Chalerm briefs top bureaucrats

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Chalerm briefs top bureaucrats
Pravit Rojanaphruk,
Anapat Deechuay
The Nation


Centre for the Administration of Peace and Order chief Chalerm Yoobamrung, second left, addresses the meeting of ministry permanent secretaries yesterday. Justice Ministry permanent secretary Kittipong Kittayarak is seen at second right.

Permanent secretaries of five ministries choose to stay away

BANGKOK: -- The permanent secretaries of all 20 ministries were summoned yesterday afternoon to hear Chalerm Yoobamrung, chief of the Centre for the Administration of Peace and Order, give a 40-minute lecture on how bureaucrats should conduct themselves vis-a-vis the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee.

However, Chalerm ended up spending most of his time seeking pity for and defending the caretaker Yingluck Shinawatra administration.

The permanent secretaries of five ministries - Public Health, Transport, Foreign affairs, Energy and Labour - did not attend. Four sent representatives, while Narong Sahametapat of Public Health conspicuously assigned no one to go the meeting instead.

Chalerm said he left it to the good judgement of all permanent secretaries to decide how to deal with Suthep Thaugsuban, secretary-general of the PDRC, who is urging all officials to join in civil disobedience against the government.

He also told them that bloodshed is inevitable if the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) and the Constitutional Court unfairly hand down rulings against Yingluck.

"When violence erupts, permanent secretaries must think whether they would like to stand by justice or not. Each one will be recorded by history," he said.

Chalerm singled out Public Health's Narong, who was not present and had no one taking his place, saying it was "too much".

Chalerm said he had instructed police to look into whether Narong's warm welcome for Suthep at his ministry amounted to offering refuge to someone who's fleeing from justice.

"You have to act impartially and not behave like the NACC, which seems like a party to the conflict."

"The case of the permanent secretary of Public Health is the case of a brave man. Our country needs such brave men to make politics colourful. But [Narong's] action is an expression of taking the PDRC's side and opposing the government.

"Once the government is back on track, [we] will order his transfer immediately. I'd like to warn that the Public Health's permanent secretary is betting on the wrong side," he said.

Even more blunt was Surapong Tovichakchaikul, foreign minister and chairman of CAPO's advisory council, who said officials should not blow whistles in support of the PDRC during office hours.

"Officials at my ministry can have a mind that's supportive of Suthep…But [doing that] during office hours is not appropriate," said Surapong, who is also a deputy premier.

Three permanent secretaries defended their "reception" for Suthep, who led PDRC supporters to visit several ministries last week.

Justice's Kittipong Kittayarak said he met Suthep because he wanted to hear from him and reporters were around most of the time.

"When [he] was done talking, I told him of my principles," Kittipong said.

There's such a gap of perception in Thai society today, he added.

Defence's Nipat Thonglek said he had been personally attacked by the pro-PDRC Blue Sky TV channel for half a year and he was curious to hear from Suthep himself.

He said he made Suthep wait for two hours before meeting him and that the place of the meeting wasn't nice enough to qualify as a "reception".

"I asked him what did he want and what were all these five to six months [of protests] for? I told him I disagreed with it," he said.

He will ensure that Yingluck, as caretaker defence minister will have a functional office at the ministry, he added.


-- The Nation 2014-04-18

[NongKhaiKid]

I know TIT but in jurisdictions with a proper rule of law Chalerm and others would be very close to Contempt of Court charges as by calling for fair treatment of YL they are insinuating she will not get proper justice. Maybe she will and maybe she won't but there are things that should not be said ahead of any proceedings.

PTP / reds calling for fair treatment are in fact saying ' aquit or else " and that's another aspect of contempt.

[Yunla]

However, Chalerm ended up spending most of his time seeking pity for and defending the caretaker Yingluck Shinawatra administration.

He could have saved his breath, I already pity Yingluck. Her decades of listening to that egomaniac basketcase every single night have made her a wobbly jelly kind of person, unable to think rationally or even climb out of vans without snapping her limbs off. I do pity her, she is a shuffling automaton and her life is directed by this careering dominator figure. I at least have the luxury of not listening to Thaksin, or feeling obliged to comfort him when he starts weeping about the injustices of the world. I am probably in a minority on this issue, but I think Yingluck could have led a happy and productive life outside politics if she had been born in a different family. She is a victim of the dune loon, just as Thailand is. The difference is that she is shackled to him by birth, and for that I truly pity her.

