Koh Tao murders - Six migrant workers freed but Briton still asked to stay on

[Eliot Rosewater]

Technology exists to determine the origin of the DNA asian or caucasian. It can even narrow that down to a continent of origin. Why have they not determined this yet?

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I have refuted this claim on other threads. Rather than some sales pitch, can you show a link to any police force anywhere that has stated they are seeking a certain race type based on DNA evidence alone.

How about this from the Kirsty Jones case

"The identity of her killer was bound up in a tiny fragment of genetic code but, with no DNA database in Thailand, all police could prove was that he was Thai"

Link to full article http://www.samuitimes.com/murder-in-chiang-mai-mothers-hopes-for-justice-after-13-years-remain-strong/

[halloween]

Technology exists to determine the origin of the DNA asian or caucasian. It can even narrow that down to a continent of origin. Why have they not determined this yet?

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I have refuted this claim on other threads. Rather than some sales pitch, can you show a link to any police force anywhere that has stated they are seeking a certain race type based on DNA evidence alone.

Do yourself a favour and google Autosomal DNA.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130624135126AABjD92

I did. Now you read the second answer which says it is BS and explains why. Do you have a link to a police force as I asked?

[JohnThailandJohn]

Maybe i missed it but i haven't seen any report yet which makes clear the semen they've found belonged to the male victim or not ...

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29249129

"Forensic tests carried out on Ms Witheridge's body revealed traces of semen from two different men, neither of which matched DNA from Mr Miller or his two friends."

Technology exists to determine the origin of the DNA asian or caucasian. It can even narrow that down to a continent of origin. Why have they not determined this yet?

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Because it takes time to collect and process and run and analyze. Any DNA results now are preliminary and I thought I read they had only tested the semen and possibly cigarette butts at this point and could also be why they are now suggesting their was not a rape. Depending on the quality of the DNA also relates to how easy and quickly it can be processed. If only a hoe was used, there is a chance they will find no DNA on the bodies. The information provided is very sketchy as this is an ongoing investigation. Although there is a suggestion that there is defensive wounds, we don't know if those wounds came from contact with another person's skin or a weapon. Even the autopsy report right now is preliminary --- these things take time to properly complete and analyze. Chances are even if the hoe was the weapon, the handle surface probably provides little chance of a finger print but may yeild DNA but probably many people's if have used it. There is also likely a lot of blood on clothing and person's and not a simple process of telling whose is whose and they won't check every speck of blood but rather areas that don't seem consistent with being from the victim.

This was a sloppy killing and one that was not planned. So hopefully they will find evidence but where DNA will really help is if they can find traces of blood on a suspect clothing or transfered to their room or in a drain where they may have cleaned up and then link that blood to one of the victims .... again all takes time not just to process the DNA but to sort through the mountain of suspected evidence and swabs they have collected and prioritize what should be tested first.

[chainarong]

We see this time and again with everybody who has an opinion in the police investigation having one, instead of a police media spokesperson, who represents the police for the media , they taint the reports with any cockin bull story, like they taint the crime scene.

[JohnThailandJohn]

DNA Testing Timeline

http://www.patc.com/weeklyarticles/dna-timeline.shtml

[les Dennis]

Why dont the authorities ascertain what the chemical was on his shorts and where that can be found on the island. Maybe it was a chemical to remove blood. Then maybe we would know why he put them in the victims bag. Have they done blood tests on all the suspects? If there are traces of a class A drugs at least we would begin to build a character profile. Do they have polygraphs here in Thailand ? maybe give that a shot. Although detective work in Thailand is clearly shambolic they do however have the worlds best grapevine. I would bet a large amount of money(if gambling wasn't illigal of course) that there are plenty of people on the island that know exactly what happened

[halloween]

Technology exists to determine the origin of the DNA asian or caucasian. It can even narrow that down to a continent of origin. Why have they not determined this yet?

