Lawyer calls for Chalerm to be arrested

[rametindallas]

With all these arrest warrants that the court had issued and none of them have been enforced goes to show that the justice system in Thailand is nothing but just a show of force. It has no legal merit and carries no consequences; other than serving as a pleasing tool for whoever pays enough money to the court to issue out such orders. What a joke in the justice system in Thailand.

I think you, like most reporters, are confused. Most of the arrest warrants issued by CMPO have been disallowed by the courts.

[xminator]

Could we please arrange for Suthep and Chalerm to share a cell for at least an hour? Make sure there are cameras rolling! I want to see Suthep kick his ass!

Do you really think the little poff of hot air would stand a chance against Chalerm?

[rametindallas]

What does this mean?

Worse than Yoda

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I dodn't know what planet F b comes from, but it sure as hell isn't planet earth

Judging by his handle he comes from the Frisian Islands - indeed "Top Frisian". And that really is like another planet!

My goal in this post is to take every view in this cited post into consideration:

1. The only thing I see wrong with F b's statement gramatically is that it could have been perhaps made more clear with a comma, whereas even that is debatable

2. I find the comment that acts as if the meaning is unclear based on an arguably non-errant comma to be ridiculous (you knew what was meant, come on, the first post meant that the only time the court seems to take action is when a member of the PDRC comes crying about unfair action on the side of the govt. and/or red shirts....you knew that was meant, but instead of addressing it you decided to make it seem as if this was a sentence that you simply could not fathom.....do you think the court is so righteous in Thailand? Go back in its history and look at its decisions regarding constitiutions, human rights, whatever, there are contradictions all over the place, and even many members of the PDRC admit this...I am not saying you do/do not know this but I am baffled by the way in which people use an heir of "I simply don't understand what you could possibly mean here" to conceal contempt for a side they cannot side with. Before you start attacking my side: Thaksin is a tool but so is Suthep and it is not as if he delivered or would deliver on any promises guaranteed before past or any future office terms........it is all a joke...and for the people saying: I just want Thailand to get back to business as usual...seriously people, look at the history of the LOS over the past eighty years and you will notice that THIS IS, except for perhaps the influence from a before pretty-much voiceless demographic, business as usual.......coups, installed govts, new consitutions, it's all part of the game that is "Thai-style Democracy"..this is not bashin against Thailand by any means but rather those who try to validate the term "Thai-style democracy" without any real declaration of what that means or, if they do, how it is potentially problematic in terms of the way it is set up

3. He is from the Frisian Islands? I personally saw his username to Fryslan, not Frisian, but maybe you do know something there that I don't. Either way, I think it is rather radical, violent and vulgar to antagonize someone 1) by making a joke about them....we are not teenagers, so why would it make sense or be considered not a cruel and insensitive gesture towards people sharing what seems to be a public community...in fact I consider this comment to be perhaps considered hate speech against the "margins"...not to place the Frisian Islands in the margins by choice but because they are insinuated as being a place that produces individuals that may as be from another planet their view is so "off" ? 2) by showing how inferior their country/region/administrative district is based on....what? the supremacy of the enlightened citizens of your country? and 3) by acting as if this person's ideas are so far from any fathomable thought structure in this world, even though you probably know about the protests in 2010...and seriously figure out what you mean by populism before you spout off about it or at least read about the activities during the Dem's during the 80's and then tell me what you mean by populist again and why Thaksin is so much worse or why Suthep is so much better......

I just don't get it....I'm not saying I'm that knowledgable on this, but it is pretty clear that both warring sides are invested in their own elite status, and that one party favors a certain two/three regions while the other does the same with the other regions...I know that's oversimplified..please, someone, make it more complicated, I don't understand how people seriously get a rise out of deriding the opinions of other individuals as if they were not human beings or have no right to speak based on their difference of perspective/opinion.....

I know you all think Thaksin sux......ok not all of you, but I'd say most, and rightfully so, you either hate him for Shincorp and the satellite thing, tax evasion, anti-chronyism in the name of higher your friends (who may have actually been more active than their formers but nevertheless seem to have been installed based on neo-chronyism with "qualificiations" used as legitmacy in some cases, or you hate him for the irresponsible drug war that he led (though, come on, lets be real here, many many Thais supported this "war") .....but someone please, without spending the first 95 per cent of your message writing about what a s***hole Thaksin is, please tell me, what is Suthep going to bring the country....answers I don't find acceptable without further explanation are:

1) because he will get rid of Thaksin.....Thaksin doesn't live in Thailand, and what makes you think Suthep in power will stop Thaksin's influence?

