Israel prepares for ground military operation, 98 dead in Gaza Strip airstrikes

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Israel prepares for ground military operation, 98 dead in airstrikes

(VOR) As the number of dead and badly injured in airstrikes in the Gaza Strip approaches 100 Friday, Israel has moved three infantry brigades to the borders of the Gaza Strip in preparation for a possible ground offense.

The buildup is to be strengthened by one or two further brigades in the coming days, said Israel military spokesman Peter Lerner. According to Palestinian sources, Israeli attacks by air have so far left 98 people dead in the Gaza Strip.

Ashraf al-Kidra, spokesman for rescue services in the Gaza Strip, said Friday that 670 people in the salient have been injured since the beginning of the Israeli offensive.

And in a sign that the conflict may be spreading, missiles were fired into Israeli territory from Lebanon for the first since Israel launched operation Protective Edge on Tuesday in response to rocket attacks from the Gaza Strip.

According to Lebanese security sources and the country's state-run National News Agency (NNA), two rockets were fired by unknown militants from the outskirts of the town of Mari in Lebanon's south-west.

A third missile in the same region malfunctioned and exploded while still on the launchpad, NNA said, adding that the Lebanese army defused two more rockets.

Full story: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_07_11/Israel-prepares-for-ground-military-operation-98-dead-in-airstrikes-7459/

[voiceor]2014-07-11[/voiceor]

[shirtless]

Another world flashpoint, when are governments going to learn. Isis may be coming so I hope Israel is well prepared.

[Pralaad]

Another world flashpoint, when are governments going to learn. Isis may be coming so I hope Israel is well prepared.

I am certain Israel is better prepaid than Syria or Iraq .

If Isis does come, can only hope Israel will get the credit for wiping them out in days if not hours

[Ulysses G.]

No one would mind if Israel took off the gloves when it comes to ISIS. That would be the end of the new "Caliphate".

[hansnl]

The proof is there.

Hamas uses human shields to stop the IDF to hit them.

Which in fact is a warcrime.

Bastards!

[PoeDogg]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtL5QitoSC0&feature=youtu.behttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtL5QitoSC0&feature=youtu.be

 

[PoeDogg]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXZEzbT0H1s

[Pralaad]

 

Hence the reason for ground invasion. All the terror groups including Hamas and Hezbolah use civilians as human shields to paint Israel in a bad light and use the death if civilians for PR propaganda.

They do not even mourn the killed but rather use their death to justify their actions.

Now funny enough for such patriots and marters like Hamas it's always strange that they are hiding behind the civilians and minimal number of Hamas fighters gets killed.

One would think such brave men would be in front line, instead of hiding behind women and kids

[petermach]

As usual Israel and its great army are doing war against civilians . Reminder , this state is occupying for more than 50 years and stealing land from another country , it does not respect even  basic international laws , it wants to completely annex palestine and does want peace at all, other wise it will not continue to steel land to make new settlements.The result is an apartheid system with ghettos like gaza which has and will have a boomerang effect.

Its lobby is so powerful that they never get international sanctions and are not sue for crime against humanity.

 

[Pralaad]

As usual Israel and its great army are doing war against civilians . Reminder , this state is occupying for more than 50 years and stealing land from another country , it does not respect even  basic international laws , it wants to completely annex palestine and does want peace at all, other wise it will not continue to steel land to make new settlements.The result is an apartheid system with ghettos like gaza which has and will have a boomerang effect.
Its lobby is so powerful that they never get international sanctions and are not sue for crime against humanity.
 

You need to catch up with current times . Israel does not build in Gaza , does not control Gaza , does not want Gaza .

Hamas is in control of Gaza , so your concerns of Gaza being turned into ghetto should be taken up with them and with brothers across the border in Egypt.

May be if Hamas spent all Iranian money on its people instead of financing their terror attacks than Gaza would not be a ghetto

If you going to post hatred at least make sure to have some factual information

[Ulysses G.]

As usual Israel and its great army are doing war against civilians .

Historical and current evidence makes your claims just seem plain silly. Perhaps you should have actually read the rest of the thread before posting such an uninformed rant. There is plenty of proof, right on these pages, that you are badly mistaken. 

[Ulysses G.]

The proof is there.

Hamas uses human shields to stop the IDF to hit them.

Which in fact is a warcrime.

Bastards!

