We want the truth!!

Until then... BOYCOT KOH TAO!

An interesting idea. Boycot the island. That would bring prices down and change the locals attitude towards people who visit and spend money there......if it only will last long enough.

Parents say their sons are innocent but beaten to confess, but the arrogant, corrupted Thais policemen, sure of their impunity don’t care about the Myanmar parents thought.

The world is watching. What's the next move for the rtp?

prove beyond any measure of doubt that the DNA matches - that is of course if they still have the original samples that were taken from the bodies which personally I have my doubts, The DNA will also point the finger at someone else if it doesn't match with the current suspects

Could use a few links to some quotes on this thread, from reliable sources of news, otherwise it looks a bit pony.

Was watching SKY NEWS this morning. They ran a feature on the ...I quote... botched up investigation by the local Thai police .

Considering two confessed(!) myanmar suspects were beaten / interrogated by RTP, it shouldn't be hard for them to gather dna evidence from them and implant to dead bodies of murder victims. Perhaps CSI units could find out tampering but I doubt they can do it here. Because Thailand doesn't need CSI, they have RTP for solving cases!

He also expressed confidence that the Thai justice system would ensure justice for the two suspects, Win Zaw Tun and Zaw Lin.

I thought the system felt they had their 'guilty parties' and the matter was all but done and dusted?

JohnThailandJohn, on 25 Oct 2014 - 01:00, said:

Looks like no comments from the parents on their son's DNA matching the semen found in one of the victims. Also no comments about how they may have been forced to participate by a rich Thai.

Let it go to trial ... they have lots of lawyers and groups looking out for them as well as media who have put the case under a microscope.

John, <snip>, the parents probably don't even know what DNA is. But I guess you are entitled to you RTP protectionist views, god knows, they need all the help they can get.

jayjayjayjay, on 25 Oct 2014 - 01:55, said:

Jingthing, on 24 Oct 2014 - 22:45, said:

Wow. The invisible people become visible. I get the feeling this won't end well.

I am afraid emotions are running to high in defense of these guys incarcerated. For sure Andy Hall and his followers can help finance a defence, but in the end if they are guilty then they should stop this Thailand bashing.

Thai "bashing" wow, where did you get that... RTP bashing, oh yes, and they deserve it...but Thai bashing, no, only in your mind trying to stir the racist pot. For some very strange, maybe personal reasons, some people "see" Thai bashing in every comment.

On thinking about the UK police arrival. I think one of their main jobs has been stated as checking the DNA, but...

The Burmese boys originally first had their DNA taken early on and were not found to match (not arrested) as the BIB went after wild leads and foreigner (deceased friend) etc. So, I fear this early DNA that was taken and was used by the police to find patsies and then then use their collected DNA to plant on the victim's body - probably just the girls who was raped. That would mean that before the bodies were returned to UK, the Burmese DNA was where it would need to be for a later conviction and if the UK do any checking it will match. The UK need to concentrate on finding and ruling in any other DNA present and getting some DNA of the alledged murderer (bar owner's son) to see if they can rule him/other(s) in and certainly not agree just because (if) the DNA in Hannah matches the Burmese.

If the bodies were not returned to UK before the first early DNA collections on the Island when it is reported the 2 Burmese boys were tested and no match found, then the DNA evidence could have been planted for later confirmation of guilt from testing the bodies in the UK and thought to be proof? aimho

Koh Tao murders: ‘Thai police threatened to burn my son alive’

KOH Samui: -- The father of one of the detained suspects in the Koh Tao murder case has told DVB that at their family reunion this afternoon, his son told him that he and his friend confessed to rape and murder only after Thai interrogators threatened to kill them, and that they did not commit the alleged crimes.

Htun Htun Htike, the father of Win Zaw Htun, said, “My son and his friend [Zaw Lin] told me that they were subjected to physical torture by the Thai police and their translator.

“The interrogators told them to confess to the crime, and threatened to cut off their limbs, put them in a bag, and dump them in a river if they did not.

“The police also threatened to tie the two boys to a tire, pour petrol on it, and set it alight,” he told DVB’s Aye Nai in an exclusive interview on Friday.

