Thailand weighing up police conscription

[Thailand]

They should put young professional soldiers in the police for a period of a few years each. They have a different training and discipline and would probably strengthen the police by their mere presence.

Aren't the young professionals also conscripts?

[ginjag]

Posters need to know the Thai police force has a military structure with Commissioned Officers and lower ranks, with very few coming across the class divide. So you either come in as a grunt or come in as an officer and the latter is restricted to those with cash and connections. Commissioned Officers come through police college.

Conscripts would, of course, enter at the lowest level of cadet or some newly-created conscript rank even lower. The chances of them making the lowest level of Commissioned Officer, sub-lieutenant are about 0.0000000001%. Since conscripts would never make CO ranks, this conscription would have no effect on the composition of police management.

As is/was family and friends of are allowed to enter----also pre paid donations to the local chief ??? of those without connections.

[MediaWatcher]

Chang_paarp, on 04 Nov 2014 - 07:12, said:

I don't suppose reforming the Police to a professional force and make the wage structure reasonable crossed anyone's mind? Attract some who actually want to join and train them to do their jobs in a professional manner.

With a force of 230,000 there must be a lot of inactive posts.

They could halve the number of police, thus doubling their salary, however their is one HUGE hurdle...you must make them do their duty and get off their lazy corrupt <deleted>.

[JOC]

<The new national police chief, Somyot Poompanmoung, is believed to be close to the junta after impressing military chiefs with his handling of anti-coup protests in the wake of the army power grab.

He has vowed a harsh crackdown on police corruption.> Quote

Then please tell us Mr Shinning Knight, how you could afford to buy shares last week for 360 million baht (way above the combined declared assets of you and your wife) ??

Was the murder of the two young Brits on Koh Tao, merely considered an inconvenience because it restricted the cashflow??

Please reveal, let us see what you come up with as (evidence)

www.settrade.com

Go to "get quote"................type WAT..............Open "Company news" And there, dated 28/10 is your evidence!!

Looking forward to your reply!!

[MediaWatcher]

EnglishJohn, on 04 Nov 2014 - 10:10, said:

I never heard anything so ridiculous. Conscription for the Army is understandable, but for the police ? no way.

Let's give random guys on the street the power of arrest and freedom to do much as they please under police protection.

It needs dedicated, well paid officers who are carefully selected and severely punished if they abuse their authority.

The majority of Thai people are simply not fit to be given this responsibility. I see their comments on here every day and despair for the country if they are actually given any power to act on their misguided ethics.

Must be a great opportunity, for "mafia" families, to get their sons into police uniforms, just think of the extra power to "encourage" payments.

[timewilltell]

The Thais know what to do but do anything BUT what is necessary for a working useful system in just about everything outside private businesses. They don't do it because corruption would reduce and that is the last thing anyone in power wants here. The words spoken always belie the deeds undertaken. Everyone knows it and no I be cares so Thai people have what they deserve in their leaders.

[sz1a]

A better solution would be to conscript active forum members on ThaiVisa since they are quite knowledge about Thailand's problems and are exceptional at problem solving.

[ginjag]

<The new national police chief, Somyot Poompanmoung, is believed to be close to the junta after impressing military chiefs with his handling of anti-coup protests in the wake of the army power grab.

He has vowed a harsh crackdown on police corruption.> Quote

Then please tell us Mr Shinning Knight, how you could afford to buy shares last week for 360 million baht (way above the combined declared assets of you and your wife) ??

Was the murder of the two young Brits on Koh Tao, merely considered an inconvenience because it restricted the cashflow??

Please reveal, let us see what you come up with as (evidence)

www.settrade.com

Go to "get quote"................type WAT..............Open "Company news" And there, dated 28/10 is your evidence!!

Looking forward to your reply!!

Suppose everyone can look this up before you posted ?? crazy------get it ?? why post it, then tell everyone to look it up ??

Will respond if you back up your claim.

And your last sentence is a half finished post.

[JOC]

A better solution would be to conscript active forum members on ThaiVisa since they are quite knowledge about Thailand's problems and are exceptional at problem solving.

