Initial DNA test clears Koh Tao village headman's son of murder

[jdinasia]

How about assault charges? Can they be cleared just purely by this DNA testing? And people talking about one CCTV showing him. How does that explain? Curious to know. We don't know exactly who are the attackers. Could be anyone, it also could be paid for, an instigated attack. So how can they ever find the mastermind's DNA on the victim? Hmm....

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Another conspiracy theory?

Occam's razor..

Conspiracy theory?

Which part is your conspiracy theory?

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No conspiracy theory from me.

[Scully]

Now the prosecutor has asked for more evidence for a 4th time, I guess jdinasia has a lot more faith than the prosecution.

[CWMcMurray]

I won't claim to know anything about the specifics

Of this case, as so much speculation, misinformation, assumptions, rumors and conspiracy theories flying around.. Can't see how anyone could know anything of with any level of certainty...

Although the one thing that is start clear from this case is the relatively low opinion that it seems that nearly all people, both Thai and Foreigners alike, hold the Thai Police ...

It seems that when it comes to the actions of the RTP, no conspiracy theory is too wild and no claim of corruption can be denied by all out of hand...

And if nothing else, that should be a sign to the higher ups of how important it truly is to have a police force that is held in high regard by the public...

Let's hope that at some point action is taken that will lead to the RTP becoming an organization that inspires respect and honor by the citizens rather than fear and suspicion

[tingtong]

did the past month was sufficient enough to swap evidence and give green light to the village hero's son to walk up for a test?

one wonder why the police didn't bother to do it right on the first week in the first place!!

just love how word mafia gets interchanged by influential...but of course Thailand has no mafia, never had, never will be. just people with influence.

[AleG]

You don't have to be. You are assuming that is the only evidence that the police investigation in BKK revealed.

BTW from KT to BKK takes more than 4 hours. First off you must get to Samui or Chumpon then wait for a plane then get from the airport to the university.

4+ hours? Yeah, if he stops off for a Burger King and is after a new pair for flip flops at the airport.

1 hour flight + 30 mins check in + 30 mins from airport to Uni allows 2 hour grace to get to Samui or Chumpon. Might be tight, but do-able if you've got ways and means to make it happen.

Right, did he also time the murders with the boat and plane schedules so there would be absolutely no delays or did he chartered a private speed boat and airplane to do it?

Is it too much to ask for people to think before throwing more BS into the rumor mill?

[Luang]

I won't claim to know anything about the specifics

Of this case, as so much speculation, misinformation, assumptions, rumors and conspiracy theories flying around.. Can't see how anyone could know anything of with any level of certainty...

Although the one thing that is start clear from this case is the relatively low opinion that it seems that nearly all people, both Thai and Foreigners alike, hold the Thai Police ...

It seems that when it comes to the actions of the RTP, no conspiracy theory is too wild and no claim of corruption can be denied by all out of hand...

And if nothing else, that should be a sign to the higher ups of how important it truly is to have a police force that is held in high regard by the public...

Let's hope that at some point action is taken that will lead to the RTP becoming an organization that inspires respect and honor by the citizens rather than fear and suspicion

Won't be holding my breath and neither should you.

[jdinasia]

You don't have to be. You are assuming that is the only evidence that the police investigation in BKK revealed.

BTW from KT to BKK takes more than 4 hours. First off you must get to Samui or Chumpon then wait for a plane then get from the airport to the university.

4+ hours? Yeah, if he stops off for a Burger King and is after a new pair for flip flops at the airport.

1 hour flight + 30 mins check in + 30 mins from airport to Uni allows 2 hour grace to get to Samui or Chumpon. Might be tight, but do-able if you've got ways and means to make it happen.

Right, did he also time the murders with the boat and plane schedules so there would be absolutely no delays or did he chartered a private speed boat and airplane to do it?

Is it too much to ask for people to think before throwing more BS into the rumor mill?

Has anyone ever gone from KT to Samui in 2 hours?

No

[Mooner]

Private speedboat and scheduled flight( 2 possible options)

Don't know. Just saying.

[Mooner]

You don't have to be. You are assuming that is the only evidence that the police investigation in BKK revealed.

