question. Can enough of his boys from the South come to Bangkok to wreak havoc? If they do come in droves, will it be "Bangkok Inferno II" revisited?

The lesson here is Thais Don't Forget & Don't Forgive! Reform is what's at their mouth but power is what's at their heart!

[Jingthing]

Talk about what? She steps down or she doesn't.

[Crushdepth]

Of course she doesn't want the police to use force, probably for 2 reasons, 1. they may not comply with her request and 2. if there is force used it might bring much bigger fish into play.

Yes, Abhisit should consider joining in talks, however he needs to lay it very clearly on the line what is acceptable and what is not and ensure that immediate changes needed are addressed and implemented, not when the fugitive mulls it over and either rejects it or kindly condescends to give his blessings.

It's all like deja vu now. Abhisit and Suthep went down the same road to try to end the Red Shirts' protest (peace talk, calling for new election, etc.), same as what YL is doing now. And we all know how that turned out. Suthep is obviously waiting for the spark that will lead to violence & conflict, same as what the Red Shirt was doing. They want blood on YL's hand just the same as what the Red Shirts did with Abhisit and Suthep.

However, can Suthep get enough backing as what the Red Shirts got will be the question. Can enough of his boys from the South come to Bangkok to wreak havoc? If they do come in droves, will it be "Bangkok Inferno II" revisited?

The lesson here is Thais Don't Forget & Don't Forgive! Reform is what's at their mouth but power is what's at their heart!

All that is missing is some armed 'men in black' provocateurs to force an armed response from the government, thereby destabilising it.

It's 2010 waiting to happen all over again.

[Artisi]

Of course she doesn't want the police to use force,  probably for 2 reasons, 1. they may not comply with her request and 2. if there is force used it might bring much bigger fish into play.

 

Yes, Abhisit should consider joining in talks, however he needs to lay it very clearly on the line what is acceptable and what is not and ensure that immediate changes needed are addressed and implemented, not when the fugitive mulls it over and either rejects it or kindly condescends to give his blessings.

 

It's all like deja vu now. Abhisit and Suthep went down the same road to try to end the Red Shirts' protest (peace talk, calling for new election, etc.), same as what YL is doing now. And we all know how that turned out. Suthep is obviously waiting for the spark that will lead to violence & conflict, same as what the Red Shirt was doing. They want blood on YL's hand just the same as what the Red Shirts did with Abhisit and Suthep.

 

However, can Suthep get enough backing as what the Red Shirts got will be the question. Can enough of his boys from the South come to Bangkok to wreak havoc? If they do come in droves, will it be "Bangkok Inferno II" revisited?

 

The lesson here is Thais Don't Forget & Don't Forgive! Reform is what's at their mouth but power is what's at their heart!

Not too sure if Suthep really wants violence, think he might be smart enough to know that won't fix the problem. More likely pushing the point until the country becomes completely unmanageable and a higher power intervenes or else the likes of Jutaporn gets the nod to start causing real havoc, either way same end result.

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[huanga]

Of course she doesn't want the police to use force, probably for 2 reasons, 1. they may not comply with her request and 2. if there is force used it might bring much bigger fish into play.

Yes, Abhisit should consider joining in talks, however he needs to lay it very clearly on the line what is acceptable and what is not and ensure that immediate changes needed are addressed and implemented, not when the fugitive mulls it over and either rejects it or kindly condescends to give his blessings.

It's all like deja vu now. Abhisit and Suthep went down the same road to try to end the Red Shirts' protest (peace talk, calling for new election, etc.), same as what YL is doing now. And we all know how that turned out. Suthep is obviously waiting for the spark that will lead to violence & conflict, same as what the Red Shirt was doing. They want blood on YL's hand just the same as what the Red Shirts did with Abhisit and Suthep.

However, can Suthep get enough backing as what the Red Shirts got will be the question. Can enough of his boys from the South come to Bangkok to wreak havoc? If they do come in droves, will it be "Bangkok Inferno II" revisited?

The lesson here is Thais Don't Forget & Don't Forgive! Reform is what's at their mouth but power is what's at their heart!

Not too sure if Suthep really wants violence, think he might be smart enough to know that won't fix the problem. More likely pushing the point until the country becomes completely unmanageable and a higher power intervenes or else the likes of Jutaporn gets the nod to start causing real havoc, either way same end result.

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Do you think Suthep really wants to fix the problem? Red Shirts also protested peacefully in the beginning until some spark got ignited. Abhisit wanted to negotiate and see how far that got? Red shirt just got under the then government's skin so they have no other option than to disperse the protesters. See the similarity?

If anyone with common sense really wants what's good for Thailand and her people, do you think this is the correct tactic? I am also not siding with the current government because we all know that's another 'puppet or muppet show" in itself.So back to it, it's all about revenge and power shift!