 

Indeed. The Hamas leadership in Gaza is ordering Palestinians to stay in their homes even if they are warned by the Israel Defense Forces to get out before their neighborhood is bombed. “The goal of these actions is to create confusion among the citizens,” the Hamas ministry has said and has instructed “all citizens to not heed these messages from Israel.”

 

 

The IDF has published photographic evidence of the use of human shields by Hamas.
In a screenshot of a television broadcast from July 8, civilians gather on the roof of the home of a Hamas terrorist who was targeted by the IDF. They did so in order to act as human shields and deter an imminent IDF attack, explained the military blog.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/182716#.U8CtPeW7ffI

[Lite Beer]

Gaza toll at 118 in day five of Israeli strikes

GAZA CITY, Palestinian Territories - Thirteen Palestinians have been killed in Israeli air strikes on the Gaza Strip early Saturday, bringing the toll on the fifth day of violence to 118, medics said.

Two were killed in a strike that hit a charitable association for the disabled in Beit Lahiya in northern Gaza, while three others died in a second attack in western Gaza City, local health ministry spokesman Ashraf al-Qudra said.

The deaths of eight more people announced in the early hours of Saturday included one man who died of wounds sustained in an earlier strike.

The others were five people killed in a strike in Jebaliya, in the northern Gaza Strip, and two further south in Deir el Balah, Qudra said.

Local officials said the morning’s raids hit targets that included mosques and homes of Hamas officials, throughout the coastal enclave.

The latest fatalities raise the death toll to 118 since Israel began Operation Protective Edge early Tuesday in an attempt to halt cross-border rocket fire by militant groups.

Since then, militants have fired approximately 520 mortar rounds and rockets that struck Israel, while another 140 rockets were intercepted by the Iron Dome missile defence system, an Israeli army statement said late Friday.

It is the deadliest violence since November 2012, with a growing number of rockets fired at Jerusalem and Tel Aviv and even as far north as Haifa.

So far, no Israelis have been killed.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Gaza-toll-at-118-in-day-five-of-Israeli-strikes-30238349.html

 

[thenation]2014-07-12[/thenation]

[Pakboong]

 

The proof is there.

Hamas uses human shields to stop the IDF to hit them.

Which in fact is a warcrime.

Bastards!

 

Indeed. The Hamas leadership in Gaza is ordering Palestinians to stay in their homes even if they are warned by the Israel Defense Forces to get out before their neighborhood is bombed. “The goal of these actions is to create confusion among the citizens,” the Hamas ministry has said and has instructed “all citizens to not heed these messages from Israel.”

 

 

The IDF has published photographic evidence of the use of human shields by Hamas.
In a screenshot of a television broadcast from July 8, civilians gather on the roof of the home of a Hamas terrorist who was targeted by the IDF. They did so in order to act as human shields and deter an imminent IDF attack, explained the military blog.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/182716#.U8CtPeW7ffI

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I spent several hours looking for pictures of anyone being used as a human shield during the conflict. These are the clearest I could find. The bunch of people standing on the roof of a building is one that I have seen but that particular one doesn't tell me much. 

 

These are the best ones I could find regarding Hamas and its civilians.

 

 

 

If you have any pictures which indicate something other than a bunch of people on a roof, please share. Gaza is a dense population, many consider it the most dense in the world. I know it is supposed to be 140 square miles with 1.7 million inhabitants. that sounds pretty dense to me. It would be vary hard to find a spot to bomb where there is nobody around.
 

 

I guess I tried to include too many pictures as none made the page. I have no idea why.

[Lite Beer]

Thais in Israel warned to take cover at sound or air siren

The Thai embassy in Tel Aviv has warned Thais working in Israel to run for cover immediately at the sound of air siren.

The embassy said Tel Aviv and Jerusalem as well as other important cities in the southern part and near Gaza Strip have been attacks by rockets from Hamas group since late last month and the attacks have been intensified so Thais should be on full alert to avoid being hits by rockets or mortar rounds.

The embassy said when Thais heard air siren, they should run for a bunker or safety room as soon as possible because a rocket could land near them in about 15 or 45 seconds.

Those who do not have access to a bunker should lie down immediately and cover their head with their hands for about ten minutes until they are sure that there will be no more explosions, the embassy advised.

