International alarm mounts over Thai coup

[Mackie]

What a bitter bunch of people are red blind followers on this forum. Cheer up a bit. It's not all doom and gloom. You can bitch and whine all you want but the life goes on and the major corporate deals will continue to be made.

Thai army delegation visits China amid Western reproach of coup

http://news.yahoo.com/thai-army-delegation-visits-china-amid-western-reproach-063215668.html

BANGKOK (Reuters) - A delegation of Thai military commanders travelled to China on Wednesday for talks on regional security and joint training amid Western reproach of the army's seizure of power in a coup last month.

General Surasak Kanjanarat, Thailand's de facto defence minister, said the meeting was aimed at mapping out "future plans of action" with the Chinese army, one of its oldest regional allies. He did not elaborate on the plans.

The bid by Thailand's military rulers to strengthen ties with China comes after Western powers, including old ally the United States, criticised the May 22 coup and called for a speedy return to democracy.

The junta has said it has China's support.

Edited June 12, 2014 by metisdead
Edited per fair use policy.

[fab4]

fab4 post # 1228

The international alarm is not about the Thai economy.

The fab4 alarm is not about the Thai economy it is about the downfall of the great god Shinwatra.

Beware of false prophets

Sorry did the thread title suddenly change to "Fab4 Alarm mounts over Thai coup"?

No, I don't think it did. So why did you find it necessary to come up with such a pointless post - other than being confrontational?

I seem to be spending more and more time replying to such drivel, can't you and your acolytes just stick to posting something even remotely relevant to the thread you're on.

Edited June 12, 2014 by fab4

[Nickymaster]

fab4 post # 1228

The international alarm is not about the Thai economy.

The fab4 alarm is not about the Thai economy it is about the downfall of the great god Shinwatra.

Beware of false prophets

Sorry did the thread title suddenly change to "Fab4 Alarm mounts over Thai coup"?

No, I don't think it did. So why did you find it necessary to come up with such a pointless post - other than being confrontational?

I seem to be spending more and more time replying to such drivel, can't you and your acolytes just stick to posting something even remotely relevant to the thread you're on.

hypocrite...

[T_Dog]

It is quite sad to see several threads regarding events of the past month disappear from ThaiVisa. A fear-based society has what hope? The only real bead on things that you can get is from the international news sources, not from anything inside Thailand. edit... Oh and certainly nothing on ThaiVisa.

Edited June 12, 2014 by T_Dog

[bigbamboo]

Well, I stand corrected and disappointed

Maybe I'm just old (fashioned) but I do recall the BBC in better days when they DID try to achieve objectivity and give at least some air time to opposing views.

My information is not as parochial as you may think

I mix socially with all types here in Phuket and run a consultancy business (electrical engineering)

I also socialise in Bangkok (The British Club etc)

My wife's family are from Nakhon Phanon Province and we visit the wider family there frequently.

My son is married to woman from Buri Ram (who graduated from a top BKK university)

So, I think my sources are pretty eclectic

The Economist is also surprisingly weak on Thailand

I also think Aljazeera is pretty good.

All I'm asking for is some balance here.

Personally, I find JH way too shallow and simplistic. A bit too second rate university I imagine. A bit daily Mail if you like.

Sadly, that's the BBC these days. It may have been a bit too "Oxbridge" elitist in the past but frankly I preferred those Halcyon days.

Let's have some real analysis here

Well I'm going to throw my two pennyworth in here. I not only went to the same university as Jonathan Head, though not the same college, but also the same school. My own view about my fellow Old Alleynian is that he still has an axe to grind where Thailand in concerned and it has a tendency to show in some of his asides.

Then you will be interested to know that another Dulwich and Cambridge man told me a few years ago when I met him at an Ox and Cam dinner that Jonathan Head was one of the finest foreign journalists working in Thailand.He was fulsome in his praise and I am inclined to take his word rather than the criticism of various expatriates of unknown origin.My informant's name? Anand Panyarachun.

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Thank you for your post, jayboy and I appreciate entirely what you say.

I would also readily accept that I am in a minority when it comes to my opinion of JH as a journalist but having lived here for over a decade my current opinion is based solely on his output in his time here in Thailand.

Clearly as a D and C man he can't be all bad!

Regards

[The stuttering parrot]

It's like fighting with two hands tied behind your back if you have an opposite opinion T dog .

Restrictions placed on what anti coup supporters voice gives on here gives the yellows free reign to express their opinion.

