Autopsy detects no sign of an attack on British Koh Tao backpacker

[catsanddogs]

This girl's mother must have been aware when her daughter visited Koh Tao of the murders of Hannah and David. Unless her daughter already had a life threatening illness, she must be very naive to allow an autopsy to be carried out in Thailand. The girl was found dead on 21st January - 5 days ago so it surely wouldn't have been that difficult to have the body bought back to the UK in that time for an autopsy to be carried out. It doesn't take a genius to understand that 'No sign of attack' does not necessarily mean she died of natural causes or of a drug overdose. And 'No semen' doesn't rule out foul play. There's an interesting point raised on FB about the doors of the rooms in the In Touch where she was staying not being able to be opened from the outside with a key when they are locked from inside.

Please ... as if the family has the right to tell a foreign country whether or not to investigate (autopsy) if a crime (murder) occurred in their own country. What a bunch of disrespectful nonsense making such ignorant speculation of this poor women who just lost a daughter when you cannot even use common sense about laws. All this further compounded with the spreading of another very a moronic Facebook comment suggesting a hotel door cannot being opened by staff, as this one was, if locked from the inside.

A young girl dies who was taking medication including pain killers and benzos while drinking as well as buying an expensive antibiotics in the days before dying. All indications from the witneses, the scene and medical examinations to date indicate no foul play and the mother has stated very early on her daughter died of natural causes. While it would seem her use of the word "natural causes" may not be the medical definition, it seems very clear what she meant.

There is absolutely zero reason, outside of far fetched theories, to suggest foul play and MANY factual reasons to point to there being no foul play. For God's sake let them conclude with the medical results and show the mother just a basic bit of respect and privacy at least until she gets her daughter back and cared for. While you and others want to play social media detectives for your own thrills, this women lost a daughter whom she knew and loved and this kind of wild idiotic unfounded rumor spreading serves absolutely no purpose except to satisfy some self feelings of inadequacy .... this women is no difference than the family of the actual Koh Tao murder victims who made clear such nonsense internet posting was hurtful to them. A big difference however here is there is no murder investigation ad a murder has not even been confirmed and there isn't anything to indicate any foul play ... except for what the morons on Facebook will come up with as the continue to feed each other to be convinced this was a murder.

While you may actually think people are stupid, there is nobody who can read the OP who isn't aware that lack of semen and lack of there being any sign of attack doesn't prove there was not foul play but rather just makes it less likely especially combined with other facts we know such as the medication, her door being locked from the inside and her valuables not missing. So, why mention this unless trying to promote it? And why mention overdose or natural cause when the report doesn;t suggest or mention either unless you are trying to create a subtle false argument that these are the only other two alternatives just as you try to state the mother is either "very naive" or the daughter had a a life threatening illness before she traveled. Really, while either might be truer is this the only two options?

This is just a bunch of nonsense with the clear design to manipulate other emotionally driven non-critical thinking people to get on another conspiracy band wagon. There is a whole world that exists outside the one of fantasy detectives land on social media that is filled with actual facts and logic and plausible theories that you don't need to lower your IQ to be part of.

Unless foul play is proven or even realistically suspected to be involved, none of us have any right to know the details of this girls life and death and this is the way it should be. Bullying and hindering authorities with nonsense theories and lies spread on the internet to release information that will be selectively believed and the rest used to fuel the needs of Social Media Detectives is a disgusting game to play when real people whose lives have already turned upside down are involved.

From a FB page:

German woman wrote, adding that the reason she thought. Mr Diamond Valley Kitchen bungalow owners. Lying because he told her that Christina drug Temple inlaid with alcohol. Because she wanted to commit suicide.The Labor met her. For it is the day that the customers have to check it out. Step into the room The door was left open to me. ????

she said Do not believe it,

The Owner of the Hotel told me that she took a lot of Valium and Alkohol and she wants to kill herself ... and they just found her because she had to check out this Day and the door was Open and I. do not and can 't believe that !!!

[JLCrab]

Yeah cause old people don't drink or take drugs (#26 above). Maybe somewhere else but not it seems so much on Koh Tao -- but maybe there are no old folks in this 22 JAN 2015 KT Pub Crawl picture because they were all worn out from a hard day's playing shuffleboard by the beach:

[MaxLee]

Autopsy done by Thai mafia doctors results COMPLETELY FAKED and ready to be handed to Britain....

Edited January 25, 2015 by MaxLee

[webfact]

Autopsy fails to find any traces of assault on British backpacker

BANGKOK: -- The police forensic science institute has confirmed that there were no traces of assault or semen in the body of British political activist Christina Annesley who died on Koh Tao resort island on January 19.

