Red shirts in Japan ‘plot’ against coup

[seajae]

come on guys, everyone knows the red skirts lack the guts to do anything when they have not got the police and the govt backing their every move with a get out of jail card. These pathetic wimps are doing this overseas because they are to cowardly to do it here, besides they only protest in Thailand when they can blow up kids and women and not have anyone chase them. Too many of them have been caught now so the rest of the red terrorists have run overseas to avoid jail time just like their organizer thaksin. Our own tv reds just cant help themselves so they have to sprook bullsh*t and spread their innuendo/untruths, after all, it what their red cheat sheets tell them to do because they lack the intelligence to think for themselves..

[JAG]

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You remind me of a movie called 'The Stupid'.

Stick to your sticky rice in essan!!!! Good riddance to the red shirt problem!!!!! They dare not attempt to bother the military only like to cause problems like 2010 in Bangkok. They should have been shot on sight as soon as they started making trouble in Bangkok!!!! This general is a very smart man and will not be pushed around by anyone!!! about time Thailand had a good leader. Wish we had one in America!!!

Shooting them on sight eh? No doubt where your sympathies lie! I dare say sooner or later they will start shooting people, which no doubt you will applaud.

[bkkfaranguy]

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Of course, there will be opposition, it is a military dictatorship against the party that won six straight elections. Corrupt, you bet but they win every time. The Army never know when to let go of power. They are essentially a reactionary power preserving the current wealth and power balance within society.

It will end in the army killing protestors, probably in around a couple of years, almost certainly in Central BKK, Ratchadamnoen, somewhere like that and that will act as a catalyst for the return to the barracks. It is a Thai political cycle that repeats itself over and over.

I agree history just keeps repeating its self as the elite do not like loosing there control and power, after its all said and done like past generals that have done their bidding they will be well rewarded and given a top level position at True or Singha like the 92 General who massacred around 1500 peaceful Thai protesters.

[bangrak]

So, seems the passports of these roaches have not yet been revoked, why not? Let that little group try to be admitted as 'refugees' in Japan, fat chance, and the ones who would succeed might regret it, as the Japanese authorities have no sense of humour at all in their interpretation of 'the beneficiary should refrain from any kind of political activitity while enjoying the hospitality and being authorised to temporarily stay on the soil of'...!

[bangrak]

I guess these bunch of losers didn't get the memo from their boss from Dubai! Stop making trouble or they'll freeze my money!

I guess that "bunch" of losers are exercising their democratic right to criticise what they regard as a self appointed "government" in a country where they are still able to demonstrate that right.

fab4.... hold it right there... people of Thailand do not have any democratic rights at this period of time... they sold those rights for 500 bahts along with their votes for the Shinewatras... By voting in the most corrupt government hopefully Thailand will ever have. The military took over bloodlessly to end the crisis brought on by that same corrupt government which almost ripped this country apart. And thank God this military took over to stop what would have been civil war and many deaths... or should I say many more deaths as the Red Shirts had already started notching up their score.. Viva el General... and a pox on Red Shirt appologists... Shame on you...!

"people of Thailand do not have any democratic rights at this period of time"

Well, that was kind of my point.

When did the people of Thailand, ever, have any democratic rights worth the name, I mean REAL democratic rights, you permanent hypocrite?

[bangrak]

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Did you know the man in Dubai has two Face, may be more

You mean like that famous (Danish?) caricature of some 'profet' as a dog with three faces?

[northernjohn]

Because like all the rest of them he knows damn well what the result would be. That's why the election in February just had to be stopped. The Junta is the result of that process.

Strange, I remember that those northern electorates which gave a result without interference didn't look at all good for PTP. Low turnout, high invalid vote count. Best forgotten, eh?

Let us not forget the three by-elections in PTP strongholds where the Democrats won two and the one they lost was the one in Chiang Mai to Thaksin's sister. Even at that she didn't win by as many as her predecessor. The writing was on the wall for the PTP and their supporters.

For those who think Democracy is the greatest thing going take note those three by-elections were done Democratically.

