Koh Tao investigators have until Nov 24 to explain themselves: NHRC

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_{Koh Tao investigators have until Nov 24 to explain themselves: NHRC}
Chanikarn Phumhiran
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Niran Phithakwatchara, a member of the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC), said yesterday that police had until November 24 to explain the case of two Myanmar suspects being allegedly assaulted into confessing to the murder of two Britons on Koh Tao.

If police fail to meet the new deadline, he said at the November 26 NHRC meeting he will propose that the commission lodge a complaint and take legal action against concerned police officers in accordance with the NHRC Act's Article 34.

The NHRC sub-committee on civil and political rights chaired by Niran had summoned the investigators five times for an explanation on the allegation, he said.

The sub-committee had also submitted its interrogation guidelines to affirm that the inquiry was not related to who killed the two British tourists, but was to do with the concerned police team's working methods and if they resorted to beating the suspects as alleged, he said.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Koh-Tao-investigators-have-until-Nov-24-to-explain-30248011.html


-- The Nation 2014-11-18

[Bluespunk]

"The NHRC sub-committee on civil and political rights chaired by Niran had summoned the investigators five times for an explanation on the allegation, he said."

Says a lot when those responsible for enforcing the law, themselves refuse to answer a summons.

Edited November 17, 2014 by Bluespunk

[draftvader]

If police fail to meet the new deadline, he said at the November 26 NHRC meeting he will propose that the commission lodge a complaint and take legal action against concerned police officers in accordance with the NHRC Act's Article 34.

At this point Thailand will have an opportunity to show its colours regarding Human Rights.

[NongKhaiKid]

The BIB won't bother to meet the deadline and then what, another of the infamous ' deadline extensions ' then another and ... ?

I'm sure the junta won't order the National Police Chief to ensure compliance since the PM personally backed the investigators to the hilt.

[RustBucket]

The BIB won't bother to meet the deadline and then what, another of the infamous ' deadline extensions ' then another and ... ?

I'm sure the junta won't order the National Police Chief to ensure compliance since the PM personally backed the investigators to the hilt.

I would imagine it would go to the next stage, they will petition the criminal courts to start proceedings against the police involved.

They won't be able to ignore that.

Silence is basically an admission of guilt. The NHRC have no other choice to accept the reason for not coming in to answer the questions as exactly that..... guilt.

But I believe they can also take this to the UN human rights commission as well. (Which is what they should have done in the first place as soon as the police refused the first time.)

[jcsmith]

The BIB won't bother to meet the deadline and then what, another of the infamous ' deadline extensions ' then another and ... ?

I'm sure the junta won't order the National Police Chief to ensure compliance since the PM personally backed the investigators to the hilt.

So much for reform.

[kalbo123]

Of course in the mean time 2 innocent boys stay in jail.

[wandasloan]

"The NHRC sub-committee on civil and political rights chaired by Niran had summoned the investigators five times for an explanation on the allegation, he said."

Says a lot when those responsible for enforcing the law, themselves refuse to answer a summons.

Well, not really. It says that the police have no obligation to the National Human Rights Commission - mostly because the National Human Rights Commission has no enforcement powers or subpoena-type powers. The police are unlikely to answer a summons from you, either, or from me - and for exactly the same reason.

There is a very, very, VERY clear chain of command which the police must answer. If anyone in that chain of command demands their presence, such as, oh, for example, the only body currently enforcing the law at the moment, the police will respond or pay a price. Do you think that body might try to make the police accountable, given that the man in charge of enforcing the law carefully chose and appointed the chief of police?

Why would the man in absolute charge of all law enforcement give any power to the Human Rights Commission?

[jonclark]

Reminds me somewhat of the famous Robin Williams joke

" “In England, if you commit a crime, the police don't have a gun and you don't have a gun. If you commit a crime, the police will say "Stop, or I'll say stop again."

[smutcakes]

What the hell do they need to see the NHRC for.

Prayut and his hand picked crony at the top of the police have already declared the investigation 'perfect'.

Pigs will fly before those two would admit making a mistake on that level.

Seems that the head of police at least has been spending 100's of millions of baht recently as well buying up Shinawatra family assets. Wonder where that all came from.................

