The PC Police and Football

[rijit]

Yep good point ...But this is about people whose opinions supposedly have been held to mean something ,making their decisions to

o condem him playin for sheff utd partly based

on him showing no remorse, surely they cant expect him to show remorse for an offence.he believe he's innocent of? it's sort of unbalanced.

Anyways i'm sure the.circus wont.stop now.

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[rijit]

See mansons.just got a 26 or was

it.36 year old to agree to marry him either way not bad for an 80 plus year old.!!!!

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[carmine]

Yep good point ...But this is about people whose opinions supposedly have been held to mean something ,making their decisions to

o condem him playin for sheff utd partly based

on him showing no remorse, surely they cant expect him to show remorse for an offence.he believe he's innocent of? it's sort of unbalanced.

Anyways i'm sure the.circus wont.stop now.

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My point was a little tongue in cheek. A comparison to Charles Manson is rather harsh on young Ched. Ched's just a d*ckhead.

Edited November 22, 2014 by carmine

[Jip99]

There's nothing 'PC' about this by the way. Political correctness is a good thing, it's basically institutionalized politeness. Not being a c*nt to people. This isn't about that.

So why is CE being hung out to dry by the PC liberal left wing types.

He did his crime, he did his time, why aint he allowed to play again?

What next, every ex con cant go back to work?

I hope CE is smart enough to get a bunch of lawyers onto this and sue the ass off everyone involved.

Not being a c*nt to people.

So, why are the bleeding heart left wing liberals throwing this guy under the bus?

Political correctness is a good thing,

Thank my budda I live in Thailand.

100% spot on.

It seems that a legal sentence in the UK now extends beyond the term handed down by the judge.

PC? Am I allowed to say that I think Vincent Tan is a complete C * * * ?

Edited November 22, 2014 by Jip99

[arthurwait]

Is Chad Evans any good as a footballer, never heard of him before his rape charge, as for Malky he should never manage again he is a complete racist that who maybe in the 70s would be slapped on his back for his comments but not now a days.

He was a good lower division striker before he went down.

On a gay snake ?

[mrbojangles]

He did his crime, he did his time, why aint he allowed to play again?

But he hasn't served his time. He has served about half and is serving the rest outside on license. He can be thrown back inside if he re-offends to serve the remainder of his sentence. Did you know the woman he raped has had to leave her home town and change her name because of death threats?

What next, every ex con cant go back to work?

Nobody is saying he can't go to work but do you think it's ok for him to go and work with young females at a football club?

I hope CE is smart enough to get a bunch of lawyers onto this and sue the ass off everyone involved.

Do you know anything about the law? Cos if you did, you would know there are absolutely no grounds for him to sue anybody. On an average job application form there is a box relating to a criminal record. Employers can do a basic criminal records check where a four-year sentence or more would show up (Evans was five years). They then legally have the right to refuse a person. As I say, no grounds to sue anybody.

[SantiSuk]

But he hasn't served his time. He has served about half and is serving the rest outside on license. He can be thrown back inside if he re-offends to serve the remainder of his sentence. Did you know the woman he raped has had to leave her home town and change her name because of death threats?

I wonder why he has been allowed to serve half his sentence outside prison. Could it be that the authorities judged that he was not a serious re-offender threat? Had he been released to serve half his time outside with a proviso that he not be employed near other women I would accept that.

The fact that some neanderthals choose to commit crimes against the original victims seeme irrelevant to me as to whether he should be allowed employment as a footballer

Nobody is saying he can't go to work but do you think it's ok for him to go and work with young females at a football club?

Is that what he is being employed to do or are you concerned that he will come into contact with women? Are you saying that you believe he is a re-offender risk? Is that because he won't say sorry?

Do you know anything about the law? Cos if you did, you would know there are absolutely no grounds for him to sue anybody. On an average job application form there is a box relating to a criminal record. Employers can do a basic criminal records check where a four-year sentence or more would show up (Evans was five years). They then legally have the right to refuse a person. As I say, no grounds to sue anybody.