Are you crazy?? Leave our armchairs??

[JOC]

<The new national police chief, Somyot Poompanmoung, is believed to be close to the junta after impressing military chiefs with his handling of anti-coup protests in the wake of the army power grab.

He has vowed a harsh crackdown on police corruption.> Quote

Then please tell us Mr Shinning Knight, how you could afford to buy shares last week for 360 million baht (way above the combined declared assets of you and your wife) ??

Was the murder of the two young Brits on Koh Tao, merely considered an inconvenience because it restricted the cashflow??

Please reveal, let us see what you come up with as (evidence)

www.settrade.com

Go to "get quote"................type WAT..............Open "Company news" And there, dated 28/10 is your evidence!!

Looking forward to your reply!!

Suppose everyone can look this up before you posted ?? crazy------get it ?? why post it, then tell everyone to look it up ??

Will respond if you back up your claim.

And your last sentence is a half finished post.

Seriously, be a good boy now and take your medication!!

[northernjohn]

Many here have posted good suggestions about the police problem. What most do not understand is that the Royal Thai Police are set up much differently than police in Western countries.

When a Thai becomes a policeman here he has two levels at which he can enter into the service. One is to start as an enlisted police officer with no rank the other is to start out as a sub lieutenant the lowest rank of commissioned police officer. To be a commissioned officer one usually is required to have a college or university degree and it is that position that many pay a gratuity to someone high up to obtain where as an enlisted police officer need not pay.

There in lays the problem. Commissioned offers do not start at the bottom as enlisted policemen and never really get the opportunity to work at that level. Whereas in the West almost all police officers start at the bottom and work their way up which gives them a broader base of experience and knowledge.

In conclusion the whole system needs to change. Every officer must start at the bottom and work their way up obtaining additional training as they prepare to advance. Then promotions will be based upon experience, time in service, education, performance evaluations and promotional exams.

In making this change the Royal Thai Police force would find their police officers to be more capable of taking on greater responsibilities and policing much more efficiently thus requiring fewer police officers to get the job done.

They will never be a truly professional force until they make these changes and increase the base pay and training.

Thank you a sensible reply. More money and better training are not going to do the job if people are entering at a level above new recruit. The system as you have laid it out explains the problem very neatly. It would also allow for more money for the new recruits as their would be a lot less officers with a commission.

[MediaWatcher]

JOC, on 04 Nov 2014 - 11:43, said:JOC, on 04 Nov 2014 - 11:43, said:

ginjag, on 04 Nov 2014 - 11:33, said:ginjag, on 04 Nov 2014 - 11:33, said:

JOC, on 04 Nov 2014 - 11:09, said:JOC, on 04 Nov 2014 - 11:09, said:

ginjag, on 04 Nov 2014 - 10:58, said:ginjag, on 04 Nov 2014 - 10:58, said:

Please reveal, let us see what you come up with as (evidence)

www.settrade.com

Go to "get quote"................type WAT..............Open "Company news" And there, dated 28/10 is your evidence!!

Looking forward to your reply!!

Suppose everyone can look this up before you posted ?? crazy------get it ?? why post it, then tell everyone to look it up ??

Will respond if you back up your claim.

And your last sentence is a half finished post.

Seriously, be a good boy now and take your medication!!

Shouldn't feed the troll...hopefully he will starve and leave.

[ginjag]

Suppose everyone can look this up before you posted ?? crazy------get it ?? why post it, then tell everyone to look it up ??

Will respond if you back up your claim.

And your last sentence is a half finished post.

Seriously, be a good boy now and take your medication!!

You should go to an inactive post as you clearly post something and when asked to verify---OH NO you look it up.

[ginjag]

JOC, on 04 Nov 2014 - 11:43, said:JOC, on 04 Nov 2014 - 11:43, said:

ginjag, on 04 Nov 2014 - 11:33, said:ginjag, on 04 Nov 2014 - 11:33, said:

Suppose everyone can look this up before you posted ?? crazy------get it ?? why post it, then tell everyone to look it up ??

