Learn a lesson from Mandela, Thai pacifists urge

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Learn a lesson from Mandela, pacifists urge
The Nation



BANGKOK: -- Gen Ekkachai Srivilas, director of the Office of Peace and Governance at King Prajadhipok's Institute said Nelson Mandela's death should serve as a reminder for Thai people to think about losses and try to stop conflicts from going too far.

"Mandela's death at this time should serve as a reminder for Thais to wake up and think about the conflicts that caused so much loss in South Africa, and the patience and time it took for Mandela's peaceful fight to be successful," Ekkachai said.

Chaiwat Satha-Anand, a political scientist with Thammasat University and a prominent peace scholar, said Mandela was an ordinary man who managed to change society completely.

"Nobody is born hating another person because of the colour of his skin, his background or religion. Hatred is learned, and if people can learn to hate, they can also be taught to love, because love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite."

Opposition Leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said Mandela's death was "the world's loss" as he was a good example of those who fought for justice and boldly faced legal action.

"Historically, law has been violated many times for the sake of justice. These fights were legitimate and the law was not violated for personal interest," he said. "Those who broke the law had to be ready to face legal action, and [people] cannot claim that they are fighting for the public interest just so they can be above the law."

Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra said Mandela's death was the loss of a great advocate of peace.

"He is a symbol of the fight for democracy and human rights. He was a person who sacrificed for the public and was given the Nobel Peace Prize for offering reconciliation so the [south African] people could live together peacefully."


-- The Nation 2013-12-07

[cornishcarlos]

Not sure many of them know who Mandela was ?

[Siriam]

The majority of thai people do not even know who Madiba was... shame!

[Thailand]

As great a man as he turned out to be he was a founder member of the ANC's death squad.

[jaltsc]

Two entirely different situations. Mandela was fighting against his people being enslaved based on the color of their skin. In Thailand the fight is among factions who have the opportunity of being in power and are fighting for the bigger piece of the pie.

[mca]

As a whole bunch of people ask " which lakorn did he star in?"

[Nibbles48]

Pacifists urging people to follow a terrorist?

Many already are doing that here.

[Samaaw]

Most Thai's don't even know where South Africa is - let alone Mandela !

Mandela had a good vision and was a remarkable man - however his legacy and vision is not been carried forward in South Africa - it's a disaster country !!

[Soutpeel]

Could I humbly suggest the Thai pacifists Googl. "Umkhonto We Size"

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[jaffacakes1]

Hardly a role model for Thais..

Saint Mandela's charges in full..

• One count under the South African Suppression of Communism Act No. 44 of 1950, charging that the accused committed acts calculated to further the achievement of the objective of communism;

• One count of contravening the South African Criminal Law Act (1953), which prohibits any person from soliciting or receiving any money or articles for the purpose of achieving organized defiance of laws and country; and

• Two counts of sabotage, committing or aiding or procuring the commission of the following acts:

1) The further recruitment of persons for instruction and training, both within and outside the Republic of South Africa, in:

(a) the preparation, manufacture and use of explosives-for the purpose of committing acts of violence and destruction in the aforesaid Republic, (the preparation and manufacture of explosives, according to evidence submitted, included 210,000 hand grenades, 48,000 anti-personnel mines, 1,500 time devices, 144 tons of ammonium nitrate, 21.6 tons of aluminum powder and a ton of black powder);

( the art of warfare, including guerrilla warfare, and military training generally for the purpose in the aforesaid Republic;

(ii) Further acts of violence and destruction, (this includes 193 counts of terrorism committed between 1961 and 1963);

(iii) Acts of guerrilla warfare in the aforesaid Republic;

(iv) Acts of assistance to military units of foreign countries when involving the aforesaid Republic;

(v) Acts of participation in a violent revolution in the aforesaid Republic, whereby the accused, injured, damaged, destroyed, rendered useless or unserviceable, put out of action, obstructed, with or endangered:

(a) the health or safety of the public;

( the maintenance of law and order;

© the supply and distribution of light, power or fuel;

(d) postal, telephone or telegraph installations;

(e) the free movement of traffic on land; and

(f) the property, movable or immovable, of other persons or of the state.

Source: The State v. Nelson Mandela et al, Supreme Court of South Africa, Transvaal Provincial Division, 1963-1964, Indictment.

[jackrich]

The majority of thai people do not even know who Madiba was... shame!

Maybe all the illegal immigrants from Myanmar can teach them about Mandalay, though.

Same same, na.