If they are driving, they should leave their vehicle and lie down on the ground far from the vehicle. If they are near a building, they should rush inside it but they should not stand at the doors or they could be hit by rocket shrapnel if a rocket lands near the building. Those who are in a high building, should run down by one or two storeys and stay inside, the embassy advised.

The Thais are also warned to closely monitor announcements from the embassy.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Thais-in-Israel-warned-to-take-cover-at-sound-or-a-30238348.html

 

[thenation]2014-07-12[/thenation]

[Ulysses G.]

If you have any pictures which indicate something other than a bunch of people on a roof, please share.

What exactly are you looking for? If they are acting as human shields, any pictures will probably show them standing on a roof or inside a building. They don't wear special uniforms or anything. Are these what you mean?

 

 

 

 

 

[cup-O-coffee]

 

As usual Israel and its great army are doing war against civilians . Reminder , this state is occupying for more than 50 years and stealing land from another country , it does not respect even  basic international laws , it wants to completely annex palestine and does want peace at all, other wise it will not continue to steel land to make new settlements.The result is an apartheid system with ghettos like gaza which has and will have a boomerang effect.
Its lobby is so powerful that they never get international sanctions and are not sue for crime against humanity.
 

You need to catch up with current times . Israel does not build in Gaza , does not control Gaza , does not want Gaza .

Hamas is in control of Gaza , so your concerns of Gaza being turned into ghetto should be taken up with them and with brothers across the border in Egypt.

May be if Hamas spent all Iranian money on its people instead of financing their terror attacks than Gaza would not be a ghetto

If you going to post hatred at least make sure to have some factual information

 

 

Maybe he does not want to catch up with your times, and you can stuff your "hatred" implication where the Sun doesn't shine. He is not being hateful in my view, but my view is not your view. A bit of truth is refreshing once in awhile, even if the geography is a bit off. That is besides the point, but I am certain you are aware of that, as you are aware that your feelings are just fine and dandy.

 

+1 for petermach
 

[Ulysses G.]

Only one problem with all that. There is barely a smidgen of truth in his post and lots of unjustified anger which could be easily construed as hate. Pretty much every one of his points have been already been refuted on this forum in the last few days. Geography is far from his only error.

[cup-O-coffee]

Only one problem with all that. There is barely a smidgen of truth in his post and lots of unjustified anger which could be easily construed as hate. Geography is far from his only error. 

 

What he said and what I said is about as certifiable as what you are saying. Being able to support what we are all saying depends upon the character of the person, and his or her willingness to focus on an implied or suggested truth, or to focus on refuting that implied or suggested truth, whilst resisting the temptation to digress into ad hominem argumentum.

 

I can't explain why, but when this "hate" crap accusation flies in my face, I get the same feeling as I would imagine a lunatic waving a gun in my face at my merest suggestion of mentioning that his pants are on backwards; and in fact, they are. It has nothing to do with me hating lunatics, yet it is part and parcel for a lunatic to avoid the obvious and focus on avoidance and narcissistic mannerisms.

 

Considering the ramifications of what could happen to the accused when one screams hate, or antisemitism (from a large demographic of non-Semitic people who somehow have it in their minds that they have Semitic genes), it is, as I stated in the prior paragraph as similar as that; a lunatic going off on the slightest of slights and waving a gun in my face.

 

I can understand that a post like his might conjure visions of hate in your mind, but I do not believe that you are that obtuse and weak minded that you would seriously expect me to be convinced or persuaded that you are truly offended; you... an objective and intelligent person.

 

A charade? A ruse? More than likely.

 

So, what a normal person might do in this case is simply disagree and dispense with implications of ludicrous and unprovable thoughts and intentions. That never ever seems to be the case with this topic, and ONLY this topic. Disagree about the Titanic? No problem. Disagree about Atlantis? No problem. But this? Oy Vay!

 

Flashing these trump cards as a first/last effort when a truth is suggested is really getting nauseating, especially when the ones doing it have more than adequately demonstrated a high level of intelligence that logically cannot accommodate narcissistic, paranoid and delusional thinking.

 

Prove to me a present day state of victim hood. Prove that your behaviors are such that they demonstrate a method that would not get your face punched in or a rock thrown at you were you to exercise these behaviors in any other part of the world... say, the Foundation Stone to have been in Norway, or Canada, or the Red Square.

 

Tyranny creates a behavior that is similar to terrorism. Terrorism is another word used as an excuse to murder those we goad to this form of behavior. This behavior could also be interpreted as defending ones land and loved ones. This is simply one of many ways to view it, and I will let myself be the one to interpret that.