BTW from KT to BKK takes more than 4 hours. First off you must get to Samui or Chumpon then wait for a plane then get from the airport to the university.

4+ hours? Yeah, if he stops off for a Burger King and is after a new pair for flip flops at the airport.

1 hour flight + 30 mins check in + 30 mins from airport to Uni allows 2 hour grace to get to Samui or Chumpon. Might be tight, but do-able if you've got ways and means to make it happen.

Right, did he also time the murders with the boat and plane schedules so there would be absolutely no delays or did he chartered a private speed boat and airplane to do it?

Is it too much to ask for people to think before throwing more BS into the rumor mill?

Has anyone ever gone from KT to Samui in 2 hours?

No

90 minutes. Google it.

[lausie]

lets just make a note that you dont dispute that the guy went into hiding and try to move on

Hiding? That is your characterization. Was in BKK. Contacted the police on his own after obtaining a lawyer and exculpatory evidence, would be my characterization.

I did know you wouldn't give a source. It simply wasn't true.

I'm not entirely sure images from CCTV at his condo timestamped anywhere between 4-7 hours after the incident is exculpatory evidence, given you could travel from KT to BKK in that time period.

You don't have to be. You are assuming that is the only evidence that the police investigation in BKK revealed.

BTW from KT to BKK takes more than 4 hours. First off you must get to Samui or Chumpon then wait for a plane then get from the airport to the university.

4+ hours? Yeah, if he stops off for a Burger King and is after a new pair for flip flops at the airport.

1 hour flight + 30 mins check in + 30 mins from airport to Uni allows 2 hour grace to get to Samui or Chumpon. Might be tight, but do-able if you've got ways and means to make it happen.

LOL

You have never been to Koh Tao, have you??

It doesn't have an airport.

I will leave it to you to figure out how long it takes to get to an airport.

I have, actually.

Also, re-read my post. I said "allows 2 hour grace to get to Samui or Chumpon".

Absolute proof you have not been thp

Believe what you want love. Needless to say, when I was on KT, I didn't have to make a dash off the island within a 4 hour timeframe but it's totally do-able if you can pull a few strings.

[Scully]

You don't have to be. You are assuming that is the only evidence that the police investigation in BKK revealed.

BTW from KT to BKK takes more than 4 hours. First off you must get to Samui or Chumpon then wait for a plane then get from the airport to the university.

4+ hours? Yeah, if he stops off for a Burger King and is after a new pair for flip flops at the airport.

1 hour flight + 30 mins check in + 30 mins from airport to Uni allows 2 hour grace to get to Samui or Chumpon. Might be tight, but do-able if you've got ways and means to make it happen.

Right, did he also time the murders with the boat and plane schedules so there would be absolutely no delays or did he chartered a private speed boat and airplane to do it?

Is it too much to ask for people to think before throwing more BS into the rumor mill?

Has anyone ever gone from KT to Samui in 2 hours?

No

KT to Samui in 2 hours, yes.

[Mooner]

Actually quicker. Some sites are claiming 2 hrs by ferry

[billphillips]

Hands in pockets ..... And .... WOW The result is back so quick. Things have speeded up so much with DNA tests within the last few days. But then ... Do I recall ..... The result was strongly hinted at before the test was taken ... I must be mistaken.

One thing that I don't fully understand ... According to the police ... The result of the (not yet taken) DNA test will have no effect on the outcome of the case. Also that the police enquiry was concluded. If this is so, why was the highest ranking police officer on the case and at least one other (well outside their area of jurisdiction) present at this unnecessary DNA press gathering. I know that Thai people like to have a friend accompanying them on special occasions. Perhaps this would be the simple explanation.

I, like so many others, have absolutely no idea who is guilty of this heinous crime. I do however have a very good idea who is guilty of making such an amazing and incomparable mess of the police investigation that followed. I would assume that a first day recruit could have performed in a more professional manner. How can these blundering idiots continue to strut around in their "too tight" uniforms ..... Now I know why the uniforms are brown. Because they are full of <deleted>.