[Baerboxer]

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Of course, there will be opposition, it is a military dictatorship against the party that won six straight elections. Corrupt, you bet but they win every time. The Army never know when to let go of power. They are essentially a reactionary power preserving the current wealth and power balance within society.

It will end in the army killing protestors, probably in around a couple of years, almost certainly in Central BKK, Ratchadamnoen, somewhere like that and that will act as a catalyst for the return to the barracks. It is a Thai political cycle that repeats itself over and over.

I agree history just keeps repeating its self as the elite do not like loosing there control and power, after its all said and done like past generals that have done their bidding they will be well rewarded and given a top level position at True or Singha like the 92 General who massacred around 1500 peaceful Thai protesters.

The elite have never lost power. It just moves around between different factions of them. The Shin gang and their allies have lost out at the moment. You do realize they are a billionaire elite family who enjoy a very elite life style don't you?

Nothing to do with democracy, the people, helping the poor or anything remotely related to it. Elite families vying for power, face and control. That's why history repeats - the faces change but the games the same.

[northernjohn]

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I guess that "bunch" of losers are exercising their democratic right to criticise what they regard as a self appointed "government" in a country where they are still able to demonstrate that right.

You will of course note that the Japanese government being far more in touch with reality than you are ignored them. As for self appointed government.

What other logical choice did Thailand have.

I know you consider increasing corruption and working to bring in a convicted criminal to be a dictator is logical.

But let's face it sorry to say (not really alt=tongue.png>) you are in the minority. alt=wai.gif width=20 height=20>

You know, I can't recall where I have ever stated a belief that "increasing corruption and working to bring in a convicted criminal to be a dictator is logical."

Would you like to apologise for lying now, or later?

The minute after you admit you were wrong in supporting the PTP. After all that was what they were all about.

Also at taking every cheap[ shot you could get at the new government.

I am waiting.

[Baerboxer]

I guess these bunch of losers didn't get the memo from their boss from Dubai! Stop making trouble or they'll freeze my money!

I guess that "bunch" of losers are exercising their democratic right to criticise what they regard as a self appointed "government" in a country where they are still able to demonstrate that right.

The only people disgruntled at the moment are those that that were living outside the law and it's being corrected slowly but surely, the red mafias grip on Thailand is no more and good ridence

You clearly are not aware of the views of many in the Democrat Party leadership which is very far from being happy with the current situation.But I suppose in the crazed world of some foreigners people like Abhisit and Korn are in the pay of Thaksin.

And you know all their views? Are you a member of the Democrat party leadership team? Do they confide in you?

Or just another one of your "subjective" assertions which seem to chip at the NCPO at the moment?

[bangrak]

For a while this forum was nice but now the red propaganda machine is turning it sour again

Ah yes, because one must be a Red to oppose fascism.

More toothless name-calling from the apologists.

How old are you, where do you come from, what do you know about History? About fascism, very little, I'm afraid, step out of the propaganda, LEARN a bit, and you will understand, maybe, why many saw an upcoming fascist dictatorship in what the Shins were building up. In your, personal, opinion, does North Korea have a democratic, or communist, or fascist regime (outside of a lunatic dictatorship)? See, I think you're learning a bit already...

[love1012]

I guess these bunch of losers didn't get the memo from their boss from Dubai! Stop making trouble or they'll freeze my money!

I guess that "bunch" of losers are exercising their democratic right to criticise what they regard as a self appointed "government" in a country where they are still able to demonstrate that right.

I guess this bunch of losers havent realised how much the junta is doing a better job than their cheating swindling lying theiving bunch of culprits did - the ones that shot demonstrators killed farmers and had to be removed

[fab4]

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You know, I can't recall where I have ever stated a belief that "increasing corruption and working to bring in a convicted criminal to be a dictator is logical."

Would you like to apologise for lying now, or later?

The minute after you admit you were wrong in supporting the PTP. After all that was what they were all about.

Also at taking every cheap[ shot you could get at the new government.

I am waiting.

Apparently my reply was censored not suitable for publication, but I think you could guess the drift of it.