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I have refuted this claim on other threads. Rather than some sales pitch, can you show a link to any police force anywhere that has stated they are seeking a certain race type based on DNA evidence alone.

How about this from the Kirsty Jones case

"The identity of her killer was bound up in a tiny fragment of genetic code but, with no DNA database in Thailand, all police could prove was that he was Thai"

Link to full article http://www.samuitimes.com/murder-in-chiang-mai-mothers-hopes-for-justice-after-13-years-remain-strong/

Should I change that to "reputable police force" then? I wouldn't trust a RTP report on a semen sample unless the guy's dick was still attached to it.

[webfact]

DNA Tests Confirm Koh Tao Murderer Still On the Run
By Khaosod English

BANGKOK — DNA traces found on the bodies of two British tourists murdered in southern Thailand do not match any of the possible suspects detained by Thai police, confirming that the culprit behind the gruesome murder is still at large.

The naked bodies of David Miller, 24, and Hannah Witheridge, 23 were found beaten to death on 15 September in Koh Tao, a popular resort island in the Gulf of Thailand.

Thai police held six Burmese migrant workers and two British men for questioning in the wake of the murder, but forensic tests reveal that the DNA found on the victims' bodies do not match any of the eight men, said Pol.Maj.Gen. Pornchai Sutheerakhun, director of Institute of Forensic Medicine (IFM).

The two British men are friends of Mr. Miller and were asked to stay in Thailand to assist with the investigation. They were treated as "possible suspects," police say.

The DNA traces came from semen found in Ms. Witheridge's body. According to Pol.Maj.Gen. Pornchai, the single hair found in Ms. Witheridge's left hand could not be used for DNA testing.

The results have thrust the investigation back to square one, as Thai police say they currently have no information about other possible suspects. It is unclear whether the perpertrator is still on the tiny 21 km sq island, as boats have been able to leave the area since Monday.

The latest development will likely be seen as another example of incompetence on the part of authorities investigating the case. Thai police have already committed several blunders, such as failing to seal off the crime scene, misidentifying Mr. Miller and Ms. Witheridge in the CCTV footage, and providing contradictory statements to the press.

However, Pol.MajGen. Pornchai, the director of Thailand's forensic institute, said yesterday that police are hoping three cigarette butts found near the crime scene will provide a new lead in the investigation. The DNA traces found on the cigarettes do not "conflict" with the semen found in Ms. Witheridges' body, but police say more samples from the cigarette are needed to make a definitive match.

Pol.Lt.Gen. Panya Mamen, commander of 8th Provincial Police Force, said he has instructed officers around Koh Tao to "expand" their investigation and possibly round up "Thais and fishing boat crews" in the area for questioning.

"We will send more reinforcements to Koh Tao," Pol.Lt.Gen. Panya said, "We will conduct a raid on the entire island if we have to."

Source: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1411022718


-- Khaosod English 2014-09-18

[TungnaaTom]

This story has so many pieces, so I'll try to put the puzzle together. Here is my theory:

The two deceased plus the friend Christopher Ware got into a dustup with a group earlier on in the evening. There was some blood, but no serious injuries. Both men sustained some injuries to their arms and hands. The three of them went back to the hotel, the men changed clothes, and then went back out to party into the wee hours of the morning.

The friend Christopher Ware went back to the hotel alone, while the two deceased went down to the beach to spend some private time together. Someone (or more than one person) from the group they fought with earlier came back for some revenge. They grabbed a hoe on the way down to the beach. I would think a hoe would be found near a guesthouse, not by the rocks at the seashore. So, the hoe was picked up with the intent to be used as a weapon before they came onto the deceased pair making out on the beach.

The pair were killed with the hoe, and neither of them really had a chance to fight. I saw leaked photos, and the deceased man's head was split open in 2 places at the back, but the rest of him was not injured. So, he was probably struck from behind while making out with the girl. Girl was killed while still lying on her back, no chance to fight. From the leaked pics, I saw that her face had been smashed in from the front, but she did not have a scratch from the neck down.