Quite rightly this forum has to watch what is posted as we don't know what's going on behind the scenes .

I've been reigned in for overstepping the boundaries and I'm now just waiting for the junta to announce the elections and let the people show who they truly want.

Anyway it was doing my head in reading the same posts day in and day out by the same posters.

Preferring my golf and fishing!

[T_Dog]

It's like fighting with two hands tied behind your back if you have an opposite opinion T dog .

Restrictions placed on what anti coup supporters voice gives on here gives the yellows free reign to express their opinion.

Quite rightly this forum has to watch what is posted as we don't know what's going on behind the scenes .

I've been reigned in for overstepping the boundaries and I'm now just waiting for the junta to announce the elections and let the people show who they truly want.

Anyway it was doing my head in reading the same posts day in and day out by the same posters.

Preferring my golf and fishing!

Just to be clear... I don't have some colored oar in the water in someone else's pond, but I do believe that more news is better than less news. Forums can provide a lot of information to keep people safe and to understand what the real situation is. Limiting any of the articles does not serve expats living here. We are under military rule at the moment, so let the facts of that basis, and the reasons behind it, be known.

[Nickymaster]

It's like fighting with two hands tied behind your back if you have an opposite opinion T dog .

Restrictions placed on what anti coup supporters voice gives on here gives the yellows free reign to express their opinion.

Quite rightly this forum has to watch what is posted as we don't know what's going on behind the scenes .

I've been reigned in for overstepping the boundaries and I'm now just waiting for the junta to announce the elections and let the people show who they truly want.

Anyway it was doing my head in reading the same posts day in and day out by the same posters.

Preferring my golf and fishing!

Please don't act like a saint. You also have posted a lot of crap while supporting the Thaksin clan. You have been wrong numerous times when making ridiculous statements. I have challenged you many times in the past but you have never replied back.

Finally the country is moving forward and I am sure that the majority in Thailand is happy that Prayuth is cleaning up the mess former "leaders" have left behind.

You can't always win parrot. If you have nothing to say it is better to go fishing.

[Nickymaster]

It is quite sad to see several threads regarding events of the past month disappear from ThaiVisa. A fear-based society has what hope? The only real bead on things that you can get is from the international news sources, not from anything inside Thailand. edit... Oh and certainly nothing on ThaiVisa.

Not sad at all. Many posts don't bring much. There is enough info around to live a perfectly normal life in Thailand.

Problem with forums is that many idiots suddenly have something stupid to say hidden in their room behind their key boards. Many posters only want to win the discussion without keeping into account what is right or wrong. Assuming they know it. I am honestly amazed that the mods here on TV don't block more nasty propaganda.

[rubl]

The military government is making some headlines and embarrassing the police. I suspect that if the police, or anyone else, were allowed an unrestricted investigation of the activities and the accounts of the military they could make some headlines as well.

In the real world in Thailand, there's still a curfew, still censorship, still soldiers on the streets and still creepy interruptions of television programs so the junta can announce dozens of names of people required to report to the government.

We still haven't seen the reforms, still don't know what the new constitution will look like, and still don't know when there will be elections. If the international pressure doesn't continue we may not see these things for a long time.

Getting impatient, my dear Brucy?

Would you really feel better if the NCPO suddenly came with the 'reforms' like the Yingluck government suddenly came with it's Blanket Amnesty Bill ? Was the coup really already at least in last month, oh so long ago?

[metisdead]

Looks like a reminder is needed to be posted for those who have forgotten:

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[chotthee]

What Coup.

There was never a coup.

Just a change in Thailand management.

[metisdead]

Some more inflammatory argumentative posts have been removed as well as a political lobbying post.

- Political lobbying or propaganda of any kind.

[heybruce]

The military government is making some headlines and embarrassing the police. I suspect that if the police, or anyone else, were allowed an unrestricted investigation of the activities and the accounts of the military they could make some headlines as well.

In the real world in Thailand, there's still a curfew, still censorship, still soldiers on the streets and still creepy interruptions of television programs so the junta can announce dozens of names of people required to report to the government.

We still haven't seen the reforms, still don't know what the new constitution will look like, and still don't know when there will be elections. If the international pressure doesn't continue we may not see these things for a long time.

Getting impatient, my dear Brucy?

Would you really feel better if the NCPO suddenly came with the 'reforms' like the Yingluck government suddenly came with it's Blanket Amnesty Bill ? Was the coup really already at least in last month, oh so long ago?