2) because he is for decentralization....how does that make sense...that would mean ELECTING local leaders, which would then mean a contradictory situation....country's leaders are royally appointed while those leaders at the state and smaller levels are elected....why do you really think that is less of an empty promise than the 30 baht program (once again, do not tell me about how shitty that was.......yes, doctors' quit public hospice centers to work in international hospitals with better pay ,so many of those covered under the program were no longer covered once diagnosed with chronic illness, due to lack of stuff....there were also some good sides but I am tired of people arguing FOR Suthep in NEGATIVES against Thaksin, so I am trying to make it clear what I am asking here as much as possible

3) because he is more morally righteous than any other leader.......what makes you think that? and "standing up for his rights" or "what he believes in" is not an option....it is simply to reduced....he has interests...he had them before 2013, so an explanation here is necessary as to why ANYONE should trust him as a leader......this is NOTTTTT the time of Naresuan, and Naresuan didn't really even understand the concepts of "kuu chat" that are applied to him today, so what is it that makes Suthep worth trusting (again, please, do not answer with, "he's better than Thaksin"

if we have to choose between a lesser of evils, and if my choice doesn't matter, then why even choose....but people continue to choose, and for that I believe they deserve at least some respect

If you think 500 Baht guarantees the vote for every Thaksin support, check the data out on that, it is mixed, as is that data regarding vote-buying practices of the Democrats

Both sides drive things far beyond their actual measure, and the fact that people who don't really have much of an idea about it or even those who do ( I do not know the knowledge level about this topic of those posters to which I am referring) find it necessary to degrade others in order to snicker with those who agree with them is just plain nasty.

Sorry, I wanted to be objective, but I was just so offended for the blatant disregard for courtesy towards other views (yea, I'm not being courtoeus to yours, because you don't seem to want to play on that field......bleh, fine)

I hope this is intelligible for those of you who like to play the card mentioned above about "I don't know what you mean (seriously,.c'mon I teach German I know what so-called Yoda speak is, and that, sir/madam, was no Yoda speak)"

I really don't want to pick fights, I want to argue, discuss, and expand on ideas, I hope that is clear to any who wishes to respond...if you just come back with insults, I won't respond, don't waste your times....insults imbedded in criticism aimed directlly at the content here, tho, is very much welcomed

Thank you for reading.

And do not mind the messy spelling or punctuation, I am in Germany and have German spell-check on so all words, or most, are marked as incorrect so I may have missed some typos

Have a good one Thaivisa

A suggestion: Life is too short and this thread is too long for me to read you entire post; I gave up half-way through. The suggestion is that you get to the point as quickly as possible and make your point as succinctly as possible. Also, stop apologizing and making excuses for your writing; it just adds to the clutter. Thank you and I look forward to reading your future, shortened posts.

Edited March 8, 2014 by rametindallas

[PepperMe]

Can you be arrested for deporting foreigners for doing something they were told not to do?

The place is a circus and no wonder it is never going to move forward.

Yes you can be arrested for it. You ignore a court ruling then you can be arrested and put in prison for contempt of court.

The court specifically stated that the deportation was illegal.

[jalansanitwong]

The nickel and dime lawyer better watch out . Chalerm will issue a real arrest warrant for dopey.

Who in their right mind would even entertain the idea of actually arresting Chalerm ?

Did anyone else on this forum see Chalerm as he marched past all the cops at the airport and hugged his fugitive son Duangchalerm?

No one dared touch his son. You dont mess with the big boss of west Bangkok. Everyone loves him.

[Deez]

Thailand has only become what the people have allowed it to become

Only the will of the people can see a better Thailand

Lets just hope that after all this government has done that the Thai people will not want to attend the circus any more and it time to return to work

It is not what the government has done, it is what idiots like this deported Indian has done. As a non citizen he chose to break the law and he now faces the consequences for his actions.

Very deserving, while the care taker government is only doing their job of enforcing the laws of the land.

Not allowing him to live in the country and not observe the law as it applies to all Farangs.

Cheers

"while the care taker government is only doing their job of enforcing the laws of the land. " LOL….Best laugh I have had in a while

[chainarong]

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Thailand has only become what the people have allowed it to become

Only the will of the people can see a better Thailand

Lets just hope that after all this government has done that the Thai people will not want to attend the circus any more and it time to return to work

It is not what the government has done, it is what idiots like this deported Indian has done. As a non citizen he chose to break the law and he now faces the consequences for his actions.