I agree. I don't think he has legal recourse against a press and public witchhunt

I commented to your specific points above Mr Bo. To be clear I am no apologist for rape, or for yobbish disrespectful behaviour towards women. I have no idea whether he is guilty or not. I do however dislike this tendency toward trial by media and by visceral reaction of the public. I tend to prefer trusting the safeguards that have been worked out over time being applied on a systematic basis. If anyone has hard evidence that system has been applied on a flawed basis let's hear it.

[champers]

Bladdy ridiculous that Evans is condemned for longer than the sentence that society imposed on him. People jumping on a massive PC bandwagon. Agree with others - whether he is repentent or not is irrelevant - he's done his time and he has every right to disagree with his conviction.

Fair dos; but if he was good enough would you be happy to have him in your team?

Edited November 22, 2014 by champers

[SantiSuk]

Of course. If I had any evidence that he was a re-offender risk, then no.

[rgs2001uk]

He did his crime, he did his time, why aint he allowed to play again?

But he hasn't served his time. He has served about half and is serving the rest outside on license. He can be thrown back inside if he re-offends to serve the remainder of his sentence. Did you know the woman he raped has had to leave her home town and change her name because of death threats?

What next, every ex con cant go back to work?

Nobody is saying he can't go to work but do you think it's ok for him to go and work with young females at a football club?

I hope CE is smart enough to get a bunch of lawyers onto this and sue the ass off everyone involved.

Do you know anything about the law? Cos if you did, you would know there are absolutely no grounds for him to sue anybody. On an average job application form there is a box relating to a criminal record. Employers can do a basic criminal records check where a four-year sentence or more would show up (Evans was five years). They then legally have the right to refuse a person. As I say, no grounds to sue anybody.

I am not a lawyer, I know nothing about the the terms and conditions of his release, do you?

Lets be honest, if this was some brickie going back to work on his local building site, it would never have made the back page never mind the front.

As for serving his time, does anyone these days?

See opening sentence.

The PC brigade have jumped all over this, the sad reality is, we no longer have a football team, we have a product to be marketed, in the greed is good league.

How many of the PC brigade have ever stood on the terraces at Derby in the middle of winter as their team was thumped 6-1?

[tw25rw]

I am not a lawyer, I know nothing about the the terms and conditions of his release, do you?

Lets be honest, if this was some brickie going back to work on his local building site, it would never have made the back page never mind the front.

As for serving his time, does anyone these days?

See opening sentence.

The PC brigade have jumped all over this, the sad reality is, we no longer have a football team, we have a product to be marketed, in the greed is good league.

How many of the PC brigade have ever stood on the terraces at Derby in the middle of winter as their team was thumped 6-1?

It's nothing to do with the "PC brigade". You anti-PC people are just as tiresome btw.

Football depends heavily on sponsorships and advertising for revenue. It also depends heavily on supporters, many of whom are women, being willing to pay money to attend games and spend money on food/merchandise etc. They won't do this if they don't feel pride in the team and in the sport itself. Sex offenders are some of the most reviled people out there and the powers that be would have to think very carefully about the image of the game as would any club that employed him.

I hope CE is able to get the conviction overturned and think he has a case. If he doesn't, he'll just have to find another job like thousands of other footballers do every year when for some reason they have to give up.

[champers]

tw25rw: As a Hammer you will also be aware that clubs can sometimes listen when fans speak out. El Hadji Diouff didn't join West Ham because the fans were so vocally opposed to the move. He too had served his various sentences and punishments (there were plenty of them, mind you). Interestingly, Neil Warnock; who called Diouff a sewer rat when he managed QPR; went on to sign him at Leeds.

[tw25rw]

tw25rw: As a Hammer you will also be aware that clubs can sometimes listen when fans speak out. El Hadji Diouff didn't join West Ham because the fans were so vocally opposed to the move. He too had served his various sentences and punishments (there were plenty of them, mind you). Interestingly, Neil Warnock; who called Diouff a sewer rat when he managed QPR; went on to sign him at Leeds.

I remember it. He went to Doncaster and scored against us.. We were also linked with someone this season who had a conviction for gang raping someone as a teenager. We also had Ben Thatcher on trial and didn't take him on, possibly because he was booed every touch when he played for us in a friendly. I'm not necessarily personally anti these people, but plenty are.