[T_Dog]

It is a good thing that human rights groups from outside of Thailand are keeping the spotlight on this case. The world is waiting and watching to see how far officials will push this frame-up of the two innocent Burmese boys. Meanwhile, no effort is being made to identify and catch the actual people that did commit that horrific crime.

https://www.change.org/p/the-government-of-the-united-kingdom-independently-investigate-the-horrific-murders-of-hannah-witheridge-and-david-miller/u/8753291?tk=2nNgPK60w-Ddf7bWzfK-32Cuf5wDVOpgpoxkye0KC68&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=petition_update_email

[Commerce]

It is a good thing that human rights groups from outside of Thailand are keeping the spotlight on this case. The world is waiting and watching to see how far officials will push this frame-up of the two innocent Burmese boys. Meanwhile, no effort is being made to identify and catch the actual people that did commit that horrific crime.

https://www.change.org/p/the-government-of-the-united-kingdom-independently-investigate-the-horrific-murders-of-hannah-witheridge-and-david-miller/u/8753291?tk=2nNgPK60w-Ddf7bWzfK-32Cuf5wDVOpgpoxkye0KC68&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=petition_update_email

The perpetrators have been identified, and caught. However, after a few bob exchanged hands with the elite mob something bizarre happened - they got let off, and new perpetrators were suddenly found.

[KissMyAxe]

I was thinking maybe this is all part of the plan.... drag it all out as long as possible and eventually the 2 lads get released... then the investigation will just go stale a bit like the kirsty jones case in Chaingmai that is still not concluded...

[thedoctor]

NHRC

sort of like a dog without any teeth,, ill lick you to death if you dont come to me

in regards to the next meeting,,

is this plan b, c, or xyz

I also keep threatning the kids, if you dont put that phone down while im talking,, ill talk to your mother about you,,

and she'll do nothing

[Rykbanlor]

If police fail to meet the new deadline, he said at the November 26 NHRC meeting he will propose that the commission lodge a complaint and take legal action against concerned police officers in accordance with the NHRC Act's Article 34.

At this point Thailand will have an opportunity to show its colours regarding Human Rights.

Those colours, I suspect, are black and blue.

[bangkokheat]

If police fail to meet the new deadline, he said at the November 26 NHRC meeting he will propose that the commission lodge a complaint and take legal action against concerned police officers in accordance with the NHRC Act's Article 34.

At this point Thailand will have an opportunity to show its colours regarding Human Rights.

yes grey comes to mind

[Carrerakiss]

"The NHRC sub-committee on civil and political rights chaired by Niran had summoned the investigators five times for an explanation on the allegation, he said."

Says a lot when those responsible for enforcing the law, themselves refuse to answer a summons.

Well, not really. It says that the police have no obligation to the National Human Rights Commission - mostly because the National Human Rights Commission has no enforcement powers or subpoena-type powers. The police are unlikely to answer a summons from you, either, or from me - and for exactly the same reason.

There is a very, very, VERY clear chain of command which the police must answer. If anyone in that chain of command demands their presence, such as, oh, for example, the only body currently enforcing the law at the moment, the police will respond or pay a price. Do you think that body might try to make the police accountable, given that the man in charge of enforcing the law carefully chose and appointed the chief of police?

Why would the man in absolute charge of all law enforcement give any power to the Human Rights Commission?

Because basic human rights matter?

You're right though of course, HR in Thailand are non existant. Not bashing Thais (before CC weighs in with a Thailand respects all HR type comment), simply stating the reality.

[loonodingle]

Like having a Rottweiler with no teeth.

[outsider]

Pat on the back, good job, well done, reward reward reward eh. Now you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Bozo.

[Artisi]

It is a good thing that human rights groups from outside of Thailand are keeping the spotlight on this case. The world is waiting and watching to see how far officials will push this frame-up of the two innocent Burmese boys. Meanwhile, no effort is being made to identify and catch the actual people that did commit that horrific crime.

https://www.change.org/p/the-government-of-the-united-kingdom-independently-investigate-the-horrific-murders-of-hannah-witheridge-and-david-miller/u/8753291?tk=2nNgPK60w-Ddf7bWzfK-32Cuf5wDVOpgpoxkye0KC68&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=petition_update_email

No need to identify, but catch is the problem seeing as how they are Teflon coated.

[outsider]

The BIB won't bother to meet the deadline and then what, another of the infamous ' deadline extensions ' then another and ... ?

I'm sure the junta won't order the National Police Chief to ensure compliance since the PM personally backed the investigators to the hilt.

Reform. Crackdown. What a load of...

[Artisi]

NHRC - if you don't open your door we'll huff and we'll puff till we blow your house down.

[Bluespunk]

"The NHRC sub-committee on civil and political rights chaired by Niran had summoned the investigators five times for an explanation on the allegation, he said."

Says a lot when those responsible for enforcing the law, themselves refuse to answer a summons.

Well, not really. It says that the police have no obligation to the National Human Rights Commission - mostly because the National Human Rights Commission has no enforcement powers or subpoena-type powers. The police are unlikely to answer a summons from you, either, or from me - and for exactly the same reason.