[tingtongteesood]

If there is violence then it will be started by the Reds and when they do so the PT regime will end....

[hellodolly]

But she said any reform or the proposed People Council needed to be discussed as there need to make changes to many laws.

Since PT is expert in this, it shouldn't be a major issue.

She should have been talking about the changes needed to be made rather than wasting Thailand's time trying to white wash her brother. In a round about way she is saying she has been ignoring her duty for over two years and now that she see's Thailand wants her to do her duty she is willing to talk about it.

She talks a lot.

Maybe she should listen to her self she asked for 6 months several times and got it. All she did with it was further entrench the corruption.

"Yingluck said that she would like to see peace and order returned to the country as the ongoing protests which now is spreading to the provinces have caused trouble to the people."

The biggest trouble to the people, and Thailand in general, is the current administration.

If peace and order was what she wanted why did she permit the in your face corruption. When it was obvious that the country was wise to her attempt to white wash her brother rather than do her PM job why did she not act then.

Instead she tried to push her way down the throat of people she knew did not want it.

Of course she doesn't want the police to use force, probably for 2 reasons, 1. they may not comply with her request and 2. if there is force used it might bring much bigger fish into play.

Yes, Abhisit should consider joining in talks, however he needs to lay it very clearly on the line what is acceptable and what is not and ensure that immediate changes needed are addressed and implemented, not when the fugitive mulls it over and either rejects it or kindly condescends to give his blessings.

It's all like deja vu now. Abhisit and Suthep went down the same road to try to end the Red Shirts' protest (peace talk, calling for new election, etc.), same as what YL is doing now. And we all know how that turned out. Suthep is obviously waiting for the spark that will lead to violence & conflict, same as what the Red Shirt was doing. They want blood on YL's hand just the same as what the Red Shirts did with Abhisit and Suthep.

However, can Suthep get enough backing as what the Red Shirts got will be the question. Can enough of his boys from the South come to Bangkok to wreak havoc? If they do come in droves, will it be "Bangkok Inferno II" revisited?

The lesson here is Thais Don't Forget & Don't Forgive! Reform is what's at their mouth but power is what's at their heart!

Abhist and Suthep tried to end it with peace talks after they had been attacked by armed terrorists. They negotiated in good faith came to terms with the terrorists twice only to have the terrorists back out of both agreements.

Not even close to today's situation. I would be greatly surprised if Suthep called for armed violence.

[Bpuumike]

I don't think she actually knows what to do.

People just don't trust her and that's her biggest issue. How can she win the trust back from the millions of people who once trusted her. Trust hard to gain, but easy to loose.

If she dissolves the government, people won't vote for her in the numbers they once did as they don't trust her. And that is her dilemma. If she was rock solid sure of their vote, i have no doubt a date would already have been set for house dissolution.

Her only option is the one we see here. To hobble on and hope for either a miracle, mercy or a sudden bout of mass amnesia.

If the Dems resign en mass, and the protesters remain in charge of the ministries, the country effectively becomes ungovernable.

She is on a very sticky wicket.

Just hang in there till you get your share of the 2 trill loan

[huanga]

Quote (Hellodolly)

Not even close to today's situation. I would be greatly surprised if Suthep called for armed violence.

Suthep is not going to call for armed violence now. He will lose support right away. He is merely looking for a confrontational spark, and that spark can come from:

1.get under the current government's skin so much that they will have no choice but to send police to forcefully disperse the crowd.

2.create a total impasse so the army can come out

3.a "third" element that might stoke more fire for violence

4.confrontation between Red Shirt protesters and anti-government protesters

But once that spark is lit and innocent lives lost, he will have justification to retaliate. Of course the script is not exactly the same as what the Red Shirt did back then, but the plot and ultimate goal are eerily similar. Get under the skin of the government enough so that innocent blood will be spilled and this time, on YL's hand. This, Suthep hopes, will lead to power shift and "get even".

All this is circus politics, just look back with PAD's occupation of Airport, then the Red Shirt's CBD siege. to Suthep's ocuupation of government's agencies. it's about getting even and not about progressing Thailand. YL is calling for peace talk and you can see Dem. and Suthep turning it down, same as before when Abhisit offered it to the Red Shirt. If either side is sincere about progressing Thailand, they should agree to get a third party to mediate the conflicts. But the mentality is definitely, an eye for an eye and there is got be a complete winner or else. And all under the name of "democracy or rather majority rules" for the Red Shirt and " I know what's best for this country BECAUSE we are rich and elite and we know better" for the camp of Dem. and the Yellow Shirt.

Completely sick of this circus, aren't you?

Edited November 29, 2013 by huanga

[JRSoul]

It would seem there are many people protesting that are not "rich and elite and we know better" but ordinary working Thais angry that their taxes are being used to buy votes from "the majority" with wasteful subsidies. They would like their tax money spent on improving the country and not see hundreds of billions wasted propping up inefficient industries and stolen by middlemen and politicians.