Will respond if you back up your claim.

And your last sentence is a half finished post.

Seriously, be a good boy now and take your medication!!

Shouldn't feed the troll...hopefully he will starve and leave.

You should well know about that subject, siding with your mates half finished post. You stick together, look after yourselves have to do when your a minority here.

You understand why you get attacked by posters ?? maybe not.

If you were to be an understanding person , read his post and read my request reply you could have come up with a different NON hate reply.

[northernjohn]

Please reveal, let us see what you come up with as (evidence)

www.settrade.com

Go to "get quote"................type WAT..............Open "Company news" And there, dated 28/10 is your evidence!!

Looking forward to your reply!!

Suppose everyone can look this up before you posted ?? crazy------get it ?? why post it, then tell everyone to look it up ??

Will respond if you back up your claim.

And your last sentence is a half finished post.

Seriously, be a good boy now and take your medication!!

He did not even do a decent job of trying to change the subject. I am surprised he didn't quote some thing out of Alice in Wonderland. It would be of equal value. Funny the desperation some people have to hang on to the old corrupt people. The fact is the average red shirt in the street is happy. It is only the ones who are on Thaksin's pay roll that are unhappy. They can no longer whip the people up into a fervor to destroy and kill. Raise an army to separate the country and in general do what ever they can to destroy Thailand unless Thaksin is the leader. Then like the little whipped puppy dog's they are they will follow in line with there brown noses.

They are thee last thing Thailand needs for reunification. Makes me for one wonder why they are so desperate to support corruption.

[loongdavid]

IMHO I would like to see the current RTP officers doing the job for which the population expect them to do. Every day it is a common sight to see RTP sitting outside 7-11 drinking coffee, smoking , talking and generally doing SFA. When they do do something resembling their job it's usually stopping motorcyclists who are not wearing helmets. Next day there they are RTP officers riding motorcycles not wearing helmets! If the current RTP numbers did their job they would not need to consider conscription. The OIC of my local cop shop should be fired for his inactivity and general incompetence.

[Carl64]

So give the youngsters a uniform, 8,500 B/month, and that's the ultimate answer to the end of bribery?

New beginnings, obviously.

You forgot to mention a gun!

[Baerboxer]

IMHO I would like to see the current RTP officers doing the job for which the population expect them to do. Every day it is a common sight to see RTP sitting outside 7-11 drinking coffee, smoking , talking and generally doing SFA. When they do do something resembling their job it's usually stopping motorcyclists who are not wearing helmets. Next day there they are RTP officers riding motorcycles not wearing helmets! If the current RTP numbers did their job they would not need to consider conscription. The OIC of my local cop shop should be fired for his inactivity and general incompetence.

You can watch them become a hive of activity, stopping motor bikes, pick ups and trucks. Usually just before lunchtime or dinner time is good to observe this phenomena.

[Baerboxer]

Why do AFP insist on always saying Thaksin is "self exiled"? He is a criminal on the run, a fugitive. In a story about the police, you think that fact might of been worth mentioning as he was a police officer at one time. They might even have checked when he was promoted to Lt-Colonel.

As for police conscription - laughable. Increasing the numbers with poorly paid, likely ill trained, conscripted recruits, who don't want to do the job or probably be where they are sent. And they think this will help solve things? Singapore has it, so it must be a good idea mentality

[Krataiboy]

What's next - the conscription of cheap, forced labour for the fire service, dustbin emptying, street cleaning and other essential services?

Apart from saving money, it would undoubtedly be a vote-winner with a Thai public which generally regards immigrant labour as a necessary evil which vastly inflates the Kingdom's crime rate.

Two birds with one stone!

[Krataiboy]

They should put young professional soldiers in the police for a period of a few years each. They have a different training and discipline and would probably strengthen the police by their mere presence.

Dangerously muddled thinking. Police are there to serve the community. The military is trained to kill. Think it through.