There is a very, very, VERY clear chain of command which the police must answer. If anyone in that chain of command demands their presence, such as, oh, for example, the only body currently enforcing the law at the moment, the police will respond or pay a price. Do you think that body might try to make the police accountable, given that the man in charge of enforcing the law carefully chose and appointed the chief of police?

Why would the man in absolute charge of all law enforcement give any power to the Human Rights Commission?

Why should law enforcement appear before the NHRC?

Hmm, because it's the right thing to do....

yep, works for me.

After all isn't that what the law is all about...

doing the right thing.

[jdinasia]

The BIB won't bother to meet the deadline and then what, another of the infamous ' deadline extensions ' then another and ... ?

I'm sure the junta won't order the National Police Chief to ensure compliance since the PM personally backed the investigators to the hilt.

I would imagine it would go to the next stage, they will petition the criminal courts to start proceedings against the police involved.

They won't be able to ignore that.

Silence is basically an admission of guilt. The NHRC have no other choice to accept the reason for not coming in to answer the questions as exactly that..... guilt.

But I believe they can also take this to the UN human rights commission as well. (Which is what they should have done in the first place as soon as the police refused the first time.)

A criminal investigation would have to be started.

Not much can happen for ignoring the summons in and of itself.

[boomerangutang]

I guess JohnThailandJohn and his buddy have quit working for ???

No money, no apologies or damage control for the BIB. Huh, guys?

Oh, we'll hear from them, at least jdinasia (maybe Balo also). They'll come down on the side of Thai officialdom, regardless of issue.

I was thinking maybe this is all part of the plan.... drag it all out as long as possible and eventually the 2 lads get released... then the investigation will just go stale a bit like the kirsty jones case in Chaingmai that is still not concluded...

....and there are others, particularly in southern Thai beach areas, which includes Pattaya. I read somewhere this morning that some tourists-to-be claimed to want to avoid Ko Tao, and are going to Ko Phi Phi instead. Ummmm, be careful when stepping in Phi Phi, there are more unsolved crimes there than Ko Tao.

[arrowsdawdle]

The BIB won't bother to meet the deadline and then what, another of the infamous ' deadline extensions ' then another and ... ?

I'm sure the junta won't order the National Police Chief to ensure compliance since the PM personally backed the investigators to the hilt.

This is what happens in a nation where there is no priority on what's right, only on who's right.

[arrowsdawdle]

"The NHRC sub-committee on civil and political rights chaired by Niran had summoned the investigators five times for an explanation on the allegation, he said."

Says a lot when those responsible for enforcing the law, themselves refuse to answer a summons.

Well, not really. It says that the police have no obligation to the National Human Rights Commission - mostly because the National Human Rights Commission has no enforcement powers or subpoena-type powers. The police are unlikely to answer a summons from you, either, or from me - and for exactly the same reason.

There is a very, very, VERY clear chain of command which the police must answer. If anyone in that chain of command demands their presence, such as, oh, for example, the only body currently enforcing the law at the moment, the police will respond or pay a price. Do you think that body might try to make the police accountable, given that the man in charge of enforcing the law carefully chose and appointed the chief of police?

Why would the man in absolute charge of all law enforcement give any power to the Human Rights Commission?

Because no Thai would do such a thing as torture a person to confess?

[Artisi]

"The NHRC sub-committee on civil and political rights chaired by Niran had summoned the investigators five times for an explanation on the allegation, he said."

Says a lot when those responsible for enforcing the law, themselves refuse to answer a summons.

Well, not really. It says that the police have no obligation to the National Human Rights Commission - mostly because the National Human Rights Commission has no enforcement powers or subpoena-type powers. The police are unlikely to answer a summons from you, either, or from me - and for exactly the same reason.

There is a very, very, VERY clear chain of command which the police must answer. If anyone in that chain of command demands their presence, such as, oh, for example, the only body currently enforcing the law at the moment, the police will respond or pay a price. Do you think that body might try to make the police accountable, given that the man in charge of enforcing the law carefully chose and appointed the chief of police?

Why would the man in absolute charge of all law enforcement give any power to the Human Rights Commission?

Why should law enforcement appear before the NHRC?

Hmm, because it's the right thing to do....

yep, works for me.

After all isn't that what the law is all about...

doing the right thing.

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After all isn't that what the law is all about...

doing the right thing.Unquote

Yes, in most civilised countries but of course that doesn't include LOS.

[Sviss Geez]

Of course in the mean time 2 innocent boys stay in jail.

In the meantime 2 innocent-unless-proven-guilty men stay in jail.

[Pundi6446]

waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, and still not a peep heard !