This has gone too far.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11345369/Oxford-University-Press-bans-use-of-pig-sausage-or-pork-related-words-to-avoid-offending-Muslims.html

The Oxford University Press has warned its writers not to mention pigs, sausages or pork-related words in children's books, in an apparent bid to avoid offending Jews and Muslims.

As of today I will avoid all restaurants displaying a star and crescent, and also all foods in the supermarket displaying the same.

Jews don't care.

Seriously, they really don't care.

Many Jews in the U.S. and U.K. eat pork, dudes.

I can't even imagine any Jew being offended by the word pork or pig in a book.

I can't speak for Muslims.

But please don't anyone dare put the blame for this silliness on Jews.

The OP will avoid all foods and restaurants that are halal.

Ok, no problem with that, do as you will......but why? He's boycotting products that may be being sold by just about anyone, Muslim or not. If I open a vegetarian restaurant, my target customers will be vegetarians of any race or religion, but if I can attract Muslims and Jews by a few adjustments to ingredients or procedures, why wouldn't I? And thus I can put a kosher and halal sign up. But the OP will not come to my restaurant....because..... hmmm, I'm not really sure why he won't.

The OP will avoid all foods and restaurants that are halal.

Ok, no problem with that, do as you will......but why? He's boycotting products that may be being sold by just about anyone, Muslim or not. If I open a vegetarian restaurant, my target customers will be vegetarians of any race or religion, but if I can attract Muslims and Jews by a few adjustments to ingredients or procedures, why wouldn't I? And thus I can put a kosher and halal sign up. But the OP will not come to my restaurant....because..... hmmm, I'm not really sure why he won't.

An overreaction against the inslamification of the world.

On reflection I will simply not spend my money at stalls and retailers where the owner is clearly a member of that religion.

You may think this is petty and pointless, and we should all be hugging muslims.

That would mean acceptance and resignation to the stated aim of the religion to have an islamic world. They have an agenda and a strategic plan. The immediate goal is to increase the membership from the current 25% of the world's population to 30% by the year 2020.

The long term aims are being achieved through the encouragement to have large families. With a current 5% of the UK population living according to the Koran, already the percentage of new babies born into the religion is double at 10%. And as this cohort moves into puberty and starts producing babies almost as soon as they are fertile, the compounding rate goes up rapidly. Give them 200 years and the UK and a few more European countries could well be under islamic majority rule.

Who is going to stop them having lots of kids?

Who is going to ban the religion?

Who is going to stop them having proportional representation?

No one.

Might as well get a copy of the Koran for your great grandchildren, they could be needing it.

This surely demonstrates the ignorance of the OUP with regard to kosher and halal foods.

I have enjoyed excellent sausages all over the world - Saudi Arabia, Iran, Israel and dozens of other countries.

Also, this policy was not put in place for Jews or Muslims until this terrorist attack - so it seems like abject capitulation

The OP will avoid all foods and restaurants that are halal.

Ok, no problem with that, do as you will......but why? He's boycotting products that may be being sold by just about anyone, Muslim or not. If I open a vegetarian restaurant, my target customers will be vegetarians of any race or religion, but if I can attract Muslims and Jews by a few adjustments to ingredients or procedures, why wouldn't I? And thus I can put a kosher and halal sign up. But the OP will not come to my restaurant....because..... hmmm, I'm not really sure why he won't.

An overreaction against the inslamification of the world.

On reflection I will simply not spend my money at stalls and retailers where the owner is clearly a member of that religion.

You may think this is petty and pointless, and we should all be hugging muslims.

That would mean acceptance and resignation to the stated aim of the religion to have an islamic world. They have an agenda and a strategic plan. The immediate goal is to increase the membership from the current 25% of the world's population to 30% by the year 2020.

The long term aims are being achieved through the encouragement to have large families. With a current 5% of the UK population living according to the Koran, already the percentage of new babies born into the religion is double at 10%. And as this cohort moves into puberty and starts producing babies almost as soon as they are fertile, the compounding rate goes up rapidly. Give them 200 years and the UK and a few more European countries could well be under islamic majority rule.

Who is going to stop them having lots of kids?

Who is going to ban the religion?

Who is going to stop them having proportional representation?

No one.

Might as well get a copy of the Koran for your great grandchildren, they could be needing it.

May I suggest you cut down to just 6 drinks more.

Plainly your thread is not about a publishing company being overly PC, but is a conduit to rail against an entire religion.