Christopher Ware finds out about the murder of his friends the next morning. He panics, and decides to get the hell off the island ASAP. But what to do with his bloodied pants from the earlier dustup? Fleeing from a murder scene with bloody clothes, even if he is not the murderer, is not a good idea! So, he put his pants into the decased man's luggage in order to make it look like it is the pants of the deceased, which he changed when they came back to the hotel after the dustup.

This theory exlplains almost everything, but leaves some questions:

1. Why the friend Christopher Ware is not telling the story if he is not guilty? (which I assume, he is not). I would guess that he is afraid to speak, for fear that he will be the next victim. If this is the case, then the killers are not likely locals who will fly to the UK to hunt him down. The killers would need to have access to him in the UK, meaning that they are likely UK locals. It is also possible that the killers are freinds of Christopher Ware, and that is why he is keeping quiet.
2. Why was the first dustup not reported to police? If they had been fighting locals, I think they would haver reported it. They would be less likely to report a fight if it only involved other tourists, because they would think that the cops could not do much anyway, when it is tourist vs. tourist.
3. Why were many migrant workers found with blood on their clothes?

Every bloodied piece of clothing should be DNA tested. Also, every owner of a bloodied piece of clothing or an injury should have a sperm sample taken and DNA tested. Then put all the results into a matrix and see if anything overlaps!

[ourmanflint]

Two drunk Thai men come upon two farangs making out in the sand, kill them, then get in their longtail boat and slip off back to Koh Phangan. Meanwhile the police run round in circles pointing fingers at everyone except the local Thai population who seemingly are beyond reproach.

[Triplebank999]

This story has so many pieces, so I'll try to put the puzzle together. Here is my theory:

The two deceased plus the friend Christopher Ware got into a dustup with a group earlier on in the evening. There was some blood, but no serious injuries. Both men sustained some injuries to their arms and hands. The three of them went back to the hotel, the men changed clothes, and then went back out to party into the wee hours of the morning.

The friend Christopher Ware went back to the hotel alone, while the two deceased went down to the beach to spend some private time together. Someone (or more than one person) from the group they fought with earlier came back for some revenge. They grabbed a hoe on the way down to the beach. I would think a hoe would be found near a guesthouse, not by the rocks at the seashore. So, the hoe was picked up with the intent to be used as a weapon before they came onto the deceased pair making out on the beach.

The pair were killed with the hoe, and neither of them really had a chance to fight. I saw leaked photos, and the deceased man's head was split open in 2 places at the back, but the rest of him was not injured. So, he was probably struck from behind while making out with the girl. Girl was killed while still lying on her back, no chance to fight. From the leaked pics, I saw that her face had been smashed in from the front, but she did not have a scratch from the neck down.

Christopher Ware finds out about the murder of his friends the next morning. He panics, and decides to get the hell off the island ASAP. But what to do with his bloodied pants from the earlier dustup? Fleeing from a murder scene with bloody clothes, even if he is not the murderer, is not a good idea! So, he put his pants into the decased man's luggage in order to make it look like it is the pants of the deceased, which he changed when they came back to the hotel after the dustup.

This theory exlplains almost everything, but leaves some questions:

1. Why the friend Christopher Ware is not telling the story if he is not guilty? (which I assume, he is not). I would guess that he is afraid to speak, for fear that he will be the next victim. If this is the case, then the killers are not likely locals who will fly to the UK to hunt him down. The killers would need to have access to him in the UK, meaning that they are likely UK locals. It is also possible that the killers are freinds of Christopher Ware, and that is why he is keeping quiet.
2. Why was the first dustup not reported to police? If they had been fighting locals, I think they would haver reported it. They would be less likely to report a fight if it only involved other tourists, because they would think that the cops could not do much anyway, when it is tourist vs. tourist.
3. Why were many migrant workers found with blood on their clothes?