Read More: https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-murders-thai-police-threatened-to-burn-my-son-alive-burma-myanmar-thailand-koh-samui/45369

--DVB 2014-10-25

JohnThailandJohn, on 25 Oct 2014 - 01:00, said:

Looks like no comments from the parents on their son's DNA matching the semen found in one of the victims. Also no comments about how they may have been forced to participate by a rich Thai.

Let it go to trial ... they have lots of lawyers and groups looking out for them as well as media who have put the case under a microscope.

John, <snip>, the parents probably don't even know what DNA is. But I guess you are entitled to you RTP protectionist views, god knows, they need all the help they can get.

JTJ is a shill writing for TV supporting the official story in any thread - simply ignore him!

Power to the people!

catweazle, on 25 Oct 2014 - 10:45, said:

MediaWatcher, on 25 Oct 2014 - 10:28, said:

JohnThailandJohn, on 25 Oct 2014 - 01:00, said:JohnThailandJohn, on 25 Oct 2014 - 01:00, said:

Looks like no comments from the parents on their son's DNA matching the semen found in one of the victims. Also no comments about how they may have been forced to participate by a rich Thai.

Let it go to trial ... they have lots of lawyers and groups looking out for them as well as media who have put the case under a microscope.

John, <snip>, the parents probably don't even know what DNA is. But I guess you are entitled to you RTP protectionist views, god knows, they need all the help they can get.

JTJ is a shill writing for TV supporting the official story in any thread - simply ignore him!

Power to the people!

Thanks, I will take your advise. I didn't swear at him, just said grow a brain, I guess the person who edited me was a little sensitive.

John Thailand John.

I just gotta confirm something.

You are satisfied with the evidence released by the Police. You have absolutely no reason to doubt them, whether it be for this shaky case or the reputation they have built up as a whole.

I have gone through my life with a healthy contempt of conspiracy theories. I have lived in Thailand for 13 years. There is an enormous shadow of a doubt in this case. Most things start as 'RUMOURS' until they are corroborated. The Police won't corroborate. So these remain rumours for now. It seems like the whole country is abuzzz with rumours.

You say that conspiracy theorists jump from one point to the next when something is disproven. Thats true. But seems like the Police have been doing the same thing, changing the points that have been picked out.

The fact that a forensic pathologist was never used at the crime scene and that members of the public, some that were later suspects, were all over the scene suggests the DNA evidence may be useless, tampered with. The Police have tampered with evidence in the past.

Do you think the Thai Police don't beat suspects? Being seen earlier in the evening near the scene is damning evidence?

Why do I bother? You are going to deflect somehow, ignoring all of this and I can't be bothered wasting my time making this post more comprehensive.

You are welcome to your opinion mate, I just don't fully understand why you are so vehemently convinced of it.

I'll admit that I can't know for sure the Burmen didn't do it, but everything surrounding this case makes it so highly doubtful.

But you seem so sure.

catweazle, on 25 Oct 2014 - 10:45, said:

MediaWatcher, on 25 Oct 2014 - 10:28, said:

JohnThailandJohn, on 25 Oct 2014 - 01:00, said:JohnThailandJohn, on 25 Oct 2014 - 01:00, said:

Looks like no comments from the parents on their son's DNA matching the semen found in one of the victims. Also no comments about how they may have been forced to participate by a rich Thai.

Let it go to trial ... they have lots of lawyers and groups looking out for them as well as media who have put the case under a microscope.

John, <snip>, the parents probably don't even know what DNA is. But I guess you are entitled to you RTP protectionist views, god knows, they need all the help they can get.

JTJ is a shill writing for TV supporting the official story in any thread - simply ignore him!

Power to the people!

Thanks, I will take your advise. I didn't swear at him, just said grow a brain, I guess the person who edited me was a little sensitive.

I wanna flame him soooo bad. But restraint is the key I suppose

Any more news on the son of the mafia guy?

Yesterday News I did read that he is planning to leave Thailand...

I don't believe there is, was and never will be any Burmese DNA inside the victim.

The RTP thought all farang had the name John and that they would all fall in line and believe every word they uttered.

So there would have been no need to do such a thing.

DNA hasn't been mentioned for a long time. They are looking at other things. Circumstantial evidence that also doesn't exist.