 

Translated: don't piss down my back and tell me it's rain, and then accuse me of hating you if I disagree. That might work in the playground with the kids, but it doesn't work with intelligent people, who understand the basic rules of decent and legitimate conversation, debate or disagreeing.

[ggold]

As usual Israel and its great army are doing war against civilians . Reminder , this state is occupying for more than 50 years and stealing land from another country , it does not respect even  basic international laws , it wants to completely annex palestine and does want peace at all, other wise it will not continue to steel land to make new settlements.The result is an apartheid system with ghettos like gaza which has and will have a boomerang effect.

Its lobby is so powerful that they never get international sanctions and are not sue for crime against humanity.

 

 

There is no Palestine. It was a mandated British territory no more. Jordan doesn't lay claim to the West Bank, So Israel has every right to build on those lands. You also seem to forget that even Egypt is not interested in supporting Hamas. And Abbas has said Hamas are wrong. If Israel were waging war on the civilians, there would be a lot more deaths than have been reported. They would not bother with clinical strikes they would bomb the whole area. It is Hamas that are waging war on their own civilians, by using them as human shields.  But I guess it's OK for Arab to kill Arab as in Syria. 

 

 

I would also say, considering Hamas want to destroy Israel, If it were not as strong as it is, It would be Israeli women and children who would be slaughtered. How can it be a crime against Humanity to fight and stop terrorists?

[Baerboxer]

Only one problem with all that. There is barely a smidgen of truth in his post and lots of unjustified anger which could be easily construed as hate. Pretty much every one of his points have been already been refuted on this forum in the last few days. Geography is far from his only error.

 

A somewhat complex problem as we know.

 

I respect Israel's right to exist, protect its territory and to enjoy peace.

 

However, allowing settlements and building on land which isn't theirs, blockading and prohibiting certain items, and  trying to restrict the rights of Palestinian's to be recognized as a country don't promote a peaceful settlement. It can't be all one way traffic - either way.

 

It must be very frustrating dealing with constant terrorist attacks and threats and especially having rockets fired at your cities. But, indiscriminate bombing, shooting, blowing up of property etc - somewhat reminiscent of tactics adopted by the Axis powers in WW2. Their failure to pacify conquered peoples was one of their downfalls. It smacks of revenge rather than prevention - you hit us, we'll hit harder. It is understandable to react like this and very difficult for anyone to propose a different reaction that will be successful. That does not make it right, nor is it likely to succeed in eliminating violence.

 

Israel has on occasion, often under great provocation, acted with a heavy hand and broken internationally recognized laws on occasions. There is no doubt that the powerful Jewish lobbies in  many countries especially the USA have prevented sanctions. Any other nation acting like this would have faced international wrath. But the attacks on Israel are also far more in number, frequency and often brutality. Makes understanding the never ending cycle easier,

 

Both sides have to change significantly. Israel must prevent those elements that steal land as if it's theirs. and support international convention. The Palestinians must recognize the rights of Israel to exist and respect those rights. This dispute has been stoked and manipulated by Islamic extremists for a long time, for their own agendas. Heaven help everyone if the loonies from ISIS get there. 

[Baerboxer]

 

As usual Israel and its great army are doing war against civilians . Reminder , this state is occupying for more than 50 years and stealing land from another country , it does not respect even  basic international laws , it wants to completely annex palestine and does want peace at all, other wise it will not continue to steel land to make new settlements.The result is an apartheid system with ghettos like gaza which has and will have a boomerang effect.

Its lobby is so powerful that they never get international sanctions and are not sue for crime against humanity.

 

 

There is no Palestine. It was a mandated British territory no more. Jordan doesn't lay claim to the West Bank, So Israel has every right to build on those lands. You also seem to forget that even Egypt is not interested in supporting Hamas. And Abbas has said Hamas are wrong. If Israel were waging war on the civilians, there would be a lot more deaths than have been reported. They would not bother with clinical strikes they would bomb the whole area. It is Hamas that are waging war on their own civilians, by using them as human shields.  But I guess it's OK for Arab to kill Arab as in Syria. 

 

 

I would also say, considering Hamas want to destroy Israel, If it were not as strong as it is, It would be Israeli women and children who would be slaughtered. How can it be a crime against Humanity to fight and stop terrorists?