Pol Maj-Gen Pornchai Sutheerakhun, director of the Forensic Science Institute of the Police Hospital, said Sunday that initial result of the autopsy of Ms Annesley showed that there were no traces whatsoever that she was assaulted and no traces of semen were detected in her body.

However, he said that the autopsy result could not determine the actual cause of the victim’s death at this moment as police would have to wait for the result of tests for toxic substance in her body.

Ms Christina became the third British backpacker died on the popular resort island. Two other British tourists, Ms Hannah Witheridge and David Miller, were killed on Koh Tao last year. Two Myanmar migrant workers are now being tried for the murder of the two Britons.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/autopsy-fails-find-traces-assault-british-backpacker


-- Thai PBS 2015-01-26

[Griffo63]

Why is it that the "experts in everything" that seem to populate TV can't just accept that from time to time people do just die of natural causes?

[sanuk711]

Autopsy detects no sign of an attack on British Koh Tao backpacker--OP

Autopsy's

You really don't think that some of the loons on TV will take that as proof do you---

---not when they have serial killers & conspiracy theories to hold onto.

We are just so lucky on ThaiVisa that we have so many over qualified

Doctors & Detectives to solve all these crimes for us...........

.

Any progress on the reported sighting of Lord Lucan...................

Edited January 26, 2015 by sanuk711

[berybert]

Why is it that the "experts in everything" that seem to populate TV can't just accept that from time to time people do just die of natural causes?

It is nothing to do with why. Everything to do with where.

[berybert]

Autopsy detects no sign of an attack on British Koh Tao backpacker--OP

Autopsy's

You really don't think that some of the loons on TV will take that as proof do you--- not when they have serial killers & conspiracy theories to hold onto. We are just so lucky on ThaiVisa that we have so many qualified Doctors & Detectives to solve all these crime for us.........

And when Thailand's top DNA expert condemns certain crime scene investigators, the people who should know better, start trying to discredit her by saying she didn't know how much a kilo of chicken costs.

I do wonder why some people find it so hard to believe.

Edited January 26, 2015 by berybert

[thailandchilli]

Autopsy detects no sign of an attack on British Koh Tao backpacker--OP

Autopsy's

You really don't think that some of the loons on TV will take that as proof do you---

---not when they have serial killers & conspiracy theories to hold onto.

We are just so lucky on ThaiVisa that we have so many over qualified

Doctors & Detectives to solve all these crimes for us...........

.

Any progress on the reported sighting of Lord Lucan...................

Takes all sorts I suppose, I wonder who are the loons though?

There are those that keep an open mind and those that believe everything put in front of them despite the fact that this is just the preliminary report, not completed yet as waiting for the toxicology results. Despite the fact that RTP investigations tend to be lets say a little lacking in Koh Tao and despite the fact that if you are British then the real test is the inquest that will be held where the officially UK recognized reason for death will be announced.

[digbat]

There are those that keep an open mind and those that believe everything put in front of them---thailandchilli

& Please don't forget-those that would grasp onto any Straw (or way out theory ) if it will fit into what they want the facts to be.--& we do have a few of the latter on TV.

Edited January 26, 2015 by digbat

[thailandchilli]

There are those that keep an open mind and those that believe everything put in front of them---thailandchilli

& Please don't forget-those that would grasp onto any Straw (or way out theory ) if it will fit into what they want the facts to be.--& we do have a few of the latter on TV.

Yes we do digbat, and they have a right to express themselves as much as you

[oxo1947]

Takes all sorts I suppose, I wonder who are the loons though?

There are those that keep an open mind and those that believe everything put in front of them despite the fact that this is just the preliminary report, not completed yet as waiting for the toxicology results. Despite the fact that RTP investigations tend to be lets say a little lacking in Koh Tao and despite the fact that if you are British then the real test is the inquest that will be held where the officially UK recognized reason for death will be announced.

You are Joking with us, thailandchilli. The people that have been screaming serial killer, "This is Death Island..etc

2 minutes after her death, these are the open minded people....

[thailandchilli]

Takes all sorts I suppose, I wonder who are the loons though?

There are those that keep an open mind and those that believe everything put in front of them despite the fact that this is just the preliminary report, not completed yet as waiting for the toxicology results. Despite the fact that RTP investigations tend to be lets say a little lacking in Koh Tao and despite the fact that if you are British then the real test is the inquest that will be held where the officially UK recognized reason for death will be announced.

You are Joking with us, thailandchilli. The people that have been screaming serial killer, "This is Death Island..etc

2 minutes after her death, these are the open minded people....

Can you remind me who are those people that were screaming serial killer?? Are you referring to me?

