Bangkok Police thwart Redshirts' Democracy Monument 'picnic'

[TheCruncher]

Wonder when the student uprising will be removed from the history books.

[mango66]

Sounds like they don't want people to know that there is fear about an opposition?

Anything relating to rallying the reds is squashed.

Martial law is here for some time?

you mean this RED DEmocrates which ordered killing of how many AGvt protestors ?

For paying the rice farmers they had no money,

but for patying they have !!

Did they pay withnb THB or Dubai $ ??

[mango66]

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"Forty-one years ago, the student movement fought for democracy and asked for a constitution," he said. "Today, we are back to that past. There's no permanent constitution, no election, and we don't know when those things will return."

Did you ever think your red leaders and red activities might have generated the current situation?

Arnon said he organised the dinner party to insist on people's right to enjoy their lives normally under the current "stressful situation." He said his group had no intention of engaging in any political activities or protests.

Sorry, don't believe you.

"We just invited people to join us for dinner," Arnon said. "We have no demand or message for the NCPO [an acronym for the junta's National Council for Peace and Order]. We have no agenda."

Sorry, don't believe you.

Doesn't take much to get the posters backing the excisting feudal system started on their usual mantras!! width=32 alt=coffee1.gif>

So tell specifically how the red leaders (thugs), the udd, their paymaster et all actually contributed to building solid democracy.

Give one example of the red thugs, the udd, their paymaster talking publically about the value of actual democracy.

One example of the same characters talking publically and with credibility about the important pillars of democracy.

One example of the same characters talking publically about the need for and the mechanisms to protect those pillars.

One example of an speech / action by the same characters to strongly encourage their followers to embrace real democracy

Proof that the red shirt democracy schools actually taught the above and without bias.

maybe the reds did not help much to build a democracy but sure as hell a coup did the opposite. Alltho they are both thugs, the worst kind is still the army. I just pity those foreigners that should have a better understanding of puppetters governments but cheer anyway for any of the 2 sides. They are all puppets with different colors. Please don't become one too.

You are BRAINSICK,

The REDS = devil !!

in the hell with them !!

[Tokay]

Slowly, slowly...step by step the public are becoming more and more emboldened.

Beware, the clock is ticking Generals and the hour is approaching.

I disagree. You have a few small groups here and there, but the Thais are going to take this one on the chin and deal with it. Just like Burma, just like North Korea, and just like China. They do what they are told, or else. The Thais, like most other nationalities these days, Arabs excluded, lack the gull to actually fight for what they believe in. And rightfully so, they will be gunned down by the military. Unless the Thais are willing to get their hands Syrian dirty, they will just keep doing whatever they are told and directing their outrage through social media, which is soon to have tighter restrictions put upon it. They are in a bad spot, and there is no light at the end of the tunnel for them, yet.

[wellred]

Having a bit of laab?

[kinmaew]

Apparently nothing has changed since 1973.

[2fishin2]

There is no more red or yellow shirt movements, they are banned forever. That's why we have military control now to stop this vicious cycle. Unity and patriotism is the PM's goal, this is needed to stabilize Thailand, make it strong, ready for next years ASEAN Community.

I just threw up in my mouth LOL

You're not seeing the big picture. A coup was necessary due to the real threat of civil war. And the freedom that you say has been lost, hasn't, you can express yourself freely now as you could last year. Compared to the other 9 Asian countries, Thailand is one of the most free and unrepressed countries. Freedom of rights, religion, speech, press. Remember this is south east Asia not Europe.

How many countries in Asia? What civics book are you reading? Probably the same one the new dictator reads. You must be Thai....

[Chris Lawrence]

Sounds like they don't want people to know that there is fear about an opposition?

Anything relating to rallying the reds is squashed.

Martial law is here for some time?

you mean this RED DEmocrates which ordered killing of how many AGvt protestors ?

For paying the rice farmers they had no money,

but for patying they have !!

Did they pay withnb THB or Dubai $ ??

'A knight in shining armour is a man who has never had his metal truly tested' saw on a friends face book page.

That is all I am suggesting. Without opposition and while martial law stays in place, the current authoritarian regime will not be challenged.

Mango, sounds as though you believe that your right is to express an opinion and everyone should listen? Have a read of some of the current media. The media is controlled; expressions of difference are not allowed to be reported. Take for example the murders down south. Very sad. Every day there seems to be different information reported. It’s not helping the investigation.

