condo/apt owners now must register foreign tenants?

[BlueEasySleep]

I rent a condo, and the owner is very worried because they say there's a new rule that they must submit some paperwork by August or they'll need to report to the police.

All because a foreigner is renting their condo.

Is this true that anyone renting to a foreigner must register that fact to the govt now?

[LivinLOS]

Seems yes.. Old rule, just starting to be enforced more strictly.

Of course there wouldnt be any condo owners out there not paying income taxes on rents would there

[skatewash]

I believe that rule has been in effect for quite some time, but it has rarely been enforced. However, to be legal your condo unit owner should submit the following form to the local immigration office: http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/download/pdf/tm30.pdf

[PoorSucker]

It has always been like this, but not enforced.

They must fill out form TM30 to immigrations within 24 hours of a foreigner resides in the resident.

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/base.php?page=alienstay

[LivinLOS]

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/745069-all-foreignors-in-villas-to-register-with-immig-now/

[craigp]

It has always been like this, but not enforced.

They must fill out form TM30 to immigrations within 24 hours of a foreigner resides in the resident.

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/base.php?page=alienstay

If they don't, (Possibly because they don't know) what would be the possible consequences for the tenant and landlord?

[Mario2008]

Both can get a fine for not reporting.

[Pattaya46]

what would be the possible consequences for the tenant and landlord?

Both can get a fine for not reporting.

Both?

Seems to me it's the responsibility of the house-master only ??

How could the tenant know if the owner made - or not - the reporting ?

BTW the fine is said to be 2'000 baht in this topic: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/745069-all-foreignors-in-villas-to-register-with-immig-now/

Edited July 27, 2014 by Pattaya46

[LivinLOS]

Both can get a fine for not reporting.

The tenant has a responsibility to ensure this happens beyond simply doing their own 90 day reports ??

[INV]

I don't think tenant have any responsibility to do anything, if there is not a different rules for condo rental VS rent rum in hotel/guesthouse.In hotel its the hotel owners problem and not the guests and I think same in condo, house or were ever you stay:

[TerryLH]

"The tenant has a responsibility to ensure this happens beyond simply doing their own 90 day reports ??"

Yes, there is a separate form for this. TM28.

[craigp]

Recently I've had to get a copy of my land lords Talian Ban and his ID to show immigration for an extension based upon marriage, plus the rental agreement (that's in my wife's name). Yes, I'll have to report every 90 days after that, but my landlord seems unaware of anything else he should be doing regarding renting to a Thai and her farang husband.

[AnotherOneAmerican]

Recently I've had to get a copy of my land lords Talian Ban and his ID to show immigration for an extension based upon marriage, plus the rental agreement (that's in my wife's name). Yes, I'll have to report every 90 days after that, but my landlord seems unaware of anything else he should be doing regarding renting to a Thai and her farang husband.

Depends on the rental contract, you say contract in your wife's name.

So not the landlord's problem.

Thai lady has the problem for allowing a foreigner to live with her.

Up to your wife to make the immigration report.

[craigp]

Recently I've had to get a copy of my land lords Talian Ban and his ID to show immigration for an extension based upon marriage, plus the rental agreement (that's in my wife's name). Yes, I'll have to report every 90 days after that, but my landlord seems unaware of anything else he should be doing regarding renting to a Thai and her farang husband.

Depends on the rental contract, you say contract in your wife's name.

So not the landlord's problem.

Thai lady has the problem for allowing a foreigner to live with her.

Up to your wife to make the immigration report.

ok, thanks for the advise. I am her husband, not just some foreigner. When we go to do the marriage extension, I'll get her to ask about this TM30 form. I would have thought this would have been part of the extension requirements, but no mention of a TM30 looking through the list.

[BlueEasySleep]

Last year I didn't do the tm30 and didn't get fined. I think they're enforcing it now.

[KittenKong]

Both can get a fine for not reporting.

Presumably putting the correct address on the arrival card takes care of this requirement for the tenant (or an owner-occupier)? Unless of course he moves to some other address.

[AYJAYDEE]

Recently I've had to get a copy of my land lords Talian Ban and his ID to show immigration for an extension based upon marriage, plus the rental agreement (that's in my wife's name). Yes, I'll have to report every 90 days after that, but my landlord seems unaware of anything else he should be doing regarding renting to a Thai and her farang husband.

Depends on the rental contract, you say contract in your wife's name.

So not the landlord's problem.

Thai lady has the problem for allowing a foreigner to live with her.

Up to your wife to make the immigration report.

ok, thanks for the advise. I am her husband, not just some foreigner. When we go to do the marriage extension, I'll get her to ask about this TM30 form. I would have thought this would have been part of the extension requirements, but no mention of a TM30 looking through the list.

when we arrive at our house each november for the winter stay, we report to the local police station as there is no immigration office handy

[craigp]

Local police station ? What do they know about immigration rules ? Where's ubonjoe when you need him? Lol.

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[AYJAYDEE]

Local police station ? What do they know about immigration rules ? Where's ubonjoe when you need him? Lol.