[k9guy62]

Conscription is not a logical manner to obtain quality police officers. As many others have said already, you need to pay a worthy salary. Pay your police like your life depends on it. Right now not only do peoples lives depend on the police. The country is badly in need of police officers who take pride in their police force and their country. Loyalty and works both ways. If you recruit men who want to be better officers you will have officers who will want to strive to better themselves and make their department and their supervisors shine. If you conscript you are liable to get men who are unhappy to do the job to begin with and will be tempted to engage in corruption. Thailand has so much to offer to both Thai nationals and foreigners but some people in government are satisfied with continuing with the old ways. You have to think outside the box and be proactive in your efforts to recruit quality men and women. The junta is on the right track but they have to take bolder strides.

[allan michaud]

How about addressing the rampant corruption before increasing their numbers?

[indyuk]

I think that Police Women would be more reliable especially in dealing with domestic crime and city center policing.

[muffy]

• Very simple ,pay very good with benefits and good working conditions . Make the job very attractive with a good early pension . Then fire anybody that is not honest .

[MediaWatcher]

Krataiboy, on 04 Nov 2014 - 12:26, said:

BestBitterPhuket, on 04 Nov 2014 - 10:57, said:

They should put young professional soldiers in the police for a period of a few years each. They have a different training and discipline and would probably strengthen the police by their mere presence.

Dangerously muddled thinking. Police are there to serve the community. The military is trained to kill. Think it through.

And yet, here we have the military in power.. isn't that meant to serve the community. Silly me, here they are serving themselves.

[toooa]

Easy, just reduce the number of things classed as criminal offences. If they just concentrated on policing violent crime, and crimes with real victims, then there would be enough police. Instead they spend their time tax collecting and going for the soft target big money victimless crime. No hope for the hopeless. The fact that people don't want to join the police, even with all the nice perks, tight uniform and power..tells you something about the quality of the force does it not?

[siampolee]

Thailand weighing up police conscription

These proof readers just can't get the job right can they?

Thailand weighing up police cons.

[maidee]

send all the corrupt RTP to the south and the problem might just resolve itself in a few years time

[Krataiboy]

Thailand does not need more police - it already already has a greater number than many countries with similar size populations - the UK, for example, where the boys and girls in blue do a far better job of serving the public and maintaining law and order.

What Thailand does need is a better-trained and highly-motivated national force that takes a pride in wearing the ubiquitous brown uniform.

The present administration's efforts to purge the national police force of corruption are a welcome first step in this direction. But much more needs to be done to attract a higher standard of recruit.

For many young people who join the force, their hopes for an honourable and worthwhile career in public service are quickly dashed by the reality of low wages, long hours, onerous working conditions and poor promotion prospects.

Routinely exploited by their superiors and struggling to survive financially, many become sufficiently disenchanted to abandon their noble aspirations and follow their peers down the path of bribery and graft.

Some crack mentally under the strain and ending up taking their own lives - a tragedy so commonplace that stressed out police contemplating suicide have been allotted a special hotline for counselling.

Press-ganging thousands of unwilling youngsters into an already-demoralised police force for a pittance may be one way of swelling the ranks while keeping costs down. But this will do nothing to address, let alone eliminate, the existing flaws in the system which deter young men and women from volunteering.

In fact, such a scheme is likely to further undermine morale by creating animosity between regular police and the raw conscripts whom they will be obliged to take under their drooping wings.

The government proposals, as approved "in principle" by the Cabinet, are somewhat vague and beg a number of questions - not least relating to the actual number to be conscripted annually (5,000-10,000 sounds like a figure plucked out of the air) and the actual period of time to be served by each recruit (one year, two?)..

Also, will police work be offered as an alternative to national service in the armed forces - or is it to be an entirely separate operation? Presumably, no youngster will expected to do Army training at 18 and then find himself pitchforked into the police force when he reaches 21?

Since the coup, critics have accused the current administration of trying to return Thailand to the bad old pre-democracy days - an allegation hotly contested by the generals. Turning back the clock ten years by reinstating conscription for the police is guaranteed to provide more ammunition for the opposition.