Impatient with the curfew, censorship, soldiers in the streets, and creepy special announcements? In keeping with new forum policies, not at all.

Regarding reforms, a new constitution, and elections, a timeline would be nice. Of course we know that the reforms will have some window dressing restrictions on elected officials passed off as anti-corruption rules with no meaningful visibility into the accounts and operations of the civil service, military, or other traditional institutions. The new constitution will have just enough democracy for appearances sake, but not enough to challenge the traditional institutions.

The main driver to the timeline is obvious to well informed people. I want international pressure to continue to reduce the chances that the military isn't comfortable in power at that time. I can think of no example of an extended period of military rule being good for a country.

You still haven't replied to post #1196 http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/728548-international-alarm-mounts-over-thai-coup/page-48. Do you consider people who encourage others to stay informed using outside news sources to be "agent provocateurs"?

[englishoak]

Just read a varied cross section of international and local news plus research non mainstream media. There is some excellent information available that everyone that likes to comment here should be aware of ... you'll soon realise who is making stuff up and who is not. You'll also easily be able to find out what the bigger picture is, the players and nature of the game. You wont get anything like even half the picture here or in country.

You can also easily find out the position of TV, its worth, traffic and revenue and thereby also where its interests must lay if it wishes to remain accessible. .

Remember This is Thailand and theres nothing fair or balanced about the place, dont expect this site to be any different at the moment.

Anyone who relies on just in country info and media are deluding themselves.

The international alarm is reserved and mild not panicing and wild. Its seen this all before but also knows this time its same same but different.

Time will tell its own story and history is a great measure of the likely outcome.

[metisdead]

An inflammatory post has been removed.

[JAG]

I will take the good General Prayuth temporary rule over the Shinawatra dictatorship under the commie PTP any day and twice on Sundays.

What if it proves not to be temporary?

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[The stuttering parrot]

According to the general it won't be.

Then there will be an election !

Then with that election the people will elect the government.

[Stargeezer9889]

I am in full support of the Thailand Military and what they had to do.

They began with Martian law, and that did not work, as the politicians did

not give the Military any help, so the coup was the next logical step.

It is a shame that the International medias and governments have not done their homework

and seen why the military had to step in. For us tourists and travellers, life goes on

pretty much the same. I read other Thailand news in reference of Thai Airways and other stories

and it seems to me that some other areas are getting cleaned up as well.

As a tourist/traveller who goes to Thailand almost every year, I am still happy to visit

this country and escape the cold Winter I get back home.

Thanks

Stargeezer9889

[heybruce]

I am in full support of the Thailand Military and what they had to do.

They began with Martian law, and that did not work, as the politicians did

not give the Military any help, so the coup was the next logical step.

It is a shame that the International medias and governments have not done their homework

and seen why the military had to step in. For us tourists and travellers, life goes on

pretty much the same. I read other Thailand news in reference of Thai Airways and other stories

and it seems to me that some other areas are getting cleaned up as well.

As a tourist/traveller who goes to Thailand almost every year, I am still happy to visit

this country and escape the cold Winter I get back home.

Thanks

Stargeezer9889

Dissenting views are not allowed.

[Travel2003]

What Coup.

There was never a coup.

Just a change in Thailand management.

NCPO: It's not a coup

You are not allowed to call it a Coup (from today).

Anyhow,

with more and more plans being drawn up by the NCPO, I have a feeling they will need to sit with the power for years to come, if they want to realize all those plans.

[bigbamboo]

What Coup.

There was never a coup.

Just a change in Thailand management.

NCPO: It's not a coup

You are not allowed to call it a Coup (from today).

Anyhow,

with more and more plans being drawn up by the NCPO, I have a feeling they will need to sit with the power for years to come, if they want to realize all those plans.

It certainly doesn't feel like a coup........ more like a relief.

[sumtingwong]

Thailand throws the best coups on the planet, bar none.

Even though this is not technically a coup by definition since it was not an illegal seizure of power from a government. It was legal.

coup ko͞o/ noun
noun: coup; plural noun: coups; noun: coup d'état; plural noun: coups d'état; plural noun: coup d'états
1. a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.

[sumtingwong]

I will take the good General Prayuth temporary rule over the Shinawatra dictatorship under the commie PTP any day and twice on Sundays.

What if it proves not to be temporary?

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Then that would be a first for Thailand, so it is not a likely outcome.