[love1012]

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You remind me of a movie called 'The Stupid'.

flaming posters again in true red shirt style are we sticky? The junta has done more good for the country in two months than the tin pot shinawatras did in 18 years - grow up and stop making yourself look stupid!

[love1012]

I guess these bunch of losers didn't get the memo from their boss from Dubai! Stop making trouble or they'll freeze my money!

I guess that "bunch" of losers are exercising their democratic right to criticise what they regard as a self appointed "government" in a country where they are still able to demonstrate that right.

You will of course note that the Japanese government being far more in touch with reality than you are ignored them. As for self appointed government.

What other logical choice did Thailand have.

I know you consider increasing corruption and working to bring in a convicted criminal to be a dictator is logical.

But let's face it sorry to say (not really) you are in the minority.

You know, I can't recall where I have ever stated a belief that "increasing corruption and working to bring in a convicted criminal to be a dictator is logical."

Would you like to apologise for lying now, or later?

it was the message you sent in every rancid post youve ever made - apology accepted fab4

[love1012]

Fascist apologists look the same the world over;

Open with ridicule and then accuse the other of affiliating with one presumed enemy or the other- never approaching any form of relevant argument.

Sad, really.

Fortunately there are, few though they seem to be, people with bith brains and guts.

Has these rightwingers trembling in their jackboots.

Yes we all saw a sample of their brains and guts in Bangkok in 2010.

I notice the guts are no longer there. Cowering idiots are what they are. Yes they are reduced to being laughable.

Sadly for an unfortunate number of people who had a different viewpoint to the government of the time, those brains and guts were all too visible on the streets of Bangkok.

I suppose the same might be said about the people demonstrating against the last government, only they didn't have a militia dressed in black and an entire nation wide police force working to protect them.

we not do, we not do we led shirt we good people!!!!!!!!!!!

[love1012]

I guess these bunch of losers didn't get the memo from their boss from Dubai! Stop making trouble or they'll freeze my money!

I guess that "bunch" of losers are exercising their democratic right to criticise what they regard as a self appointed "government" in a country where they are still able to demonstrate that right.

They can criticise all they want amongst themselves nobody else wants to hear it and Thailand is better off for it too

The only people disgruntled at the moment are those that that were living outside the law and it's being corrected slowly but surely, the red mafias grip on Thailand is no more and good ridence

"no-one wants to hear it" I think that the government of my home country shares a similar point of view, given that they have blocked the junta leaders from visiting.

Looking closer to home, if so many people love the coup, then why doesn't Prayuth stand for election and get international legitimacy for his leadership?

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because the vile one in dubai will corrupt the result again like he always does - do you not listen to anything??

[heybruce]

“The National Council for Peace and Order is unlikely to lift the martial law in the near future as groups campaigning against the junta have been detected both in Thailand and abroad.” - The Nation 2014-09-05

“If anti-coup activists escalate their activities, the regional armies will have to step up measures to contain the situation,”

“… all measures to contain anti-coup groups must be in line with Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha's policy to minimise unnecessary conflict for the NCPO …”

Meanwhile the Junta plans to put forth its candidacy for membership in the United Nations Human Rights Council next year. If the Junta continues its vigorous track record for suppression of freedom of speech under martial law, no matter how noble such actions might be, leaders of other nations may not find it an enduring quality in candidates for HRC. The Junta should consider a more restrained and civil approach to countering criticisms without the support of martial law or give up the idea that it is some kind of bastion for democracy.

Name me one country that has freedom of speech. They all have a limit on what is allowed to be printed. Some more than others. You might have missed it but you had the freedom to print your condemnation of them.

I rest my case.

The question was name me one country that has freedom of speech. Not comparisons between them. thought I would mention that before you tried to avoid the question.

Every country has some limits on freedom of speech--you can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater and stuff like that. I can name many countries where people are free to criticize their government, but Thailand isn't one of them.

[heybruce]

Because like all the rest of them he knows damn well what the result would be. That's why the election in February just had to be stopped. The Junta is the result of that process.

Strange, I remember that those northern electorates which gave a result without interference didn't look at all good for PTP. Low turnout, high invalid vote count. Best forgotten, eh?