Rail away.

But before you carry on, you should understand that whatever figures you're quoting ("stated aim", "30% by 2020" etc) are not representative of the religion, but may be the words of an extreme minority.

May I suggest you cut down to just 6 drinks more.

Plainly your thread is not about a publishing company being overly PC, but is a conduit to rail against an entire religion.

Rail away.

But before you carry on, you should understand that whatever figures you're quoting ("stated aim", "30% by 2020" etc) are not representative of the religion, but may be the words of an extreme minority.

Read the words.

http://www.ukim.org/ukim/struggle/

Ideas must change if we are to make Islam relevant to our times and society, and see it take roots in the totality of human life and society.

Muslims are required to invite humanity to Islam - God's Way

This must be the priority of the Muslim Community. It is our belief, that efforts in this direction will help in taking Islam further and deeper into the British society and build a brighter future for all people.

It is their "struggle" to convert the world to islam.

The majority are working towards it in a slow, unrelenting and "peaceful" way. And this is the hidden danger.

The radical loonies will, I think, be increasingly castigated by the "peaceful movement" in order to pursue the greater aims of converting the world to islam.

As I will be certainly dead in 30 years times, probably long before, I suppose I should just shut up and not say or do anything. Mainly because, as indeed you have shown, most people are now scared to criticise because of fear that they will upset the wrong islamic, or to avoid being told not to do it, as it is not the thing to do in the era of multiculturalism.

But if nobody says anything at all, our descendants will live in a mono cultural islamic world.

Good luck to them......

http://www.ukim.org/ukim/struggle/

Ideas must change if we are to make Islam relevant to our times and society, and see it take roots in the totality of human life and society.

Muslims are required to invite humanity to Islam - God's Way

This must be the priority of the Muslim Community. It is our belief, that efforts in this direction will help in taking Islam further and deeper into the British society and build a brighter future for all people.

It is their "struggle" to convert the world to islam.

The majority are working towards it in a slow, unrelenting and "peaceful" way. And this is the hidden danger.

The radical loonies will, I think, be increasingly castigated by the "peaceful movement" in order to pursue the greater aims of converting the world to islam.

As I will be certainly dead in 30 years times, probably long before, I suppose I should just shut up and not say or do anything. Mainly because, as indeed you have shown, most people are now scared to criticise because of fear that they will upset the wrong islamic, or to avoid being told not to do it, as it is not the thing to do in the era of multiculturalism.

But if nobody says anything at all, our descendants will live in a mono cultural islamic world.

Good luck to them......

Firstly, your link goes to a UKIM site whose main purpose appears to be to get money. 2 links on the homepage to "Donate now" and a whole sidebar of Q'uran quotes about giving to charity.

No logic on my part, but ANY religious website that concentrates on convincing visitors to donate is dodgy IMO.

Secondly...is this website representative at all? I seriously doubt it. Show me up as wrong, please.

Thirdly, I have lived amongst Muslims for all but the first 7 years of my life....I have never been prosletysed and I have never witnessed prosletyising. "Invite to Islam" is this particular group's message, not Islam in general, I would hazard.

Fourthly, do you take as "gospel" the words of some Christian minority sects websites? If not, then why this Muslim website, and if so......can I offer you a fantastic deal on a 20 rai block of beachfront land near where I live in Thailand? Very low deposit of 1 million baht for land that is valued at 50 million...I need it in cash so as to pay the land department and the lawyer up front.

Firstly, your link goes to a UKIM site whose main purpose appears to be to get money. 2 links on the homepage to "Donate now" and a whole sidebar of Q'uran quotes about giving to charity.

No logic on my part, but ANY religious website that concentrates on convincing visitors to donate is dodgy IMO.

Secondly...is this website representative at all? I seriously doubt it. Show me up as wrong, please.

Thirdly, I have lived amongst Muslims for all but the first 7 years of my life....I have never been prosletysed and I have never witnessed prosletyising. "Invite to Islam" is this particular group's message, not Islam in general, I would hazard.

Fourthly, do you take as "gospel" the words of some Christian minority sects websites? If not, then why this Muslim website, and if so......can I offer you a fantastic deal on a 20 rai block of beachfront land near where I live in Thailand? Very low deposit of 1 million baht for land that is valued at 50 million...I need it in cash so as to pay the land department and the lawyer up front.