 

 

Hey come on. Even Obama called on Israel to stop allowing more illegal settlements.

 

Fighting terrorists - absolutely agree with you. But there has to be some rules. Or do you suggest anything goes? 

 

Countries should abide by certain internationally agreed rules, and there are limits to what is acceptable.

 

Would you have been so supportive if Britain had adopted the same tactics in Ireland, or the Spanish in their Basque country?

 

Hamas cannot be expected to be treated as a serious political party whilst they call for the destruction of Israel. Anyone engaging in terrorist activities must expect to be killed. But, the acceptable collateral damage and the tactics employed are debatable.

[ggold]

 

 

As usual Israel and its great army are doing war against civilians . Reminder , this state is occupying for more than 50 years and stealing land from another country , it does not respect even  basic international laws , it wants to completely annex palestine and does want peace at all, other wise it will not continue to steel land to make new settlements.The result is an apartheid system with ghettos like gaza which has and will have a boomerang effect.

Its lobby is so powerful that they never get international sanctions and are not sue for crime against humanity.

 

 

There is no Palestine. It was a mandated British territory no more. Jordan doesn't lay claim to the West Bank, So Israel has every right to build on those lands. You also seem to forget that even Egypt is not interested in supporting Hamas. And Abbas has said Hamas are wrong. If Israel were waging war on the civilians, there would be a lot more deaths than have been reported. They would not bother with clinical strikes they would bomb the whole area. It is Hamas that are waging war on their own civilians, by using them as human shields.  But I guess it's OK for Arab to kill Arab as in Syria. 

 

 

I would also say, considering Hamas want to destroy Israel, If it were not as strong as it is, It would be Israeli women and children who would be slaughtered. How can it be a crime against Humanity to fight and stop terrorists?

 

 

Hey come on. Even Obama called on Israel to stop allowing more illegal settlements.

 

Fighting terrorists - absolutely agree with you. But there has to be some rules. Or do you suggest anything goes? 

 

Countries should abide by certain internationally agreed rules, and there are limits to what is acceptable.

 

Would you have been so supportive if Britain had adopted the same tactics in Ireland, or the Spanish in their Basque country?

 

Hamas cannot be expected to be treated as a serious political party whilst they call for the destruction of Israel. Anyone engaging in terrorist activities must expect to be killed. But, the acceptable collateral damage and the tactics employed are debatable.

 

 

I am sure if you asked an Irishman, he would probably say the british did worse, The potato Famine and  colonisation. Even bringing Scottish protestants to control Ireland. It's just that the British have had a few years to paper over their atrocities!

 

It also seems that Israel is expected to accept a terrorist nation on it's door step. Name another country that has or would accept such a situation. The Palestinian question is as much the making of surrounding arab nations  as it was anything to do with the occupation of East Jerusalem or West Bank. So let the Arabs absorb these stateless peoples.

 

 

 

[Jingthing]

Much has been made on the subject of the extreme imbalance between the military of Israel and Hamas. It's obviously true. But I don't think everyone has thought this through. Right now there is a flareup of an extended conflict ... you could even call what's happening right now as a war, not that the word matters. The "scorecard" of deaths/injuries reflects the real imbalance. But this flareup will end and consider the alternative. SUPPOSE both Israel and Hamas had equal military force right now and Hamas was still intent on the destruction of the state of Israel (as is their very clear intent). Just IMAGINE how many more deaths there would be in such a conflict, on BOTH sides. Not hundreds. More like hundreds of thousands. That's my point. The imbalance isn't all bad. Of course for those (and there are clearly some here) who support the Hamas aim of the end of Israel, they might think so many deaths would be worth it if it meant there was a real chance of defeating Israel in a war.

 

As it stands, Israelis will continue to fight for their right to exist and Hamas will continue to fight for the end of Israel. Not a happy situation ... 

[ggold]

 

Only one problem with all that. There is barely a smidgen of truth in his post and lots of unjustified anger which could be easily construed as hate. Pretty much every one of his points have been already been refuted on this forum in the last few days. Geography is far from his only error.

 

A somewhat complex problem as we know.

 

I respect Israel's right to exist, protect its territory and to enjoy peace.

 

However, allowing settlements and building on land which isn't theirs, blockading and prohibiting certain items, and  trying to restrict the rights of Palestinian's to be recognized as a country don't promote a peaceful settlement. It can't be all one way traffic - either way.