[Mooner]

Jdinasia. KT to Samui I'd easily done in 2 hrs. Just Google it. Look forward to your apology

[BoristheBlade]

Corruption in Thailand I understand and accept but one thing I cannot and will not accept is pure EVIL, what we are witnessing in the last 4 weeks is just that....pure evil

There are some evil money grabbing bastards in this country

[lausie]

You don't have to be. You are assuming that is the only evidence that the police investigation in BKK revealed.

BTW from KT to BKK takes more than 4 hours. First off you must get to Samui or Chumpon then wait for a plane then get from the airport to the university.

4+ hours? Yeah, if he stops off for a Burger King and is after a new pair for flip flops at the airport.

1 hour flight + 30 mins check in + 30 mins from airport to Uni allows 2 hour grace to get to Samui or Chumpon. Might be tight, but do-able if you've got ways and means to make it happen.

Right, did he also time the murders with the boat and plane schedules so there would be absolutely no delays or did he chartered a private speed boat and airplane to do it?

Is it too much to ask for people to think before throwing more BS into the rumor mill?

I don't suppose the murders were timed for anything, but there were a number of flight options to get back to BKK for 9.15am (if, of course, the CCTV has not been tampered with), providing one can get to a suitable airport for a red-eye.

There were numerous reports about a speedboat following the murders. DNA of the operator didn't match that from the crime scene, but that doesn't mean he didn't assist with leaving the island.

Agree with your comment about BS, same applies to rubbishing posts without thinking too

[AleG]

Corruption in Thailand I understand and accept but one thing I cannot and will not accept is pure EVIL, what we are witnessing in the last 4 weeks is just that....pure evil

There are some evil money grabbing bastards in this country

Are you talking about the people locked in a lynch mob mentality that are clamoring to have a man sent to death row based on absolutely no proof whatsoever that he is a murderer?

[Scully]

Jdinasia. KT to Samui I'd easily done in 2 hrs. Just Google it. Look forward to your apology

Don't worry when he is not quoting directly from news sources he shows his credibility.

[MikePhuket1970]

Case is fixed.

Perfect Job.

Reward is waiting.

Unless the truth will finally prevail which is very unlikely in a corrupt country like this

[Thai at Heart]

The fact that the prosecutor keeps flinging the case back suggests that the tests don't even match the Burmese either.

[BoristheBlade]

No, I am talking about people whom have no regard for any form of human life, and hide behind a farsical religon, people whom only beleive in personal greed. People whom have no morals in any shape or form and have the audacity to look down on everyone with utter and total contempt.

As said pure EVIL

I think the lynch mob you mention are the ones in uniform, the Thai courts wont accept the case....4th time I believe....That says everything you need to know

Corruption in Thailand I understand and accept but one thing I cannot and will not accept is pure EVIL, what we are witnessing in the last 4 weeks is just that....pure evil

There are some evil money grabbing bastards in this country

Are you talking about the people locked in a lynch mob mentality that are clamoring to have a man sent to death row based on absolutely no proof whatsoever that he is a murderer?

[BoristheBlade]

This has to be one of the most appalling crime investigations in history.

Two people murdered on an island of less than 2000 people I believe. If this had happened in Bangkok I would understand the difficulties of the investigation.....but come on ...it was on an isolated Island

I have said before, the murders were shoking, but murders and rapes happen in every town, city and village in the world.

What we have witnessed in terms of investigation is an embarrassment to Thailand......and it simply should not have come to pass.

[lausie]

You don't have to be. You are assuming that is the only evidence that the police investigation in BKK revealed.

BTW from KT to BKK takes more than 4 hours. First off you must get to Samui or Chumpon then wait for a plane then get from the airport to the university.

4+ hours? Yeah, if he stops off for a Burger King and is after a new pair for flip flops at the airport.

1 hour flight + 30 mins check in + 30 mins from airport to Uni allows 2 hour grace to get to Samui or Chumpon. Might be tight, but do-able if you've got ways and means to make it happen.

Right, did he also time the murders with the boat and plane schedules so there would be absolutely no delays or did he chartered a private speed boat and airplane to do it?

Is it too much to ask for people to think before throwing more BS into the rumor mill?

Has anyone ever gone from KT to Samui in 2 hours?