Hi,

1. I have never come across a religion that is not asking for cash. They are all at it, every single one. In some countries, for example Switzerland, if you declare belonging to a religion on your tax form then you pay an additional tax, collected by the tax payer, which is then passed on to the relevant religion.

2. I think that the website realistically portrays the aims of islam. That particular group have been spreading the message for over 50 years in the UK and now claim over 45 branches and 30 mosques, so it is not an insignificant minority sect, but is broadly representative of islam in the UK and the world.

3. I agree that converting people to islam is currently not their main strategy, which is more through immigration, incessant baby production and huge barriers to muslims to even think about alternatives, let alone attempting to leave the faith (which is severely penalised). However they have done an exceedingly good job at proselyting Indonesia, Malaysia and a chunk of southern Thailand in the last eight hundred odd years.

4. I have no time for other religions either, but they neither represent a serious threat to the western culture nor any other culture.

Thanks for the land offer, think I'll have to pass on that one.

I agree that this decision by the OUP is ridiculous.

But I see that the OP has conveniently ignored the reaction of Khalid Mahmood MP, who is Muslim, and quoted in the article he linked to.

"I absolutely agree (that it's ridiculous). That’s absolute utter nonsense. And when people go too far, that brings the whole discussion into disrepute."

An over reaction by the OUP; which does not reflect the opinions of British Muslims or Jews.

My Muslim neighbour has a young daughter; her favourite TV character?

Peppa Pig.

She has Peppa Pig toys and books bought for her by her parents and relatives.

So do many of her friends; of all religions.

This from the Times of Israel

When contacted by AFP, an OUP spokesman stressed the publisher did not have “a blanket ban on pigs or pork products” in its titles.

But he added: “We provide guidance to authors on a range of areas that might cause offence in specific markets. This does, among other things, include advice around the use of images of pigs.”

I did not overlook his remarks.

However, he lives in a country in which islam is still a minority group and has to be careful not to ignite anti-islamic feelings.

Check out the issues surrounding school food in the UK.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2623860/Now-halal-sneaks-schools-Parents-angered-councils-ban-pork-sausages-bacon-replace-ritually-slaughtered-meat.html

Should UK citizens really lose their jobs because they made a mistake in serving non-halal food to islams?

Once they have reached 25 to 30% of the population, we'll start to see them demanding more.

Where I live the islamic population is in the majority. There are no happy little Peppa Pig toys here, and they have not permitted the single seller of pork to have a stand in the local markets. He has to set up his stand a couple of hundred metres away.

Very tolerant, eh?

Where do you live?

You seem to be advocating that we in the West should be intolerant of others because people elsewhere are intolerant. I believe we are better than that.

Pork banned in British schools and non Muslim pupils forced to eat Halal or go hungry?

Yes, in a few schools overzealous staff have done so; but only in a minority of schools. In many schools with a significant proportion of Muslim pupils then Halal and non Halal choices are available. Ditto for Kosher in schools with a significant proportion of Jewish pupils. Other schools offer non Halal and non Kosher food only.

The issue of Halal, and Shechita, meat in the UK, and the hyped and often ill informed reaction of the right wing press, has been discussed at length on numerous occasions; here for example.

As can be seen from the FSA and RSPCA information there, UK consumers are just as likely to be buying unlabelled Shectica meat as Halal; but that Shectica meat is over 8 times more likely not to have been pre stunned prior to slaughter.

If you object to Halal on animal welfare grounds; fine. But you must also object to Shechita.

Objecting to Halal but not Shechita is pure hypocrisy.

I've previously posted a video from an animal rights group showing the practices in secular slaughterhouses; you'll find it in the topic linked to above. It's not pleasant.

Indeed, much scientific evidence has shown that it can be argued that both Halal and Shechita are more humane than other methods of slaughter.

See also Halal hysteria

.....consider the verdict of Joe Regenstein, professor of food science at Cornell University in the United States, who leads the university’s Kosher and Halal Food Initiative.

“Many of those attacking religious slaughter have no clue as to what is happening,” he tells me. “It is more of an Islamophobic issue, not an animal well-being issue.” Compared to modern, secular methods of slaughter, he says, “the traditional or Prophetic method might actually be equal or possibly superior” because the initial pain of the throat cut results “in the animal releasing large quantities of endorphins, putting it in a state of euphoria and numbness”. The cut thus serves as its own stun. The scientific evidence against halal slaughter, Regenstein says, “is extremely weak and has often been done poorly with an agenda driving a desired outcome”.

