Thai Airlines Face Bans Over Possible Safety Issues

[Jacob Maslow]

Airlines in Thailand are facing bans on international flights over possible safety concerns. The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) found significant concerns with the country’s aviation safety, according to officials.

As a result of the organization’s findings, Thailand has been designated a “significant safety concern,” although no official announcement has been made by the group. Governments were informed last week of the issue.

Japan has already taken measures by blocking flights from Thailand. The country’s Civil Aviation Bureau informed Thailand that it would not allow new charter flights through email. A spokesman for the bureau stated that the temporary measure was put in place by the bureau over concerns that the airlines may not meet international safety standards. South Korea is considering a similar measure. A transportation official from the company stated that new flights are

unlikely to be approved. Existing flights will not be affected.

Airlines that are forced to cancel flights include NokScoot, Thai AirAsia X, Asia Atlantic Airline and Thai Airways. NokScoot had planned to start a new flight to Seoul’s Incheon airport in May, but it is unlikely that South Korea will approve the flight.

Disruptions to flights come just ahead of Songkran, a heavy travel season. Typically, airlines boost the number of flights during this time period.

Thailand is a top tourist destination, and the country’s economy relies heavily on tourism, which employs millions of people.

A Thai Airways spokesperson stated that the airline would have to cancel approximately five flights. The airline, along with other Thai carriers, will also face an increase in inspections by regulators.

ICAO audited Thailand back in January for the first time in a decade. The audit assesses the country’s ability to ensure aviation safety, including licensing and training, accident investigation and air worthiness. According to the Thai ministry’s statement, solutions to fix the problems found during the inspections will be implemented as soon as possible.

-- 2015-03-28

[trogers]

Aren't these four airlines operating from Don Muang?

Seems the safety standard issues may not be about the airlines but about the airport they operate from.

[apetley]

What airlines do the planes in that pic fly for?

[Sandman77]

This I allready report 2 days ago in another topic!

What I read is , that one of the possible ban of Thai air flights is that stuff did not learn any saefty rules what you have to do in case of emergency, and the controll organizations also found out , that some certificates of crew members are faked!

Proberbly the also ban Thai , is that the always serve me cold menus during the last 2 flights!

When I want change, I got ignored , with a smiling yes sir we change ,

but the promised hot warm up menu never come !

Copyright by sandman77

[hughben]

What airlines do the planes in that pic fly for?

Royal Thai airlines. They are not civilian planes. Strange choice to include it in this topic.

[kotsak]

Do they serve refreshments onboard those planes in the picture?

[Somtamnication]

Well, the zombies are finally reaching the top of the earth mound. The world is waking up!

[Just1Voice]

Improper safety training? Improper safety maintenance? Fake certificates?

Oh, Joe, say it ain't so?

According to one report, the mentioned airlines could only pass 21 of the 100 required safety measures of ICAO. That's a very frightening thought.

Seems like people outside of Thailand don't buy the mai pen rai of Thai superiority, and actually mean business when it comes to safety.

[Lite Beer]

Nok Scoot assures there are flights to Japan for its group tourists

BANGKOK: -- Nok Scoot chartered airline has announced that it has sought cooperation from its ally to arrange for flights to Japan for tourists in Thailand during March 29-31 following Japan’s ban of chartered flights from Thailand.

The announcement which was posted on the company’s Facebook page said that there would still be flights to Japan and the schedules remain unchanged although passengers would have to fly Scoot airline instead of Nok Scoot, the chartered flight operator.

For instances, the flight from Don Meuang to Narita today already left at 12.35 am this morning.

However, the announcement said that the Bangkok-Kansai flight for March 30 was cancelled.

Chartered flights from Thailand to Japan have been banned by Japan after the International Civil Aviation Organisation rated the Thai Civil Aviation Department’s performance in aviation supervision below par.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/nok-scoot-assures-there-are-flights-to-japan-for-its-group-tourists

-- Thai PBS 2015-03-29

[djjamie]

Ok I will bite.

What are the safety issues?

[JOC]

Ok I will bite.

What are the safety issues?

Take your pick: Thaksin or Islam.....................

[geriatrickid]

Ok I will bite.

What are the safety issues?

The topic was discussed in full detail some weeks back when the initial ICAO report and its implications were discussed. Everything is deemed in need of a major overhaul. Thailand is on the same footing as a developing country in deepest Africa.

Thailand was supposed to have delivered its response several weeks ago. I do not know if that happened, or if the response was deemed unsatisfactory. However, what is known is that the official ICAO report will be released in May. The ramifications are significant in that all or some Thai flagged airlines may be prevented from landing in the EU or the sole TG North American airport of LAX. Considering the haste of Japan and now South Korea, it could be a total ban for Thai flagged airlines to fly there. The delay is a way of giving the alliance/partner airlines an opportunity to have contingency plans in place. Scoot may substitute for Nok Scoot, Air Asia mainline may substitute for Thai Air Asia etc. It will be a massive mess once this report is issued.

Of greater concern is the potential ban of entering the airspace of the concerned nations.

Interesting enough, some countries without an emphasis on air safety such as China and India have said nothing.

[BSJ]

So the the pix of the F-16 and Hercules on the tarmac is pointing to the RTAF lending aircraft to civilian airlines to keep em in the air. If your lucky enough to score a seat (deck chair!) in a Herc due to lack of inflight service you will need to take a bottle of water with you and a bag of sandwiches. After your finished the water hang on to the bottle cos you will need to pee later and hang on to the sandwich bag.......just in case you need to vomit!