Very deserving, while the care taker government is only doing their job of enforcing the laws of the land.

Not allowing him to live in the country and not observe the law as it applies to all Farangs.

Cheers

Chainarong, Kikoman, for what it's worth - and I am not making a political point here - 'Farang' does not mean 'foreigner' but white Caucasian. If you don't believe me, ask any Thai.

You are right ,couldn't be bothered putting in Foreigner, my spell checkwer works overtime

[GATHER]

Can you be arrested for deporting foreigners for doing something they were told not to do?

The place is a circus and no wonder it is never going to move forward.

Then you should be deported as well for siding with RED SHIRTS , and the corrupt government of Yingluck .

[Goat Roper]

Can you be arrested for deporting foreigners for doing something they were told not to do?

The place is a circus and no wonder it is never going to move forward.

Then you should be deported as well for siding with RED SHIRTS , and the corrupt government of Yingluck .

Chalerm broke the law! There is a lawful procedure for deporting foreigners and he did not follow that law.

[Mudcrab]

The nickel and dime lawyer better watch out . Chalerm will issue a real arrest warrant for dopey.

Who in their right mind would even entertain the idea of actually arresting Chalerm ?

Did anyone else on this forum see Chalerm as he marched past all the cops at the airport and hugged his fugitive (alleged cop killer) son Duangchalerm?

No one dared touch his son. You dont mess with the big boss of west Bangkok. Everyone loves him.

They will never find him, let alone arrest him with that cunning moustache and glasses disguise. Then again they could follow the trail of empty bottles........

[Mudcrab]

"The court has accepted Wanthongchai's petition..."

Can anyone recall where that was not the case, when a PAD-Dem guy comes running?

What does this mean?

Worse than Yoda

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I dodn't know what planet F b comes from, but it sure as hell isn't planet earth

Mars....the Red planet

[chooka]

Can you be arrested for deporting foreigners for doing something they were told not to do?

The place is a circus and no wonder it is never going to move forward.

Then you should be deported as well for siding with RED SHIRTS , and the corrupt government of Yingluck .

Please point out where in my post I am siding with or supporting the redshirts. I simply asked a questions and made no comment that would have me siding with either side.

[kcore]

Can you be arrested for deporting foreigners for doing something they were told not to do?

The place is a circus and no wonder it is never going to move forward.

Do you really want it to? I like it just the way it is. Great entertainment value!

[rubl]

"The court has accepted Wanthongchai's petition..."

Can anyone recall where that was not the case, when a PAD-Dem guy comes running?

Can anyone recall where that was not the case, when a UDD, red-shirt, Pheu Thai guy comes running?

Not that it really matters, the court would normally accept most petiotions. After having looked through them they may or may not decide to hand it back.

[almafudd]

Thailand has only become what the people have allowed it to become

Only the will of the people can see a better Thailand

Lets just hope that after all this government has done that the Thai people will not want to attend the circus any more and it time to return to work

It is not what the government has done, it is what idiots like this deported Indian has done. As a non citizen he chose to break the law and he now faces the consequences for his actions.

Very deserving, while the care taker government is only doing their job of enforcing the laws of the land.

Not allowing him to live in the country and not observe the law as it applies to all Farangs.

Cheers

Do you think an Indian that has been living here for 50 years and has done so much for Thailand is still a farang?

Shortsighted you are. And scary...

5 days or 50 years he has to obey the law

foreigners should not get involved in Thai politics except on forms and down at the pub

have a Thai passport? get stuck in! don't have one? keep your foreign nose out of their business - it's simple really

And that my friends is why Thailand is the way it is...

[ramrod711]

Of course an elected Parliamentary Majority can enact the mandate on the basis on which it was elected. And can enforce laws/regulations per their interpretation. If the Opposition disagrees, kick up a storm in Parliament, and get voters on their side come next election.

As it happens, I come from a country that runs on the Parliamentary system. I think it works well, although I wouldn't mind having a primary runoff for prime minister as they do for Presidential candidates in the U.S. I can assure you that the system does not allow you to disregard the constitution, sending the opposition home then voting on a bill, at 4:00 am, that was amended between the first and second readings. I think you are aware of this. The Parliamentary system also allows for coalition governments as they have in the UK right now. The last coalition government was forced from office before the term was up, by the red shirt people who would not wait for 3 months.