 

It must be very frustrating dealing with constant terrorist attacks and threats and especially having rockets fired at your cities. But, indiscriminate bombing, shooting, blowing up of property etc - somewhat reminiscent of tactics adopted by the Axis powers in WW2. Their failure to pacify conquered peoples was one of their downfalls. It smacks of revenge rather than prevention - you hit us, we'll hit harder. It is understandable to react like this and very difficult for anyone to propose a different reaction that will be successful. That does not make it right, nor is it likely to succeed in eliminating violence.

 

Israel has on occasion, often under great provocation, acted with a heavy hand and broken internationally recognized laws on occasions. There is no doubt that the powerful Jewish lobbies in  many countries especially the USA have prevented sanctions. Any other nation acting like this would have faced international wrath. But the attacks on Israel are also far more in number, frequency and often brutality. Makes understanding the never ending cycle easier,

 

Both sides have to change significantly. Israel must prevent those elements that steal land as if it's theirs. and support international convention. The Palestinians must recognize the rights of Israel to exist and respect those rights. This dispute has been stoked and manipulated by Islamic extremists for a long time, for their own agendas. Heaven help everyone if the loonies from ISIS get there. 

 

 

Both sides have to change significantly. Israel must prevent those elements that steal land as if it's theirs. and support international convention. The Palestinians must recognize the rights of Israel to exist and respect those rights. This dispute has been stoked and manipulated by Islamic extremists for a long time, for their own agendas. Heaven help everyone if the loonies from ISIS get there.

 

 

The Palestinians have had a chance, In fact more than one chance to accept a peace deal with Israel. But in the end have made more demands. You should ask yourself why this is after nearly fifty years. The answer is because they don't really want Israel to be in existence.  

 

 

http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=466     "This official PA map of "Palestine” was broadcast on PA TV in September 2011. The map includes both the PA areas and all of Israel"

 

 

 

 

[Ulysses G.]

Only one problem with all that. There is barely a smidgen of truth in his post and lots of unjustified anger which could be easily construed as hate. Geography is far from his only error.

 
What he said and what I said is about as certifiable as what you are saying.

Wrong. Most of what he said is easily proven wrong and you referred to it as "truth" which means that you agree with him. You are entitled to your own opinions - no matter how misguided they may be - but not your own facts. As I said before, all of his points have already been refuted on this forum, but it never hurts to do it again.

1). "As usual Israel and its great army are doing war against civilians."

Israel is targeting Hamas terrorists that are shooting hundreds of rockets into civilian areas of Israel and they are warning civilians to leave the area before they do it. They drop pamphlets, make phone calls to the occupants of buildings and drop a warning missile first to warn everyone that a real bomb is next. In fact, Israel does everything they can to avoid civilian casualties - while the Palestinians target civilians on purpose.
What other country would take these measures when combating vicious terrorists that have been elected and supported by the very civilians that they are hiding behind?
 
2)  "it does not respect even basic international laws"
 
It respects a lot of international laws, but disagrees with others, like a lot of other countries. Britain, the USA, Russia and Australia have all been accused of breaking international laws, along with loads of other countries. The Palestinians break international laws routinely. 
 
3)   "it wants to completely annex Palestine and does want peace at all, other wise it will not continue to steel land to make new settlements"
 
If Israel wanted to get rid of all the Palestinians, they could have done it long ago. They have beaten them in military conflicts over and over again. They could have easily driven them out of the area completely and - IMO - probably should have. If Israel "does not want peace", why have they offered peace deal after peace deal, for the last 60 years, which the Arabs have always refused? 
As far as the settlements go, Israel has dismantled them before and traded land for peace. There is no reason to think that they are not willing to do it again, if the other side will finally sign a peace deal and stick to it. 
 
4) "The result is an apartheid system with ghettos like gaza which has and will have a boomerang effect."
 
Not even close. Actually, 20% of the citizens are Palestinian Arabs with full voting rights and representation in the government. In fact, an Arab sits on the Supreme Court of the land. Calling Israel out for "Apartheid" shows that you don't know what "Apartheid" is. The Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are not citizens of Israel and don't want to be. In fact, they are the enemy.
 
4) "its lobby is so powerful that they never get international sanctions and are not sue for crime against humanity."
 