Every bloodied piece of clothing should be DNA tested. Also, every owner of a bloodied piece of clothing or an injury should have a sperm sample taken and DNA tested. Then put all the results into a matrix and see if anything overlaps!

Thanks for your insight and being able to put the puzzle together for all of us. Very useful.

Your bizarre speculation explains absolutely nothing and will only serve as fuel for the many posters here who believe everything they read on ThaiVisa. The discussions are surely now about to start about the bloody dustup that instigated the murders, that you alone imagined. Ridiculous.

[JeremyBowskill]

Why dont the authorities ascertain what the chemical was on his shorts and where that can be found on the island. Maybe it was a chemical to remove blood. Then maybe we would know why he put them in the victims bag. Have they done blood tests on all the suspects? If there are traces of a class A drugs at least we would begin to build a character profile. Do they have polygraphs here in Thailand ? maybe give that a shot. Although detective work in Thailand is clearly shambolic they do however have the worlds best grapevine. I would bet a large amount of money(if gambling wasn't illigal of course) that there are plenty of people on the island that know exactly what happened

What "character profile" could you gain from them using class A drugs? Other than they were young and British (in the case of the Ware bros), which isn't being disputed!!! Fairly sure recreational drug use goes on here too among the young, you can't say it points to anything other than they might like to enjoy themselves. You do know refer madness isn't real right?

[les Dennis]

Why dont the authorities ascertain what the chemical was on his shorts and where that can be found on the island. Maybe it was a chemical to remove blood. Then maybe we would know why he put them in the victims bag. Have they done blood tests on all the suspects? If there are traces of a class A drugs at least we would begin to build a character profile. Do they have polygraphs here in Thailand ? maybe give that a shot. Although detective work in Thailand is clearly shambolic they do however have the worlds best grapevine. I would bet a large amount of money(if gambling wasn't illigal of course) that there are plenty of people on the island that know exactly what happened

What "character profile" could you gain from them using class A drugs? Other than they were young and British, which isn't being disputed!!!

I was referring to all suspects, not just the Brits.

[thesetat2013]

DNA Tests Confirm Koh Tao Murderer Still On the Run

By Khaosod English

BANGKOK — DNA traces found on the bodies of two British tourists murdered in southern Thailand do not match any of the possible suspects detained by Thai police, confirming that the culprit behind the gruesome murder is still at large.

The naked bodies of David Miller, 24, and Hannah Witheridge, 23 were found beaten to death on 15 September in Koh Tao, a popular resort island in the Gulf of Thailand.

Thai police held six Burmese migrant workers and two British men for questioning in the wake of the murder, but forensic tests reveal that the DNA found on the victims' bodies do not match any of the eight men, said Pol.Maj.Gen. Pornchai Sutheerakhun, director of Institute of Forensic Medicine (IFM).

The two British men are friends of Mr. Miller and were asked to stay in Thailand to assist with the investigation. They were treated as "possible suspects," police say.

The DNA traces came from semen found in Ms. Witheridge's body. According to Pol.Maj.Gen. Pornchai, the single hair found in Ms. Witheridge's left hand could not be used for DNA testing.

The results have thrust the investigation back to square one, as Thai police say they currently have no information about other possible suspects. It is unclear whether the perpertrator is still on the tiny 21 km sq island, as boats have been able to leave the area since Monday.

The latest development will likely be seen as another example of incompetence on the part of authorities investigating the case. Thai police have already committed several blunders, such as failing to seal off the crime scene, misidentifying Mr. Miller and Ms. Witheridge in the CCTV footage, and providing contradictory statements to the press.

However, Pol.MajGen. Pornchai, the director of Thailand's forensic institute, said yesterday that police are hoping three cigarette butts found near the crime scene will provide a new lead in the investigation. The DNA traces found on the cigarettes do not "conflict" with the semen found in Ms. Witheridges' body, but police say more samples from the cigarette are needed to make a definitive match.