Where do you live?

You seem to be advocating that we in the West should be intolerant of others because people elsewhere are intolerant. I believe we are better than that.

Pork banned in British schools and non Muslim pupils forced to eat Halal or go hungry?

Yes, in a few schools overzealous staff have done so; but only in a minority of schools. In many schools with a significant proportion of Muslim pupils then Halal and non Halal choices are available. Ditto for Kosher in schools with a significant proportion of Jewish pupils. Other schools offer non Halal and non Kosher food only.

The issue of Halal, and Shechita, meat in the UK, and the hyped and often ill informed reaction of the right wing press, has been discussed at length on numerous occasions; here for example.

As can be seen from the FSA and RSPCA information there, UK consumers are just as likely to be buying unlabelled Shectica meat as Halal; but that Shectica meat is over 8 times more likely not to have been pre stunned prior to slaughter.

If you object to Halal on animal welfare grounds; fine. But you must also object to Shechita.

Objecting to Halal but not Shechita is pure hypocrisy.

I've previously posted a video from an animal rights group showing the practices in secular slaughterhouses; you'll find it in the topic linked to above. It's not pleasant.

Indeed, much scientific evidence has shown that it can be argued that both Halal and Shechita are more humane than other methods of slaughter.

See also Halal hysteria

.....consider the verdict of Joe Regenstein, professor of food science at Cornell University in the United States, who leads the university’s Kosher and Halal Food Initiative.

“Many of those attacking religious slaughter have no clue as to what is happening,” he tells me. “It is more of an Islamophobic issue, not an animal well-being issue.” Compared to modern, secular methods of slaughter, he says, “the traditional or Prophetic method might actually be equal or possibly superior” because the initial pain of the throat cut results “in the animal releasing large quantities of endorphins, putting it in a state of euphoria and numbness”. The cut thus serves as its own stun. The scientific evidence against halal slaughter, Regenstein says, “is extremely weak and has often been done poorly with an agenda driving a desired outcome”.

I have no views on how animals are killed for food, provided that they do not suffer.

I am objecting to the spread of islam.

I am objecting that we should change our behaviour to comply with their religious beliefs.

I am objecting to the undermining of the culture of the world's populations.

I am objecting to the "we are better than that" nonsense when we have mosques erected and they scream "Allah Akbed" from the loud speakers. I do not want to hear that cr@p.

I am objecting to the abuse of women under islam.

I am objecting to not being able to see the face of the person in front of me.

I am objecting to the spread of primitive ideals in the face of 2,000 years of scientific progress.

I am objecting to the mutilation of every boy under islam when he has his foreskin cut off.

I am objecting to the ludicrous idea that one man 1,600 years ago is the sole deliverer of the word of god.

I am objecting to the belief that Arabic is god's language.

I am objecting to the idea that islam is the one and only true religion and that mohamed is the one and only true prophet.

I am objecting to the lack of integration into the countries they immigrate into.

I am objecting to the way they differentiate themselves from everybody else through dress and behaviour.

And I know that many people in Europe have the same opinion as me, but are now too afraid to state it.

They are winning.

And we take it up the butt.

And there is, as far as I can see, no way of stopping the further islamification of Europe.

"They are nice muslims and all they want to do is to follow their religion"

Which means they ultimately want to live in an islamic state, under islamic law as defined in the koran and interpreted by immans.

Yes, I am angry.

Because we are taking it up the butt.

And nobody says, "no more" because we are "tolerant and nice".

But a lot of people see it. And are too scared to utter a single word, because,

"maybe it might work out OK, and we can integrate into one happy multicultural society"

SUCKERS.

But maybe we can draw a little relief from your reference.

"because the initial pain of the throat cut results “in the animal releasing large quantities of endorphins, putting it in a state of euphoria and numbness”."

Post that to the relatives of the poor guys exhibited to the world as their throats were cut in the name of islam and allah akbed.

Religion is an evil force.

There is no god.

Such a thing is not necessary to scientifically prove how the universe came into existence.

Religion was invented by despots attempting to exert power over stupid and ignorant people. And islam is trying to perpetuate this and increase the numbers of stupid and ignorant people.

Most, if not all, of your objections can equally be applied to not just the other Abrahamic religions, but to all religions!

Still interested to hear where you live; where Peppa Pig is banned, pork can be sold but not with other meat and you can hear the call to prayer.