They do not have a clue.

Let it go to trial ... they have lots of lawyers and groups looking out for them

Do you believe that two young Myanmese migrant workers and/or their parents are well versed in issues such as DNA matching and what it means?

A smart lawyer does not even have to address the results of a DNA test.

They only have to cast doubt over security or contamination of the samples and that bit of "evidence" counts for nought.

Let it go to trial ... they have lots of lawyers and groups looking out for them

Do you believe that two young Myanmese migrant workers and/or their parents are well versed in issues such as DNA matching and what it means?

A smart lawyer does not even have to address the results of a DNA test.

They only have to cast doubt over security or contamination of the samples and that bit of "evidence" counts for nought.

Not in Thailand. This case will be heard by judges. Jury nullification cannot happen here.

Paid to post accusation removed.

May god help them.

Please give what you can to the you caring link set up to raise funds for these lads to help them receive justice and one day be returned home to their families. Shame on you rtp.

Youcaring ......

We want the truth!!

Until then... BOYCOT KOH TAO!

You're absolutely right everyone should boycott Thailand until the truth is revealed. That should go for all the expats ... time they stopped moaning about things and took action by leaving.

talking of which i wonder what the PM gave the RTP for doing such a wonderful job

The world is watching. What's the next move for the rtp?

Travel to Bangkok to collect there prize for solving the case from the prime minister.

We want the truth!!

Until then... BOYCOT KOH TAO!

You're absolutely right everyone should boycott Thailand until the truth is revealed. That should go for all the expats ... time they stopped moaning about things and took action by leaving.

I am quite happy with my life in Thailand. I plan on visiting KT on my next long break from work to visit friends.

You are welcome to stay away though.

If these 2 ,are found to be innocent,,then the S will hit the fan,,For years thailand ,has been accused of covering up for the ,so called connected people,,useing scape goats,,The diffence here is that ,it is megga international news..

We want the truth!!

Until then... BOYCOT KOH TAO!

You're absolutely right everyone should boycott Thailand until the truth is revealed. That should go for all the expats ... time they stopped moaning about things and took action by leaving.

I am quite happy with my life in Thailand. I plan on visiting KT on my next long break from work to visit friends.

You are welcome to stay away though.

Let hope you bump into the hoe man and old gimpy one dark night when you are there. Will give us a break.

We want the truth!!

Until then... BOYCOT KOH TAO!

You're absolutely right everyone should boycott Thailand until the truth is revealed. That should go for all the expats ... time they stopped moaning about things and took action by leaving.

I am quite happy with my life in Thailand. I plan on visiting KT on my next long break from work to visit friends.

You are welcome to stay away though.

Your going to KT to visit "friends", hmmmm, now I understand your posts.......... .....

Any more news on the son of the mafia guy?

Good point, all of a sudden there is'nt any "wagging the dog's tail" in front of us.

But i'm almost sure that "daddy" has paid mucho buck's to keep it out of the spotlight.

They had the DNA samples tested BEFORE they had any real suspects. They were looking for ASIAN suspects on the island. They found two that matched according to what I read. They either have the match or they don't.

As far as the tortured confession, that should be a separate investigation and if wrong-doing then fire and prosecute the guilty. And throw the confession out if that is found.

Then forget all this peripheral BS. Lets get it into court. The DNA match is there or it isn't, that's it!

We want the truth!!

Until then... BOYCOT KOH TAO!

You're absolutely right everyone should boycott Thailand until the truth is revealed. That should go for all the expats ... time they stopped moaning about things and took action by leaving.

I am quite happy with my life in Thailand. I plan on visiting KT on my next long break from work to visit friends.

You are welcome to stay away though.

Your going to KT to visit "friends", hmmmm, now I understand your posts.......... .....

Yes. Friends.

Actually living in Thailand has meant that I have made many friends over the years. Being a diver makes it quite natural that I have friends on KT.

When you get a friend maybe he will invite you to visit, but that may be a long time away.

I don't understand why if somebody disagrees that there innocent they need to be ridiculed on this forum.

Personally I'm reserving judgment until I know all the facts not using rumours to base my judgment on this issue.

I haven't heard the burmese suspects alibi as yet...

Sleeping on the beach ??.