[GeckosDiving]

Can you be arrested for deporting foreigners for doing something they were told not to do?

The place is a circus and no wonder it is never going to move forward.

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And as long as the Red Shirts are in power it will remain a circus !!!!

[petedk]

Here's an idea to streamline the judicial system: Put out a list of politicians that do not have arrest warrants. Should be much shorter.

You beat me to it.

There are so many impeachment cases and potential arrest warrants out there that there can't be many people left.

[Goat Roper]

Can you be arrested for deporting foreigners for doing something they were told not to do?

The place is a circus and no wonder it is never going to move forward.

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And as long as the Red Shirts are in power it will remain a circus !!!!

I have been living in this country for many years and to be honest with this crap that is currently going on I have developed the attitude that I don't give a Rat's what happens. It's all about money, power and nothing else and to hell with what is good for the country and it's people. Really sad.

[siampolee]

chooka post 3 6

Can you be arrested for deporting foreigners for doing something they were told not to do?

The place is a circus and no wonder it is never going to move forward.

If my memory serves me correctly there is some foreign chappy,( Montenegrin passport holder I think,) who seems to find it advisable to stay out of Thailand and that chappy deported himself if my memory serves me correctly too.

[SICHONSTEVE]

Could we please arrange for Suthep and Chalerm to share a cell for at least an hour? Make sure there are cameras rolling! I want to see Suthep kick his ass!

........and I want to see Chalerm whimpering!!!!

[Thai at Heart]

Can you be arrested for deporting foreigners for doing something they were told not to do?

The place is a circus and no wonder it is never going to move forward.

Apparently so. Bizarre.

[Fryslan boppe]

Chalerm recently signed an order to deport Satish, president of the India-Thai Business Association, for allegedly inciting illegal activities under the emergency decree and leading members of the People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) in raids on several state agencies.

I don't know if Satish did these things, it is of no real consequence to me. If he did, let the courts or which ever government agency is responsible rule on the issue. What does concern me is the patent disregard PTP has for the law. We won an election, we can do whatever we want is the attitude, laws are for the protection of everyone and must be respected. When Chalerm disrespects a court ruling he should be punished. The government has ignored the Constitution, the courts, the laws and wasted the peoples money, be gone I say.

" We won an election, we can do whatever we want is the attitude, laws are for the protection of everyone and must be respected..."

I'm amazed Farangs are so confused about the prerogatives of an elected Parliamentary majority......

Unless we are dealing here with agenda.....Like the saying goes, "When agenda walks in the door, common sense walks out"

Of course an elected Parliamentary Majority can enact the mandate on the basis on which it was elected.

That is the beauty of the Parliamentary system, over against the USA system prone to Congressional gridlock.

For the Opposition to denigrate that power under whatever narrative, then win a dam_n election.

The quote above implies that this electoral prerogative ought to be curtailed, with predictable unelectable rhetoric

The key point however....Is the electorate the next election......If the Opposition thinks the ruling majority is off on some power-trip, they forget the coming power-trip by the voters.

But being anti-democratic, they wouldn't grasp that reality....Preferring to denigrate Parliamentary Democracy by calling it "Parliamentary Dictatorship".

Yep. But the whole argument of yours is based on the wrong premises. There is no Parliamentary Democracy in Thailand. The current system in place, which was established by PTP, can be best described as kleptocratic and nepotistic dictatorship run via social media. Come on, even you must disagree with blatant nepotism.

"There is no Parliamentary Democracy in Thailand. The current system in place, which was established by PTP, can be best described as kleptocratic and nepotistic dictatorship run via social media. Come on, even you must disagree with blatant nepotism"

Not sure if this is serious, but for the moment, let me treat it as such:

>There is no Parliamentary Democracy in Thailand.........There are elections, however imperfect, with a Parliament seating Parties according to their numerical numbers elected...Although you may have a point about some small, personal allegiance groupings calling themselves political parties is a reach.....No Parliament Democracy?...However imperfect, yes there is.

>The PTP established the current system?....Huh?.....Winning elections amounts to creating a system of governance?......Like I said, have a hard time treating comments like this seriously.

>Kleptocraic, nepotistic dictatorship?.....Sounds like PAD-Dem convoluted intellectualy tortured nonsense, trotting out their favoraite Academic of the day, trying to explain their electoral futility and denigrating anything not of their own making...

It is no fun always being on the outside looking in, when one is convinced of one's own superior and elevated political wisdom........The arrogant self esteem that has them convinced the electorate needs to adapt to their wisdom, instead of adapting themselves to a diverse electorate.......So bury these ingrates in intellectual nonsense is sometimes their MO.....