No

KT to Samui in 2 hours, yes.

BS

Not possible. But then you need a flight to BKK..

There was a 6am and a 6:15am from Samui that morning arriving at 7:05am and 7:45am respectively.

[Munson]

It's definitely possible for a fast boat to get from KT to KS in 2 hours, it's 40 miles.

I've done that journey several times.

[Squeegee]

I'll tell you all what it's going to take to get to the bottom of this (and what I think will happen eventually) and that is a British investigative journalism TV documentary (if they still have such a thing).

[MJP]

I'll tell you all what it's going to take to get to the bottom of this (and what I think will happen eventually) and that is a British investigative journalism TV documentary (if they still have such a thing).

YES! YES! and YES! again.

Channel 4 likely the best for this.

Oh I do hope the British police investigation report is made available.

Now then, this isn't aimed at any particular poster, but can I please reiterate the Thai Visa forum rules, in particular rule 11.

11) You will not post slurs, degrading or overly negative comments directed towards Thailand, specific locations, Thai institutions such as the judicial or law enforcement system, Thai culture, Thai people or any other group on the basis of race, nationality, religion, gender or sexual orientation.

Please everyone, do be careful what you post. Please don't use names when discussing possible perpetrators of these murders.

Moderating the Koh Tao topics has become like walking a tightrope for us mods, who do this on a voluntary basis. We all want to see real justice as the outcome of this case. But at the same time we have to be aware of Thailand's rather draconian libel laws which are covered under criminal law as well as civil. This is the reason we have to keep removing posts that link the CSI LA Facebook page and we have to keep to boring old mainstream media reports.

This really isn't easy. We honestly don't want to endlessly remove posts. We are not complicit in any sort of bizarre cover up. But we do have to protect the forum and the people who post here.

If anyone has any questions about this, please PM me rather than replying to this post.

Many thanks,

MJP

[Dogmatix]

Obviously there was nil likelihood that his DNA was going to be declared a match or the headman and the police chief would not have organised this dog and pony show for the media 6 weeks after the events. Actually not even the social media bogeyman has said he expected the boy's DNA would match the semen samples found inside the victim, even if it were tested with credibility outside Thailand. There is still the strong possibility that the condom was used on Hannah by a third rapist and there is no strong evidence to suggest that three, four or maybe more people weren't involved in the murders. If the police have incontrovertible evidence to prove the boy was in Bangkok at the time, they have not yet shared it with the public like they shared all their various hunches along the way. The witnesses that police initially said reported that the boy had left the island by speed boat shortly after the murders have not been produced to explain that they were mistaken. It is worth remembering that it was police who initially implicated the boy in the murder and they have done little to allay the suspicions that they, themselves, raised. If they have incontrovertible evidence exonerating the boy and others apart from this DNA test, it would help everyone, if they produced it.

[Dogmatix]

the real problem will be with the initial DNA samples....how were they taken ?, were they taken by a real doctor that knows about DNA collection ? were they tempered with ? all the other DNA samples can be taken over and over again.....

What happened to blood samples taken by the Police General Hospital from the Red Bull brat who knocked off the cop with his Ferrari that were said by the police to show drunkenness and cocaine usage? Go figure.

[maxme]

Luang

You need to both read the defamation laws in Thailand as well as look at what is fact or opinion.

So if you gonna pull sth off with that. Is that gonna be a case of farang vs farang in a Thai court or...

Did you not ignore me?

Is luang a farang? Is Nomsod's father?

As you often tell others... Re-read the post.

[jaywalker]

I was under the believe that Proper DNA tests take a fair time to process and should be done in Forensic Laboratory.....all this rushed testing is crap and the pommy cops should insist on a proper forensic test, not just some local thai hospital.....

http://intrensic.blogspot.com/2009/06/why-does-dna-testing-take-so-long.html ..confirms this....

This is the 21st Century. In many labs all ower the world, DNA test results are available within a few hours, if using the most advanced methods: http://www.angliadna.co.uk/Express-DNA-Testing

Surely you can't be serious? Using 21st Century in reference to Thailand???

Don't call me Shirley.

http://youtu.be/0A5t5_O8hdA