Many of the other media reported appears to be trivial in terms of comments from the prime minister. A Law and order diatribe of propaganda? Has cleaned up the beach, the jet skis, the taxis and wants to return to a 1950's style of fashion for foreign woman.

They really need to focus on the economy. My view is that they are trying but appear not to have the right people for the jobs. Military hierarchy should run the military, not major companies.

I don't own jack boots and never will.

[thaiguzzi]

djjamie - bigger yawn...

[animatic]

"Forty-one years ago, the student movement fought for democracy and asked for a constitution," he said. "Today, we are back to that past. There's no permanent constitution, no election, and we don't know when those things will return."

Did you ever think your red leaders and red activities might have generated the current situation?

Arnon said he organised the dinner party to insist on people's right to enjoy their lives normally under the current "stressful situation." He said his group had no intention of engaging in any political activities or protests.

Sorry, don't believe you.

"We just invited people to join us for dinner," Arnon said. "We have no demand or message for the NCPO [an acronym for the junta's National Council for Peace and Order]. We have no agenda."

Sorry, don't believe you.

Doesn't take much to get the posters backing the excisting feudal system started on their usual mantras!!

Don't know why you see the last government, and it's leadership tied to the redshirts, as anything other than a Feudal System.

It was the same system,

just a change in leaders, all doing exactly the same things, but for their clique.

Removing systems and having them STAY changed is a decades and multiple generations long shift in modality,

not something a culture changes with a political rush and with a figurehead blathering it is something new.

Just look at the messes of China and Russia, to see why grand sweeping change doesn't work well.

Decades each of trying to recover from their rushes into grand change.

Until the culture actually changes fundamentally, and not by street rioting, war actions and/or purchasing of mandates,

will it ever have a chance of fulfillment. That will come from communications and people growing up with changes

and adding more of their own. Fast change causes social disruption and suffering far above what was there before.

Change is happening, but not as fast as some want.

To say that acknowledging this is backing the old system as a mantra of stasis is disingenuous.

Edited October 16, 2014 by animatic

[AleG]

"Forty-one years ago, the student movement fought for democracy and asked for a constitution," he said. "Today, we are back to that past. There's no permanent constitution, no election, and we don't know when those things will return."

Did you ever think your red leaders and red activities might have generated the current situation?

Arnon said he organised the dinner party to insist on people's right to enjoy their lives normally under the current "stressful situation." He said his group had no intention of engaging in any political activities or protests.

Sorry, don't believe you.

"We just invited people to join us for dinner," Arnon said. "We have no demand or message for the NCPO [an acronym for the junta's National Council for Peace and Order]. We have no agenda."

Sorry, don't believe you.

Doesn't take much to get the posters backing the excisting feudal system started on their usual mantras!!

Don't know why you see the last government, and it's leadership tied to the redshirts, as anything other than a Feudal System.

It was the same system,

just a change in leaders, all doing exactly the same things, but for their clique.

Removing systems and having them STAY changed is a decades and multiple generations long shift in modality,

not something a culture changes with a political rush and with a figurehead blathering it is something new.

Just look at the messes of China and Russia, to see why grand sweeping change doesn't work well.

Decades each of trying to recover from their rushes into grand change.

Until the culture actually changes fundamentally, and not by street rioting, war actions and/or purchasing of mandates,

will it ever have a chance of fulfillment. That will come from communications and people growing up with changes

and adding more of their own. Fast change causes social disruption and suffering far above what was there before.

Change is happening, but not as fast as some want.

To say that acknowledging this is backing the old system as a mantra of stasis is disingenuous.

I've cited this a few times already, still as relevant as it was a couple centuries ago:

"If the people are not educated, if their rights are not explained, if every man does not know his own worth, what he is capable of and what is owed to him, new illusions will succeed the old ones, and after faltering for some time amid a thousand uncertainties, it may come to be that our fortune will be to replace tyrants without destroying tyranny."

Prologue of Mariano Moreno to Rousseau's "The Social Contract"

That is the first step to a Democratic society, all else is smoke and mirrors; some people feel comfortable enough with the illusion of Democracy, it's less strenuous and involves less responsibilities than the real thing.