Pol.Lt.Gen. Panya Mamen, commander of 8th Provincial Police Force, said he has instructed officers around Koh Tao to "expand" their investigation and possibly round up "Thais and fishing boat crews" in the area for questioning.

"We will send more reinforcements to Koh Tao," Pol.Lt.Gen. Panya said, "We will conduct a raid on the entire island if we have to."

Source: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1411022718

-- Khaosod English 2014-09-18

Again typical thai behavior in stating they will raid the entire island. A little late and an overreaction since boats have been ferrying people off the island for days already. What a sham ( i mean shame)

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[dBrown]

This story has so many pieces, so I'll try to put the puzzle together. Here is my theory:

The two deceased plus the friend Christopher Ware got into a dustup with a group earlier on in the evening. There was some blood, but no serious injuries. Both men sustained some injuries to their arms and hands. The three of them went back to the hotel, the men changed clothes, and then went back out to party into the wee hours of the morning.

The friend Christopher Ware went back to the hotel alone, while the two deceased went down to the beach to spend some private time together. Someone (or more than one person) from the group they fought with earlier came back for some revenge. They grabbed a hoe on the way down to the beach. I would think a hoe would be found near a guesthouse, not by the rocks at the seashore. So, the hoe was picked up with the intent to be used as a weapon before they came onto the deceased pair making out on the beach.

The pair were killed with the hoe, and neither of them really had a chance to fight. I saw leaked photos, and the deceased man's head was split open in 2 places at the back, but the rest of him was not injured. So, he was probably struck from behind while making out with the girl. Girl was killed while still lying on her back, no chance to fight. From the leaked pics, I saw that her face had been smashed in from the front, but she did not have a scratch from the neck down.

Christopher Ware finds out about the murder of his friends the next morning. He panics, and decides to get the hell off the island ASAP. But what to do with his bloodied pants from the earlier dustup? Fleeing from a murder scene with bloody clothes, even if he is not the murderer, is not a good idea! So, he put his pants into the decased man's luggage in order to make it look like it is the pants of the deceased, which he changed when they came back to the hotel after the dustup.

This theory exlplains almost everything, but leaves some questions:

1. Why the friend Christopher Ware is not telling the story if he is not guilty? (which I assume, he is not). I would guess that he is afraid to speak, for fear that he will be the next victim. If this is the case, then the killers are not likely locals who will fly to the UK to hunt him down. The killers would need to have access to him in the UK, meaning that they are likely UK locals. It is also possible that the killers are freinds of Christopher Ware, and that is why he is keeping quiet.
2. Why was the first dustup not reported to police? If they had been fighting locals, I think they would haver reported it. They would be less likely to report a fight if it only involved other tourists, because they would think that the cops could not do much anyway, when it is tourist vs. tourist.
3. Why were many migrant workers found with blood on their clothes?

Every bloodied piece of clothing should be DNA tested. Also, every owner of a bloodied piece of clothing or an injury should have a sperm sample taken and DNA tested. Then put all the results into a matrix and see if anything overlaps!

I see he has arrived already on TV forum

[Kanaloa]

Surely it's possible to ascertain the ethnic origin of the murders from the DNA? Please invite the British police to assist

[EricBerg]

Technology exists to determine the origin of the DNA asian or caucasian. It can even narrow that down to a continent of origin. Why have they not determined this yet?

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I have refuted this claim on other threads. Rather than some sales pitch, can you show a link to any police force anywhere that has stated they are seeking a certain race type based on DNA evidence alone.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/lab/forensic-science-communications/fsc/july2000/deedric1.htm/

There scroll down to "Racial Determination".

Some 10% of the DNA characteristics can point towards one of the three groups (caucasian, negroid, asian).

Undisputed prove cannot (yet) be given.

[falang07]

Two drunk Thai men come upon two farangs making out in the sand, kill them, then get in their longtail boat and slip off back to Koh Phangan. Meanwhile the police run round in circles pointing fingers at everyone except the local Thai population who seemingly are beyond reproach.