That said, Asian Politics cannot be held up to Western notions of Democracy, with its' familial, hierarchical, and yes, nepotistic features.....But to dismiss it as democratically irrelevant is a tad imperious.

IMHO.

Edited March 8, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[ChrisY1]

Could we please arrange for Suthep and Chalerm to share a cell for at least an hour? Make sure there are cameras rolling! I want to see Suthep kick his ass!

........and I want to see Chalerm whimpering!!!!

Ha....Nobody could arrest Chalerm.....never ever happen....!!

[tomacht8]

Could we please arrange for Suthep and Chalerm to share a cell for at least an hour? Make sure there are cameras rolling! I want to see Suthep kick his ass!

........and I want to see Chalerm whimpering!!!!

Ha....Nobody could arrest Chalerm.....never ever happen....!!

Or even his son Duang.

[SICHONSTEVE]

Could we please arrange for Suthep and Chalerm to share a cell for at least an hour? Make sure there are cameras rolling! I want to see Suthep kick his ass!

........and I want to see Chalerm whimpering!!!!

Ha....Nobody could arrest Chalerm.....never ever happen....!!

What you mean the police won't be treating everybody equal as Yingluck has requested be done!!!

Well, she has upset the judges, and the EC so she may not be treated as she hopes by them.

[bigbamboo]

Could we please arrange for Suthep and Chalerm to share a cell for at least an hour? Make sure there are cameras rolling! I want to see Suthep kick his ass!

........and I want to see Chalerm whimpering!!!!

Ha....Nobody could arrest Chalerm.....never ever happen....!!

I think you're probably right. He certainly has all the credentials being a well connected politician and an ex-policeman and he's not inexperienced in such matters.

Chalerm is one of nature's survivors.... like the sponge.

Edited March 8, 2014 by bigbamboo

[icare999]

"The court has accepted Wanthongchai's petition..."

Can anyone recall where that was not the case, when a PAD-Dem guy comes running?

What does this mean?

Worse than Yoda

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

What I mean Thait Spot, is the easy access to "user-friendly" courts for PAD-Dem's.....They can come up with any challenge to the PTP elected Govt., and their courts will accept them.....Even when it is clearly Opposition folderol one would expect from any Opposition-type circumstance in a Parliamentary Democracy.

The Judiciary in effect enables what ought to be challenges in Parliament, via the courts.

It gives the Opposition relief outside parliament....Exactly what the unelectables want.

It would be more proper that they be turned back by this judiciary, and told to take it to Parliament.....And then when they bleat "Parliamentary Dictatorship", they be told to adapt themselves to a diverse Thai electorate and win an election. That way they can establish their own "parliamentary Dictatorship".

I have no problem with an electoral majority enacting an agenda and policy platform on the basis of which they have been elected. ....If some want to call that "Parliamentary Dictatorship" so be it......Works fine in the Parliamentary systems of Australia, Canada, England, etc.......And sure beats the USA system of congressional gridlock.

&lt;deleted&gt; when will people here understand this is not UK Canada or any western country ?? do any of you rose tinted head in sand types think for one minute a fugitive on run would be allowed to run Thailand from abroad or rather run government.

So please stop comparing oranges with apples

[Crushdepth]

Thailand has only become what the people have allowed it to become

Only the will of the people can see a better Thailand

Lets just hope that after all this government has done that the Thai people will not want to attend the circus any more and it time to return to work

It is not what the government has done, it is what idiots like this deported Indian has done. As a non citizen he chose to break the law and he now faces the consequences for his actions.

Very deserving, while the care taker government is only doing their job of enforcing the laws of the land.

Not allowing him to live in the country and not observe the law as it applies to all Farangs.

Cheers

Do you think an Indian that has been living here for 50 years and has done so much for Thailand is still a farang?

Shortsighted you are. And scary...

5 days or 50 years he has to obey the law

foreigners should not get involved in Thai politics except on forms and down at the pub

have a Thai passport? get stuck in! don't have one? keep your foreign nose out of their business - it's simple really

Have a Thai family but not a Thai passport? Let them screw your kids over, it's none of your business.

[Crushdepth]

Could we please arrange for Suthep and Chalerm to share a cell for at least an hour? Make sure there are cameras rolling! I want to see Suthep kick his ass!

........and I want to see Chalerm whimpering!!!!

With a ball gag.