[chainarong]

It would appear that Chalerm is trying to justify the PTP, to the permanent secretaries , in otherwords brow beating them into what he would like to happen, trying to influence their personal opinions, the five that where missing had foresight to stay away Quoting Chalerm could be dangerous to ones health.

[Thait Spot]

This meeting served no purpose other than downright intimidation.

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[trainman34014]

I expect most of them were disappointed as they thought they were coming for an invite to a big junket in Hong Kong, not to listen to the outpourings of a nutcase !

[AleG]

He also told them that bloodshed is inevitable if the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) and the Constitutional Court unfairly hand down rulings against Yingluck.

"When violence erupts, permanent secretaries must think whether they would like to stand by justice or not. Each one will be recorded by history," he said.

Isn´t he the man in charge of the organization tasked to preventing that scenario? He is issuing threats against the whole country...

"Once the government is back on track, [we] will order his transfer immediately. I'd like to warn that the Public Health's permanent secretary is betting on the wrong side," he said.

... and officials in particular.

Chalerm said he had instructed police to look into whether Narong's warm welcome for Suthep at his ministry amounted to offering refuge to someone who's fleeing from justice.

Says the man who succesfully assisted his son from fleeing from justice, intimidating witnesses and whitewashed the murder of a policeman.

[Ricardo]

"The case of the permanent secretary of Public Health is the case of a brave man. Our country needs such brave men to make politics colourful. But [Narong's] action is an expression of taking the PDRC's side and opposing the government.

"Once the government is back on track, [we] will order his transfer immediately. I'd like to warn that the Public Health's permanent secretary is betting on the wrong side," he said.

So it's not about right-or-wrong, but who's supposedly going to emerge as the winner, and the revenge they will take on the civil-servants ?

"Yay for Red 'True-Democracy' !"

[Mentors]

He also told them that bloodshed is inevitable if the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) and the Constitutional Court unfairly hand down rulings against Yingluck.

"When violence erupts, permanent secretaries must think whether they would like to stand by justice or not. Each one will be recorded by history," he said.

Isn´t he the man in charge of the organization tasked to preventing that scenario? He is issuing threats against the whole country...

"Once the government is back on track, [we] will order his transfer immediately. I'd like to warn that the Public Health's permanent secretary is betting on the wrong side," he said.

... and officials in particular.

Chalerm said he had instructed police to look into whether Narong's warm welcome for Suthep at his ministry amounted to offering refuge to someone who's fleeing from justice.

Says the man who succesfully assisted his son from fleeing from justice, intimidating witnesses and whitewashed the murder of a policeman.

His son get many flowers from people at the airport when he arrived back in Thailand...

[thesetat2013]

Since it is not Chalerms job or his business to address the secretaries about political views or opinions it seens almost poetic that he spent most of his meeting seeking PITY for YL which is also not his job. But to blatantly tell these people that bloodshed is imminent if the courts rule against her is akin to a threat. He also automatically assumes that any ministry that goes against YL is for the PDRC which i dont believe to be true. One can be against a corrupt admin and not support the opposition and want true justice. He also goes on to threaten to take Narongs position when the PTP Gov is back in control which in itself would be illegal to terminate someones position due to political views. He is setting himself up for cases against him more for any future PTP gov. This guy really needs to do his job and stop taking that medicine.

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[eddie61]

"Chalerm said he had instructed police to look into whether Narong's warm welcome for Suthep at his ministry amounted to offering refuge to someone who's fleeing from justice".... spoken by a man who knows more than most people about fleeing from justice.

The front row look as happy as Kim Jong-un's generals.

[ggold]

He also told them that bloodshed is inevitable if the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) and the Constitutional Court unfairly hand down rulings against Yingluck.

"When violence erupts, permanent secretaries must think whether they would like to stand by justice or not. Each one will be recorded by history," he said.

Isn´t he the man in charge of the organization tasked to preventing that scenario? He is issuing threats against the whole country...