[digbat]

There are those that keep an open mind and those that believe everything put in front of them---thailandchilli

& Please don't forget-those that would grasp onto any Straw (or way out theory ) if it will fit into what they want the facts to be.--& we do have a few of the latter on TV.

Yes we do digbat, and they have a right to express themselves as much as you

I can not see anyone on here questioning their right to post or express their views Thailandchilli--- Can you ??

[oxo1947]

Takes all sorts I suppose, I wonder who are the loons though?

There are those that keep an open mind and those that believe everything put in front of them despite the fact that this is just the preliminary report, not completed yet as waiting for the toxicology results. Despite the fact that RTP investigations tend to be lets say a little lacking in Koh Tao and despite the fact that if you are British then the real test is the inquest that will be held where the officially UK recognized reason for death will be announced.

You are Joking with us, thailandchilli. The people that have been screaming serial killer, "This is Death Island..etc

2 minutes after her death, these are the open minded people....

Can you remind me who are those people that were screaming serial killer?? Are you referring to me?

I haven't bothered to go back & read all your posts thailandchilli--however I am sure you are aware of the Aphorism --"If the hat fits"

[thailandchilli]

There are those that keep an open mind and those that believe everything put in front of them---thailandchilli

& Please don't forget-those that would grasp onto any Straw (or way out theory ) if it will fit into what they want the facts to be.--& we do have a few of the latter on TV.

Yes we do digbat, and they have a right to express themselves as much as you

I can not see anyone on here questioning their right to post or express their views Thailandchilli--- Can you ??

Not is so many words but I have seen childish attempts to ridicule, name calling such as moronic the list goes on.

But may be I left out an important category thinking about it.

Those that believe anything put in front of them by the RTP and will defend that stance to the very end and attempt to belittle any questions against it.

Those that keep an open mind throughout and are open to any other evidence that may come along or not as the case may be

Those that are completely way out in their theories and missed the plot completely.

For instance I would not call the german girl who was at the same bungalow and has now posted twice expressing her concerns crazy, thats not to say I believe her but I think when a death occurs then at least her claims should be investigated.

[thailandchilli]

Takes all sorts I suppose, I wonder who are the loons though?

There are those that keep an open mind and those that believe everything put in front of them despite the fact that this is just the preliminary report, not completed yet as waiting for the toxicology results. Despite the fact that RTP investigations tend to be lets say a little lacking in Koh Tao and despite the fact that if you are British then the real test is the inquest that will be held where the officially UK recognized reason for death will be announced.

You are Joking with us, thailandchilli. The people that have been screaming serial killer, "This is Death Island..etc

2 minutes after her death, these are the open minded people....

Can you remind me who are those people that were screaming serial killer?? Are you referring to me?

I haven't bothered to go back & read all your posts thailandchilli--however I am sure you are aware of the Aphorism --"If the hat fits"

Well I suggest you do because on this death I personally feel it is an accidental drug overdose, perhaps you can find that post or not up to you. Again I'm keeping an open mind.

Easy to make accusations and not be bothered to back them up

[blundaman]

Death Island…more like Death Country.

I for one embrace the TVP glitterati but we really need a Drama Diva forum page for quack access

[geisha]

I think the message going out here is, don't drink too much, stay off the buckets of cheap alcohol, don't take drugs or medics like Valium, don't stay out late at night, always stay with a crowd of friends. It's dangerous country, and the kids don't know it.

[timewilltell]

If you accept the premise that Thais will go to some length to protect their image and also that hotel owners may be economical with the truth when excusing events leading up to and after a death on their premises then you should also be suspicious of immediate reports of no foul play. I have no idea what happened but have in mind the suicide of the French guy who had his arms roped to his body as well as his hands tied which was immediately reported as a suicide as well as a guy lying on abed in Phuket with his face lacerated and his throat cut with a bucket of blood at one end of the bed and his body at another - according to Thai police another suicide.

The fact is that murders of foreigners are being hidden with the intent to deceive people as to the safety of Thailand. If is pretty safe generally but nowhere near as safe as portrayed by the authorities. With this background people are quite within their rights to be somewhat more suspicious of surprising deaths reported assuicide by Thai police as opposed to say British police. The former have zero credibility and the latter have a good deal - with good reason.

[oxo1947]

Well I suggest you do because on this death I personally feel it is an accidental drug overdose, perhaps you can find that post or not up to you. Again I'm keeping an open mind.