[huanga]

It would seem there are many people protesting that are not "rich and elite and we know better" but ordinary working Thais angry that their taxes are being used to buy votes from "the majority" with wasteful subsidies. They would like their tax money spent on improving the country and not see hundreds of billions wasted propping up inefficient industries and stolen by middlemen and politicians.

The "working THAI" that you described fit the bill already. It's the middle class (now growing more than ever before), rich and elite versus the dirt poor of Thailand. Of course, as we all know, the dirt poor is being manipulated by you-know-who for his personal gain. The crumbs are then get divvied out through the populist policy. However, even with the crumbs, this is the most ever that these poor have gotten, EVER! The old Dem. have always kept a very tight elite circle and benefit only this circle. I mean, if you are the "have" do you really want to create opportunity for the "have-not"? That would mean no more maid(s) in the house and start washing clothes by yourself! OMG! And then came a divisive figure who saw this opportunity for manipulation to his own personal gain...and the Dem is crying foul???

The poor Thai should have more voice in the society (unless you firmly believe in social class: hiso vs loso). But sadly in this case, they have picked a wrong person in "Toxin" to represent their plight. All politicians in this country (well, 99.9% of them) are crooks, no matter if you are PT or Dem or Bhumjai Tha etc. Everyone is out for his own personal gain, given the opportunity. Every Thai understands the corruption that comes with their politicians (red, yellow, blue, pink or whatever color they are, personally I would not use color to describe them but rather animals names - snake, buffalo, alligators, leopard, etc.) They have come to accept the corruption as part of the norm in their politics. It's all comes down to - we know there will be corruption, but if we can benefit somehow from their campaign policy...it's never about electing a charismatic politician (there is none in this country) who is willing to effect changes to progress this country. It's always about electing lesser stinky of the two shits. So with this said, how can this country move forward?

If people are really serious about progress, reform, and a better Thailand, start with super harsh penalty for corruption, same as their harsh penalty for drug smuggling. Then you move on to education so everyone is more informed. (this is the internet age, no?) Then they will understand the difference and meaning of democracy or demockery or Thaimocracy. As far as I see it, I don't have faith in any of their politician at this time.

If Thais are angry about their tax money being wasted, the revolt would have happened long, long time ago. It's not about the tax money wasted ( it's been wasted and still wasting since the inception of the dirty politics) but it's about choosing which "animal feces"?

[huanga]

It would seem there are many people protesting that are not "rich and elite and we know better" but ordinary working Thais angry that their taxes are being used to buy votes from "the majority" with wasteful subsidies. They would like their tax money spent on improving the country and not see hundreds of billions wasted propping up inefficient industries and stolen by middlemen and politicians.

The "working THAI" that you described fit the bill already. It's the middle class (now growing more than ever before), rich and elite versus the dirt poor of Thailand. Of course, as we all know, the dirt poor is being manipulated by you-know-who for his personal gain. The crumbs are then get divvied out through the populist policy. However, even with the crumbs, this is the most ever that these poor have gotten, EVER! The old Dem. have always kept a very tight elite circle and benefit only this circle. I mean, if you are the "have" do you really want to create opportunity for the "have-not"? That would mean no more maid(s) in the house and start washing clothes by yourself! OMG! And then came a divisive figure who saw this opportunity for manipulation to his own personal gain...and the Dem is crying foul???

The poor Thai should have more voice in the society (unless you firmly believe in social class: hiso vs loso). But sadly in this case, they have picked a wrong person in "Toxin" to represent their plight. All politicians in this country (well, 99.9% of them) are crooks, no matter if you are PT or Dem or Bhumjai Tha etc. Everyone is out for his own personal gain, given the opportunity. Every Thai understands the corruption that comes with their politicians (red, yellow, blue, pink or whatever color they are, personally I would not use color to describe them but rather animals names - snake, buffalo, alligators, leopard, etc.) They have come to accept the corruption as part of the norm in their politics. It's all comes down to - we know there will be corruption, but if we can benefit somehow from their campaign policy...it's never about electing a charismatic politician (there is none in this country) who is willing to effect changes to progress this country. It's always about electing lesser stinky of the two shits. So with this said, how can this country move forward?

If people are really serious about progress, reform, and a better Thailand, start with super harsh penalty for corruption, same as their harsh penalty for drug smuggling. Then you move on to education so everyone is more informed. (this is the internet age, no?) Then they will understand the difference and meaning of democracy or demockery or Thaimocracy. As far as I see it, I don't have faith in any of their politician at this time.

If Thais are angry about their tax money being wasted, the revolt would have happened long, long time ago. It's not about the tax money wasted ( it's been wasted and still wasting since the inception of the dirty politics) but it's about choosing which "animal feces"?