"Once the government is back on track, [we] will order his transfer immediately. I'd like to warn that the Public Health's permanent secretary is betting on the wrong side," he said.

... and officials in particular.

Chalerm said he had instructed police to look into whether Narong's warm welcome for Suthep at his ministry amounted to offering refuge to someone who's fleeing from justice.

Says the man who succesfully assisted his son from fleeing from justice, intimidating witnesses and whitewashed the murder of a policeman.

And he just back from visiting a flee'd Criminal in Hong Kong himself!

[issanaus]

Shouldn't he have been briefing people on the progress being made in identify those responsible for the shootings and grenade attacks ....

Guess there would have been no need for the meeting then

[mrtoad]

Pathetic drunk clown.

[Thaddeus]

"When violence erupts, permanent secretaries must think whether they would like to stand by justice or not. Each one will be recorded by history," he said.

Chalerm old son, you will go down in history as being one of the largest perverters of justice Thailand has ever known, both for your protection of your lovable offspring and the lies you constantly spout about anyone who dares to go against you and your master (at least Newin had the good sense to bail out on time)

Nothing more than a playground bully who now feels threatened by those he has been threatening for his entire life.

He does deserve everything he gets.

[Tatsujin]

Now, surely CAPO/Chalerm/PT have well stepped over the line (again) legally on this one and I hope someone recorded this and is going to take them to Court very soon.

It's not their job to tell anyone else what to do or say or think politically.

"Once the government is back on track, [we] will order his transfer immediately. I'd like to warn that the Public Health's permanent secretary is betting on the wrong side," he said.

And then you'll be up shit street once again for transferring someone who has a different view to yourselves. If it was performance-related, you might have a chance, but not in this instance. Narong should take action for threats and intimidation.

[Lupatria]

offering refuge to someone who's fleeing from justice...

Who is going to blame Denmark on the same grounds?

[Baerboxer]

I know TIT but in jurisdictions with a proper rule of law Chalerm and others would be very close to Contempt of Court charges as by calling for fair treatment of YL they are insinuating she will not get proper justice. Maybe she will and maybe she won't but there are things that should not be said ahead of any proceedings.

PTP / reds calling for fair treatment are in fact saying ' aquit or else " and that's another aspect of contempt.

Read what he says carefully. He seems to be saying quite openly that any ruling against YL will be "unfairly handed down"; with the inevitable conclusion that it will lead to violence.

This would be enough to get someone arrested in most countries and face serious charges as you say.

He then goes on to threaten that anybody who doesn't do what they're told will be transferred when PTP get back "on track".

Thaksin still playing the rule by fear cards - do as we say or they'll be trouble for you attitude. Hopefully the judges, investigators and commissioners have more moral fiber than the clowns delivering these hollow threats.

- YL must be found innocent, Red leaders can't have their bail revoked even though they broke the conditions, we must have an election quick so we can bring the amnesty bill back and get "back on track" for the 2,2 trillion. Anyone speaking out will be sorry. Usual Thaksin MO.

I believe Thaksin is hoping everyone is so worried by all this hot air, and tired of it too. He's hoping they'll take the no conflict route - forgive and forget, start again. He has constantly misjudged the level and growth of the loathing for his corrupt puppet regimes within the Thai people.

We have Tarit making clear political propaganda threats to the courts and now Chalerm making veiled threats of mass violence and retribution. And where is Madame caretaker - safely hidden up North, keeping silent and pretending as usual.

[Thai at Heart]

"Permanent secretaries of five ministries choose to stay away"

Sorry, but I think that is completely unacceptable. He might be a nutjob, but you have to attend surely?

[BuddyPinkham]

He also told them that bloodshed is inevitable if the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) and the Constitutional Court unfairly hand down rulings against Yingluck"..........

I would definitely call this a threat and inciting violence; unless the court does what he says!

[NongKhaiKid]

"Permanent secretaries of five ministries choose to stay away"

Sorry, but I think that is completely unacceptable. He might be a nutjob, but you have to attend surely?

So many people here don't bother to attend court hearings so why attend a lecture by a drunken nutjob ?

