Martial law is not a coup: Thai Army chief

[JRSoul]

Daily political shootings and bombings would constitute a state of emergencies in most western countries I am sure. Like the British military were deployed to Northern Ireland.

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In most western countries, the civilian government would still have control over the military in those decisions. Here, the army acted on its own. The army started shutting down TV and radio stations. Recently, it said it would monitor social media and that any gathering or movement against the martial law is outlawed. A total and unnecessary breach of freedom of expression.

Having a civilian state is vital to democracy and we do not have one.

You choose to ignore that the armed militia of the party in government are those committing the shootings and bombings, and that the RTP have been ineffective in reducing attacks and arresting those involved. What is important, stopping systematic murder or maintaining a failed attempt at democracy?

[JRSoul]

Daily political shootings and bombings would constitute a state of emergencies in most western countries I am sure. Like the British military were deployed to Northern Ireland.

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In most western countries, the civilian government would still have control over the military in those decisions. Here, the army acted on its own. The army started shutting down TV and radio stations. Recently, it said it would monitor social media and that any gathering or movement against the martial law is outlawed. A total and unnecessary breach of freedom of expression.

Having a civilian state is vital to democracy and we do not have one.

You choose to ignore that the armed militia of the party in government are those committing the shootings and bombings, and that the RTP have been ineffective in reducing attacks and arresting those involved. What is important, stopping systematic murder or maintaining a failed attempt at democracy?

[MrWorldwide]

One of the reasons that few are happy to use the word 'coup' is that insurance companies have a wonderful 'get out of jail free' clause for any such action. Not sure what sort of impact it would have on foreign investment if Thai insurers started offering special clauses for 'iMilitary Coup' and 'Civil Unrest' - hardly encouraging IMO.

[citizen33]

There were some hard-to-read but potentially significant signs today. I was expecting to hear confirmation of the Royal Proclamation, but this does not seem to be deemed necessary despite the announcement of nationwide martial law. I was also intrigued to see the colour of the ribbons worn by one of the regiments on duty..

Just had a look on Google images.. no pictures of Thai troops with ribbons .. do you have any pictures?

I know the troops tend to wear the regiment colour as a neckerchief is that what you mean?

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Google was the way I located the image (having heard the story on Thai web sites). It is just one Battalion, but this is not the colour of their Commander in Chief. Forum rules prevent me from saying any more.

[Chopperboy]

If Thailand wants this to go away they need to adopt the psychological warfare tactics of the western shadows government...

Behind the scenes control of all political parties (fake left/ right divide)

Total control of the mainstream media, blending fact with fiction in the news

Propaganda & mind manipulation through TV/ film/ media/ music/ publications

Use of pressure groups and think tanks to assist in the manipulation of public opinion

Wide spread use of psychotropic drugs both prescription and "illegal"

Fluoridation of the water (dumb down the host population)

Total intelligence spy grid monitoring all internet, emails/ phone conversations

Paid SHILLS to control/ hijack on-line decent

Use of weaponized cancer, plane crashes, accidents, fake suicides and other techniques to eliminate potential threats.

Use of divide and conquer tactics i.e. mass immigration, promotion of "rights" groups

[Piichai]

Insurrection means violent uprising.

Some would think we have that with the Reds. Others might think we have that with PDRC. Either way, the military has their excuse.

A lot would think there has not been one. By international standards, there has not been one. The military does not have their excuse.

Tell that to the parents of the murdered children.

The military had a reasonable concern, what with the millions heading to Bangkok from the north.

And now we have news that Reds are hiring people to build bombs for them, presumably as Darwin has taken care of their in-house bomb builders.

And the almost daily attacks on the peaceful protesters certainly sounds violent to me. Especially that one with the M16 and M79s.

It's not hard to see the military's actions have been measured. Gotta give them credit after the Reds saying they were going to kidnap Prayuth's daughters and all...

[Piichai]

Daily political shootings and bombings would constitute a state of emergencies in most western countries I am sure. Like the British military were deployed to Northern Ireland.

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In most western countries, the civilian government would still have control over the military in those decisions. Here, the army acted on its own. The army started shutting down TV and radio stations. Recently, it said it would monitor social media and that any gathering or movement against the martial law is outlawed. A total and unnecessary breach of freedom of expression.

Having a civilian state is vital to democracy and we do not have one.

Having a civil population is vital as well, but not much evidence of that at the moment.

[Piichai]

There were some hard-to-read but potentially significant signs today. I was expecting to hear confirmation of the Royal Proclamation, but this does not seem to be deemed necessary despite the announcement of nationwide martial law. I was also intrigued to see the colour of the ribbons worn by one of the regiments on duty..

Doesn't one particular regiment usually wear the ribbons?

[somjitr]

Daily political shootings and bombings would constitute a state of emergencies in most western countries I am sure. Like the British military were deployed to Northern Ireland.

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In most western countries, the civilian government would still have control over the military in those decisions. Here, the army acted on its own. The army started shutting down TV and radio stations. Recently, it said it would monitor social media and that any gathering or movement against the martial law is outlawed. A total and unnecessary breach of freedom of expression.

Having a civilian state is vital to democracy and we do not have one.

But in most western states the government isn't supporting the terrorists attacking civilians exercising their democratic rights to peaceful protest. So given this situation the army has to by pass the government to maintain peace and order. Masterfully "Jai yen yen" of them to allow the gov to continue running the civil side given the level of corruption/ criminality going on over there too.

Here the military is part of the checks and balances like the courts are in the west.