Edited December 7, 2013 by jackrich

[Samaaw]

VIVA AMANDLA !! Anyone translate that to Thai?? lol

Had another good laugh when I read the phrase "Thai Pacifists"

[jackrich]

Hardly a role model for Thais..

Saint Mandela's charges in full..

One count under the South African Suppression of Communism Act No. 44 of 1950, charging that the accused committed acts calculated to further the achievement of the objective of communism;

One count of contravening the South African Criminal Law Act (1953), which prohibits any person from soliciting or receiving any money or articles for the purpose of achieving organized defiance of laws and country; and

Two counts of sabotage, committing or aiding or procuring the commission of the following acts:

1) The further recruitment of persons for instruction and training, both within and outside the Republic of South Africa, in:

(a) the preparation, manufacture and use of explosives-for the purpose of committing acts of violence and destruction in the aforesaid Republic, (the preparation and manufacture of explosives, according to evidence submitted, included 210,000 hand grenades, 48,000 anti-personnel mines, 1,500 time devices, 144 tons of ammonium nitrate, 21.6 tons of aluminum powder and a ton of black powder);

( the art of warfare, including guerrilla warfare, and military training generally for the purpose in the aforesaid Republic;

(ii) Further acts of violence and destruction, (this includes 193 counts of terrorism committed between 1961 and 1963);

(iii) Acts of guerrilla warfare in the aforesaid Republic;

(iv) Acts of assistance to military units of foreign countries when involving the aforesaid Republic;

(v) Acts of participation in a violent revolution in the aforesaid Republic, whereby the accused, injured, damaged, destroyed, rendered useless or unserviceable, put out of action, obstructed, with or endangered:

(a) the health or safety of the public;

( the maintenance of law and order;

© the supply and distribution of light, power or fuel;

(d) postal, telephone or telegraph installations;

(e) the free movement of traffic on land; and

(f) the property, movable or immovable, of other persons or of the state.

Source: The State v. Nelson Mandela et al, Supreme Court of South Africa, Transvaal Provincial Division, 1963-1964, Indictment.

Are you suggesting that Suthep will end up winning the Nobel Peace Prize?

[Samaaw]

Hardly a role model for Thais..

Saint Mandela's charges in full..

One count under the South African Suppression of Communism Act No. 44 of 1950, charging that the accused committed acts calculated to further the achievement of the objective of communism;

One count of contravening the South African Criminal Law Act (1953), which prohibits any person from soliciting or receiving any money or articles for the purpose of achieving organized defiance of laws and country; and

Two counts of sabotage, committing or aiding or procuring the commission of the following acts:

1) The further recruitment of persons for instruction and training, both within and outside the Republic of South Africa, in:

(a) the preparation, manufacture and use of explosives-for the purpose of committing acts of violence and destruction in the aforesaid Republic, (the preparation and manufacture of explosives, according to evidence submitted, included 210,000 hand grenades, 48,000 anti-personnel mines, 1,500 time devices, 144 tons of ammonium nitrate, 21.6 tons of aluminum powder and a ton of black powder);

( the art of warfare, including guerrilla warfare, and military training generally for the purpose in the aforesaid Republic;

(ii) Further acts of violence and destruction, (this includes 193 counts of terrorism committed between 1961 and 1963);

(iii) Acts of guerrilla warfare in the aforesaid Republic;

(iv) Acts of assistance to military units of foreign countries when involving the aforesaid Republic;

(v) Acts of participation in a violent revolution in the aforesaid Republic, whereby the accused, injured, damaged, destroyed, rendered useless or unserviceable, put out of action, obstructed, with or endangered:

(a) the health or safety of the public;

( the maintenance of law and order;

© the supply and distribution of light, power or fuel;

(d) postal, telephone or telegraph installations;

(e) the free movement of traffic on land; and

(f) the property, movable or immovable, of other persons or of the state.

Source: The State v. Nelson Mandela et al, Supreme Court of South Africa, Transvaal Provincial Division, 1963-1964, Indictment.

Are you suggesting that Suthep will end up winning the Nobel Peace Prize?

If Obama can win the Nobel Peace Prize - ANYONE CAN - Somethings still remain a mystery in this world...

[cornishcarlos]

The majority of thai people do not even know who Madiba was... shame!

That is what I said in the post directly before yours !!!

Or have you been in Thailand so long that you have become a copier too

[i claudius]

What learn a lesson from a man who was a terrorist ,married to a woman called Winnie who put flaming tyres around kids necks ,then he went on to be a millionaire ,sounds about right for thai politicians.