[JAG]

According to the general it won't be.

Then there will be an election !

Then with that election the people will elect the government.

Oh that's all right then!

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[Dumu Ali]

International Idiots - cannot solve their own problems so poking their nose in other people business

Thailand is fabulous now and much better for tourists now military have come in and stopped most scams

RESPECT to the THAI MILITARY

[Ricardo]

I am in full support of the Thailand Military and what they had to do.

They began with Martian law, and that did not work, as the politicians did

not give the Military any help, so the coup was the next logical step.

It is a shame that the International medias and governments have not done their homework

and seen why the military had to step in. For us tourists and travellers, life goes on

pretty much the same. I read other Thailand news in reference of Thai Airways and other stories

and it seems to me that some other areas are getting cleaned up as well.

As a tourist/traveller who goes to Thailand almost every year, I am still happy to visit

this country and escape the cold Winter I get back home.

Thanks

Stargeezer9889

"Martian law" , does that only apply to aliens ?

I wish Jonathan Head would report on a visit to North-East England, where it can also sometimes be forbidden, to express your opinions or upset others by displaying an English-flag on St George's Day !

[Piichai]

It looks like international alarm is increasing!

After the session, many journalists and people at the event greeted Weerachon. Some asked to have photos with him. An American television journalist, who asked to have a photo with him, said the spokesman was the "man of the moment". Weerachon had said the NCPO team at the seminar was not skilled in PR, but the journalist disagreed.

He said that although he is neither pro- or anti-coup, he was impressed by some of Weerachon's answers.

Or is it?

[rubl]

International alarm grows more and more ...

"The forum also agreed that the current development has only little impact on business dealings in Thailand, and they are looking forward to strong recovery as the situation has now been stabilized.

JFCCT also urged Thai people to come together with foreign businesses in Thailand and work as a team in pushing forward the recovery Thailand deserves."

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/733734-foreign-investors-expect-economic-recovery-in-thailand-special-report/

The international alarm is not about the Thai economy.

(If you still insist it is, not everybody agrees with the Malaysians and the Norwegians - http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/733690-world-bank-sees-dimmer-thai-economic/)

For many months we were told that the anti-government protests were bad for the economy, bad for Thailand, alarming Foreigners, causing International alarm.

[rubl]

The military government is making some headlines and embarrassing the police. I suspect that if the police, or anyone else, were allowed an unrestricted investigation of the activities and the accounts of the military they could make some headlines as well.

In the real world in Thailand, there's still a curfew, still censorship, still soldiers on the streets and still creepy interruptions of television programs so the junta can announce dozens of names of people required to report to the government.

We still haven't seen the reforms, still don't know what the new constitution will look like, and still don't know when there will be elections. If the international pressure doesn't continue we may not see these things for a long time.

Getting impatient, my dear Brucy?

Would you really feel better if the NCPO suddenly came with the 'reforms' like the Yingluck government suddenly came with it's Blanket Amnesty Bill ? Was the coup really already at least in last month, oh so long ago?

Impatient with the curfew, censorship, soldiers in the streets, and creepy special announcements? In keeping with new forum policies, not at all.

Regarding reforms, a new constitution, and elections, a timeline would be nice. Of course we know that the reforms will have some window dressing restrictions on elected officials passed off as anti-corruption rules with no meaningful visibility into the accounts and operations of the civil service, military, or other traditional institutions. The new constitution will have just enough democracy for appearances sake, but not enough to challenge the traditional institutions.

The main driver to the timeline is obvious to well informed people. I want international pressure to continue to reduce the chances that the military isn't comfortable in power at that time. I can think of no example of an extended period of military rule being good for a country.

You still haven't replied to post #1196 http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/728548-international-alarm-mounts-over-thai-coup/page-48. Do you consider people who encourage others to stay informed using outside news sources to be "agent provocateurs"?

A timeline has been given by Gen. Prayuth, a week or two ago.

Of course some who say they want to know the reforms seem to 'know' already that 'off course' there will be some 'window dressing', whatever that may mean. If no details are yet known as commissions are being formed and the public is being invited to come forward with ideas on reform, any 'knowledge' seems to be 'opinion' only.

As for your question, don't tempt me like that, my dear Brucy. Some may call it baiting. Especially since you already wrote

"Those who are genuinely interested in possible alternative motives of the generals need to check uncensored news sources."

"As far as I know it's still legal to look for news on the web, there's just some information you can't disseminate in Thailand."