[Rimmer]

An off topic post all in caps has been removed, please do not shout on the forum, thank you

[monkey4u]

What airlines do the planes in that pic fly for?

Royal Thai Airforce

Not so easy to book a flight with

[thhMan]

This is fantastic news....

Thailand needs a good spanking, so they begin to understand reality.

Its time to get out of the dark ages and replace witch doctors with qualified people

[JAG]

This I allready report 2 days ago in another topic!

What I read is , that one of the possible ban of Thai air flights is that stuff did not learn any saefty rules what you have to do in case of emergency, and the controll organizations also found out , that some certificates of crew members are faked!

Proberbly the also ban Thai , is that the always serve me cold menus during the last 2 flights!

When I want change, I got ignored , with a smiling yes sir we change ,

but the promised hot warm up menu never come !

Copyright by sandman77

I doubt you need to worry about copyright. No one can understand what you're on about!

Edited March 29, 2015 by JAG

[JAG]

What airlines do the planes in that pic fly for?

Royal Thai Airforce

Not so easy to book a flight with

Website's down!

[than]

Very amazing, Thai carriers have got low record of accident compare with western carriers... the last accident today Air Canada A320 crash during landing at Halifax airport !

ICAO is dominate by western government, it always refer to FAA or EASA regulation....

Currently, western carriers try to push their government to be more protectionism in aviation the last example the charge of these airlines against Gulf carriers.....

perhaps its a new move of these government to limit Asian airlines in their sky and promote their national carriers or force Thailand to accept an opensky agreement who put Thai carriers in difficulties.....

[deckape]

Not sure if I'm actually allowed to do this, but there is a lot more info in this here article.

https://www.google.co.th/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.thaivisa.com%2Fthaivisa-news%2Fthai-airlines-face-bans-over-possible-safety-issues%2F43965%2F&ei=B7gXVZbPKc6quQTLlIDQDg&usg=AFQjCNHhWcGSnzvLfRZmIOMk3MwB88PBlg&sig2=TEmp6hZJXgCuKwt4iLfSUg&bvm=bv.89381419,d.c2E

[SOTIRIOS]

...putting things into perspective.....

..as a foreigner immersed in a nation of 60+ million...hard to 'know which way is up' sometimes....

...no reference points....

...as someone I know kept telling me, "I hate logic.....I hate genius".....

...strive for betterment.....and you are an undesireable....

[than]

Not sure if I'm actually allowed to do this, but there is a lot more info in this here article.

https://www.google.co.th/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.thaivisa.com%2Fthaivisa-news%2Fthai-airlines-face-bans-over-possible-safety-issues%2F43965%2F&ei=B7gXVZbPKc6quQTLlIDQDg&usg=AFQjCNHhWcGSnzvLfRZmIOMk3MwB88PBlg&sig2=TEmp6hZJXgCuKwt4iLfSUg&bvm=bv.89381419,d.c2E

it the same article who introduce this topic... read the first article of this topic.....

[Pii Kate]

Last July I flew from Chiang Mai to Kuala Lampor (sp?) on Air Asia. I sat next to a fellow who was the engineer/tech who services the plane. He said Air Asia from Malaysia would not allow Thai techs to service their planes,,,so he travels with his plane. His bosses thought this was the best way to ensure safety and service. I guess the world agrees now.

[Pii Kate]

This I allready report 2 days ago in another topic!

What I read is , that one of the possible ban of Thai air flights is that stuff did not learn any saefty rules what you have to do in case of emergency, and the controll organizations also found out , that some certificates of crew members are faked!

Proberbly the also ban Thai , is that the always serve me cold menus during the last 2 flights!

When I want change, I got ignored , with a smiling yes sir we change ,

but the promised hot warm up menu never come !

Copyright by sandman77

I doubt you need to worry about copyright. No one can understand what you're on about!

Consider the writer as an English is a second language and give him a break.

[Trentham]

Stop panicking everybody. All those spirits at Suvarnabhumi will take care of us.

Mind you, if they build the new terminal they will have to build more condos for all the extra ghosts.

[taony]

Last July I flew from Chiang Mai to Kuala Lampor (sp?) on Air Asia. I sat next to a fellow who was the engineer/tech who services the plane. He said Air Asia from Malaysia would not allow Thai techs to service their planes,,,so he travels with his plane. His bosses thought this was the best way to ensure safety and service. I guess the world agrees now.

Jesus Christ!

But completely believable!

[Artisi]

" .....................solutions to fix the problems found during the inspections will be implemented as soon as possible."

Seems it might be a good idea to fix the "problems" well ahead of them being found as a problem during inspection.

Although I guess it's pretty typical of anything in Thailand that can break / fail - fix it after the failure, don't waste your time before because nothing is wrong.

[MZurf]

This I allready report 2 days ago in another topic!

What I read is , that one of the possible ban of Thai air flights is that stuff did not learn any saefty rules what you have to do in case of emergency, and the controll organizations also found out , that some certificates of crew members are faked!

Proberbly the also ban Thai , is that the always serve me cold menus during the last 2 flights!

When I want change, I got ignored , with a smiling yes sir we change ,

but the promised hot warm up menu never come !

Copyright by sandman77

I doubt you need to worry about copyright. No one can understand what you're on about!

Consider the writer as an English is a second language and give him a break.

Either that or he has access to some really good shit!?

[Songhua]

Do they serve refreshments onboard those planes in the picture?

No. But you do get a mask and a bag.

[MaxLee]

In your FACE!!!!!!!/..... The world is watching and you can't save face any longer, welcome to the 21st century