Easy to make accusations and not be bothered to back them up

Yes we have found common ground in which we both agree-- so if you have any of those accusations from me Thailanchilli. Just highlight them & post so all can see. If not.. just carry on as you are

[thailandchilli]

Well I suggest you do because on this death I personally feel it is an accidental drug overdose, perhaps you can find that post or not up to you. Again I'm keeping an open mind.

Easy to make accusations and not be bothered to back them up

Yes we have found common ground in which we both agree-- so if you have any of those accusations from me Thailanchilli. Just highlight them & post so all can see. If not.. just carry on as you are

Common ground in what? You implied I was saying there's a serial killer to blame, make an accusation then prove it or not up to you if you'd like to remain credible

[oxo1947]

You implied I was saying there's a serial killer to blame--ThailandChilli

Oh Dear

its been a long night TC, & I have to go to work & try to teach very young Thai Children about Logic.

So you have the forum-along with all those people that you feel are accusing you.

Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[thailandchilli]

You implied I was saying there's a serial killer to blame--ThailandChilli

Oh Dear

its been a long night TC, & I have to go to work & try to teach very young Thai Children about Logic.

So you have the forum-along with all those people that you feel are accusing you.

Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Oh dear, do teachers also make statements to the children they are teaching with no substance to them?? Do they also have to insert 3 childish graphics to make their statement seem more plausible, have a good day

Edited January 26, 2015 by thailandchilli

[thailandchilli]

You implied I was saying there's a serial killer to blame--ThailandChilli

Oh Dear

its been a long night TC, & I have to go to work & try to teach very young Thai Children about Logic.

So you have the forum-along with all those people that you feel are accusing you.

Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Oh dear, do teachers also make statements to the children they are teaching with no substance to them?? Do they also have to insert a childish graphic to make their statement seem more plausible, have a good day

Really -is that the best you can do thailandchilli.

What more would you like sanuk711? Seeing as you've headed into the converstion

[sanuk711]

Nothing thailandchilli--I have even removed the comment I had made.

Have a good day.

[hobz]

I think open minded in this case means we dont even know the cause of death but we do know alcohol and medicine was used together for sure.

[Sviss Geez]

This girl's mother must have been aware when her daughter visited Koh Tao of the murders of Hannah and David. Unless her daughter already had a life threatening illness, she must be very naive to allow an autopsy to be carried out in Thailand. The girl was found dead on 21st January - 5 days ago so it surely wouldn't have been that difficult to have the body bought back to the UK in that time for an autopsy to be carried out. It doesn't take a genius to understand that 'No sign of attack' does not necessarily mean she died of natural causes or of a drug overdose. And 'No semen' doesn't rule out foul play. There's an interesting point raised on FB about the doors of the rooms in the In Touch where she was staying not being able to be opened from the outside with a key when they are locked from inside.

Please ... as if the family has the right to tell a foreign country whether or not to investigate (autopsy) if a crime (murder) occurred in their own country. What a bunch of disrespectful nonsense making such ignorant speculation of this poor women who just lost a daughter when you cannot even use common sense about laws. All this further compounded with the spreading of another very a moronic Facebook comment suggesting a hotel door cannot being opened by staff, as this one was, if locked from the inside.

A young girl dies who was taking medication including pain killers and benzos while drinking as well as buying an expensive antibiotics in the days before dying. All indications from the witneses, the scene and medical examinations to date indicate no foul play and the mother has stated very early on her daughter died of natural causes. While it would seem her use of the word "natural causes" may not be the medical definition, it seems very clear what she meant.

There is absolutely zero reason, outside of far fetched theories, to suggest foul play and MANY factual reasons to point to there being no foul play. For God's sake let them conclude with the medical results and show the mother just a basic bit of respect and privacy at least until she gets her daughter back and cared for. While you and others want to play social media detectives for your own thrills, this women lost a daughter whom she knew and loved and this kind of wild idiotic unfounded rumor spreading serves absolutely no purpose except to satisfy some self feelings of inadequacy .... this women is no difference than the family of the actual Koh Tao murder victims who made clear such nonsense internet posting was hurtful to them. A big difference however here is there is no murder investigation ad a murder has not even been confirmed and there isn't anything to indicate any foul play ... except for what the morons on Facebook will come up with as the continue to feed each other to be convinced this was a murder.

While you may actually think people are stupid, there is nobody who can read the OP who isn't aware that lack of semen and lack of there being any sign of attack doesn't prove there was not foul play but rather just makes it less likely especially combined with other facts we know such as the medication, her door being locked from the inside and her valuables not missing. So, why mention this unless trying to promote it? And why mention overdose or natural cause when the report doesn;t suggest or mention either unless you are trying to create a subtle false argument that these are the only other two alternatives just as you try to state the mother is either "very naive" or the daughter had a a life threatening illness before she traveled. Really, while either might be truer is this the only two options?