Definitely, I agree with you. This is what anyone who would do such a horrible thing on a very small island would try to do as first, flee as far as possible and as quick as possible. My guess: they will never be found, too late.

[T_Dog]

Not sure about Koh Tao, but hopefully the cops have interviewed the fire dancers. On Koh Chang and other islands they always party late into the night with the tourists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcL26J5IGdk

[chotthee]

Two drunk Thai men come upon two farangs making out in the sand, kill them, then get in their longtail boat and slip off back to Koh Phangan. Meanwhile the police run round in circles pointing fingers at everyone except the local Thai population who seemingly are beyond reproach.

Sorry, no DNA test has proven that the killer(s) is Thai, and no DNA test show he (they) was drunk either.

Fetch my GT200 will'ya.

[waynethor]

How is it that a DNA mismatch involving the Burmese workers releases them from any suspicion and clears them to walk away free from further investigation, but the same situation doesn't allow the British guy to also walk away?

Maybe the police were so hopeful that they could pin it on farang, and when the DNA evidence doesn't match they are just finding that fact hard to take and can't easily let their best chance of proving a Thai didn't it slip away. Have they actually questioned or taken DNA from any Thais yet?

Burmese aren't Thais. I don't think there is any cover-up to release Burmese in favour of implicating a Briton. Maybe the evidence just didn't match. The Thais certainly don't view the Burmese favorably, and should a poor, lowly migrant worker end up being implicated, it will make far less impact than if a Briton ends up being found guilty of the crime. No one will care about a Burmese murderer, who will be quietly imprisoned for life or even executed (although naturally everyone will still be outraged and scared, while the Thais will be able to pick out a scapegoat and say "hey look, we told you these Burmese are up to no good"), whereas a Briton would make major headlines back home and internationally, even though it's not unheard of for fellow travellers to murder each other. Just think of the case of the American exchange student accused of murdering a British? guy in Italy a few years ago.

"Burmese aren't Thais."

Thanks. Did you really think that I didn't know that? Do I really come across as so poorly educated? Good Lord!

My point was that all suspects should be treated the same way, regardless of nationality.

But let's keep in mind that Thailand not only encourages Burmese, Cambodians (who are not Thais, by the way) and Laotians (not Thais also, so no need to tell me that) by the thousands to come and do the menial work in Thailand the Thais don't want to do, so perhaps they really do have a preference as to who is charged. I would think a lowly farang is perhaps better to charge than lowly SE Asians who are here by the 10s (100s?) of thousands to build the country.

[Jeremy50]

Two peoples DNA found from that poor girl , It doesn't bear thinking about that 1 person could do this randomly , but at least 2 people is scary. How could that possibly just happen "Off the cuff" so to speak. Those kids last moments must have been horrifying . I hope they hang the shits when the find them

It doesn't bear thinking about.

Three days spent faffing around looking for a foreign scapegoat while the real killers, probably Thais [it happened in Thailand after all], slip clean away, or was this the intention all along?

[Songhua]

Surely it's possible to ascertain the ethnic origin of the murders from the DNA? Please invite the British police to assist

No, it isn't.

[Alwyn]

They are keeping the Brits so that they don't lose face today with the General.

Quite awful people, really.

The thing is, the idiot Colonel shot his mouth off yesterday morning that the farang " probably " did the crime because in his deranged, infantile imagination the cretin has concluded it was a crime of passion perpetrated by farang because of jealousy, irrespective of the fact there is not a single shred of evidence to support this daft theory other than a political desire to convict a farang so as to preserve their revenue from tourism.

When will the British press finally wake up to this fact and galvanise someone in authority to make representations to what passes for a Thai government.

The British ambassador is absolutely useless.