[Soutpeel]

Most Thai's don't even know where South Africa is - let alone Mandela !

 

Mandela had a good vision and was a remarkable man - however his legacy and vision is not been carried forward in South Africa - it's a disaster country !!

Everyone holds Mandela up as the man who solely changed SA, there was also another man standing next to mandela when they handed out the noble peace prize, without this man.s "vision"as well, which resulted in him being accused of betraying his own people, change in SA may not have happened either

What Thailand can learn from SA is that reconciliation can work, but the truth needs to come out first, which we know the ruling classes in Thailand will not want to happen

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[ginjag]

What learn a lesson from a man who was a terrorist ,married to a woman called Winnie who put flaming tyres around kids necks ,then he went on to be a millionaire ,sounds about right for thai politicians.

Winnie the POO.

Did anyone notice that replies to the genital disorder case had more replies than this Mandela topic. Was it that that had a sexual theme,?? sad anyway-just noticed that's all.

[Samaaw]

Most Thai's don't even know where South Africa is - let alone Mandela !

Mandela had a good vision and was a remarkable man - however his legacy and vision is not been carried forward in South Africa - it's a disaster country !!

Everyone holds Mandela up as the man who solely changed SA, there was also another man standing next to mandela when they handed out the noble peace prize, without this man.s "vision"as well, which resulted in him being accused of betraying his own people, change in SA may not have happened either

What Thailand can learn from SA is that reconciliation can work, but the truth needs to come out first, which we know the ruling classes in Thailand will not want to happen

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Quite agreed but it seems sad to think that South Africa has "forgotten" the "road forward" - As for Thailand - I cannot comment, I am just a farang here.

[noitom]

And the Thai leadership cited in this article haven't got a clue what Nelson Mandela's historical struggle, fight, and success was all about.

[JoeThePoster]

And the Thai leadership cited in this article haven't got a clue what Nelson Mandela's historical struggle, fight, and success was all about.

They're probably still wondering why Burma named a city after him.

[Samaaw]

And the Thai leadership cited in this article haven't got a clue what Nelson Mandela's historical struggle, fight, and success was all about.

Thailand has never been colonized - as a result (one of them) - is that they live in their little cocoons - they have no idea about if they riot in BKK then tourism will drop - economy will suffer - they don't see competition, they think only of Thailand (their little cocoon) - they have missed the big picture years ago !!

[belg]

they can learn something from him: put the whole sinawatra family in jail for 30 years

would be great for the country

[Samaaw]

And the Thai leadership cited in this article haven't got a clue what Nelson Mandela's historical struggle, fight, and success was all about.

They're probably still wondering why Burma named a city after him.

They havnt a clue where Burma is - they only heard of Myanmar - shame

[noitom]

Most Thai's don't even know where South Africa is - let alone Mandela !

Mandela had a good vision and was a remarkable man - however his legacy and vision is not been carried forward in South Africa - it's a disaster country !!

Everyone holds Mandela up as the man who solely changed SA, there was also another man standing next to mandela when they handed out the noble peace prize, without this man.s "vision"as well, which resulted in him being accused of betraying his own people, change in SA may not have happened either

What Thailand can learn from SA is that reconciliation can work, but the truth needs to come out first, which we know the ruling classes in Thailand will not want to happen

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Quite agreed but it seems sad to think that South Africa has "forgotten" the "road forward" - As for Thailand - I cannot comment, I am just a farang here.

Good point. Mandela was able to elevate the truth through MK Okhonto Sizwe activity first and revolution not pacifism. Gandhi, on the other hand, was a strategic pacifist who saw the big picture first. Thais cited in these articles have little or no knowledge of the historical aspects of Mandela, Ghandi, or any other true leader.

[MikeENZ]

So they should start necklacing political opponents?

[steveyinasia]

Thai politics is never about helping the people, its all about seizing the power and the money. Until that attitude changes, Thai politicians can never be compared to any other selfless human.

[maximillian]

As great a man as he turned out to be he was a founder member of the ANC's death squad.

Death squad ? BS.

They hadn't been targeting people. They sabotaged infrastructure. They fought against a terrible regime.

Or should I say, they fought against a terrorist regime.

Would have saved thousands of lives if the US, GB, France and other global players had supported the ANC

instead of the apartheid regime.

[DocN]

Mandela a terrorist? Because he was fighting Apartheid?

So you call the Jewish Resistance in WW2 Germany terrorists, too!?

[Somtamnication]

More like they are following DeKlerk, not Mandela.