Yes, the PTP was at a low point in popularity. They would have been seriously weakened if there had been an election in July. The country would have matured as a democracy. There are many reasons why an election would have been preferable to a coup, and the military could have easily ensured a peaceful election. For some reason they didn't want Thailand to have another elected government. I wonder why.

[heybruce]

Because like all the rest of them he knows damn well what the result would be. That's why the election in February just had to be stopped. The Junta is the result of that process.

Strange, I remember that those northern electorates which gave a result without interference didn't look at all good for PTP. Low turnout, high invalid vote count. Best forgotten, eh?

Let us not forget the three by-elections in PTP strongholds where the Democrats won two and the one they lost was the one in Chiang Mai to Thaksin's sister. Even at that she didn't win by as many as her predecessor. The writing was on the wall for the PTP and their supporters.

For those who think Democracy is the greatest thing going take note those three by-elections were done Democratically.

Careful, you're presenting an argument against the coup.

I agree the writing was on the wall for the PTP, they would have been seriously weakened by the July election because the Thai people were getting disgusted by their incompetence. Too bad the military chose to stage a coup instead of making it clear they wanted peaceful, fair elections.

[Tanlic]

I guess these bunch of losers didn't get the memo from their boss from Dubai! Stop making trouble or they'll freeze my money!

I guess that "bunch" of losers are exercising their democratic right to criticise what they regard as a self appointed "government" in a country where they are still able to demonstrate that right.

I guess this bunch of losers havent realised how much the junta is doing a better job than their cheating swindling lying theiving bunch of culprits did - the ones that shot demonstrators killed farmers and had to be removed

They're making a great job of hogging the TV stations yak yak yacking and annoying the sh!t out of people waiting to see their favouvirite Thai soap.

There's a lot more police sitting on their backsides down lower Sukhumvit none of who seem to be able to notice guys selling viagra etc from pitches they have set up not have they noticed the ones laying out the same goods they were selling from a stall on shop window sills.

As for the running of finances goes I wish I had a crystal ball to know what they are doing........can I borrow yours?

[Pundi6446]

writing a letter is now 'plotting against the coup'.

"opposition" to the junta has been the excuse for keeping martial law.

the junta is paranoid.

"Gen Udomdej warned the NCPO's opponents intend to spread false rumours about the situation in Thailand, instructing security officials and the Foreign Ministry to correct this misinformation with the international community."

ah, the ministry of truth needs to kick into high-gear.

"He called on parties concerned to undertake public relations activities to firmly convey the fact that the NCPO has never used force or torture against people detained under martial law."

clearly the junta is going to continue with their blanket denials. This needs to be addressed outside of the influence of the junta.

"Meanwhile, NCPO deputy chief and navy commander Adm Narong Pipathanasai, who also serves as education minister,"

alright kiddies, this is the man re-writing the text books for you.

They should be paranoid.

They, like all dictatorial regimes, are outnumbered 100/1.

Fear the day people realize that and stand up for themselves.

Sadly, the only people sense to see the junta for what it is have left the country.

Oh not all, have left the country

[englishoak]

Not paranoid much then ?

[borisloosebrain]

Despite thoroughly enjoying happy hour every Friday night with P Prayuth for the past few months and agreeing with him on many points I also find myself questioning the wisdom of effectively suspending the right of 60+ million people to think and discourse freely and to determine their own destiny. However my wife finds him and his candidness a breath of fresh air and I admit I too enjoy that we are both now a little more equal, in that we are both unable to vote. So party on power brokers enjoy your moments of glory...as if you won't, cos down here the song remains the same. I came for the beach I stayed for the smiles.

[bobmac10]

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You remind me of a movie called 'The Stupid'.

Gerry not really up to speed.... ever,.... read his posts

[wandasloan]

Personally have little or no interest who is running this country, even after five years in Thailand I am still more interested in the politics of UK and Australasia than I ever will be in some impossible system I don't understand or care about. Basically as long as my life with my wife is not disrupted during the time I am here then the little green men from Mars can run Thailand for all I care.