[mrtoad]

"Permanent secretaries of five ministries choose to stay away"

Sorry, but I think that is completely unacceptable. He might be a nutjob, but you have to attend surely?

So many people here don't bother to attend court hearings so why attend a lecture by a drunken nutjob ?

Does The caretaker Minister of Ear Medicine actually have any legal mandate to order anything?

[Scamper]

" You have to act impartially and not behave like the NACC, which seems like a party to the conflict. "

That's contempt - by any legal definition. All of these comments - by Chalerm, by Yingluck, by the whole of the UDD - are questioning the legitimacy of the courts, of both the National Anti-Corruption Commission and the Constitutional Court. They are engaging in contempt of court - by any definition. Such public statements made prior to court rulings are outrageous and unprecedented. But they are also unlawful. And the problem is that they are taking on a normalcy which is quite dangerous. Once Chalerm utters such comments in public, he ceases to serve the public good, and has placed himself in a position to having to defend himself in a court of law.

Here we have a " meeting " which turns out more than a free-associative rant by Chalerm where he demands that public officials explain themselves, as they would to any elementary school teacher. Five officials had the good graces not to attend, and one of them attained brave status by not sending a representative. The result - Chalerm will get his police to " investigate ". Welcome to the Sopranos.

In the meantime, Surapong is upset with whistles.

[h90]

I know TIT but in jurisdictions with a proper rule of law Chalerm and others would be very close to Contempt of Court charges as by calling for fair treatment of YL they are insinuating she will not get proper justice. Maybe she will and maybe she won't but there are things that should not be said ahead of any proceedings.

PTP / reds calling for fair treatment are in fact saying ' aquit or else " and that's another aspect of contempt.

"He also told them that bloodshed is inevitable if the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) and the Constitutional Court unfairly hand down rulings against Yingluck."

That is something more than Contempt of Court. Surely that can't be lawful.

[NongKhaiKid]

"Permanent secretaries of five ministries choose to stay away"

Sorry, but I think that is completely unacceptable. He might be a nutjob, but you have to attend surely?

So many people here don't bother to attend court hearings so why attend a lecture by a drunken nutjob ?

Does The caretaker Minister of Ear Medicine actually have any legal mandate to order anything?

Good point but he and so many others in this government, PTP and the reds have a track record not not letting little things like legality stand in their way.

[bigbamboo]

Poor Chalerm...... tired and emotional again. It's painful to watch and if Thaksin had a heart he'd pension him off for everybody's sake.

Then again we'd all miss him. The bit about accusing someone else of offering refuge from justice is pure comedy gold.

[ianf]

My first reaction was "unbelievable!" But, given this man's track record not so unbelievable.

Those attending the meeting must have been gobsmacked by the contents of this man's speech.

It appears to have been intimidatory as some posters have pointed out.

I also think that the level of intelligence and social/political awareness was probably much higher amongst the audience than that displayed by Chalerm and his team.

Also the sheer naivety that Chalerm displayed was incredible. Does he have no shame?

On the other hand the same tone of lecturing from Thaksin has been reported (and seen on Utube) and even his recent message for Songkran displayed the same level of idiocy and naivety.

Is this something about Thailand? When will people actually stand up and tell them in front of the audience that they're talking sh*t? Why are Thais so scared to do this?

My wife was recently part of a group of parents having to wait for four hours for the teacher to turn up at a school meeting. The teacher had organised the meeting for 7am (!) but actually came at 11.05.

My wife was the only person to confront her and people w ere shocked that she stood up and lectured the teacher about her manners and why she should be at the meeting on time.

The teacher's response was to immediately cancel the meeting. So Chalerm's childish antics all starts with the education system ......

[ramrod711]

He also told them that bloodshed is inevitable if the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) and the Constitutional Court unfairly hand down rulings against Yingluck.

We may have to take this part seriously, if the monk beaters won't do it, he may send his son.

[Soutpeel]

"Chalerm briefs top bureaucrats"

Shouldn't that read "Chalerm threatens top bureaucrats" ?

[mrtoad]

"Chalerm briefs top bureaucrats"

Shouldn't that read "Chalerm threatens top bureaucrats" ?

He doesn't know any other way really;vile, elitist,fascist, anti democratic, nazi, thug that he is :-)