Did you know the British military monitored the Labour Party and other socialists during the Cold War? There was a secret plan to take over / coup under the authority of the Queen in case of a Labour government back communist take over of the other arms of state. Just as the PTP have been trying to take over all the other checks and balances to have an dictatorship in all but name- like the fake democracies in china and such countries- freedom to vote as long as it's for a PT candidate. Much of the north is like this already, there is no real choice and the dens are hounded and intimidated, killed sometimes- this is not democracy.

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If you have evidence that the government is supporting the terrorists, perhaps you should volunteer it to the courts or the army or something. They would appreciate that. But right now, I have every reason not to believe that. In fact, the army didn't even use this as a reason to declare martial law.

About the British, I would say that such monitoring during the Cold War is undemocratic, even against a communist threat. The Queen of England of course did it to protect her own interests. If communism had come, then monarchy would have been gone. Thailand used undemocratic means against the "communist threat" during the Cold War, too. That does not make it acceptable in my opinion.

Several international organizations observed the Thai election and considered it mostly free and fair with a few flaws. I haven't seen good rebuttals to them besides anecdotal claims from TV posters really. Maybe you guys should work harder to get your voice heard in the international community.

[mccw]

^ both the British and Thais were correct to use Un democratic means to suppress communist insurrection. You need only look at neighbouring countries to see the results Thailand might have faced if nothing done- pol pot; maybe you prefer something like Myanmar for past few decades or loas and vietnam? Last two being bombed by that most democratic country of them all - good ol USA ; yeehaa we love democracy so much we support terrorists and dictators across the globe - fact.

Wake up to the real world sunshine.

Democracy is just convenient mirage of freedom to keep the western masses placid.

[mccw]

Daily political shootings and bombings would constitute a state of emergencies in most western countries I am sure. Like the British military were deployed to Northern Ireland.

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In most western countries, the civilian government would still have control over the military in those decisions. Here, the army acted on its own. The army started shutting down TV and radio stations. Recently, it said it would monitor social media and that any gathering or movement against the martial law is outlawed. A total and unnecessary breach of freedom of expression.

Having a civilian state is vital to democracy and we do not have one.

But in most western states the government isn't supporting the terrorists attacking civilians exercising their democratic rights to peaceful protest. So given this situation the army has to by pass the government to maintain peace and order. Masterfully "Jai yen yen" of them to allow the gov to continue running the civil side given the level of corruption/ criminality going on over there too.

Here the military is part of the checks and balances like the courts are in the west.

Did you know the British military monitored the Labour Party and other socialists during the Cold War? There was a secret plan to take over / coup under the authority of the Queen in case of a Labour government back communist take over of the other arms of state. Just as the PTP have been trying to take over all the other checks and balances to have an dictatorship in all but name- like the fake democracies in china and such countries- freedom to vote as long as it's for a PT candidate. Much of the north is like this already, there is no real choice and the dens are hounded and intimidated, killed sometimes- this is not democracy.

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If you have evidence that the government is supporting the terrorists, perhaps you should volunteer it to the courts or the army or something. They would appreciate that. But right now, I have every reason not to believe that. In fact, the army didn't even use this as a reason to declare martial law.

About the British, I would say that such monitoring during the Cold War is undemocratic, even against a communist threat. The Queen of England of course did it to protect her own interests. If communism had come, then monarchy would have been gone. Thailand used undemocratic means against the "communist threat" during the Cold War, too. That does not make it acceptable in my opinion.

Several international organizations observed the Thai election and considered it mostly free and fair with a few flaws. I haven't seen good rebuttals to them besides anecdotal claims from TV posters really. Maybe you guys should work harder to get your voice heard in the international community.

I was wrong to say the gov supporting- I withdraw that comment.

It's just that some of the supporters of the gov have been threatening civil war if xyz happens and other reds / gov supporters have been arrested with military grade weapons and explosives- while coincidentally there have been numerous bloody attacks against anti gov protests- killing children and women as well as men- unarmed protesters. What does that say about the respect for democratic principles. It's not the government , no no no, it's all coincidence that the targets are the people who are anti the government , of course. I with draw the statement and apologise

[Chopperboy]

^ both the British and Thais were correct to use Un democratic means to suppress communist insurrection. You need only look at neighbouring countries to see the results Thailand might have faced if nothing done- pol pot; maybe you prefer something like Myanmar for past few decades or loas and vietnam? Last two being bombed by that most democratic country of them all - good ol USA ; yeehaa we love democracy so much we support terrorists and dictators across the globe - fact.

Wake up to the real world sunshine.

Democracy is just convenient mirage of freedom to keep the western masses placid.

Pol pot was put in power by the CIA - just as they admit Al Qaeda are our "friends" in Syria today..

"Mr Richard Nixon and Kissinger allowed the Khmer Rouge to grasp golden opportunities," the 66-year-old former jailer said at the start of the second week of his trial by the joint U.N.-Cambodian tribunal.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/04/06/us-cambodia-rouge-idUSTRE5351VF20090406

[wilcopops]

^ both the British and Thais were correct to use Un democratic means to suppress communist insurrection. You need only look at neighbouring countries to see the results Thailand might have faced if nothing done- pol pot; maybe you prefer something like Myanmar for past few decades or loas and vietnam? Last two being bombed by that most democratic country of them all - good ol USA ; yeehaa we love democracy so much we support terrorists and dictators across the globe - fact.

Wake up to the real world sunshine.

Democracy is just convenient mirage of freedom to keep the western masses placid.

Pol pot was put in power by the CIA - just as they admit Al Qaeda are our "friends" in Syria today..

"Mr Richard Nixon and Kissinger allowed the Khmer Rouge to grasp golden opportunities," the 66-year-old former jailer said at the start of the second week of his trial by the joint U.N.-Cambodian tribunal.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/04/06/us-cambodia-rouge-idUSTRE5351VF20090406

"Martial law is not a coup" ..... but THIS is!