Credo Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 I think the responsibility for getting her back should fall squarely on her shoulders. She embarked on a mis-adventure that was harmful not just to her, but to her own country. Such near-treasonous behavior should not be enabled. It's probably better for everyone if she returns and faces a court concerning both her words of support for terrorism and her actions. She should be silenced by the court as a part of her rehabilitation. It's best that she not become a pseudo-spokesperson or recruiter for militant religious causes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldgit Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Off topic posts removed, there are plenty of other topics regarding Brexit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Grouse Posted February 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2019 Frankly, I would cancel her British citizenship. Change the law if necessary. At the very least it will serve as a lesson to others. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dick dasterdly Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Grouse said: Frankly, I would cancel her British citizenship. Change the law if necessary. At the very least it will serve as a lesson to others. Depends on whether or not she was born in the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldgit Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Grouse said: Frankly, I would cancel her British citizenship. Change the law if necessary. At the very least it will serve as a lesson to others. You'd need to change International Law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagateddy Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 I think when D Cameron was PM..he made a few UK citizens ststeless by cancelling their passports..one was a female from Glasgow, my home city. Depends on whether or not she was born in the UK?Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 59 minutes ago, malagateddy said: I think when D Cameron was PM..he made a few UK citizens ststeless by cancelling their passports..one was a female from Glasgow, my home city. Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Yes, you claimed that earlier as well. Have any links for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagateddy Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 No..but my memory is ok.The Glasgow girl went to s fee-paying school, and 3 males..one was very baby faced.He was fron Wales I think.Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prissana Pescud Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 This silly teen said she had no regrets. She lives in a refugee camp, no doubt with other ISIS losers. If she said she had regrets, those losers would kill her. Can anyone else see that. She cannot talk publicly now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Prissana Pescud said: This silly teen said she had no regrets. She lives in a refugee camp, no doubt with other ISIS losers. If she said she had regrets, those losers would kill her. Can anyone else see that. She cannot talk publicly now. That's a plus... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophers200 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Prissana Pescud said: This silly teen said she had no regrets. She lives in a refugee camp, no doubt with other ISIS losers. If she said she had regrets, those losers would kill her. Can anyone else see that. She cannot talk publicly now. A Snowflake PC response which goes a long way in explaining why there are so many jihadists under active surveillance in the UK - These criminals should either be locked up or deported. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, theoldgit said: You'd need to change International Law. Although it’s possible to lose your citizenship if you’re a British national by birth, it’s unusual, and usually only happens if someone is considered a threat to national security. The Home Secretary can choose to remove citizenship in this case https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/shamima-begum-latest-isis-bride-could-have-british-citizenship-revoked-as-home-secretary-vows-to-a4067586.html This piece references the 2015 act which specifically enables revocation of single citizenship. http://cmsny.org/publications/unmaking-citizens/ read the UK section I also want know why she was allowed to travel as an unaccompanied minor. Was the usual airline documentation in place Border Force are hopeless. How was an unaccompanied minor allowed to leave. Why don't we check people leaving? I note Begum is not a proper surname. It is a female honorific like "lady" No more from me on this thread Edited February 17, 2019 by Grouse FACTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Grouse said: Although it’s possible to lose your citizenship if you’re a British national by birth, it’s unusual, and usually only happens if someone is considered a threat to national security. The Home Secretary can choose to remove citizenship in this case https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/shamima-begum-latest-isis-bride-could-have-british-citizenship-revoked-as-home-secretary-vows-to-a4067586.html I also want know why she was allowed to travel as an unaccompanied minor. Was the usual airline documentation in place Border Force are hopeless. How was an unaccompanied minor allowed to leave. Why don't we check people leaving? I note Begum is not a proper surname. It is a female honorific like "lady" No more from me on this thread Good question, how was she allowed to travel independently? Revoking citizenship thereby leaving someone stateless is afaik against international law. Edited February 17, 2019 by stevenl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, stevenl said: Good question, how was she allowed to travel independently? Revoking citizenship thereby leaving someone stateless is afaik against international law. Read my updated piece above Revocation ofsingle state citizenship is indeed possible. See the 2015 act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Grouse said: Read my updated piece above Revocation ofsingle state citizenship is indeed possible. See the 2015 act. Still against international law, so ultimately unlikely to happen. Also according to your updated piece. Edited February 17, 2019 by stevenl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 47 minutes ago, stevenl said: Still against international law, so ultimately unlikely to happen. Also according to your updated piece. Not according to the UK section of the piece. The act quoted has already been used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas J Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 This certainly applies to the U.K. police if they don't believe that these women were radicalized. The left Britain voluntarily to join a terrorist organization. The accomplice either before or after a crime is held to be just as guilty as those who actually performed a crime. These women were accomplices to whatever acts of terror the groups that they joined perpetrated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Prissana Pescud said: This silly teen said she had no regrets. She lives in a refugee camp, no doubt with other ISIS losers. If she said she had regrets, those losers would kill her. Can anyone else see that. She cannot talk publicly now. This interview caught my attention yesterday.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Thomas J said: This certainly applies to the U.K. police if they don't believe that these women were radicalized. The left Britain voluntarily to join a terrorist organization. The accomplice either before or after a crime is held to be just as guilty as those who actually performed a crime. These women were accomplices to whatever acts of terror the groups that they joined perpetrated. “These women were accomplices to whatever acts of terror the groups that they joined perpetrated.“ You may be right, but the assignment of guilt is a matter for a court of law. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleopatra2 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Grouse said: Not according to the UK section of the piece. The act quoted has already been used. Assuming she is fully British and without dual nationality, the immigration act gives her the right of abode. The Nationality Act limits the Home Secretary powers to remove citizenship where to do so would render the person stateless. On a Humans right issue, whilst she may be guilty of crimes , her child is certainly not. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDeadSenter Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said: On a Humans right issue, whilst she may be guilty of crimes , her child is certainly not. Unfortunately her child was born in Syria, so is not a British citizen. I believe that was the mad rush for her to give birth on British soil. Bad luck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said: Unfortunately her child was born in Syria, so is not a British citizen. I believe that was the mad rush for her to give birth on British soil. Bad luck. What makes you think that this is British law? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nationality_law#British_citizenship_by_descent 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cleopatra2 Posted February 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said: Unfortunately her child was born in Syria, so is not a British citizen. I believe that was the mad rush for her to give birth on British soil. Bad luck. Assuming the mother is fully British, (not by descent) , the child is British. Nationality act 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfieconn Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 (edited) On 2/16/2019 at 12:50 PM, dick dasterdly said: Possibly parts of Luton, or parts of East London? I don't generally support ivor bigun's racist posts, but he's right in this case. Mind you, the yobs in some nearby areas were just as bad ☹️. Do you really think that Luton and parts of East London are the only places in the UK with a large Muslim population ? There are almost no white residents to be found in Savile Town, Yorkshire Last census found only 48 of 4,033 people living there were white British Even lady selling ice cream from a van during the summer wears a burka Edited February 17, 2019 by alfieconn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJAS Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said: Assuming she is fully British and without dual nationality, the immigration act gives her the right of abode. The Nationality Act limits the Home Secretary powers to remove citizenship where to do so would render the person stateless. According to this Telegraph article her family are of Bangladeshi origin:- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/16/let-us-raise-daughters-baby-say-family-bethnal-green-jihadi/ So, if she were automatically eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship by virtue of her ancestry, there would appear to be no bar to her British citizenship being revoked. That said, the crucial word is, of course "automatically". If the powers-that-be in Bangladesh had any discretion in the matter of granting her citizenship, it would strike me as highly unlikely that they would view any such grant of citizenship favourably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleopatra2 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, OJAS said: According to this Telegraph article her family are of Bangladeshi origin:- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/16/let-us-raise-daughters-baby-say-family-bethnal-green-jihadi/ So, if she were automatically eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship by virtue of her ancestry, there would appear to be no bar to her British citizenship being revoked. That said, the crucial word is, of course "automatically". If the powers-that-be in Bangladesh had any discretion in the matter of granting her citizenship, it would strike me as highly unlikely that they would view any such grant of citizenship favourably. Eligibility to another citizenship only applies to naturalised British citizens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 32 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said: Eligibility to another citizenship only applies to naturalised British citizens. You are hopelessly wrong on that. Makes me wonder really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleopatra2 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: You are hopelessly wrong on that. Makes me wonder really. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1981/61/section/40 see section (4A) It was for this reason why TEO were introduced 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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