The same people seem to think that elections and voting is enough, as if Democracy would be some sort of fungus that will grow given the minimum necessary conditions, it is not, it's more like a garden that needs constant care and attention else it ends up being overrun by weeds and vermin.

[chotthee]

If Prayuth is smart, he should ban anything RED in Thailand.

You the "Replace all" to make everything YELLOW.

[2fishin2]

If Prayuth is smart, he should ban anything RED in Thailand.

You the "Replace all" to make everything YELLOW.

I hate &lt;deleted&gt; yellow. Its the color of cowards. Red is the color of leaders. Yellow is why this country is in the &lt;deleted&gt; up state it is now and has been for 80+ years. Get rid of yellow and the country will progress.

[jdinasia]

There is no more red or yellow shirt movements, they are banned forever. That's why we have military control now to stop this vicious cycle. Unity and patriotism is the PM's goal, this is needed to stabilize Thailand, make it strong, ready for next years ASEAN Community.

I just threw up in my mouth LOL

You're not seeing the big picture. A coup was necessary due to the real threat of civil war. And the freedom that you say has been lost, hasn't, you can express yourself freely now as you could last year. Compared to the other 9 Asian countries, Thailand is one of the most free and unrepressed countries. Freedom of rights, religion, speech, press. Remember this is south east Asia not Europe.

How many countries in Asia? What civics book are you reading? Probably the same one the new dictator reads. You must be Thai....

10 member states for ASEAN

[Scott]

Numerous off-topic, inflammatory posts removed.

[dcutman]

After 80+ years of trying to figure out this democracy thing. You would think there would be some sort of progress.

[scorecard]

From tbthailand:

"first, there is the obligatory thaksin=udd and udd=thaksin. They clump everything together in one giant lump to make it easier to kick around.

second, the red shirts came out of the 2006 coup counter-reaction and have always resisted the anti-democratic movements in Thailand. To somehow try to paint them as undemocratic or as misunderstanding democracy is nonsense.

third, there have many times that the udd have spoken out against military coups and threats of military coups. But here that is not defending or protecting democracy. No speech about respecting the vote or not overthrowing an elected government is ever remembered by those in the 'Yellow Room'"

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" ...... have always resisted the anti-democratic movements....." is not actually openly actively building democracy, far from it.

What about real actions to gain equality under the law / equal application of the law with no double standards?

You taking lessons from fabie now?

"third, there have many times that the udd have spoken out against military coups and threats of military coups. But here that is not defending or protecting democracy. No speech about respecting the vote or not overthrowing an elected government is ever remembered by those in the 'Yellow Room'"

How convenient, you deflect the fact the reds in their attempt to form a dictatorship, are the main reason why this current coup even happened.

You mention vote. you forget the fact that they had no conscience whatever to give their voting cards to others to try a midnight underhanded 'coup' of their own.

[billd766]

...sledgehammer, nut...

Stupid people who STILL don't seem to understand that the law applies to everybody INCLUDING them.

They still believe that they are above the law.

[billd766]

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Slowly, slowly...step by step the public are becoming more and more emboldened.

Beware, the clock is ticking Generals and the hour is approaching.

Don't believe you, polls indicate otherwise.

The recent talk in my Thai circles is around 'give the general and his team 5 to 10 years to

ensure their is real change and it's locked into place'.

What polls?

Ridiculous NIDA polls?

Whatever ones view of the coup, everyday it is becoming more and more clear that the good General is most certainly not a natural when it comes to politics.

Very hard to see the current situation remaining stable for a year let alone 5 to 10.

Slowly, slowly...

Do you believe that Yingluck was a natural when it comes to politics?

She was ALWAYS asking for more time but strangely accomplished very little positive.

[pmugghc]

There is no more red or yellow shirt movements, they are banned forever. That's why we have military control now to stop this vicious cycle. Unity and patriotism is the PM's goal, this is needed to stabilize Thailand, make it strong, ready for next years ASEAN Community.

What drugs are you on?

The military are Yellow to the core and currently have the upper hand, the Reds are the numerical majority and are slowly reawakening.

Very soon one side will lose forever, mans mortality guarantees this.

Tick tock, tick tock.....

Isn't that what the whole takeover is about, to guide the process? Edited October 17, 2014 by pmugghc