[huanga]

It would seem there are many people protesting that are not "rich and elite and we know better" but ordinary working Thais angry that their taxes are being used to buy votes from "the majority" with wasteful subsidies. They would like their tax money spent on improving the country and not see hundreds of billions wasted propping up inefficient industries and stolen by middlemen and politicians.

The "working THAI" that you described fit the bill already. It's the middle class (now growing more than ever before), rich and elite versus the dirt poor of Thailand. Of course, as we all know, the dirt poor is being manipulated by you-know-who for his personal gain. The crumbs are then get divvied out through the populist policy. However, even with the crumbs, this is the most ever that these poor have gotten, EVER! The old Dem. have always kept a very tight elite circle and benefit only this circle. I mean, if you are the "have" do you really want to create opportunity for the "have-not"? That would mean no more maid(s) in the house and start washing clothes by yourself! OMG forbid!! And then came a divisive figure who saw this opportunity for manipulation to his own personal gain...and the Dem is crying foul???

The poor Thai should have more voice in the society (unless you firmly believe in social class: hiso vs loso). But sadly in this case, they have picked a wrong person in "Toxin" to represent their plight. All politicians in this country (well, 99.9% of them) are crooks, no matter if you are PT or Dem or Bhumjai Tha etc. Everyone is out for his own personal gain, given the opportunity. Every Thai understands the corruption that comes with their politicians (red, yellow, blue, pink or whatever color they are, personally I would not use color to describe them but rather animals names - snake, buffalo, alligators, leopard, etc.) They have come to accept the corruption as part of the norm in their politics. It's all comes down to - we know there will be corruption, but if we can benefit somehow from their campaign policy...it's never about electing a charismatic politician (there is none in this country) who is willing to effect changes to progress this country. It's always about electing lesser stinky of the two shits. So with this said, how can this country move forward?

If people are really serious about progress, reform, and a better Thailand, start with super harsh penalty for corruption, same as their harsh penalty for drug smuggling. Then you move on to education so everyone is more informed. (this is the internet age, no?) Then they will understand the difference and meaning of democracy or demockery or Thaimocracy. As far as I see it, I don't have faith in any of their politician at this time.

If Thais are angry about their tax money being wasted, the revolt would have happened long, long time ago. It's not about the tax money wasted ( it's been wasted and still wasting since the inception of the dirty politics) but it's about choosing which "animal feces"?

[ratcatcher]

It would seem there are many people protesting that are not "rich and elite and we know better" but ordinary working Thais angry that their taxes are being used to buy votes from "the majority" with wasteful subsidies. They would like their tax money spent on improving the country and not see hundreds of billions wasted propping up inefficient industries and stolen by middlemen and politicians.

The "working THAI" that you described fit the bill already. It's the middle class (now growing more than ever before), rich and elite versus the dirt poor of Thailand. Of course, as we all know, the dirt poor is being manipulated by you-know-who for his personal gain. The crumbs are then get divvied out through the populist policy. However, even with the crumbs, this is the most ever that these poor have gotten, EVER! The old Dem. have always kept a very tight elite circle and benefit only this circle. I mean, if you are the "have" do you really want to create opportunity for the "have-not"? That would mean no more maid(s) in the house and start washing clothes by yourself! OMG forbid!! And then came a divisive figure who saw this opportunity for manipulation to his own personal gain...and the Dem is crying foul???

The poor Thai should have more voice in the society (unless you firmly believe in social class: hiso vs loso). But sadly in this case, they have picked a wrong person in "Toxin" to represent their plight. All politicians in this country (well, 99.9% of them) are crooks, no matter if you are PT or Dem or Bhumjai Tha etc. Everyone is out for his own personal gain, given the opportunity. Every Thai understands the corruption that comes with their politicians (red, yellow, blue, pink or whatever color they are, personally I would not use color to describe them but rather animals names - snake, buffalo, alligators, leopard, etc.) They have come to accept the corruption as part of the norm in their politics. It's all comes down to - we know there will be corruption, but if we can benefit somehow from their campaign policy...it's never about electing a charismatic politician (there is none in this country) who is willing to effect changes to progress this country. It's always about electing lesser stinky of the two shits. So with this said, how can this country move forward?

If people are really serious about progress, reform, and a better Thailand, start with super harsh penalty for corruption, same as their harsh penalty for drug smuggling. Then you move on to education so everyone is more informed. (this is the internet age, no?) Then they will understand the difference and meaning of democracy or demockery or Thaimocracy. As far as I see it, I don't have faith in any of their politician at this time.

If Thais are angry about their tax money being wasted, the revolt would have happened long, long time ago. It's not about the tax money wasted ( it's been wasted and still wasting since the inception of the dirty politics) but it's about choosing which "animal feces"?

huanga good post---- thank you three times na ka