[Mossfinn]

Jangles is spot on, he has not served his time, he is out on licence.

Have some of you read the detail on the case?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/ched-evans-has-served-his-time--and-other-misconceptions-about-the-convicted-rapist-footballer-9957849.html

Anyway, another perspective,

For those that think he has a good case for appeal, we left our clubs behind 10k years ago, but not all of us, it would appear, are able to walk without the aid of our knuckles.

[Chicog]

I suppose it comes down to whether or not you believe that when someones done their time, then thats it. Certainly in the case of Ched Evans, despite the fact that he isn't the slightest bit repentant of his actions.

Evan's case is still under judicial review. He claims he has nothing to be "repentant" about.

And let's face it, he wouldn't be the first bloke to be falsely accused of rape.

[carmine]

Ched Evans should have no place on a football pitch. He's a convicted rapist that hasn't served his time, has shown little or no remorse for the crime and certainly no sympathy to that poor girl, bar an all too late statement that was little more than a PR exercise.

The mind boggles as to what on earth goes through the heads of the Oldham Athletic board.

[StevieH]

the girl, his victim, has had to change her identity five times so far and couldn't even spend christmas with her family due to harassment and threats from online trolls who support evans. just think about that for a moment. it's absolutely vile behaviour.

[binnsy1]

https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2015/01/07/ched-evans-not-the-account-youre-being-given-by-the-mainstream-media/

[tw25rw]

the girl, his victim, has had to change her identity five times so far and couldn't even spend christmas with her family due to harassment and threats from online trolls who support evans. just think about that for a moment. it's absolutely vile behaviour.

That's nothing to do with him though. That's just people that want to make trouble.

[StevieH]

the girl, his victim, has had to change her identity five times so far and couldn't even spend christmas with her family due to harassment and threats from online trolls who support evans. just think about that for a moment. it's absolutely vile behaviour.

That's nothing to do with him though. That's just people that want to make trouble.

oh granted. just pisses me off that 99% of the debate around ched evans has been about his suitability to return to a football pitch to have his name lauded and cheered. while pretty much none of the discussion has focused on the poor woman whose life has been totally ruined.

[Chicog]

Ched Evans is now rumoured to be in talks with Tottenham.

'If that happens I'm done with football; the very thought of it makes me feel sick to the stomach. It's disgusting' said Evans.

[Mossfinn]

I am not a lawyer, I know nothing about the the terms and conditions of his release, do you?

Lets be honest, if this was some brickie going back to work on his local building site, it would never have made the back page never mind the front.

As for serving his time, does anyone these days?

See opening sentence.

The PC brigade have jumped all over this, the sad reality is, we no longer have a football team, we have a product to be marketed, in the greed is good league.

How many of the PC brigade have ever stood on the terraces at Derby in the middle of winter as their team was thumped 6-1?

Your first line Yes.

Your second line, a brickie is generally not a role model to the young and by certain posters on here, the not so young.

Your third line, yes, mostly not, but that is the judicial system of the UK, as for your fourth, it might be best to get a rudimentary knowledge of the case, before supporting him.

If I am proven to be PC because this man should not disgrace a football pitch again, well I guess I will have to live with that. As for the product, we created the monster by going en masse to the grounds and paying for sky, guilty as charged your honour.

No I have never seen Derby thumped 6-1 in winter, but will Oxford do as a counter offer?

[Mossfinn]

Can I re-acquaint certain facts in regard to his conviction.

She had, had a good drink, almost certainly very drunk, the jury believed this anyway.

She met Evans' mate in a take-away, early hours of the morning, they obviously go to the hotel together- nothing wrong yet, apart from her having too much drink for her own good, however here's the hat trick- he text's Evans' to say 'he has a bird'.

Evans then heads for the hotel with his younger brother.

They watch the couple have sex.

Evans, his brother, and the night porter are outside trying to take a video somehow.

Evans, at his own admission then joins in and has sex with the girl.

They both leave her in the room and leave by a fire exit.

He maintains he is innocent, he is is found guilty by a jury of his peers, remember this is just a précis of the court case.

Do you still support him and think I am being PC?