This is just a bunch of nonsense with the clear design to manipulate other emotionally driven non-critical thinking people to get on another conspiracy band wagon. There is a whole world that exists outside the one of fantasy detectives land on social media that is filled with actual facts and logic and plausible theories that you don't need to lower your IQ to be part of.

Unless foul play is proven or even realistically suspected to be involved, none of us have any right to know the details of this girls life and death and this is the way it should be. Bullying and hindering authorities with nonsense theories and lies spread on the internet to release information that will be selectively believed and the rest used to fuel the needs of Social Media Detectives is a disgusting game to play when real people whose lives have already turned upside down are involved.

Absolutely right.

"This is just a bunch of nonsense with the clear design to manipulate other emotionally driven non-critical thinking people to get on another conspiracy band wagon."

Isn't that ThaiVisa's definition of trolling, which contravenes the forum regulations? Perhaps the mods should be reading this thread.

[stephen terry]

This girl's mother must have been aware when her daughter visited Koh Tao of the murders of Hannah and David. Unless her daughter already had a life threatening illness, she must be very naive to allow an autopsy to be carried out in Thailand. The girl was found dead on 21st January - 5 days ago so it surely wouldn't have been that difficult to have the body bought back to the UK in that time for an autopsy to be carried out. It doesn't take a genius to understand that 'No sign of attack' does not necessarily mean she died of natural causes or of a drug overdose. And 'No semen' doesn't rule out foul play. There's an interesting point raised on FB about the doors of the rooms in the In Touch where she was staying not being able to be opened from the outside with a key when they are locked from inside.

Please ... as if the family has the right to tell a foreign country whether or not to investigate (autopsy) if a crime (murder) occurred in their own country. What a bunch of disrespectful nonsense making such ignorant speculation of this poor women who just lost a daughter when you cannot even use common sense about laws. All this further compounded with the spreading of another very a moronic Facebook comment suggesting a hotel door cannot being opened by staff, as this one was, if locked from the inside.

A young girl dies who was taking medication including pain killers and benzos while drinking as well as buying an expensive antibiotics in the days before dying. All indications from the witneses, the scene and medical examinations to date indicate no foul play and the mother has stated very early on her daughter died of natural causes. While it would seem her use of the word "natural causes" may not be the medical definition, it seems very clear what she meant.

There is absolutely zero reason, outside of far fetched theories, to suggest foul play and MANY factual reasons to point to there being no foul play. For God's sake let them conclude with the medical results and show the mother just a basic bit of respect and privacy at least until she gets her daughter back and cared for. While you and others want to play social media detectives for your own thrills, this women lost a daughter whom she knew and loved and this kind of wild idiotic unfounded rumor spreading serves absolutely no purpose except to satisfy some self feelings of inadequacy .... this women is no difference than the family of the actual Koh Tao murder victims who made clear such nonsense internet posting was hurtful to them. A big difference however here is there is no murder investigation ad a murder has not even been confirmed and there isn't anything to indicate any foul play ... except for what the morons on Facebook will come up with as the continue to feed each other to be convinced this was a murder.

While you may actually think people are stupid, there is nobody who can read the OP who isn't aware that lack of semen and lack of there being any sign of attack doesn't prove there was not foul play but rather just makes it less likely especially combined with other facts we know such as the medication, her door being locked from the inside and her valuables not missing. So, why mention this unless trying to promote it? And why mention overdose or natural cause when the report doesn;t suggest or mention either unless you are trying to create a subtle false argument that these are the only other two alternatives just as you try to state the mother is either "very naive" or the daughter had a a life threatening illness before she traveled. Really, while either might be truer is this the only two options?

This is just a bunch of nonsense with the clear design to manipulate other emotionally driven non-critical thinking people to get on another conspiracy band wagon. There is a whole world that exists outside the one of fantasy detectives land on social media that is filled with actual facts and logic and plausible theories that you don't need to lower your IQ to be part of.

Unless foul play is proven or even realistically suspected to be involved, none of us have any right to know the details of this girls life and death and this is the way it should be. Bullying and hindering authorities with nonsense theories and lies spread on the internet to release information that will be selectively believed and the rest used to fuel the needs of Social Media Detectives is a disgusting game to play when real people whose lives have already turned upside down are involved.

I would support your view, JTJ. There is a greater probability of accidental/misadventure death than that of foul play. I only wish you could take your well thought out response to demonstrate in a similar fashion that the Burmese 2 are scapegoats.

[Nemesis7]

Personally I wont belive their results. I would and could accept if the earlier murder wasn't manipulated at koh tao