Huh? Israel has UN resolutions passed against it constantly. In fact, in 2013 the hypocritical U.N. General Assembly adopted a total of 21 resolutions singling out Israel for criticism and only 4 resolutions on the rest of the world combined - which of course is completely ridiculous.
There were zero UNGA resolutions on gross and systematic abuses committed by China, Cuba, Egypt, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Zimbabwe, nor on many other major perpetrators of grave violations of human rights.

[up-country_sinclair]

The nations of the world are again speaking out about Israeli aggression:
 

 

The EU earlier this week said it "strongly condemns the indiscriminate fire into Israel by militant groups in the Gaza strip", and "deplores the growing number of civilian casualties, reportedly among them children, caused by Israeli retaliatory fire".

 

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/10/gza-cannot-afford-all-out-war-ban-ki-moon-hamas-israel

 

 

 

US President Obama needs to follow his conscience on this and do what is right: AIPAC be damned.

[Ulysses G.]

Terror groups or freedom fighters ?

"Terrorism is the deliberate use of violence aimed against civilians in order to achieve political ends."

Hamas are a terrorist group. They purposely target innocent civilians.

[Pralaad]

Only one problem with all that. There is barely a smidgen of truth in his post and lots of unjustified anger which could be easily construed as hate. Geography is far from his only error. 

 
What he said and what I said is about as certifiable as what you are saying. Being able to support what we are all saying depends upon the character of the person, and his or her willingness to focus on an implied or suggested truth, or to focus on refuting that implied or suggested truth, whilst resisting the temptation to digress into ad hominem argumentum.
 
I can't explain why, but when this "hate" crap accusation flies in my face, I get the same feeling as I would imagine a lunatic waving a gun in my face at my merest suggestion of mentioning that his pants are on backwards; and in fact, they are. It has nothing to do with me hating lunatics, yet it is part and parcel for a lunatic to avoid the obvious and focus on avoidance and narcissistic mannerisms.
 
Considering the ramifications of what could happen to the accused when one screams hate, or antisemitism (from a large demographic of non-Semitic people who somehow have it in their minds that they have Semitic genes), it is, as I stated in the prior paragraph as similar as that; a lunatic going off on the slightest of slights and waving a gun in my face.
 
I can understand that a post like his might conjure visions of hate in your mind, but I do not believe that you are that obtuse and weak minded that you would seriously expect me to be convinced or persuaded that you are truly offended; you... an objective and intelligent person.
 
A charade? A ruse? More than likely.
 
So, what a normal person might do in this case is simply disagree and dispense with implications of ludicrous and unprovable thoughts and intentions. That never ever seems to be the case with this topic, and ONLY this topic. Disagree about the Titanic? No problem. Disagree about Atlantis? No problem. But this? Oy Vay!
 
Flashing these trump cards as a first/last effort when a truth is suggested is really getting nauseating, especially when the ones doing it have more than adequately demonstrated a high level of intelligence that logically cannot accommodate narcissistic, paranoid and delusional thinking.
 
Prove to me a present day state of victim hood. Prove that your behaviors are such that they demonstrate a method that would not get your face punched in or a rock thrown at you were you to exercise these behaviors in any other part of the world... say, the Foundation Stone to have been in Norway, or Canada, or the Red Square.
 
Tyranny creates a behavior that is similar to terrorism. Terrorism is another word used as an excuse to murder those we goad to this form of behavior. This behavior could also be interpreted as defending ones land and loved ones. This is simply one of many ways to view it, and I will let myself be the one to interpret that.
 
Translated: don't piss down my back and tell me it's rain, and then accuse me of hating you if I disagree. That might work in the playground with the kids, but it doesn't work with intelligent people, who understand the basic rules of decent and legitimate conversation, debate or disagreeing.

You have posted a lot, only said nothing.

How about just come out and say what you want to say

[Pralaad]

 

 

Hence the reason for ground invasion. All the terror groups including Hamas and Hezbolah use civilians as human shields to paint Israel in a bad light and use the death if civilians for PR propaganda.

They do not even mourn the killed but rather use their death to justify their actions.

Now funny enough for such patriots and marters like Hamas it's always strange that they are hiding behind the civilians and minimal number of Hamas fighters gets killed.

One would think such brave men would be in front line, instead of hiding behind women and kids
 

Terror groups or freedom fighters ? There are 2 sides on every story.

Freedom fighters target civilians and put women and kids infront of them??

More like cowards is the correct term to use