The British press have already done that, today. Common afairs group plus a whole bunch of MPs are on the case now it seems. The police are akin to the keystone cops. They've ruled everybody under suspicion out by DNA, they let the migrant workers go but are still holding Chris Ware (who was David Miller's best friend) and his twin. Why? The police are next to useless and so is Prayuth. Unless he's bullying motor-bike taxi drivers into wearing the same colour vests, he is clueless.

[bapak]

They are keeping the Brits so that they don't lose face today with the General.

Quite awful people, really.

The thing is, the idiot Colonel shot his mouth off yesterday morning that the farang " probably " did the crime because in his deranged, infantile imagination the cretin has concluded it was a crime of passion perpetrated by farang because of jealousy, irrespective of the fact there is not a single shred of evidence to support this daft theory other than a political desire to convict a farang so as to preserve their revenue from tourism.

When will the British press finally wake up to this fact and galvanise someone in authority to make representations to what passes for a Thai government.

The British ambassador is absolutely useless.

The British press have already done that, today. Common afairs group plus a whole bunch of MPs are on the case now it seems. The police are akin to the keystone cops. They've ruled everybody under suspicion out by DNA, they let the migrant workers go but are still holding Chris Ware (who was David Miller's best friend) and his twin. Why? The police are next to useless and so is Prayuth. Unless he's bullying motor-bike taxi drivers into wearing the same colour vests, he is clueless.

I hear no mention of the hoe. Surely the hoe was not just lying at the murder scene and was picked up to do the killing. The hoe must have be carried from some place. What place and by whom? Is someone missing a hoe?

[wallcracks]

anyone who is in Thailand long enough knows people get killed for no reasons, what about the story last month with the German Guy in Samui was it or was it not Thais who killed him , because he said they should get off his motorbike?? (Is it a Reason to kill someone?)

Wrong time wrong place

Maybe he or she said something they , it was late in the night, and there you go

that she was raped was probably just in affect, how many times have we heared storys of raped western Girls after Full Moon Partys etc.

Raped by Thais.... NOT Western Tourists.

some Thais can be extremly cold blooded and kill for nothing

Anyway in my opinion are the killers long gone

probably left the Island the same day early morning.

[Alwyn]

They are keeping the Brits so that they don't lose face today with the General.

Quite awful people, really.

The thing is, the idiot Colonel shot his mouth off yesterday morning that the farang " probably " did the crime because in his deranged, infantile imagination the cretin has concluded it was a crime of passion perpetrated by farang because of jealousy, irrespective of the fact there is not a single shred of evidence to support this daft theory other than a political desire to convict a farang so as to preserve their revenue from tourism.

When will the British press finally wake up to this fact and galvanise someone in authority to make representations to what passes for a Thai government.

The British ambassador is absolutely useless.

The British press have already done that, today. Common afairs group plus a whole bunch of MPs are on the case now it seems. The police are akin to the keystone cops. They've ruled everybody under suspicion out by DNA, they let the migrant workers go but are still holding Chris Ware (who was David Miller's best friend) and his twin. Why? The police are next to useless and so is Prayuth. Unless he's bullying motor-bike taxi drivers into wearing the same colour vests, he is clueless.

I hear no mention of the hoe. Surely the hoe was not just lying at the murder scene and was picked up to do the killing. The hoe must have be carried from some place. What place and by whom? Is someone missing a hoe?

A valid point indeed. The police also seem to have no interest in the local (one of the 3 families) thug who was showing a lot of unwanted interest in the girl and the fact that he and Miller had a bit of an altercation when Miller stepped in and asked him to leave - all of this has been tweeted by the girl and her friends/

[MZurf]

Since the police station was not far from the scene of the crime I suggest they do some DNA sampling there.

Just sayin.....

[petercool]

A derogatory, defamatory and inflamatory post removed along with replies to it.

[Tatsujin]

With regards to the DNA evidence collected, they apparently can't link it directly with any of the current "suspects" (fall guys) . . . but surely they can at least work out the NATIONALITY of the "suspects" from that self-same DNA evidence . . . ?