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provincial immigration office told us to do it that way and if you look at Form TM30 you will find"

:

tm30.doc

Edited July 27, 2014 by AYJAYDEE

[craigp]

Fair enough. I just thought the extension based on marriage requirements would have been enough. I'll dig deeper into this at immigration next week

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[Maestro]

Section 38 of the Immigration Act says that the house-master, the owner or the possessor must make the notification, for which the form TM.30 has been designed.

It looks like one of those wishy-washy clauses you find in many laws, in many countries. When I rent an apartment, how I am I to know that the owner is not making the notification?

If a case is brought to court for a violation of this clause, the judge will have to interpret the law. I were the judge, I would look at the order in which the three parties are listed and I would say that if you are the house-master, eg the manager of a hotel, you have to make the notification, otherwise if you are the owner, you have to make it, otherwise if you are the possessor, you have to make it.

What is a possessor? If you rent a residence or have a usufruct for its use, you are the house-master and the possessor rolled into one and you have to make the notification.

If your wife rents the residence in which you live, she is the house-master and possessor and has to make the notification.

If your wife owns the residence, she is the house-master, the owner and the possessor and has to make the notification.

If you own the residence where you live, you are the house-master, the owner and the possessor and you have to make the notification.

There is no guarantee that another judge would interprete it the same way.

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[cassde]

I reside with my Thai wife in our jointly owned condo. When I recently obtained a 12 months extension from CW, they stapled a Receipt of Notification form in the back of my passport - it reads ' Have received notification of Alien's address from (me, total 1 person) - who notify the residence where aliens have stayed - dated 8.7.2014 and signed by the Immigration Officer. That would seem to satisfy the reporting regulation.

[AYJAYDEE]

I reside with my Thai wife in our jointly owned condo. When I recently obtained a 12 months extension from CW, they stapled a Receipt of Notification form in the back of my passport - it reads ' Have received notification of Alien's address from (me, total 1 person) - who notify the residence where aliens have stayed - dated 8.7.2014 and signed by the Immigration Officer. That would seem to satisfy the reporting regulation.

but if u leave the country and re-enter, they require re-notification.

[ubonjoe]

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[cassde]

Ayjaydee, surely that is undertaken on the TM6 - arrival / departure card?

[ubonjoe]

I reside with my Thai wife in our jointly owned condo. When I recently obtained a 12 months extension from CW, they stapled a Receipt of Notification form in the back of my passport - it reads ' Have received notification of Alien's address from (me, total 1 person) - who notify the residence where aliens have stayed - dated 8.7.2014 and signed by the Immigration Officer. That would seem to satisfy the reporting regulation.

but if u leave the country and re-enter, they require re-notification.

I think that would be subject to interpretation of the rule. Unless you were to change your residence here another notification should not be needed. But evidently some immigration officers see it a different way.

[rwhoov]

Recently I've had to get a copy of my land lords Talian Ban and his ID to show immigration for an extension based upon marriage, plus the rental agreement (that's in my wife's name). Yes, I'll have to report every 90 days after that, but my landlord seems unaware of anything else he should be doing regarding renting to a Thai and her farang husband.

Depends on the rental contract, you say contract in your wife's name.

So not the landlord's problem.

Thai lady has the problem for allowing a foreigner to live with her.

Up to your wife to make the immigration report.

Isn't this getting just a bit ridiculous? A wife having to report her husband to immigration because she's renting an apartment? I'd like to see that enforced! LOL

[ubonjoe]

Ayjaydee, surely that is undertaken on the TM6 - arrival / departure card?

The arrival card does no serve as a notification of where you are staying.

[AYJAYDEE]

I reside with my Thai wife in our jointly owned condo. When I recently obtained a 12 months extension from CW, they stapled a Receipt of Notification form in the back of my passport - it reads ' Have received notification of Alien's address from (me, total 1 person) - who notify the residence where aliens have stayed - dated 8.7.2014 and signed by the Immigration Officer. That would seem to satisfy the reporting regulation.

but if u leave the country and re-enter, they require re-notification.

I think that would be subject to interpretation of the rule. Unless you were to change your residence here another notification should not be needed. But evidently some immigration officers see it a different way.

In our case we leave for 8 months and then return for four and the local immigration officials have specifically instructed us to report when we get back each time.

Edited July 28, 2014 by AYJAYDEE

[AYJAYDEE]

Recently I've had to get a copy of my land lords Talian Ban and his ID to show immigration for an extension based upon marriage, plus the rental agreement (that's in my wife's name). Yes, I'll have to report every 90 days after that, but my landlord seems unaware of anything else he should be doing regarding renting to a Thai and her farang husband.

Depends on the rental contract, you say contract in your wife's name.

So not the landlord's problem.

Thai lady has the problem for allowing a foreigner to live with her.

Up to your wife to make the immigration report.

Isn't this getting just a bit ridiculous? A wife having to report her husband to immigration because she's renting an apartment? I'd like to see that enforced! LOL

i've seen it enforced