However it is interesting how Thailand has totally disappeared from the news reporting of the online services of the English speaking world [snip] [snip]

A little self-righteous, there. You can't be bothered reading about Thailand. That has nothing to do with international reporting on Thailand, which has NOT "totally disappeared" or disappeared or lessened or changed in any manner.

It's all about you. You should have stopped after your first ego-boosting paragraph. "It's not my fault" is everywhere. But it IS your fault that you can't be bothered reading news reports about where you live. Claiming in 2014 IN AN INTERNET POST that news about Thailand has "totally disappeared" is quite a comment about you.

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[mikemac]

They should be paranoid.

They, like all dictatorial regimes, are outnumbered 100/1.

Fear the day people realize that and stand up for themselves.

Sadly, the only people sense to see the junta for what it is have left the country.

The ones who have "left the country" are the crims with something to hide, the ones who were happily getting away with it under the PTP.

Yet another good thing about the Military coup, flushed the rats out of the house and back to the sewers.

[bobmac10]

He did stand for election, he won.

He was the only candidate and was unanimously voted in. Not too many PM's in other countries can say that.

Strangely the international community think it's a little suspect.

Not too many Prime Ministers can say that their government was "run" by a wanted criminal, either. Or that they did, or did not do, what Yingluck has and are still free to walk the streets.

And do you really think that the international community is not aware of what the Shinawatra regime has done to the country since taking power ?

Don't you think they know about Thaksin's criminal charges and the fact that he orchestrated and funded the failed "coup" of 2010 which resulted in so many deaths, and broke so many laws ?

The last two Military coups have been bloodless coups, and if anything have stopped the killings and put the country on the right track, instead of tolerating this mindless corruption that goes hand in hand with anything associated with the Shinawatras.

Red defenders say that corruption has been a part of Thai culture long before the Shins came along. A pathetic defense in my opinion.

Cancer has been around a long time as well but there are people all over the world trying to find a cure for it, it is not tolerated just because it has been around a long time.

Your constant attacks of the junta, which are against forum rules, do nothing but remind us how bent the PTP were.

You may be surprised what the international community thinks.

Gee Mike, the only problem you have is your lack of a second eye.

The Dems ran Thailand with the help of the military for 50 years plus and corruption was institutionalised.

Now they want it back again (with the help of the military) because they can't get elected.

i doubt whether they will ever get elected again, The Thai people know the real story.

But here's you waving your little flag saying "oh goody, now there's no more corruption"

[canuckamuck]

“The National Council for Peace and Order is unlikely to lift the martial law in the near future as groups campaigning against the junta have been detected both in Thailand and abroad.” - The Nation 2014-09-05

“If anti-coup activists escalate their activities, the regional armies will have to step up measures to contain the situation,”

“… all measures to contain anti-coup groups must be in line with Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha's policy to minimise unnecessary conflict for the NCPO …”

Meanwhile the Junta plans to put forth its candidacy for membership in the United Nations Human Rights Council next year. If the Junta continues its vigorous track record for suppression of freedom of speech under martial law, no matter how noble such actions might be, leaders of other nations may not find it an enduring quality in candidates for HRC. The Junta should consider a more restrained and civil approach to countering criticisms without the support of martial law or give up the idea that it is some kind of bastion for democracy.

Name me one country that has freedom of speech. They all have a limit on what is allowed to be printed. Some more than others. You might have missed it but you had the freedom to print your condemnation of them.

I rest my case.

The question was name me one country that has freedom of speech. Not comparisons between them. thought I would mention that before you tried to avoid the question.

Every country has some limits on freedom of speech--you can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater and stuff like that. I can name many countries where people are free to criticize their government, but Thailand isn't one of them.

That is not entirely true. It is perfectly legal to yell fire in a theater, if there is a fire. The crime is in inciting a panic for the sake of mischief. That is not a limitation on the freedom of speech but rather a law against doing harm.

What Thailand is lacking in terms of freedom of speech is protection to tell the truth and to justly criticize authority.

[Tokay]

"Paranoia" is the word of the day.